So are you going to subscribe?
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✭✭For the good people who are bummed out by the trash. Dont give up, let the trash leave, the community will then get better. Once the trash moves on to the next game that wont be good enough for them or make them happy, the rest of us will be just fine and dandy. Never let others suck you into their own misery just because they hate life. I hope you all (the good ones) stay a while.
This post is a great example of the quality of ESO's community. If those who stay (the "good people" as the person above calls them and himself) are indeed referring to those not satisfied with ESO as "trash", I can't have any hope for the future of this game. If from the start players do not respect the opinion of others, community will not become any better.
I already was turned off by how ESO's players address each other in ingame chats, the amount of direct offence and vulgarity which can be observed, so I am not completely surprised to see a similar behavior on forums. Shame on you.
I see this different to be honest.
People that defend ESO are not bad, they are just tired of constant insults towards themselves (people who like ESO) and the Dev´s who try really hard to keep ESO a civilized MMO.
They kicked out dps tracking tools because we the community asked them to do this. People should be grateful for this, but instead they complain that they cant abuse recount & co. at ESO.
A lot people who hate on ESO have nothing constructive to say, they want to play a different MMO, be it WoW, SWTOR or Wildstar. This is tiresome and because of this people are hoping that in a few days when the subs start, those who dislike ESO will be gone and our community can actually start to heal from their negative impact.
There are still rude people at this forum and in game, I also was called "Tank" instead of my real name. Did I like it? No I didn't, but I hope this was an exception and yes I also believe that once people need to pay they might think twice of acting up.
That said, WoW has one of the worst MMO communities these days and its a sub based game as well so we will see what happens.2 -
neocomab16_ESO✭✭✭I'm happy to read that most of you stick to the game. Good for me as I am not. Why is it still good for me? Well, I paid my 30 bucks for the game and ZO didnt meet my expectations. There's a lot of stuff weird, bugged, or missing. However, they need the funding to improve their game so it becomes worth playing again, for me. This is where you guys come into play. You need to stay subbed in order to guarantee a constant game improvement. Otherwise I cant come back, can I?
So stay subbed, so I can, at one day, at least 6 months from now, free ride on your efforts to support the game and harvest the fruits of your payments
Thank you for your support, thank you in advance
See you in 6 months maybe ...or not. Depends on whether you stick around or cancel your sub
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bugulu✭✭✭Already subbed for three months. I am wasting my money on services I'm not using anyway (Netflix, HBO) so even if I'm not playing ESO everyday, I don't mind.
I believe the game has great potential and from what I have seen from the developers, we are moving in the right direction albeit slow.1 -
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Most people who did not like the fundamental mechanisms in the game did not continue after the beta or did not even try it. Yes its fair if you hate the limited action bar or other main features you will not like the game.Gotta love the folks who say "PEOPLE LEAVING CUS THEY CAN'T HANDLE MMO LAUNCHES"
Has it ever occurred to you mental midgets that perhaps people leave because they don't like the fundamental principles or mechanics of the game which are not going to change in some magical hotfix?
Shocking. I know. The fanbase of this game is such a circle-jerk.
Most people I've seen are saying the same thing, or rather suggesting the haters move on instead of whine about stuff that simply cannot be changed.
As I see it the game has one major issue who is hard to fix, its the questing in group problems.
To some degree the broken quests then overflow with players however most of them has been fixed and issues is less as people is more spread out.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Zorak✭✭✭If I stay subscribed will be because of TES. I do this because it's a way of life, "having fun" is not enough for me.
and here in lies the problem with gaming today. People treat gaming like a way of life or there entire lives instead of playing to have fun.. I mean really?
WHAT REASON IS THERE OTHER THAN TO HAVE FUN?
are you accomplishing anything? no
are you making money? no
what are you honestly expecting?
@Laura I play videogames since I was 2 years old, it is a way of life. No, I don't make money from it; in fact, if I have to play videogames for living probably I'll quit.
