Nightblade Update

Varicite

@Matuzes See, that is the kind of feedback that is far more helpful than the subjective "I feel weaker than every other class", or even the laughable "NB only has 4-5 good skills, while every skill for all of the other classes is good".

Thank you for the list, I agree w/ a lot of those mechanical problems w/ abilities.

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Well that's just not true. We are all complaining about our comparatively crappy buffs.

You say "comparatively crappy". What are you comparing them to, exactly? I'm genuinely curious which class' buffs have been more ambitious in the past months, in your opinion.

When I look over the patch notes, I see mostly nerfs to the other classes, and as I play not only 2 NBs, but a Sorc and a DK, I can tell you that the vast majority of what those classes have received are nerfs.

Or do you mean Templars, the only class that was doing worse than we were at launch? I don't begrudge them their buffs, they needed more than we did.

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Oh come on, seriously? Shades? That is by far the most disappointing spell we have and our stupid fear only works on two targets at a time. Fear would actually be alright if we had a functioning invisibility , but then we probably wouldn't need to use it if invisibility worked properly.

I get a ridiculous amount of mileage from my shades; I'm sorry that you find the ability to be so disappointing. The Dark Shades morph, which I'm most used to, is excellent for stamina draining of blocking opponents. I used that most as I had issues w/ the very popular S+S blocking DKs, and having a constant drain on them is immensely helpful.

I've seen some players use the other Shades morph to great effect, teleporting to LoS objects or back onto keep walls. It still provides half the benefit of Dark Shades' stam drain, but also gives pretty good utility w/ a defensive teleport. I'm still practicing w/ this one myself, but as I practice w/ it, I find it to be rather powerful.

And of course, both morphs will reduce your damage taken by 15%, which stacks w/ VoB for a pretty decent 75% damage reduction for 14 seconds.

You may think that the shades are subpar, but I'm personally hard-pressed to find a lot of abilities that have more utility built into a 1-2 button presses, outside of Ults.

PS) Completely agreed about the block bug during Aspect. I don't mind that it only fears 2 people, because it is still the only CC that will work while opponents are blocking, making it far more useful than any of the single-target CCs that other classes get.

Darkonflare15

@eventide03b14a_ESO
Combat slow and choppy? I do not think combat is slow at all. I fight with a two handed weapon and the combat is not that slow. What I think is the problem is the reach of the enemies and movement? What is the point of dodging a attack if I am going to be hit any way? Now I just wasted stamina for nothing. Movement skills could be a lot better for everybody. If they can improve the movement of combat then it would not be so bad. Also Shades not a bad skill I can get up to 620 Dot over time with shades and I do not even have it max yet. Plus this skill debuff enemies attacks. This skill is way better than most skills that night blade have.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

@eventide03b14a_ESO
Combat slow and choppy? I do not think combat is slow at all. I fight with a two handed weapon and the combat is not that slow. What I think is the problem is the reach of the enemies and movement? What is the point of dodging a attack if I am going to be hit any way? Now I just wasted stamina for nothing. Movement skills could be a lot better for everybody. If they can improve the movement of combat then it would not be so bad. Also Shades not a bad skill I can get up to 620 Dot over time with shades and I do not even have it max yet. Plus this skill debuff enemies attacks. This skill is way better than most skills that night blade have.

I wasn't that impressed with the shades. There is a definite delay when you use abilities consecutively. It would be nice if there was an ability queue which might reduce that substantially.

