Angry... Really angry

SwampRaider

I am having a hard time as a VR9 killing 3 mobs at once. Best strategy so far? range one down ASAP
Run away
after de aggro, sneak in kill the other two

Chirru

Avidus wrote: »

I swear there are 2 things I keep hearing, that are complete and utter rubbish.

1. The content is too difficult.
2. You have to make cookie cutter builds.

Its rubbish, I'm VR2, levelling through VR content easily. No troubles at all.
Do I have some super build?? Heck no!

I am above all else a crafter, all I do is make things, I have spent probably 9/10 skill points in crafting.
I play combat as a sorcerer Healer.

If I can do this content, and its not too difficult for me, then either I am godly, or its not that hard.

What Veteran level are you? Veteran 2? You just wait a while. Soon enough you will look for people to bite you...even as a Sorc.

phairdon

Yes you can die on the some quests when venturing into higher veteran territory.
Solution; ask for help & group with other players when facing overwhelming enemy numbers. Soon enough things will become easier when weapons & armor upgrade.

Zaxq

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

I can count on my fingers how many times I died from V1 to v10.

Either that's BS or you're a vamp.

I got my Vampire bite at Vet10 from a guildie, and am currently Vampire lvl5 (with none of the skill-line unlocked).

I didnt want to be a vampire whilst levelling due to the negatives.

Now, you can feel free to believe whatever you like, but I levelled to Vet10 as a non-vamp by doing quests, PvP and a bit of from 25-50 i spent a lot of time in Vahtecen. I actually only hit Vet10 about a week ago because I took my time.

I literally used the same 5 skills (plus Ultimate) for the whole of my levelling.

Impale, Siphon, Dark Cloak, Venom Arrow, Draining Shot and the assassination ultimate (forget the name right now).

Draining shot knocksback and snares whilst also have a 6s "stun" on it (So long as you dont shoot it again). 99% of boss mobs can be chain hit by it - top tip = you can sit there for 5s whilst its stunned and regen magicka/sta/hp rather than trying to unload all your hits as fast as possible.

Venom arrow interrupts and stuns caster mobs if they use any cast time abilities.

Dark Cloak lets you skip all trash mobs, and can get you range on 99% of boss mobs, or lets you regen if your health dips (try popping siphon and a potion then instantly cloaking. Ta Da! full health again).

Impale is spammable at around 20% mob hp and destroys them.

Assassination ultimate costs 75 ulti (and with passives is pretty much up all the time). This gives you a 5-700 dmg hit AND a hard stun (with knockdown animation).

So, for example, if you hit a 3 pack, you just knockback 2 of the mobs and alpha-strike the caster/healer/ranged mob. re-apply knockback where required = easymode.

All melee based bosses and world bosses are free kills. Snare + shoot n scoot. Stun or cloak if you take any dmg = easymode.

Caster mobs can be chain stunned if youre clever = generally easymode (some bosses can be a pain).

For Public Dungeons = you dont have to kill all the end bosses to finish the dungeon, although half of them are melee and therefore can be soloed by a Bow user (NB). Heck, you can actually solo some of the Vet dungeon bosses.

Theres a billion other variations using Dual Wield, 2H, whatever.

Zaxq

Chirru wrote: »

pxtc_ESO wrote: »

two_beer wrote: »

I'm used to MMO's. Played a lot of them, beta tested a few.

This one has me really upset.

First I seem to have hit the angry mark 1 day too late - I say that because my 90 day subscription happened already and I was ok with gameplay until then. 1 day later and I'm so angry I don't ever want to play again.

I hit VR1 and it was tough, but managable. I played smart, realizing I can't solo everything. Then I moved to the next zone as VR2. And I died. All the time. I'm now dying so fast and often that I'm out of gold for repairs. Oh, and the lag/DC stuff is great too...

I don't want someone to tell me to "LTP" (or learn to play for those not in the know). I was playing just fine up until a day or so ago - I seem to have accidentally jumped into the "must know everything and have a super script set up" level. How do I go back?

