Jaxom wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌
There is another problem regarding Strife skill (that and its morphs). They AREN'T healing as intended. Sometimes I get low 27 heal per tick and I was doing 288 swallow soul (SS) damage. I am pretty sure that 25% of that damage is not equal to 27 heal per tick and other times, it's the exact opposite. I get 400+ heal per tick from doing 600+ SS damage.
This bug can either assist you greatly or smack you in the face during a fight be it PVP or PVE.

Not sure if this bug has been reported before or not. Just want to remind you that there is still a serious bug hindering NBs' efficiency. Please look into this bug. Thank you

Been like this for awhile. The Healing tick is based on the previous damage done prior to using Funnel Health. So if your previous hit was a light attack and it was blocked, the healing tick on Funnel Health will be in the double digits as low as 20. Clearly this is not working as intended. It's easily exploitable though I will not explain exactly how. I've submitted multiple tickets on it. Hopefully they are aware.

That would explain how I saw variation from 24hp ticks and 480hp ticks, I thought it was the add on.

I honestly don't know how they can even begin to balance class skills till major bugs like that are fixed.

Everytime I see this thread I hope that it's a comment form ZOS saying that NB DoTs no longer break stealth... 4 months in still badly broken. wtf is goin on ZOS??

My guess is that the devs are waiting until the release of the Theives guild and Dark Brother hood skill lines until they make any major fixes to the Nightblade class as they will most likely have stealth and stamina based passives. Eventhough, we will have to wait at least 3 months I'm guessing. It seems they are pay more attention to other classes than than the Nightblade, that is my guess as to why they stalling the changes to Nightblades and stamina builds.

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Selodaoc wrote: »

Ive been quite succesful in PvP on my NB in melee, but often i found myself thinking "phew i was lucky i killed him before he got out of my cc and healed himself up to max again"

Stunlocking someone from 100%-0% isnt really a fun playstyle, but its pretty much the only thing there is.

That's the name of the game in pvp though. Every class relies on CC effects to win in fights. Sorcs have streak and shards, most DKs use some sort of shield charge-talons-whip combo, Templars rely on the spear class for dps and NBs have cloak+CW/SA. Preventing attacks is it's own sort of damage mitigation.

This is true to an extent:

Streak and Shards both work.

Shield Charge, Talons, Whip all work.

Templar Aedric Spear abilities work, as does Blazing Shield. Blazing Shield is actually bugged, but in a way that benefits Templars.

NBs have Cloak and Concealed Weapon / Surprise Attacks, but Cloak has been bugged since launch and there is no fix in sight. So the synergy provided by CW / SA is moot if the invis breaks in under a second.

It's really very hard to compare survivability among classes when one of the classes' main defense has never worked correctly.

Preventing attacks would be pretty great damage mitigation if it actually worked reliably. A great deal of the time, you just end up wasting your magicka bar for nothing at all.

Varicite wrote: »

Leeching Strikes (and Siphoning Attacks) has an internal cooldown of about 1 second.

Haste will not actually give you more procs from Leeching because of this fact.

Well, it can help you achieve that internal cooldown with maximal efficiency.
Heavy attacks are more than 2 seconds, so haste does increase proc rate on heavy attacks.
Also, I haven't timed it, but If haste helps reduce a light attack from say 1.2 seconds to 1.1 seconds then it does synergise with leeching strikes and increase the number of procs. Its only if light attacks are already faster than 1 per second that you gain nothing from haste with them.

Varicite wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Selodaoc wrote: »

Ive been quite succesful in PvP on my NB in melee, but often i found myself thinking "phew i was lucky i killed him before he got out of my cc and healed himself up to max again"

Stunlocking someone from 100%-0% isnt really a fun playstyle, but its pretty much the only thing there is.

That's the name of the game in pvp though. Every class relies on CC effects to win in fights. Sorcs have streak and shards, most DKs use some sort of shield charge-talons-whip combo, Templars rely on the spear class for dps and NBs have cloak+CW/SA. Preventing attacks is it's own sort of damage mitigation.