I'm really interested in see how this game develop, "Elders Scrolls" is not just another name. However, while experiencing videogames sometimes you have "fun" and sometimes you don't. I'm aware of that.
Ask yourself, can you recognize a piece of good (or bad) music even if you don't like it?. Well, the same happens in videogames, some games are pieces of art but are boring, and probably the mass won't like them. By the contrary, some are extremely simple and are fun.
TESO PvP for example, do I have fun in it? NO, but they worked hard and it is very well done (except some class balances but that is another story).
What I expect?. I expect this game grows and become a success in every way. I'd like to see every piece (I'm talking about the mechanics not if the game has bugs or not) working as swiss clock.
Laura is right.
Your statement that, for you, "having fun is not enough for me"...is just sad, really.
You gotta play video games for FUN. If it ain't fun for you...don't play it.
I play video games since I was 2-3 years old on my Atari and my old 486. But I know that REAL LIFE is even better.
There will always be a new game.
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Playing games since two is intetesting. You could not even talk, yet you played games on first era pc. Good one:-)1 -
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✭✭sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »Playing games since two is intetesting. You could not even talk, yet you played games on first era pc. Good one:-)
Ya I wondered about this as well
I know Atari and the whole 386, 486 DX2 ... and baby hands are to small for the controllers from back in the days and not knowing the alphabet was also a bit of a problem with the keyboard.
But maybe he was a super baby
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Reavan✭✭✭I unsubbed due to going on holiday and also incase something horrible happend in my time away, i guess thats a lack of trust on my part however....
I have decided to resub when i return.
I was glad when they started making more dev posts lately and thats a big boost for me.
I was not happy with the pvp problems we have had, shield spammers, bash spammers, swarm spammers. Etc.
They have confirmed it is a problem and say they intend to fix it so that is enough for me.
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Alestair✭✭Hey, as long as they fix the "One person takes on the whole faction which is either DKVamp or SorcVamp" I will re-sub.. Ive fought against non DK vamps and non Sorc vamps and was fair game even though I died... but if they are Vamps..You are going to lose...Fix that, and then the game will succeed.. and you can quote me on that, which is I repeat "Fix that, and then the game will succeed" as for economy, who cares about the economy, you can get stuff yourself, Gold isn't an issue, only for repairing your armor and respecs.. Fix the Vamp issue, and boom...you will see more and more going into cyrodiil to have fun.0
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Laerian✭✭✭If I stay subscribed will be because of TES. I do this because it's a way of life, "having fun" is not enough for me.
and here in lies the problem with gaming today. People treat gaming like a way of life or there entire lives instead of playing to have fun.. I mean really?
WHAT REASON IS THERE OTHER THAN TO HAVE FUN?
are you accomplishing anything? no
are you making money? no
what are you honestly expecting?
@Laura I play videogames since I was 2 years old, it is a way of life. No, I don't make money from it; in fact, if I have to play videogames for living probably I'll quit.
I'm really interested in see how this game develop, "Elders Scrolls" is not just another name. However, while experiencing videogames sometimes you have "fun" and sometimes you don't. I'm aware of that.
Ask yourself, can you recognize a piece of good (or bad) music even if you don't like it?. Well, the same happens in videogames, some games are pieces of art but are boring, and probably the mass won't like them. By the contrary, some are extremely simple and are fun.
TESO PvP for example, do I have fun in it? NO, but they worked hard and it is very well done (except some class balances but that is another story).
What I expect?. I expect this game grows and become a success in every way. I'd like to see every piece (I'm talking about the mechanics not if the game has bugs or not) working as swiss clock.
Laura is right.
Your statement that, for you, "having fun is not enough for me"...is just sad, really.
You gotta play video games for FUN. If it ain't fun for you...don't play it.
I play video games since I was 2-3 years old on my Atari and my old 486. But I know that REAL LIFE is even better.
There will always be a new game.
Well, in my opinión that's a very simplistic view of things. I don't expect everyone understand my point of view.