Darkonflare15

• Why is it that every patch there is a patch that fixes a skill from Sorcerer,Dk, and Templar?
• Why is it when we finally get a fix for a night blade skill I never know what it
  is until they supposedly fix it?
• Why have they not fix shadow cloak and some skills like veiled strike?
  Everybody and they Grandma can break us out of stealth. Veiled strike is suppose to be instant be there is delay in the skill. Plus the skill does not always does damage.
• Why do we not have a effective defensive skill?
• Why is attack speed not noticeable?
• Why can't haste work with bows?
• Why did siphoning strikes and its morph get nerf from 4% to 3% but still has the weapon and spell power debuff?
• Why is the Agony skill and Aspect of Terror skill target very few targets for too much magic?
• Why is the shadow image ability will not let me teleport to it?
• Why is the shadow image ability allow me to only teleport to it once?
• Why does night blade only have two synergy skills and they are ultimates and why our cheap party heals really does not heal a lot?
• Why is most of night blade abilities are single target when most enemies in the game come in pairs of two and more?
• What is point of of night blades if some of our class only skills do not work?
• Why do night blade skills have debuffs in their skills like, shades, siphoning strikes, and mark target?
• Why is all enemies in the game doing more bow damage than me?
• Why is when a enemy just has one weapon they can use dual wield abilities but when I want to do it I can't?
• Why I cannot just play with one weapon why do I have to have a shield?
• Why change so much but cause everybody to have to adapt? Why can you ease into these situations Like the provisioning revamp and the clothing revamp?
• Why do you want to ease class balances but revamp other game mechanics really fast?
• Why is the bow heavy so slow?
• Why are moves so situational in this game but I never have the right skills at the right time?
• What is love? because this game is hurting me.
• Why is the alchemy skill medical use never work properly?
• Why have you not fix the warrior stone yet it has been three weeks?
• Why don't you hot fix errors why wait until a big update just to have more errors down the line?
• Why don't you let us know why your not doing these things? It would make me feel better.
• Why do I have to change the rarity of enchant potion speed for vet potions to work and why have this not been explain in detail yet?
• Why are you nerfing other classes but not fixing their broken skills?
• When are going to fix the group finder?
• What is the difference between Dodge and Miss?
• Why is the roll too short?
• When I roll back I still get hit by attacks?
• Why do we not have an agility attribute?
• What are you afraid of night blades becoming if you buff their skills?
• Where is the hope of fixes for our broken combat mechanics?

I have been patiently waiting for somethings to change but it seems like I would never get answers. So I felt like getting somethings off my chest while waiting for things to give me hope.

Kypho

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

• Why is it that every patch there is a patch that fixes a skill from Sorcerer,Dk, and Templar?
• Why is it when we finally get a fix for a night blade skill I never know what it
  is until they supposedly fix it?
• Why have they not fix shadow cloak and some skills like veiled strike?
  Everybody and they Grandma can break us out of stealth. Veiled strike is suppose to be instant be there is delay in the skill. Plus the skill does not always does damage.
• Why do we not have a effective defensive skill?
• Why is attack speed not noticeable?
• Why can't haste work with bows?
• Why did siphoning strikes and its morph get nerf from 4% to 3% but still has the weapon and spell power debuff?
• Why is the Agony skill and Aspect of Terror skill target very few targets for too much magic?
• Why is the shadow image ability will not let me teleport to it?
• Why is the shadow image ability allow me to only teleport to it once?
• Why does night blade only have two synergy skills and they are ultimates and why our cheap party heals really does not heal a lot?
• Why is most of night blade abilities are single target when most enemies in the game come in pairs of two and more?
• What is point of of night blades if some of our class only skills do not work?
• Why do night blade skills have debuffs in their skills like, shades, siphoning strikes, and mark target?
• Why is all enemies in the game doing more bow damage than me?
• Why is when a enemy just has one weapon they can use dual wield abilities but when I want to do it I can't?
• Why I cannot just play with one weapon why do I have to have a shield?
• Why change so much but cause everybody to have to adapt? Why can you ease into these situations Like the provisioning revamp and the clothing revamp?
• Why do you want to ease class balances but revamp other game mechanics really fast?
• Why is the bow heavy so slow?
• Why are moves so situational in this game but I never have the right skills at the right time?
• What is love? because this game is hurting me.
• Why is the alchemy skill medical use never work properly?
• Why have you not fix the warrior stone yet it has been three weeks?
• Why don't you hot fix errors why wait until a big update just to have more errors down the line?
• Why don't you let us know why your not doing these things? It would make me feel better.
• Why do I have to change the rarity of enchant potion speed for vet potions to work and why have this not been explain in detail yet?
• Why are you nerfing other classes but not fixing their broken skills?
• When are going to fix the group finder?
• What is the difference between Dodge and Miss?
• Why is the roll too short?
• When I roll back I still get hit by attacks?
• Why do we not have an agility attribute?
• What are you afraid of night blades becoming if you buff their skills?
• Where is the hope of fixes for our broken combat mechanics?

