as a NB tank (5 heavy 2 light) i can get around 2-2.5k dps in a aoe setting. Imo, if you want to maximize your aoe dps as a templar, maybe have a look at solar barrage? Might be better coz no aiming or something? just a suggestion
as a NB tank (5 heavy 2 light) i can get around 2-2.5k dps in a aoe setting. Imo, if you want to maximize your aoe dps as a templar, maybe have a look at solar barrage? Might be better coz no aiming or something? just a suggestion
i've tried solar barrage, but i could never figure out what i would replace on my current bar, and max aoe is 6 targets anyways, right?
Breg_Magol wrote: »As a NB, this is what it should be ... Except when I'm a DK, and then NB & DK values should insta-swap.
DK - 1.3K
Sorc - 0.2K
Templar - 0.35K
NB - 5K +
Anything else is patently wrong and deserves to be nerfed ...
Hortator Mopa wrote: »Hey guys, Dps is a funny thing and cant always be measured in a way that means anything.. HOWEVER you are doing it "wrong".
To test your dps you need to do it on a single target (with enough hp to make the fight last a little while) and you cant use ultimate or potions. Tbh you cant use anything that you wont have on the whole time in a boss fight aka final boss at AA.
Ill link my dps test on a storm atron. (2k+ dps single target semi sustained). Remember on longer bosses it may be lower, or sometimes the same, it depends on a few things and also with pots and ulti it can change. Like I said its hard to fully get a good idea of what DPS even is.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwbQflOcqZc
As a NB if you do it right you can hit 1k+ easy consistent on AA and VET DSA bosses and 2k + like I am doing on smaller mobs such as the ones you would find appearing around bosses in DSA VET (SINGLE TARGET ONLY). A few times I have kept 2k up on bosses though. Depending on crit rate. (ALSO SINGLE TARGET)
For AOEing you should be getting far more. At spell scar I can hit 8k solo without heals on the packs of mobs there.
I understand you said you are a tank however, goodluck.
Good discussion this /follow
I am hitting 6-800 single target sustained on world mobs on my vr6 dw sorc.
600 being the base value, 800 being max with pots, procs and crits.
(not counting of course the hilarious values I get when sneak attacking)
I basically weave heavy attacks with rapid strikes and keep blood craze and crit surge up at all times. When I'm feeling pro I try and switch to bow to have the venom dot aswell, but I don't know if its worth it (?)
I have flawless dawnbreaker slotted.
Hortator Mopa wrote: »Hey guys, Dps is a funny thing and cant always be measured in a way that means anything.. HOWEVER you are doing it "wrong".
To test your dps you need to do it on a single target (with enough hp to make the fight last a little while) and you cant use ultimate or potions. Tbh you cant use anything that you wont have on the whole time in a boss fight aka final boss at AA.
Ill link my dps test on a storm atron. (2k+ dps single target semi sustained). Remember on longer bosses it may be lower, or sometimes the same, it depends on a few things and also with pots and ulti it can change. Like I said its hard to fully get a good idea of what DPS even is.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwbQflOcqZc
As a NB if you do it right you can hit 1k+ easy consistent on AA and VET DSA bosses and 2k + like I am doing on smaller mobs such as the ones you would find appearing around bosses in DSA VET (SINGLE TARGET ONLY). A few times I have kept 2k up on bosses though. Depending on crit rate. (ALSO SINGLE TARGET)
For AOEing you should be getting far more. At spell scar I can hit 8k solo without heals on the packs of mobs there.
I understand you said you are a tank however, goodluck.
Good discussion this /follow
I am hitting 6-800 single target sustained on world mobs on my vr6 dw sorc.
600 being the base value, 800 being max with pots, procs and crits.
(not counting of course the hilarious values I get when sneak attacking)
I basically weave heavy attacks with rapid strikes and keep blood craze and crit surge up at all times. When I'm feeling pro I try and switch to bow to have the venom dot aswell, but I don't know if its worth it (?)
I have flawless dawnbreaker slotted.
have tested this out on my sorc as well (vr14) with 5 piece hundings rage and 4 piece night mother.
I can get about 1.1k (no pots, no evil hunter) by keeping lightning form up 100% of the time, having bound armaments (the one that increases heavy attack dmg, incase i need stamina in longer fights) leading with a heavy attack, and then doing a simple rotation of light attack/whirlwind/light attack/whirlwind and keeping blood craze up. when they get to about 25% i swap to my 2 hander and use the 2h execute, and it works pretty well.
