What is considered acceptable DPS for each class?
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✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »Remember on longer bosses it may be lower, or sometimes the same, it depends on a few things. Like I said its hard to fully get a good idea of what DPS even is.
As a NB if you do it right you can hit 1k+ easy consistent on AA and VET DSA bosses and 2k + like I am doing on smaller mobs such as the ones you would find appearing around bosses in DSA VET (SINGLE TARGET ONLY).
I think I will leave this here. You don't know how to read?
1) I literally say this is dps on mobs that have this hp and normally are around bosses in such things as DSA.
2) I say there are lots of things that change this. Evil hunter might not be useful, pots, ultis, team members, stealth, is it mid fight, are you opening thus the stealth combo. So that's another point you obviously didn't read.
You are either dumb and cant read or jealous. Every single thing you accuse me of I had pointed out in the original post I did.
Jump to conclusions and YOU will be laughed at.
Question for you: Are you so bad you CANT do 1k+ consistent on a trial boss or 2k+ consistent on a mini boss?
l2p and l2r
The problem is not that you picked a 9k boss vulnerable to evil hunter and try to brag about [snip]tty 2k dps (actually it is part of it but still), it's that you expect us to believe it's sustainable in any boss, anywhere and that you actually think people are jealous of your video when they are actually laughing.
You wont be able to stealth attack all the bosses in DSA that are mostly not vulnerable to EH, Reaper's mark will make you also take more damage in which makes it quite dangerous and you can only apply it to one of the adds and at last, initial DPS, even if you can sustain your rotation, always lowers over time until it stabilizes which only happens after ~14s which is why a 4s fight means N O T H I N G and shouldn't have even been posted to begin with (except you wanted to "brag" I suppose).
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Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭On mini bosses if you dont do around 1.5-2k dps (dependent on situation) then you are dead weight. The small bosses that have around 17-25k hp. Like I said in my original post.
I suspect you are more angry that you yourself cant sustain a fight properly.
It is not my fault you cant read, It is not my fault you cant pull 1.5-2k on a mini boss, It is not my fault you cant do 1k+ on a final boss.
Either learn to read or get better and understand that your limitations is not the limitations of everyone.
There is no brag, you took it as a brag, which implies you cant do better thus "must not be possible herp derp". The stupid thing is you are saying things that I already addressed, I already said its based on situation.
So that also implies you are either stupid or jealous.Edited by Hortator Mopa on November 10, 2014 3:57PM9 -
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Lol just stop posting so you don't continue to sound like a fool.Hortator Mopa wrote: »On mini bosses if you dont do around 1.5-2k dps (dependent on situation) then you are dead weight. The small bosses that have around 17-25k hp. Like I said in my original post.
I suspect you are more angry that you yourself cant sustain a fight properly.
It is not my fault you cant read, It is not my fault you cant pull 1.5-2k on a mini boss, It is not my fault you cant do 1k+ on a final boss.
Either learn to read or get better and understand that your limitations is not the limitations of everyone.
There is no brag, you took it as a brag, which implies you cant do better thus "must not be possible herp derp". The stupid thing is you are saying things that I already addressed, I already said its based on situation.
So that also implies you are either stupid or jealous.
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Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Lol just stop posting so you don't continue to sound like a fool.
Learn to play. All the people thinking 1.5k sustained on final bosses and 2k sustained on mini bosses is impossible are either bad at the game, trolling or dumb.
In the end I will continue to get better and sustain a top tier dps while you sit back with your average 1k single target dps, on the forums trying to bring others down because your lack skill.
Its so potato that you will be responded to with nothing but a l2p because you obviously have no idea how to play the game at a top level.Edited by Hortator Mopa on November 10, 2014 4:15PM11 -
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✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »On mini bosses if you dont do around 1.5-2k dps (dependent on situation) then you are dead weight. The small bosses that have around 17-25k hp. Like I said in my original post.
I suspect you are more angry that you yourself cant sustain a fight properly.
It is not my fault you cant read, It is not my fault you cant pull 1.5-2k on a mini boss, It is not my fault you cant do 1k+ on a final boss.
Either learn to read or get better and understand that your limitations is not the limitations of everyone.
There is no brag, you took it as a brag, which implies you cant do better thus "must not be possible herp derp". The stupid thing is you are saying things that I already addressed, I already said its based on situation.
So that also implies you are either stupid or jealous.
I'm pretty sure I can pull more DPS in all instances than you with my DK and I actually have videos in my youtube channel to prove it.
All you have to show for are condescending words and a video that proves you know nothing of sustained DPS
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There's also the fact that OP asked what acceptable DPS is, not TOP 1337 DPS, which once again proves your post are nothing more than a desperate ego troll.Edited by TehMagnus on November 10, 2014 4:22PM9 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭l2p x (any amount you reply) its 11pm and I have work tomorrow so night l33t pro 1ker.7
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✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »Lol just stop posting so you don't continue to sound like a fool.
