Angry... Really angry

two_beer

I'm used to MMO's. Played a lot of them, beta tested a few.

This one has me really upset.

First I seem to have hit the angry mark 1 day too late - I say that because my 90 day subscription happened already and I was ok with gameplay until then. 1 day later and I'm so angry I don't ever want to play again.

I hit VR1 and it was tough, but managable. I played smart, realizing I can't solo everything. Then I moved to the next zone as VR2. And I died. All the time. I'm now dying so fast and often that I'm out of gold for repairs. Oh, and the lag/DC stuff is great too...

I don't want someone to tell me to "LTP" (or learn to play for those not in the know). I was playing just fine up until a day or so ago - I seem to have accidentally jumped into the "must know everything and have a super script set up" level. How do I go back?

So, can I get my $77 back? I do not want to just play low level alts, but I don't want to be forced to some specific build that makes me viable - I like how I was playing.

Dita

two_beer wrote: »

... I do not want to just play low level alts, but I don't want to be forced to some specific build that makes me viable - I like how I was playing.

Hmmm . . . You can always become a bot - popular choice in this game this days.

Sorry, couldn't resist

Also I highly doubt you'll get your money back, my only advice is always go on month to month base at the new game at first. Good luck !

netsike

But the answer will be L2P...you have to change your abilities to better ones, that's why it's called Veteran. It's not supposed to be easy. I also died pretty often, then I started to use more CC-s, armor or health buff abilities and voila, I surive easily. I just had problems on V6 maps yesterday, so I had to check them again and I was still able to make it better. So don't give up and try it. That's the beauty in it, that it's not just brainless DPS anymore.

Syntse

By the looks of it I'm guessing minor difficulty adjustment to veteran zones coming in future. So many already saying it might be a bit too hard.

Kililin

If you dont have a cookie builder, switch to one.
VR1 and VR2 are not that much different, so i suspect your build was barely able to do VR1 but you could manage with you mentioned adjustments to playstyle.
With one of the cookie cutter builds it will be easier.

Hexagar

Ppl already got to VR10, many ppl, u know they had to go through the same content that u cant survive.. many of them the same class as u. So I hate ro say it but u do something wrong..

Lestierse

Sorry, couldn't resist



just joking of course

Xnemesis

One way to ease this would be to offer a free attribute and skill point respec. I only say this because lots of things that worked 1-50 wont work very well in vr1-10. This would alleviate a lot of complaining. They also need to lower the repair costs for veteran ranks and reduce the amount of damage your gear takes upon death in vet ranks. Reducing gear costs slightly would probably be a good idea as well. I understand your frustrations just try to group with people as often as you can

F7sus4

He's actually right. While I was being competent with Elder Scrolls game character-building mechanics in their earlier games (Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim), ESO actually pissed me off.

It costed me wasting four VR1 characters to see if I played "the right way". Yes, there are a lots of dead ends. To be competent, you can't just do the be-who-you-want-to route. You MUST know all the skill-synergies as well (which you can test only when you level your character enough), the item-sets and a lot of this hybrid crap.

However, when you get used to it, it MIGHT be quite satisfactory.

felixgamingx1

Ya You can't nerf classes and not give free respec. I'm taking a break from this game it only aggravates me.

Chirru

If you are playing a Nightblade...wait two or three month..they said they are going to fix the class... if you believe that....sigh.
Else, I am not sure about the true number, but quite a few Veterans play vegimites (a...sorry Vampires) and use mage and fighter guild skills instead of the normal class skills.

Yes, the veteran builds are pretty much cookie cutter stuff. I have good news... My guess is that it will all be sponge-cake after Vet 10. Every class will have one and only one successful build and if you do not have that build you will be (my guess) thrown out of groups, (some classes will not even allowed in) and since you can not advance without groups you better put on the uniform and be a nice and placid soldier in the ESO army.

Not sure this helped you... but this is the best i can do...after all, this is ESO.

czar

Xnemesis wrote: »

One way to ease this would be to offer a free attribute and skill point respec. I only say this because lots of things that worked 1-50 wont work very well in vr1-10. This would alleviate a lot of complaining.

Thalinn_ESO

This is clearly a LTP case. Get good man.

Hilgara

I seriously hope ZOX don't tone down the difficulty just because some players don't or won't put the effort in to learn their characters. It should be difficult as higher levels. There needs to be some horizontal progression where you have to fight smarter otherwise the power creep just gets boring.