You can even do this in a raid setting as long as there are only 1-2 stamina users in the group, and you have a templar healer that is willing to throw you some shards every now and again. I've gotten 1k on the warrior doing this, and i have a NB dw/2h friend who has gotten up to 1.2k on the warrior.
IMO, stamina DPS is actually pretty good (a good player will get higher stamina based dps than an average sorc/nb/templar), mainly because of the fact that you don't have to worry about trading your health for mana and then being healed, you can just use a synergy and get like 30% of your stamina back.
nerevarine1138 wrote: »Here's the real way to measure DPS:
- Go up to an enemy.
- Hit the enemy.
- Continue hitting the enemy.
- If you think the enemy died quickly enough for your tastes, you are doing enough damage.
- If you don't think the enemy died quickly enough for your tastes, then change something up.
- If someone else tries to tell you that you need to measure your DPS with a stick, grab said stick and whack said person over the head with it to show off your sustained DPS.
nerevarine1138 wrote: »Here's the real way to measure DPS:
- Go up to an enemy.
- Hit the enemy.
- Continue hitting the enemy.
- If you think the enemy died quickly enough for your tastes, you are doing enough damage.
- If you don't think the enemy died quickly enough for your tastes, then change something up.
- If someone else tries to tell you that you need to measure your DPS with a stick, grab said stick and whack said person over the head with it to show off your sustained DPS.
Hortator Mopa wrote: »The tears of jealousy of my 2k dps single target without ulti or pots, they taste so yummy!
To answer them though, you said you should be using potions and ultis. Well der obviously in battles you will however can you keep a ulti PERMANENTLY on throughout say the WHOLE end boss of AA? Can you keep potions on (crit) that last 10 seconds and have a 30 second cool down?
No you cant. So testing on smaller mobs with benefits you cannot keep on 100% is stupid. The test I did uses only things I can 100% keep on and to get a underlining base dps reading.
To the other person saying "Lol you used evil hunter etc you cant continue that"... How bad are you? I can sustain all those skills THUS why I didnt use a ulti or potion which has a effect that last less then the cool down of the pot. I also state that although I got 2k there I WOULD get less in other situations (Like the evil hunter not being used on some bosses).
Jump to conclusions more? I literally even stated in a post that it could be far less then 2k and normally averages 1.5 in big bosses.. jealousy is a ***?
People saying around 1 or 1.2 thousand dps is good are not good players. That is good dps dont get me wrong HOWEVER top tier players pull 1.5k consistent or... most things WONT need that much and is overkill but it is possible.... Weather or people like it or not..
Hortator Mopa wrote: »Remember on longer bosses it may be lower, or sometimes the same, it depends on a few things. Like I said its hard to fully get a good idea of what DPS even is.
As a NB if you do it right you can hit 1k+ easy consistent on AA and VET DSA bosses and 2k + like I am doing on smaller mobs such as the ones you would find appearing around bosses in DSA VET (SINGLE TARGET ONLY).
Hortator Mopa wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »Remember on longer bosses it may be lower, or sometimes the same, it depends on a few things. Like I said its hard to fully get a good idea of what DPS even is.
As a NB if you do it right you can hit 1k+ easy consistent on AA and VET DSA bosses and 2k + like I am doing on smaller mobs such as the ones you would find appearing around bosses in DSA VET (SINGLE TARGET ONLY).
I think I will leave this here. You don't know how to read?
1) I literally say this is dps on mobs that have this hp and normally are around bosses in such things as DSA.
2) I say there are lots of things that change this. Evil hunter might not be useful, pots, ultis, team members, stealth, is it mid fight, are you opening thus the stealth combo. So that's another point you obviously didn't read.
You are either dumb and cant read or jealous. Every single thing you accuse me of I had pointed out in the original post I did.
Jump to conclusions and YOU will be laughed at.
Question for you: Are you so bad you CANT do 1k+ consistent on a trial boss or 2k+ consistent on a mini boss?
l2p and l2r
Hortator Mopa wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »Remember on longer bosses it may be lower, or sometimes the same, it depends on a few things. Like I said its hard to fully get a good idea of what DPS even is.
As a NB if you do it right you can hit 1k+ easy consistent on AA and VET DSA bosses and 2k + like I am doing on smaller mobs such as the ones you would find appearing around bosses in DSA VET (SINGLE TARGET ONLY).
1) I literally say this is dps on mobs that have this hp and normally are around bosses in such things as DSA.
2) I say there are lots of things that change this. Evil hunter might not be useful, pots, ultis, team members, stealth, is it mid fight, are you opening thus the stealth combo. So that's another point you obviously didn't read.