So, can I get my $77 back? I do not want to just play low level alts, but I don't want to be forced to some specific build that makes me viable - I like how I was playing.

The game is super easy up to VR10. I'm VR10 and it was easy and boring to get to VR10. Like others suggested learn to use new abilities, try something different. If you're having a hard time then it's your own fault.

Well said mister Vampire exploit ...for this is what I think you did. In my opinion all those saying it is easy somehow did NOT play by the rules the rest of up play by.

It was easy getting to Vet 10 as a non-vampire (and there are MANY of us).

We did play by the same rules, with the SAME OPTIONS available.

We did the same quests and killed the same bosses that you and you forum-friends are saying are impossible.

Just because you arent doing as very well does not mean everyone else is a cheat.

It also doesnt mean they should trash the game to easymode because you and the minority cant adapt or improve.

Grao

two_beer wrote: »

I'm used to MMO's. Played a lot of them, beta tested a few.

This one has me really upset.

First I seem to have hit the angry mark 1 day too late - I say that because my 90 day subscription happened already and I was ok with gameplay until then. 1 day later and I'm so angry I don't ever want to play again.

I hit VR1 and it was tough, but managable. I played smart, realizing I can't solo everything. Then I moved to the next zone as VR2. And I died. All the time. I'm now dying so fast and often that I'm out of gold for repairs. Oh, and the lag/DC stuff is great too...

I don't want someone to tell me to "LTP" (or learn to play for those not in the know). I was playing just fine up until a day or so ago - I seem to have accidentally jumped into the "must know everything and have a super script set up" level. How do I go back?

So, can I get my $77 back? I do not want to just play low level alts, but I don't want to be forced to some specific build that makes me viable - I like how I was playing.

A few notes and advises that may help you. At the VR lvls you will always die a lot on the beginning of each area, at least that is how it has been for me. You will learn to avoid enemy packs that have more than 3 npcs; it is hard, but not impossible. Also, group up as much as possible. Don't be afraid to go in the chat and ask "hey, can I have some help going through this quest?". Surprisingly people do help if you are patient.

GreySix

How is it that none of us has yet remembered to post this, in honor of the OP?

Tripp3r

two_beer wrote: »

I'm used to MMO's. Played a lot of them, beta tested a few.

This one has me really upset.

First I seem to have hit the angry mark 1 day too late - I say that because my 90 day subscription happened already and I was ok with gameplay until then. 1 day later and I'm so angry I don't ever want to play again.

I hit VR1 and it was tough, but managable. I played smart, realizing I can't solo everything. Then I moved to the next zone as VR2. And I died. All the time. I'm now dying so fast and often that I'm out of gold for repairs. Oh, and the lag/DC stuff is great too...

I don't want someone to tell me to "LTP" (or learn to play for those not in the know). I was playing just fine up until a day or so ago - I seem to have accidentally jumped into the "must know everything and have a super script set up" level. How do I go back?

So, can I get my $77 back? I do not want to just play low level alts, but I don't want to be forced to some specific build that makes me viable - I like how I was playing.

Dude, i was in the exact same boat as you until i respeced, i just theorycrafted my abilities, and made a build i was happy with 4 piece heavy 3 piece medium gear looks awesome, and i'm able to kill a lot now, i still die a lot, but most of the time it's because i haven't blocked at the right time, or iv'e simply been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
you dont need to L2P you just need to think a little bit more it seems.

Islyn

VR4 bow only NB and it IS a L2P issue I'm afraid.

phairdon

Yeah; find groups of 3 difficult too; especially so if one or two happen to be a healer (I'm vet 4). Made my way into vet 5 content tonight. Was swiftly taken out by 3 quest related npc's at a camp (probably boss level). Also struggled with regular enemy level npc's in groups of 3.
This is where grouping with any other players doing the same quest becomes a necessity. Although there can be times when getting help seems an impossibility.

strefilb14_ESO

The "lowest common denominator" pays just as much as the super 1337 kids every *** month. My guess is the lcd's money is just as green as the 1337 money and I bet there are more of them. If Zeni wants to stay in business they have to learn what EVERY OTHER MMO PUBLISHER has learned...you CANNOT develop a game for 20% of your player base and still make money.