Audigy

I don't know why you cant progress, but VR was not designed for lonely fighters in general. Its about grouping up, are there zero people around?

I am quite happy that they tuned VR in that way, its a real challenge for players and its an important task towards Trials and Dungeons or PvP and specific quest lines that will come in future.

ZO raises the skill level by its players more and more as higher you get in level, maybe the step from 50 -> VR 1 is too much (40-50 should be harder already), but the general idea is good I think.

Use Crowd Control if you solo, don't rush into huge mob groups and maybe upgrade some of your gear. Don't give up so fast

p.hurst1b16_ESO

two_beer wrote: »

I'm used to MMO's. Played a lot of them, beta tested a few.

I hit VR1 and it was tough, but managable. I played smart, realizing I can't solo everything. Then I moved to the next zone as VR2. And I died. All the time. I'm now dying so fast and often that I'm out of gold for repairs. Oh, and the lag/DC stuff is great too...

Ok here is the trick. Make friends, join a nice guild.

Get players to agree to abandon all quests and then all pick up quests together. Agree whether or not to use Intimidate or Persuade on optionals and agree to choose the TOP or Bottom option not including the Persuade or Intimidate.

Now you will stay on the same quests. Stay in party and be prepared to relog sometimes.

Try and make a 2 or 3 player static and agree to no quest outside of the team but to simply sell or craft or alt if one member is not available.

This will help you a LOT. I play in a 2 player static and we can flip roles and co-ordinate nicely. We even use a small TS server as well.

Even if one is not well or is tired we just alt and do other stuff and never complain and this keeps the static stress free and very successful, we play our main together when we are at our best.

Not the fastest way to level due to the downtimes but it is very efficient due to less deaths and more success against the tough stuff.

There you go, maybe something will help you find ppl to play with either static or temp static.

KerinKor

Hexagar wrote: »

Ppl already got to VR10, many ppl, u know they had to go through the same content that u cant survive.. many of them the same class as u. So I hate ro say it but u do something wrong..

Many of course got leveled by using what later were declared PVE and PVP exploits but didn't suffer any punishment for doing so.

F7sus4

The problem with respecialization is that you can reset only your skill points allocation and not skill-tree XP.

While this is logical, some have found that being in a need to level up completely new skill-tree at VR5, or 2-3 skill-trees (with NO quest xp-rewards) is real pain in the horse. Boss-farming? Yeah, really.

F7sus4

Chirru wrote: »

If you are playing a Nightblade...wait two or three month..they said they are going to fix the class... if you believe that....sigh.
Else, I am not sure about the true number, but quite a few Veterans play vegimites (a...sorry Vampires) and use mage and fighter guild skills instead of the normal class skills.

Nightblade = underpowered, yes the restoration-staff-hybrid sucks too.
Vampire = overpowered like bloody-mary-virgin-son.

Fairydragon3

F7sus4 wrote: »

The problem with respecialization is that you can reset only your skill points allocation and not skill-tree XP.

While this is logical, some have found that being in a need to level up completely new skill-tree at VR5, or 2-3 skill-trees (with NO quest xp-rewards) is real pain in the horse. Boss-farming? Yeah, really.

however those of us who think long term prefer this, eventually it you will never need to level up anything again, cuz you have probably already had that ability before

Xnemesis

F7sus4 wrote: »

The problem with respecialization is that you can reset only your skill points allocation and not skill-tree XP.

While this is logical, some have found that being in a need to level up completely new skill-tree at VR5, or 2-3 skill-trees (with NO quest xp-rewards) is real pain in the horse. Boss-farming? Yeah, really.

err you should be able to weapon swap before a quest turn in and lvl the new weapon line that way unless they changed it

Hearts

Perhaps we could help you, the purpose of the game is to change your build depending on what you have to do. Sorry but you cant force your way through the game, especially not in Veteran content, i died a few times myself so i kept changing some spells while sticking to my "pure Sorcerer" build.

So it would be good if you could post your weapon of choice and your class so we can try to help you without you being force to change anything but skills.

KerinKor

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F7sus4 wrote: »

The problem with respecialization is that you can reset only your skill points allocation and not skill-tree XP.

While this is logical, some have found that being in a need to level up completely new skill-tree at VR5, or 2-3 skill-trees (with NO quest xp-rewards) is real pain in the horse. Boss-farming? Yeah, really.

however those of us who think long term prefer this

You need to be patronising to argue your point?

Really?