Learn to play. All the people thinking 1.5k sustained on final bosses and 2k sustained on mini bosses is impossible are either bad at the game, trolling or dumb.
In the end I will continue to get better and sustain a top tier dps while you sit back with your average 1k single target dps, on the forums trying to bring others down because your lack skill.
Its so potato that you will be responded to with nothing but a l2p because you obviously have no idea how to play the game at a top level.
I pull 9999999999999999 dps with 9999999999999999 hps.
There I win end of story. My e peen rains supreme.- Mojican4 -
ThatNeonZebraAgain✭✭✭✭✭as a NB tank (5 heavy 2 light) i can get around 2-2.5k dps in a aoe setting. Imo, if you want to maximize your aoe dps as a templar, maybe have a look at solar barrage? Might be better coz no aiming or something? just a suggestion
How the hell do you do that as a tank?
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »Lol just stop posting so you don't continue to sound like a fool.
Learn to play. All the people thinking 1.5k sustained on final bosses and 2k sustained on mini bosses is impossible are either bad at the game, trolling or dumb.
In the end I will continue to get better and sustain a top tier dps while you sit back with your average 1k single target dps, on the forums trying to bring others down because your lack skill.
Its so potato that you will be responded to with nothing but a l2p because you obviously have no idea how to play the game at a top level.
I pull 9999999999999999 dps with 9999999999999999 hps.
There I win end of story. My e peen rains supreme.
You said so on your post so it must be true. Please post a video where you kill a Crawler for 4k dps so we believe you are l33t.Edited by TehMagnus on November 10, 2014 4:32PM1 -
Pyatra✭✭✭Answer for DPS, same way sorc has to get theirs but with a difference. Weapon Damage Enchantments(Instead of crit surge) and Crushing Shock, partial heavy sloppy weave will net you around 1k+ without Evil Hunter provided you run Magelight and/or sets for spell crit. Snipe Weave until out of Stamina, Shock weave until out of Magicka. Rinse and Repeat. Since you are a Templar you won't be asked to carry a resto just to proc your Ultimate. Seriously any class can do this DPS combo for 1K+.
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elwhy✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »
I'm vr14 NB and new to tanking (still in 5 medium, 2 light), and I've gotten about 1.5k during trash mobs using AoE. It depends on your group and skills, I spam ransack and sap essence, with siphoning strikes left on, on 6-10 person mobs. The 'fights' (if you can call them that) only last a few seconds, and I could tweak my build to get that higher, but I'm pretty sure as a tank it's best to focus on single-target dps and taunts. Although it's fun to see such high numbers as a tank
While not tanking, my sustained (longer than 15 seconds), single player dps hardly gets above 800, but I haven't focused as much on it as I could and I'm in mostly purple but some blue gear. I think as a not hardcore player that's decent, but I know it's not great and I could improve it if I experimented more, read more, and figured out my armor/sets better.
The dps race can get out of control. I agree with the people that said they kill mobs/bosses and if it was fast enough, then their dps is high enough, but I also like to get better and improve my build so I like seeing my dps and comparing it to others. That's what's fun for me, so I do it.1 -
indigoblades✭✭✭This post is kinda long and i am sorry if i jumped on OPs thread but how to measure dps has been bothering me alot.
I HAVENT found a repeatable & accurate way to measure dps. I guess if i got a helper to stop watch monster life and total damage i would know know. Is there a better than the damage meter & summary in FTC for this. Also since i am not VR14 i dont know what i should be able to do.
I am vr8 Sorc in Purple & Gold crafted armor & i dont know if my SUSTAINED SOLO dps is good or bad. At my level id think 500 is bad and 1000 is good. My Dps is between 500 & 1000 with magicka softcaped, 2 or 3 spell damage and 46 crit with mage light on and no pots. I try to use FTC to measure my dps but i think it counts the time wrong (the monster dies MUCH faster than it reports i think, especially if i can start the fight with initial spells that to increase damage on later spells or heal).
With no lucky crits or crit pots, I know i can initially hit for better 3k before the mob reachs me (~2.0 to 4.0 secs). With Mage light on and no crit pots, I start off with crit surge, (optional heal), spell symmetry (10% damage increase next attack) ... switch bars & start a heavy attack. When the heavy fires, then fire a non-proc'd crit frag then ONE light attack weave with either force shock or ring of fire ... at that time the mob is on me .... i can either move or kill it. That usually does about 3k damage if i run away and check my damage in FTC. In my mind the fight should start when the heavy hits the monster, but i think FTC starts the fight secs ago when i healed or did spell symentry .... In my mind that burst dps should be about 1500 since crit frag and the first weave took ~ 2 secs.