The problem with veteran content isn't that everyone who has trouble needs to learn to play, of course. The problem is that it was designed for groups. Devs said it early on but nobody really understood what a huge part of the game veteran content is. Zeni will learn once their profit charts start showing that inevitable downward trend and they will make knee-jerk fixes trying to keep people playing. Maybe it will work and maybe it wont, but it is going to happen

Enkshar

The problem i see is that 1-50 questing doenst lead u to trying better stuff for ur gameplay beacuse almost any build is more than viable to get u to VR. Then once u get to VR, most ppl, sooner or later, end up facing a big wall, and going through it, aint an easy task. It requieres lots of reading, trying and dying, specially dying, and this can be really frustrating.

Then u realice there skills u should start using, but most of the time u need to level them, and doing so while struggling with each quest aint fun. An when ppl dont have fun in a game, they stop playing it.

I see only two ways around this. U can either make 1-50 content scale more in difficulty so that when u get to VR levels ur build was "forced" to be refined earlier and u wont struggle so much later on. Or u can just nerf VR content.

I prefere the first one, as not every build should be viable or else u should scale content difficult according to the most stupid build u could possibly make.

The only thing i would touch from VR content is maybe the healing capabilities of certian NPC as they seem to have infinite magika and able to heal themselfs for more than 1K/sec, making some quest boss immortal for soloing

Reenlister

I see this, and one thing sticks out. Vet was designed for groups.. No it wasn't. Its still primarily solo questing, where you can still bring friends along for those dungeons, or find peeps out in the world.
Yes, the V areas are tough, but they are not the end of the world.
You as others have said, just have to change your strategy.
Read strategy, it doesn't mean you will need to run out and respect, you just have to learn that as you go along, to take a moment and think out what your about to do with the skills you have.
I have found that so far the Vet areas are even better for finding help when you do need it. The areas are not as full yet, and for the most part people see you in a hurt they will throw out the heals or jab a few baddies for you.
I also learned, and despite the many whine post recently about it, that those last solo fights in the 1-50 area are perfect the way they are. They are gates to the content, and a test of you.
Play how you want is thrown out all the time.. well you can, you just have to learn from those gates especially how to use what you have built.

EDIT: oh, as far as the groups, don't worry about that, plenty of Vet grouping coming in the Crag.

concobar

Unless you play a NB you should not be offering advise.

Reenlister

concobar wrote: »

Unless you play a NB you should not be offering advise.

If your directing that at me, then I must say, gee sorry, didn't realize this was a NB only discussion.

kirnmalidus

Avidus wrote: »

I am above all else a crafter, all I do is make things, I have spent probably 9/10 skill points in crafting.
I play combat as a sorcerer Healer.

Having 9/10 points in crafting skills by Vet ranks isn't a dedicated crafter. I'm not even a crafter and I probably have 55 or so points in Clothing, Provisioning and Woodworking.

kirnmalidus

AryaWythers wrote: »

Maybe this should be interpreted on how much this paying customer loves the game and wants it to succeed, it is those with little emotion over many issue that should be feared the most since they will leave the game when they have received their LOCUST fill and move on...like in every other MMO. The times have changed and companies should try to help the loyal customers first.

P.S. if you aren't from Zenimax he shouldn't be required to follow your ADVISE for proper customer support!

Maybe you should go read his other thread before you comment on it. People have been trying to give this guy advice and he is just ignoring it and being kind of rude about it on top of that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/97228/mannimarco-locking-important-game-features-and-almost-impossible

GeronimoChief

So in short play the way you like only implies from 1-50 when veteran you have to run with premade builds that work at veteran and narrows down to single digits the amount of builds u can play with and enjoy the game,after veteran proly most wont enjoy the game since they cant run the way they want to (specialy with nightblades since a couple of builds only work for vet),play the way you like my ass....