Zaxq

Can we please stop with the Nightblade rubbish? Yes, there are some issues that need to be fixed - but theres actually nothing wrong with NB for solo levelling through the WHOLE game.


I (and many others, but I cant speak for them) have levelled through the WHOLE GAME to Vet 10 SOLO with absolutely ZERO problems.

I exclusively used a Bow to do it.

I soloed most of the public dungeons, soloed half the World Bosses and finished ALL the main quests such as Mannimarco (one that several people have been raging about).

Nightblade is fine. It most certainly is a learning and/or player ability issue.

I can count on my fingers how many times I died from V1 to v10.

Swampster

Chirru wrote: »

Every class will have one and only one successful build and if you do not have that build you will be (my guess) thrown out of groups, (some classes will not even allowed in) and since you can not advance without groups you better put on the uniform and be a nice and placid soldier in the ESO army.

If that's the future of ESO they can manage without me!

Zaxq

F7sus4 wrote: »

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Chirru wrote: »

If you are playing a Nightblade...wait two or three month..they said they are going to fix the class... if you believe that....sigh.
Else, I am not sure about the true number, but quite a few Veterans play vegimites (a...sorry Vampires) and use mage and fighter guild skills instead of the normal class skills.

Nightblade = underpowered, yes the restoration-staff-hybrid sucks too.
Vampire = overpowered like bloody-mary-virgin-son.

Nightblade is not underpowered.

Is it as good at AEing down easymobs as the other classes? no. Can it do other things better? yes.

And yes, some of the abilities need fixing/reworking (as with any month-old MMO).

However, for levelling to vet10 (even solo) NB are absolutely fine.

Edit: But obviously I'll take a free buff if its coming. Will make life very easymode.

Zaxq

Just out of curiosity though, OP, can you list the skills (including morphs) you currently have on your bar and also the level/types of armor and weapons youre using? (and which set-bonuses/quality of the armor/what enchants you have on it)

(would also be handy to know how many skillpoints you have and where they are generally invested).

reggielee

seems like you were happy with the game until this hurdle, quitting now would only ruin any future fun you probably will have overcoming this problem. I would recommend going to the forums, searching for builds and guides for your class. See what others who are succeeding in the same class are doing, how they are setting their health vs stam vs mag, what passives they pumped up.

It's not forcing specific game play on you, its adapting to new mobs, new strengths and attacks. If the game allowed only five attacks to work through the whole game how boring and mundane that would be. The beauty is that each class has alot of options for each encounter, the trick and fun is figuring out what will work for each, and the absolute feeling of accomplishment when you get it and triumph

but first... take a break, go do something else, you are too upset now. I bet while you are relaxing, your brain is working out strategies and it will be intriguing to figure out what is not working.

Fairydragon3

KerinKor wrote: »

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Fairydragon3 wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

The problem with respecialization is that you can reset only your skill points allocation and not skill-tree XP.

While this is logical, some have found that being in a need to level up completely new skill-tree at VR5, or 2-3 skill-trees (with NO quest xp-rewards) is real pain in the horse. Boss-farming? Yeah, really.

however those of us who think long term prefer this

You need to be patronising to argue your point?

Really?

I'm sorry but since ZOS does look at this, i consider my feedback just as important as anyone elses. Am i not allowed to do this?

Yankee

I always respec at 50 because by then I have a lot of wasted points in skills I have tried but decided not to use. It cost me about 12k-13k but I had around 70k gold.

I make sure now to have a ranged skill bar and a closeup/aoe skill bar. It is also good to have some CC and some sort of heal.

Just shy of VR4 now and I also die a few times every afternoon session. But I guess I am the odd man out in that I am still having fun.

Hang in there OP, I am confident they will adjust the difficulty and XP to be easier once they want people into new content.

Zaxq

Yankee wrote: »

I always respec at 50 because by then I have a lot of wasted points in skills I have tried but decided not to use. It cost me about 12k-13k but I had around 70k gold.

I make sure now to have a ranged skill bar and a closeup/aoe skill bar. It is also good to have some CC and some sort of heal.

Just shy of VR4 now and I also die a few times every afternoon session. But I guess I am the odd man out in that I am still having fun.

Hang in there OP, I am confident they will adjust the difficulty and XP to be easier once they want people into new content.

I really hope they don't start nerfing content to be "easier" based on the lowest common denominator.

The game is already pretty easy, with the odd challenging (and thus fun) encounter.