That initial burst used little magicka. I can sustain after that weavinig light attacks with force shock........ each cycle doing about 600 to 900 dps & i think i can weave at almost 1 per sec. BUT when i am finished FTC will show WHOLE FIGHT dps at 400 to 500 unless i get super lucky crits. i would think it would be closer to 1000 dps.
If i dont do anything initially other make sure crit surge & mage light is on and just weave force shock i get about 600 to 900 dps with FTC (depending on crits and burning ). But if set up for a burst my dps is much lower which has me thinking its mis-calculates when the fight starts and stops.
Also every time i use Endless fury my dps is lower (but i have resto staff on that bar, so maybe weaving is less effective).
Any way any tips on the best way to measure both ur burst and sustained dps is appreciated. All i have figured out with FTC is a what each force shock weave cycle is and what my initial burst Damage is. Too do that, i i fire one weave and run away and see what it said. To measure my burst, i do my initial setup spells (say spell sym, crit surge and/or heals ) then fire say either a heavy attack/crystal frag combo or Crystal frag/light attack run away and look at the damage report.
I feel more like i am calculating my theoretical dps vs measuring it.Edited by indigoblades on November 10, 2014 5:18PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »The thing I see in most MMOs:
1. An experienced player at the top of their game hits a certain number and posts parses ect to show what the class is capable of.
2. Certain raid leaders see those posts and believe the top end is the norm.
3. All of a sudden those top end parses become the requirement for most groups even though they are far above actual requirement to beat an enrage etc.
4. A huge chunk of the playerbase end up excluded from raiding.
You mean like the guy who posted a video using camouflaged hunter to brag about his DPS?Edited by Joy_Division on November 10, 2014 5:22PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.6 -
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✭When people say "DPS" they mean single target DPS, not AOE.VR16 Templar
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Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭As a Stamina Build Templar using 6/1 Medium/Light Armor, full Stamina and Weapon Damage Enchants, and a Two-Handed Sword, I can reach 1k Single Target DPS rather easily as long as I don't have to run around too much. Sadly it's rather unrealistic that bosses have you standing still perfectly long enough to beat things upside the head to reach super high numbers, and frankly this thread is yet more proof that DK's are a wee bit OP, NB's on the forums still think they're UP, and Sorcs are perfectly fine and Templar's need a little, keyword, a little, love for DPS purposes.
Oh, and my ranged is 700-1k with a 2H and 800-1.1k with a bow, depending on the fight itself and what goes wrong/right, of which 450 is the minimum for AA and I think it was 500 for Hel Ra? 800 For the "hard mode" for the Mage? I can never remember these things, too busy simply playing the game =P
Seriously though, if you can reach 700, you're fine most likely, and anything higher is just plain you being too good with dat leetsauce XDBobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!1 -
Qhival✭✭✭So what I gather from everyone is that you pretty much have to be a glass cannon to be an acceptable DPS. In fact it sounds like you have to be a one trick pony tank and healer too. Well I won't ever play like that so I suppose I'll never get in groups.
I went to the rift and tested my AOE DPS build and did 700+ single target dps on 3 mammoths and 2 giants with the same build in my video, but I still dont think I would get any group spots with that.
It seems really difficult to test single target dps with a templar using blazing shield because the harder and faster the mob hits, the more DPS I do. I'm starting to think dps testing in general is all hokum.
for example, when i'm facing a hard hitting boss I usually just basic attack and pop my 1200 damage blazing shield every second and use blazing spear every 6 seconds. my spell crit is 49%. the shield explosion and burning light ticks end up being about 1300 single target dps, if they are blowing my shield up constantly. That's just using 2 moves. It just seems like there are too many circumstances to use DPS as a standard for anything.Edited by Qhival on November 10, 2014 6:50PM-Archival -Templar, NA6 -
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✭✭Lool you pull 2k DPs in a 4s fight begining with a stealthed full charged heavy attack as a NB with a boss vulnerable to evil hunter and you actually think it's good xD. So laughable.
Go kill a mammoth and then show your DPS. Killing a storm atro with less than 10K HP is just like the DPS on AA first boss: It doesn't count and can only make people laugh at you 
Haha, exactly what i thought
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Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭My VR1 Templar does 600-700 DPS, but I can live a lot longer and I'm enjoying the game... My NB and Sorc can pull 1.3-2k but that is "end game" I enjoy solo more then "end game" so I play my Templar now. I want a class like a EQ necro, but I have not found one that fits that feel yet.1 -
Qhival✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »My VR1 Templar does 600-700 DPS, but I can live a lot longer and I'm enjoying the game... My NB and Sorc can pull 1.3-2k but that is "end game" I enjoy solo more then "end game" so I play my Templar now. I want a class like a EQ necro, but I have not found one that fits that feel yet.
that's kinda how my build came to be. I just don't know how people have time for group & guild play with a fulltime job. When I tried a group designed character I would log in, waste an hour trying to find a group, then upset everyone when I had to leave an hour later. Apparently 2 hours a night isnt enough for this game, so my build became a solo build.Edited by Qhival on November 10, 2014 7:00PM-Archival -Templar, NA2 -
Kraven✭✭✭✭✭So what I gather from everyone is that you pretty much have to be a glass cannon to be an acceptable DPS. In fact it sounds like you have to be a one trick pony tank and healer too. Well I won't ever play like that so I suppose I'll never get in groups.