And what you call it "sad", for me it is sad that most of people seek only triviality. As a player I also have this side, I prefer those games where I have fun of course but that is not only thing I'm interested.
I don't want to start a discussion about this but I suggest you to meditate about what do you understand for "real life" before throwing it on the table like an ace of spades.0 -
What I think is sad is that anonymous self righteous individuals judge others for stating their motivations for doing things. Who thinks they have the right to call others "sad" for enjoying things differently?
So this is the ESO community at its best:
"You must enjoy ESO exactly the way we do or you are SAD WoW TRASH and we don't want you!"0 -
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Your statement that, for you, "having fun is not enough for me"...is just sad, really.
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What I think is sad is that anonymous self righteous individuals judge others for stating their motivations for doing things. Who thinks they have the right to call others "sad" for enjoying things differently?
So this is the ESO community at its best:
"You must enjoy ESO exactly the way we do or you are SAD WoW TRASH and we don't want you!"
Edit: No clue why quotes never work for me in this forum, lol. I either quote the entire thread or nothing at all.
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mutharex✭✭✭✭✭tdgeddesub17_ESO wrote: »
Your statement that, for you, "having fun is not enough for me"...is just sad, really.
What I think is sad is that anonymous self righteous individuals judge others for stating their motivations for doing things. Who thinks they have the right to call others "sad" for enjoying things differently?
So this is the ESO community at its best:
"You must enjoy ESO exactly the way we do or you are SAD WoW TRASH and we don't want you!"
Edit: No clue why quotes never work for me in this forum, lol. I either quote the entire thread or nothing at all.
He/she didn't say that. What was said is that people NORMALLY play games for fun, if one is using it as a substitute for Life, that's very sad. You might see it differently but that doesn't change the factEdited by mutharex on May 5, 2014 12:33PM2 -
Shimond✭✭✭✭Laura is right.
Your statement that, for you, "having fun is not enough for me"...is just sad, really.
You gotta play video games for FUN. If it ain't fun for you...don't play it.
I play video games since I was 2-3 years old on my Atari and my old 486. But I know that REAL LIFE is even better.
There will always be a new game.
Well I think he's either kind of nutty or he's just using a very narrow definition of 'fun' (which also means "entertaining" or "enjoyable"). I think he's using some kind of "kids with toys" version only or something, and not the broader scope of it (looking at art is 'fun' if that's what you're into).0 -
tdgeddesub17_ESO wrote: »
Your statement that, for you, "having fun is not enough for me"...is just sad, really.
What I think is sad is that anonymous self righteous individuals judge others for stating their motivations for doing things. Who thinks they have the right to call others "sad" for enjoying things differently?
So this is the ESO community at its best:
"You must enjoy ESO exactly the way we do or you are SAD WoW TRASH and we don't want you!"
Edit: No clue why quotes never work for me in this forum, lol. I either quote the entire thread or nothing at all.
He/she didn't say that. What was said is that people NORMALLY play games for fun, if one is using it as a substitute for Life, that's very sad. You might see it differently but that doesn't change the fact
Who are we to judge. It is personal. If he feels happy in life, then it is allright. I have a sad life for many non gamer people, yet I am happy every hour of life, but they do not see it. Do I care for them to understand me? Certainly I don't :-)
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ebunts14_ESO✭✭✭YES I am going to Subscribe. This is the best game released ever. Im taking my time and enjoying everything. No character is over 18 yet and I been playing since early release.
As more content is added that just means even slower leveling , and that is perfectly fine with me.
People knew that there was going to be bugs, NOT a single MMO released ever without bugs. Many MMO's had worse than ESO and a few better, but those didn't have the number of game systems that ESO has either. To think there wasn't going to be bugs is just stupidity on that person.1 -
Yes I canceled the game is utter garbage. Deleted my characters half way through the 20 to 30 zone. I couldn't stomach the game anymore
I swore i would never give these guys another cent after trying to pick something up and set it down to decorate my house in skyrim. Now I know forsure all never give these guys another cent of my money lol.3 -
demendred✭✭✭✭Well, I'm sure most people here who un-subbed are mature enough not to linger around a message board of a game they don't like.....