This is true to an extent:

Streak and Shards both work.

Shield Charge, Talons, Whip all work.

Templar Aedric Spear abilities work, as does Blazing Shield. Blazing Shield is actually bugged, but in a way that benefits Templars.

NBs have Cloak and Concealed Weapon / Surprise Attacks, but Cloak has been bugged since launch and there is no fix in sight. So the synergy provided by CW / SA is moot if the invis breaks in under a second.

It's really very hard to compare survivability among classes when one of the classes' main defense has never worked correctly.

Preventing attacks would be pretty great damage mitigation if it actually worked reliably. A great deal of the time, you just end up wasting your magicka bar for nothing at all.

Very hard to compare survivability? Cloak bugged. All other class has shield or/and more armor buff, some has god mode(magma armor/blazing shield), and all have much better heals. not speaking of more reliable dps what can be sustained. (exept 6mob vs light armor NB with siphonings but thats lolPvE crap)

Your magicka eater gtfo skill is the most bugged crap. I would love to see sorcerer bolt escape bolting him to 1m away only.

TheBull wrote: »

General: Currently, a Nightblade’s own residual outgoing damage-over-time ticks break his or her invisibility. This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch.

3 months later, NO fix...

And thats just one issue. more bugs are there like swallow soul/funnel. Nothing to get NP on pair with others eighter.
And old bug where logs/addons show dmg, but nothing happens....

btw future patch... 1.99999999999999b patch maybe

So when exactly are we going to see any Buffs to NightBlades or rework of their useless skills which is 70% of them ?

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

My guess is that the devs are waiting until the release of the Theives guild and Dark Brother hood skill lines until they make any major fixes to the Nightblade class as they will most likely have stealth and stamina based passives. Eventhough, we will have to wait at least 3 months I'm guessing. It seems they are pay more attention to other classes than than the Nightblade, that is my guess as to why they stalling the changes to Nightblades and stamina builds.

I will give you 10k gold if this will be true

Ok, I am gonna hold you too it months from now when NB's will be awesome.

NBs are awesome right now if you are talking about Trials.

/shrug

Xnemesis wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

My guess is that the devs are waiting until the release of the Theives guild and Dark Brother hood skill lines until they make any major fixes to the Nightblade class as they will most likely have stealth and stamina based passives. Eventhough, we will have to wait at least 3 months I'm guessing. It seems they are pay more attention to other classes than than the Nightblade, that is my guess as to why they stalling the changes to Nightblades and stamina builds.

I will give you 10k gold if this will be true

Ok, I am gonna hold you too it months from now when NB's will be awesome.

NBs are awesome right now if you are talking about Trials.

/shrug

when they are in a dress and wielding a resto staff

Pretty sure this thread is about Nightblades, not stamina vs magicka builds.

Nightblades are doing excellent, stamina builds are not.

Not sure if you noticed, but all of the other classes that are doing great are doing so in light armor w/ staves as well.

Nightblades are not that underpowered I can kill things pretty quick with two handed and use a lot attack buffs from skills that the nightblades have.

Finally ! My 6 month sub is about to end soon

I wish night blades have a little more sustain when it comes to health.

Siphoning

Strife

• Deals [x] Magic Damage and heals player for 25% of the damage inflicted, every 2 seconds for 10 seconds.

If i do 500 damage with this move I should get 125 points back every two seconds for 10 seconds. So that is about 625 health in 10 seconds. Not bad but this ability does not always give you the correct amount of health so you have to spam the attack in order to benefit from it.

Sap Essence

• Deals [x] Magic Damage to nearby enemies and increases weapon damage by 6% for each enemy damaged, for 20 seconds
• Nearby allies are healed for [x]
• This value is increased 20% for each enemy hit

This ability is so confusing. It does not say it can heal the user but it does but every time is use it. It seems like I cannot heal my enough unless I have a lot of enemies attack me but in a boss battle this skill feels like a waste of magicka. Skill is pretty good for some body who uses sword and shield line because you can quickly get back health if your are tanking.