I have been patiently waiting for somethings to change but it seems like I would never get answers. So I felt like getting somethings off my chest while waiting for things to give me hope.

Awesome. You covered probably all problems. Nice one! My patience is over so i canceled sub...
ZoS can continue its vampire wars online with OPlars and DK, and they can go to hell. The feed on camels fix was more important than fix a class, and ballance the game.... i dont think they will ever fix NB at all.....

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

My guess is that the devs are waiting until the release of the Theives guild and Dark Brother hood skill lines until they make any major fixes to the Nightblade class as they will most likely have stealth and stamina based passives. Eventhough, we will have to wait at least 3 months I'm guessing. It seems they are pay more attention to other classes than than the Nightblade, that is my guess as to why they stalling the changes to Nightblades and stamina builds.

So should we continue to pay for it till they fix it? I'm not in the habit of paying for a product I am unsatisfied with. I'm not asking this to be snide I want to honestly know if I should be paying for something that seems to be still in beta.

You should not pay to use something that is broken. If you buy an item from a store and it is broken, you can return it most the time but, not in this case. You can either continue continue to pay ZOS for their incompetence and constent mistakes or you can stop wasting time and money.

Also, you can try to make a Dk or Sorc since they only care about those 2 classes, your playing would most likelely be more enjoyable in endgame.

TheBull

#buffBlur

Thejollygreenone

#buffBlur indeed.

Braddass

Wait ... if they buff Blur, I may actually have to level it up. I haven't bothered to buy or level a good portion of our skills (because they were useless).

forthewinn2

We have no damage shields, no emergency heals and no armor buffs(the passive doesn't count due to it's super short duration).
The fact that the Dragonknight ability Cinder Storm is way better than either of the Blur morphs just adds insult to injury.

#buffBlur

lathbury

So cloak and morphs still broken since beta but siphoning nerfed. Guess we are the ginger step kid of the eso family. No damage shield or burst heals for us just a 2 sec invisibility that doesn't work.

Grim13

62 pages, 106.9k views and 1800 comments since the "fixes starting 1.2.x" lie... and silence.

Where are our fixes, not buffs, just the fixes?

You are liars, Zenimax.

@#$% liars.

Darkonflare15

lathbury wrote: »

So cloak and morphs still broken since beta but siphoning nerfed. Guess we are the ginger step kid of the eso family. No damage shield or burst heals for us just a 2 sec invisibility that doesn't work.

Remember we do have a burst heal we just have to kill somebody to get it :
I am looking at you mark target and morphs.

Kypho

Grim13 wrote: »

62 pages, 106.9k views and 1800 comments since the "fixes starting 1.2.x" lie... and silence.

Where are our fixes, not buffs, just the fixes?

You are liars, Zenimax.

@#$% liars.

yupp. they dont give a sh.t. I guess the population is OPlars and DK, some sorcs so they can keep the game running without NBs
Canceled subs because ZoS failed to get NB on pair with other classes, and failed to buff WW. i save my money, maybe someone will ballance this game and i can play fair again.

Kypho

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

So cloak and morphs still broken since beta but siphoning nerfed. Guess we are the ginger step kid of the eso family. No damage shield or burst heals for us just a 2 sec invisibility that doesn't work.

Remember we do have a burst heal we just have to kill somebody to get it :
I am looking at you mark target and morphs.

kill a templar who spamming 1k+ heals + shield vs your noheal + noshield.... so no heal for you dude
You get out of all resources, he still can spam heals+shield... thats the terrible resource managment for OPlars? not only ZoS is a joke, but OPlar players too...

venomsky

i did something to fix NB,I do not renew the subscription to the game.

Varicite

Kypho wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

So cloak and morphs still broken since beta but siphoning nerfed. Guess we are the ginger step kid of the eso family. No damage shield or burst heals for us just a 2 sec invisibility that doesn't work.

Remember we do have a burst heal we just have to kill somebody to get it :
I am looking at you mark target and morphs.

kill a templar who spamming 1k+ heals + shield vs your noheal + noshield.... so no heal for you dude
You get out of all resources, he still can spam heals+shield... thats the terrible resource managment for OPlars? not only ZoS is a joke, but OPlar players too...