All good Nords goto Sto'Vo'Kor.4 -
Shimond✭✭✭✭Well, I'm sure most people here who un-subbed are mature enough not to linger around a message board of a game they don't like.....
I'm not sure if it's a 'mature' thing or more of a 'sane' thing, personally. When I quit a game (SWTOR for example where I was actively posting until the day I chose to cancel) I cease going to their forums.1 -
^^^ "A lot people who hate on ESO have nothing constructive to say, they want to play a different MMO, be it WoW, SWTOR or Wildstar. This is tiresome and because of this people are hoping that in a few days when the subs start, those who dislike ESO will be gone and our community can actually start to heal from their negative impact."
As with many of these games, the fanbase (aka those staying I suppose) oftentimes comes to detest the ~manner~ in which the haters conduct and express themselves. I am sure most couldn't care less whether someone stays or leaves, but it is the arrogant, mean-spirited and ~aggressive~ manner in which they do leave, that is usually what they take exception to. Gentle, kind and well-mannered people usually clash with those having little respect nor consideration for the feelings of others, and that includes the incessant vitriol directed toward ZOS whose supreme effort and toil (never mind risk) was required to put a game like ESO together.
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Zorak✭✭✭sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »Playing games since two is intetesting. You could not even talk, yet you played games on first era pc. Good one:-)
Ya I wondered about this as well I know Atari and the whole 386, 486 DX2 ... and baby hands are to small for the controllers from back in the days and not knowing the alphabet was also a bit of a problem with the keyboard.
But maybe he was a super baby
Hmm...really ??
Because I wasn't lying. I did play alot on my parents old Atari.
But maybe your definition of "playing" is wrong. lol
A very young kid playing with an Atari is very different than an adult. It's more like smashing the button (atari) and looking at the screen.
And I did played on my old 486 too. (I was a bit older, but not even 6 years old)
I remember playing lots of oldies like Battle Chess, Wolfstein 3d, Full Throttle, Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Quake and many others.
I was so young that one of my parents had to stand next to me when I was playing the last level of the first episode of Wolfenstein 3D. I was so afraid of that boss. lol
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Later my mind was so corrupted by heavy metal and countless hours playing Doom (and Doom 2) that no other video games scared me....besides Resident Evil 2 (Licker jumping through the interrogation room glass...anyone???)
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pokebreaker✭✭✭Well, I'm sure most people here who un-subbed are mature enough not to linger around a message board of a game they don't like.....
Yeah, maturity isn't even a factor here, nice try though. Some, like myself, are "mature" enough to monitor forums of games we might come back to at a future date. It's the best way to read about updates and future plans. Who knows, there may be something that brings me back in.
I see this different to be honest.
People that defend ESO are not bad, they are just tired of constant insults towards themselves (people who like ESO) and the Dev´s who try really hard to keep ESO a civilized MMO.
They kicked out dps tracking tools because we the community asked them to do this. People should be grateful for this, but instead they complain that they cant abuse recount & co. at ESO.
A lot people who hate on ESO have nothing constructive to say, they want to play a different MMO, be it WoW, SWTOR or Wildstar. This is tiresome and because of this people are hoping that in a few days when the subs start, those who dislike ESO will be gone and our community can actually start to heal from their negative impact.
There are still rude people at this forum and in game, I also was called "Tank" instead of my real name. Did I like it? No I didn't, but I hope this was an exception and yes I also believe that once people need to pay they might think twice of acting up.
That said, WoW has one of the worst MMO communities these days and its a sub based game as well so we will see what happens.