Leeching Strikes
[*] While toggled, basic weapon attacks restore 3% Magicka and Stamina and 2% Health
[*] Weapon and Spell Damage reduced by 25% (22% at rank IV)
[*] 10% chance basic weapon attacks to restore 15% Magicka and Stamina

This skill is a great way to get back magicka and stamina but the 22% reduce weapon and spell Damage is a let down. Lets say I have 2000 health and 1500 stamina and 1400 magicka. I would get 40 health back from each attack from my weapon, 42 for magicka, and 45 from stamina. This amount of resource back is meaningless for the huge debuf of both attack and magic damage but what makes this ability good is because of the 10% chance to restore 15% Magicka and Stamina. So I will get 225 stamina and 210 magicka back. This is good but I wish you can get back so more health. Like having 10% chance to get back health this would be a much better skill. A chance to get back 200 health would be worth the huge debuff in battle. This skill could be great sustainment over all but it is not.

Soul Siphoner

• Rank I
• While using Siphoning abilities:
  
• Increases healing from Siphoning abilities by 8%
  
• Siphoning Rank 22
  
• Rank II
• While using Siphoning abilities:
  
• Increases healing from Siphoning abilities by 15%

This would be good passive if it work with the other class abilities or if some siphoning abilities work better.
Shadow

Refreshing path

• Enemy targets in front of player take Magic Damage every second for 10 seconds
• Increases movement speed 50% for duration
• Allies are healed for 0 every 1 second

This typically heals for about 50 per second but you have to be on the shadow in order to get it. So about 500 health as long you can stay on the shadow. Ok heal but most of the time you going to use the shadow to help you dodge attacks so you are probably will not get all of the healing.

Assassin
Killer's Blade

• Deals [x] Magic Damage
• Low Health targets take 300% additional damage
• Heals player for 15% Max Health when killing an opponent with this ability (18% at rank IV)

This skill gives you back 360 health if you have 2000 max health. This good but you have to kill the opponent in order to get the health which would not work in a boss battle.
Reaping Mark

• Marks a target for death for 60 seconds
• Player's attacks ignore 75% of target's Armor and Spell Resistance, and target's attacks ignore 75% of player's Armor and Spell Resistance
• Killing a marked target restores player's Health by 60% and increasing Weapon Damage by 12 and Spell Damage by 12, for 30 seconds

This the best heal nightblades have you can get 1200 health back. The big problem with this skill is that you have to kill the enemy in order to get back the health. This is only useful in boss battle if the boss has adds other than that it is useless because this skill will make you die faster.

So most of the skills are very situational. We have many healing skills but there are only a couple of moves that would help us in a boss battle. I just wish there a better way heal without having to use a restoration staff.

Code2501 wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

I wish night blades have a little more sustain when it comes to health.

Siphoning

Strife

• Deals [x] Magic Damage and heals player for 25% of the damage inflicted, every 2 seconds for 10 seconds.

If i do 500 damage with this move I should get 125 points back every two seconds for 10 seconds. So that is about 625 health in 10 seconds.

The skill currently actually will heal for 25pct of the attack before the damage of strife hit in most cases. Intended or not, you can get 500hp ticks if used after a stealth open of 2k. Or you can get 20hp ticks if used after a weak light attack.

I calculating that on a character that does not have increase healling receive or the passives that give increase healing. It does not fully give back 25 % but once put in other variables it seems like it is doing it.

Selodaoc wrote: »

Code2501 wrote: »

And the below consistently do not break invisibility when used on enemies.

Veil of blades IV

They fixed it? Veil broke stealth for me before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T6tG_aLSXfQ

Was working fine for me last night quite consistently. Please do test yourself though and let us know if you get a different result.

Edit, Yup tested again tonight post last nights patch and Veil ticks definately does not break cloak.