Considering that Templar was hands-down the worst class at launch, and now posts like this one exist, gives me hope for NBs.

After all, apparently Templars went from the bottom of the barrel to "OPlars" in like 2 patches.

lathbury

Considering nb isn't even mentioned on the latest PTS patch. I'll assume they have given up.

Reremnu

DK looks like their favourite class, they need to be careful to be sure that each NB buff will still make a NB less powerful than a DK ;3

jackleminer55

have all of these fixes and updates been added to the game yet or are they still being waited on?

Reremnu

Fixes and updates are slowly being implemented.

zhevon

Reremnu wrote: »

Fixes and updates are slowly being implemented.

"Molasses in January" springs to mind - northern hemisphere of course.

VanHalen

Enough of hysteria, this is not funny. We have the best class in the game right now. Our class provides the most flexible style of play. We are the best tanks, wreckers, mages, DDs, supports, gangers. That's just NBs are bad archers well and let other classes suffer with this weapon. I am afraid will soon be a nerf.

Kypho

VanHalen wrote: »

Enough of hysteria, this is not funny. We have the best class in the game right now. Our class provides the most flexible style of play. We are the best tanks, wreckers, mages, DDs, supports, gangers. That's just NBs are bad archers well and let other classes suffer with this weapon. I am afraid will soon be a nerf.

you are the best troll

venomsky

VanHalen wrote: »

Enough of hysteria, this is not funny. We have the best class in the game right now. Our class provides the most flexible style of play. We are the best tanks, wreckers, mages, DDs, supports, gangers. That's just NBs are bad archers well and let other classes suffer with this weapon. I am afraid will soon be a nerf.

!NB full of bugs , clock bug and stupid nerf of siphoning strikes! even child can break our stealth!!!!

Jacques Berge

Did you guys know there's a forum where some folks are saying that magelight shouldnt have to be slotted twice, that its not OP?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1261813/#Comment_1261813 Drop in and give em an earful. Let's troll the forum into obscurity.

VanHalen

venomsky wrote: »

VanHalen wrote: »

Enough of hysteria, this is not funny. We have the best class in the game right now. Our class provides the most flexible style of play. We are the best tanks, wreckers, mages, DDs, supports, gangers. That's just NBs are bad archers well and let other classes suffer with this weapon. I am afraid will soon be a nerf.

!NB full of bugs , clock bug and stupid nerf of siphoning strikes! even child can break our stealth!!!!

Do not use stealth, if you do not like how it works. We have a lot of fun skills, unlike other classes that have a limited set of useful skills.

I am ashamed that for my favorite class to play Emo hysteric. Make for yourself infirm DKs.

Darkonflare15

Well night blades get some good news. They have said that they fix the problem wth Nightblade's DoTs breaking their own Invisibility.
Zos_TristianK says

"While the fix wasn't ready for patch 1.4.2 on the PTS, it will indeed be in place for the live release Update 4 next week. Damage-over-time ticks from Nightblade abilities will no longer prematurely bring the Nightblade out of Shadow Cloak and its morphs. Please check the final Update 4 patch notes next week for specific details".

So finally after several months.

Reremnu

" Damage-over-time ticks from Nightblade abilities " ... well it is a good beginning. DoTs from other skills (like caltrops, poison DoT from a bow skill) also shouldn't break invisibility.

Kypho

VanHalen wrote: »

venomsky wrote: »

VanHalen wrote: »

Enough of hysteria, this is not funny. We have the best class in the game right now. Our class provides the most flexible style of play. We are the best tanks, wreckers, mages, DDs, supports, gangers. That's just NBs are bad archers well and let other classes suffer with this weapon. I am afraid will soon be a nerf.

!NB full of bugs , clock bug and stupid nerf of siphoning strikes! even child can break our stealth!!!!

Do not use stealth, if you do not like how it works. We have a lot of fun skills, unlike other classes that have a limited set of useful skills.

I am ashamed that for my favorite class to play Emo hysteric. Make for yourself infirm DKs.

like selfheals, shields, etc...? yeah we have those useless skills like the another classes... wait we dont. DK full of good skills. templars full of good skills. sorcerers full of good skill.... dont troll pls.

You eighter dont have those classes, or dont have NB, or you are just an another random lightarmor+staff+f.gpirism user.