There are crappy people on both sides of the ESO debate. Both sides are tired of the unconstructive BS that comes from each side. On both sides you have people that can make a case for improvement, and it be logical and reasonable, even though they disagree. Then you have those on both sides who can't put a logical thought together, and they blindly defend their argument, apparently not realizing the damage they are doing.
It cannot be assumed that anything that was removed by "The Community", then was complained about, is the fault of ESO dislikers, but moreso those that were advocates of that particular change. I'd be willing to bet that there will be quite a few people who will stay subscribed, because they love the game, but still will have huge gripes with it. It's silly to lump dislikers into one category, just because it's easier. Not every player isn't going to like every aspect of the game, but that doesn't mean they should be cast out of the community as a hater.
Using other popular MMORPGs, to say that is what ESO dislikers want, is way to cliche. There is not very much unique about video games nowadays, so it's quite reasonable for players to be fans of certain aspects of certain games. They may not like the whole game, but just certain things. I'm sure we could all sit back and think about things from previous games we've played, and say that we would pull bits and pieces from other games to make our "perfect" game. Just because one game was the first to use it, or was the first to become popular for it, or whatever, doesn't make everyone that advocates for the item, a fan of the whole game. There are definitely things I would pull from other games that I think would make ESO better, but that is just my own personal version of entertainment, and don't expect others to agree.
The fact of the matter is, even after the subs start, and the "true fans" are all that's left, there will still be gripes voiced. Instead of hoping for there departure, you should learn to communicate and reason with differing opinions. Afterall, they are paying customers as well, and there opinions matter just as much as those that love everything the way it currently is.
The upside is that the Forum community in most games, makes up a massively small percentage of the total playerbase. So in actuality, the vocal few that frequent forums, often get to have games changed to their liking, just because the quiet majority haven't weighed in yet. It's not your fault that more people don't voice their concerns where they can be heard (they have just as much access as you), but we shouldn't assume that everyone in the game agrees, just because there is no (or few) opposing arguments in the forums. Sure, push your agenda, but don't bite off the head of the few that actually disagree.2 -
nhisso✭✭✭✭So many gamers are a perfect mirror of many things wrong with society. Self-entitlement, trying to stop other from having certain options because someone else doesn't have the discipline not to use an option they don't like (like people who have the nerve to say we shouldn't have player housing or a barber shop because they don't want them or like them), and haters who hate to prove they are different than everyone else, not susceptible to enjoying something that is popular or hyped, or worst of all, because something isn't perfect. So many fun MMOs end up going F2P or fail because people have ridiculous expectations, mostly based on the things I just mentioned. Oh! And I forgot about the people who rush to level cap and then rush to do all the content in a game just whine that there is not enough content or enough/good enough end game for them. It's all pretty pathetic.
Im subbing. This is a great game, despite imperfections and the problems it has. So go back to your MMOs that have had 10 years of polish and your stand-still auto-attack games and enjoy them. No one is stopping you. I enjoy those games, too. (although many of those are failing or have gone f2p because of the same whiny, sad gamers that would rather *** n moan about everything than enjoy what they are playing) But honestly, how horrible and lame is your life that you come to the forums of a game you don't like just so you can b**** about it?
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Chryos✭✭✭✭If I offended anyone by the term "trash", I apoligize I mean those who cruelly troll, whether it's in the forums or in game. This term does not apply to those who just dont like the game for various reasons. I was targeting those who thrive on ruining the game for others. For example, there are people who have posted comments with phrases like "you smelly nerds" or "pathetic losers" and the list goes on. That is the trash I am reffering to that cause good people to not want to play the game.If I am going to quote someone, it's going to be me.0 -
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It looks like some people has very boring lives.Well, I'm sure most people here who un-subbed are mature enough not to linger around a message board of a game they don't like.....
I'm not sure if it's a 'mature' thing or more of a 'sane' thing, personally. When I quit a game (SWTOR for example where I was actively posting until the day I chose to cancel) I cease going to their forums.
Far worse than the once who play MMO all the time must be the ones who hang around on forums all day bashing a game they don't play Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