So this seems to be a common misconception. I get that ZOS went for freedom of character building I like that, however too many people seem to think they're a healer in heavy armor because they can be. Or a tank that does a lot of DPS but can't actually Tank a boss. You don't have to do anything but perform your role with in the group.
ESO never claimed they were trying to not have the trinity. I have tanked as a NB, no big deal. Every class can perform every role but it is up to the player to actually perform that role well. One trick pony? How about effective at the job you are suppose to be doing so the other group members aren't carrying slack. Don't think you should be able to tank, heal and dps all at the same time while wearing heavy armor. That is pure ignorance, either a simple lack of knowledge or the inability to apply that knowledge practically.
Personally when I started on my dps I was terrible, and I was willing to admit it to myself and then take the steps to improve. Expecting anyone else to accept sub par dps (or tanks or heals for that matter.) and over come it time after time again simply because "It's how I want to do it." is pretty self centered and inconsiderate.
Solo play? Do whatever you want because no one cares at all. Group wise? It's not elitist to say "This fight requires a minimum 600 dps." some mechanics have DPS checks just like some have HP checks and some require great healing. Now that said there will always be those idiots that insist every single dps they run with have 1k+ even knowing that is over kill so, simple solution: Don't group with them. Don't group with me either though if you expect to only put out 250 dps and have me carry you.V14 - IMPERIAL NIGHTBLADE - DPS/TANK
V13 - BRETON SORCERER - HEALS/DPS
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Cyhawk✭✭✭So much butthurt in this thread... moving on.
Anyways, to answer OP: About 750 is what you're aiming for. If everyone does about 750 you'll be fine for AA/Hel Ra. Sanctum requires a bit more, but much less button mashing and much more footwork. For every 4man dungeon, even 500 sustained is plenty.
These are extremely easy numbers to hit, basic light attack cancelled crushing shock will hit 700ish. Even without light attack you can still get about 450-500 by pressing the button over and over which for 99% of the content in the game is enough. Not great, but enough to beat it. (SO is the only thing I can think of where 500dps/person isn't enough)
Every class can achieve it with just basic weapon power rings, decent spell crit (41% from Weapon<purple>, Thief, Light armor, Inner Light) and the ability to press the same button over and over. If you can manage, toss in a Weakness to Elements for even more damage.
Now beyond this, you can toss in other class skills for even more damage.
I mean really, it's not hard to do decent DPS in this game.
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✭Baseline decent DPS:
Crushing shock + light attack weave, repeatedly.
If you just do this and don't do anything else at all, you will get 600 DPS. If you are at 200 weapon damage and 50% spell crit, you will get 750 DPS. If you run elemental drain and dawnbreaker, you might hit 850 DPS if you are flawless with your weaving. If you want to get above this, you have to include the use of other skills.
Anyone who says they get 1k DPS with a crushing shock rotation is not mentioning that they were buffed by their healer (combat prayer) or buffed by a DK (molten weapons). They are not mentioning that they used an ultimate to deal a bunch of damage. They are also not mentioning that they might have used spell crit pots to get 100% spell crit for most of the fight. They are also not mentioning that they switched to an execute ability when the boss was low on HP.10 -
Kypho✭✭✭✭So no chance to get into trial run with my 850-1.1k sustained (if mammoths and giants count for sustained) stamina single target dps (no pots, no ulti, no good anim canceling)?Edited by Kypho on November 10, 2014 8:40PM1 -
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They also may not mention that it is on the first and second boss of AA and they use Evil hunter.s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Baseline decent DPS:
Crushing shock + light attack weave, repeatedly.
If you just do this and don't do anything else at all, you will get 600 DPS. If you are at 200 weapon damage and 50% spell crit, you will get 750 DPS. If you run elemental drain and dawnbreaker, you might hit 850 DPS if you are flawless with your weaving. If you want to get above this, you have to include the use of other skills.
Anyone who says they get 1k DPS with a crushing shock rotation is not mentioning that they were buffed by their healer (combat prayer) or buffed by a DK (molten weapons). They are not mentioning that they used an ultimate to deal a bunch of damage. They are also not mentioning that they might have used spell crit pots to get 100% spell crit for most of the fight. They are also not mentioning that they switched to an execute ability when the boss was low on HP.
Anything close and above 800 sustained is really good for anything other than those 2.
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