F7sus4

kellemdros wrote: »

I couldnt disagree more with this post.. i never read guides and in ESO i build my character however i like..

What happens next is you fight a mob for 30 seconds slowly taking his health bar down, and then a min-maxed player comes in your place, makes "boom-boom!" and the mobs is dead in 2 seconds. This is surely pure fun.

kirnmalidus

GeronimoChief wrote: »

So in short play the way you like only implies from 1-50 when veteran you have to run with premade builds that work at veteran and narrows down to single digits the amount of builds u can play with and enjoy the game,after veteran proly most wont enjoy the game since they cant run the way they want to (specialy with nightblades since a couple of builds only work for vet),play the way you like my ass....

I don't think that's true per se (that only a couple Nightblade builds work in vet ranks). I'm at VR6 right now and I'd argue that flexibility is more important than a specific build. I've got about 17 active abilities morphed and maxed and I find that I am swapping them out to provide the necessary tactics for specific encounters.

My point is that at vet ranks flexibility is pretty important, and having access to a range of abilities to handle specific situation trumps a cookie cutter build IMO.

Weberda

I agree with kirnmalidus on the flexibility issue. I am swapping skills based on the situation a lot more at V1 than I ever did 1-50. Same thing with some armor traits too. This game makes you think and plan.

danteafk

You can get your 77$ back, just write the customer support. They are refunding the game.

For your problem, seriously, L2P Check your skills try different skills out. VR areas are easy.

F7sus4

And what this flexibility actually means? Eventually you do the exact same things - just with different skills. You either deal damage, stun, snare, leech, teleport, summon etc. The rest is about flavor and, more important, synergies. This is the second thing which makes your "build" more viable.

ZiRM

kirnmalidus wrote: »

My point is that at vet ranks flexibility is pretty important, and having access to a range of abilities to handle specific situation trumps a cookie cutter build IMO.

I soloed almost all the way through VR and only spent a few skill points on skills etc. that worked for me. I cookie cut right through the content. It's about the gear, which I upgraded with every drop and reward. I switched from 1hand/shield and destro staff. The only skill I ever changed was Crystal shards and Silver bolts when I needed to.

VR10 and 70+ skill points unused. I have all the passives I need also. I understand where flexibility is important but to put it plainly... many of the skills just aren't worth investing a point in.

kewl

Kaskako

concobar wrote: »

Unless you play a NB you should not be offering advise.

Why is that? Maybe you missed it, but the OP is a DK.

Sad that people assume someone struggling with VR content is a NB though. As a NB myself, i've been doing fine in vr content, even with 0 armour, repairs are a waste.

As for the OP, the only way to do it is try new abilities/builds, go back and collect more skyshards or collect the ones in cyrodiil, do the group dungeons to get the skill point, do the public dungeon group challenges. Get more skill points so you don't have to respec if you don't have the gold.

If you've already done that, you should have enough points for several builds.

frwinters_ESO

Reenlister wrote: »

vanderghast wrote: »

I am Veteran 1, have completed the quests in Coldharbour, defeated Molag, ... but Mannimarco... I M P O S S I B L E !

No, not impossible.
Very very tricky...

Took me two tries. NB Duel wield/Bow. Realized couldnt take him out Melee, so bow it was, kite around, dead. Next boss!

Grao

two_beer wrote: »

I didn't expect to get 4 pages of responses. Was the server down while I slept?

First I'd like to thank the constructive use of L2P. However I will point out that one often trumpeted trait of this game from the studio is that you can play how you want - so a heavy armour, staff wielding crafter is a great plan (btw, I tried that - it's not so good).

I'd love to respec and try some other builds, but I don't have any gold. Repair costs mean I can no longer disassemble the items I find for crafting skill gains and must sell everything I find, yet I'm still losing money - worse now that I'm trying the next zone. I guess I'll have to go back a zone or two (maybe back to lvl 50 stuff) and farm for a while.

I noticed a lot of talk about Nightblades - I never said I'm a NB. In fact I'm a Dragonknight.

I levelled up trying to be a tank. Sword/shield, with varied use of my DK abilities. By VR1 I just couldn't do enough DPS to stay alive. I put the resto staff into my second slot at some point so I could heal myself and others - seems "Tank" is meaningless in most situations here, but everyone appreciates a free heal. Once I learned I couldn't hit hard enough with 1h I switched to 2h weapons and now carry a big axe.

Using 2 weapons and swapping sounds like a good idea - I use the second bar as a buff bar. Swap to weapon 2, use all the buffs there (heals are there too), swap back and fight - the self heal lasts 15 seconds, so usually most of the length of a non-boss 2-3 mob group fight. Trying to swap and use an ability then swap back never works - timing failure, or some weird glitch often gets me stuck doing nothing.

Because I didn't approach this from a clear cut (cookie cutter?) perspective I have points in lots of things, simply because it sounded cool. Some don't work nearly as well as they sound.

As far as armour and armour sets I must not understand it. Higher armour should be good, right? It seems that isn't the case. I've got a bunch of points in heavy armour - I was a tank so that made sense.

So, I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and respec, after farming low level stuff for a few play sessions so I can afford it.

OMG

You are a dragonknight and you are dying so much your repairs cost you more gold then you earn? But... Dragonknights are the strongest class in the game XD

I don't know what you are doing wrong ( cause you clearly are doing something wrong there buddy ), but here are some hints... Try only going to the next area after you lvl or when you are closing to lvling. Second, I always encounter problems when I switch zones, but after completing a few quests it seems to get easier (I don't know if simply adapt to the general lvl of pain or if my character becomes stronger).

As for cookie cutter builds... I am a vr4 werewolf sorcerer, so yeah... Though I intend to raid, etc, I am being very careful following the build I intended from the beginning. The only adaptation I was forced to make is replace lightning staff by fire staff (the utility for lightning staff is not working atm, something ZoS promised would be fixed for 1.1)... So... Yeah, you can survive and enjoy the game without a cookie cutter build

zhevon

People who are successful (or fail) for that matter need to specify which zone they were play - the different Doisha geography makes a big difference. I have attempted Doisha on all 3 versions. The EP (before the nerf) went back when significantly overlevelled barely survived - duel wield. The AD (after the nerf) managed to survive (bow) - fight area much easier to deal with spheres plus a good bow AOE. The DC (after the nerf) have gone in at the appropriate level, but the fight are leaves very little room for manuevering away from her serious attack plus its hard to get the spheres. Went away in frustration due to the spheres. It was also impossible to kite-her out of the little room and cooridor area. I will have to go back seriously overlevelled. This is horrible boss design (or more precisely area design); it just is. I am having little or no other problems (other than the occassional times I have to go against 4 mobs simultaneously).

[Afterthough- at the time-of-all 3 did not realize my passives might have been all broken because of the little-known passives break on death bug. In the outside world once I realized that my NB got much easier to play - in particular stealth attacks actually seem to do serious damage now. I think I will try Doisha once more before being massively overlevelled in DC, althoug I am pretty sure I went into Doisha fresh before.]

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Reenlister wrote: »

vanderghast wrote: »

I am Veteran 1, have completed the quests in Coldharbour, defeated Molag, ... but Mannimarco... I M P O S S I B L E !

No, not impossible.
Very very tricky...

Took me two tries. NB Duel wield/Bow. Realized couldnt take him out Melee, so bow it was, kite around, dead. Next boss!

Bingo, if you are a classic "rogue" build NB then many many boss fights you win with the bow not melee since your survival depends on never being hit.