Veteran Rank Fail!

DanMan3395

gothicsatanica wrote: »

Am i the only one who is angry with how veteran rank was added to the game... I don't want to be forced to do other factions quests if I wanted to play as that faction I would of made my character in that faction in the first place, also the fact that dungeons grinding and player vs player gives next to no veteran experience.Its lazy and i think if they don't make a change the game is going free to play, I my self have ceased playing and i can see a lot of other players doing the same once they see how lazy and broken end game is....... I been playing elder scrolls games since Arena and playing mmo's for 13 years this is a big let down.

yep, totally agree. Boggles my mind that a game with a $200 million budget can be so lackluster in implementation.

Danjc2

Brank wrote: »

Potential endgame spoiler below

I agree. My toon HATES elves. And now i have to become the lapdog of the pointy-eared queen of a race that sees the race of Men as lesser beings?

I also agree that it's cool to have the OPTION to do this, but at this point, if you want veteran ranks, the ONLY effective way of levelling up past V1 is to go and save a bunch of elves days!

My character would place my axe firmly in Queen Aryenn's pompous head if he got close enough to call her "My queen". /spit

EDITED because I forgot to add: THIS IS WAR. according to the story, I VANQUISHED Molag Bal, and SHATTERED his attempt to merge Cold Harbour and Nirn. Now, it is time to do the same to the other alliances and their attempt to crown their own emperor - not aid them in the war effort and home front.

My point, and I think the point of OP, is simply to leave this as an option, and give us a chance to effectively reach V10 in our alliance territory/cyrodiil.

If this is what you took from the main quest line, you seriously weren't paying attention.

It's very clearly stated that there is bigger *** for you, and for Tamriel, to worry about than the squabbling of your races, and the entire point of the veteran ranks is that as one of the biggest players in the game of Daedric Chess that's going on, YOU personally need to have a more total understanding of the other factions, their lives, their existence as people, in order to even have a CHANCE of survival.

For christ's sake you just finished Coldharbour populated by nothing but Fighter's and Mage's Guild members, notoriously MIXED SPECIES independent factions.

If you can't integrate the lore of the game into your character lore, that's your problem, and in no way a problem with the game.

DanMan3395

Lalai wrote: »

I disagree. I'm very much so looking forward to doing the other areas on my healer. I like the idea of gaining further levels in a powerful version of other faction's areas. I love that I can see all the content on one character. I've been playing MMOs for 11 years (almost 12), and I've played Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.. and this MMO is the most fun and involving that I've played in a long time. Does that mean my opinion cancels yours out, effectively?

I love how almost everyone that dislikes something about the game claims that something is going to be the reason the game goes F2P.

In what context does it make sense for a guy from an enemy faction to stroll into a town and start doing missions for the townsfolk he is at war with?

Remember during WW2 when that small group of ***'s came to west texas and performed all that charity work? Seriously dude, this to me completely ruins immersion. The reality is its lazy development and a last minute attempt to deal with "entity players" instead of "Character Players". If you do not understand what that last sentence means then you are in the wrong genre anyway.

DanMan3395

Mie87 wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

I like that char development and questing doesn't end at 50 like with all other MMO´s out there.

The boring item grind by doing dungeons and raids as soon you hit max level is no fun at all. Once you did it all once, you don't have a real reason to do it again as you don't gain anything except items.

TESO has a much better system there.

Agreed, I just wish this 50+ content wasn't the other alliances' zones.

+1

DanMan3395

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

I would have suggested you actually research on what Veteran Ranks are before making this thread...it's a disturbing trend that people hardly know a lot of facts before coming to the forums to vent....

Do you even understand what he is talking about? You wander around in THE ENEMY FACTION ZONE AS A GHOST QUESTING WITHOUT INTERACTION WITH THE ENEMY EVER.

Sorry for the caps but not only is that probably one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen in an mmo, but from a world-pvp standpoint and a complete logical point.

And then they give us some mage quest that tries to "justify" that we can wander around as veterans. seriously?

Cant you all see that this is just a slacky, sloppy and utter fail quick "oh-***" implementation of content to keep us busy?

Sorry but Im not going to pay monthly for this.

nailed it EXACTLY! +1

DanMan3395

zaria wrote: »

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

I would have suggested you actually research on what Veteran Ranks are before making this thread...it's a disturbing trend that people hardly know a lot of facts before coming to the forums to vent....

Do you even understand what he is talking about? You wander around in THE ENEMY FACTION ZONE AS A GHOST QUESTING WITHOUT INTERACTION WITH THE ENEMY EVER.

Sorry for the caps but not only is that probably one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen in an mmo, but from a world-pvp standpoint and a complete logical point.

And then they give us some mage quest that tries to "justify" that we can wander around as veterans. seriously?

Cant you all see that this is just a slacky, sloppy and utter fail quick "oh-***" implementation of content to keep us busy?

Sorry but Im not going to pay monthly for this.

Yes, the 50+ and 50++ content is obviously an easy way to add more content to the endgame.

It would be very hard to add 200% more quest and areas to the faction for players who wanted to continue with quests after reaching VR1.
The other option would be daily quests and reputation grinding as in WOW endgame who i think most agree is an worse solution.

BS, They have been making this game for several YEARS! I love the elder scrolls but that doesn't mean I shouldn't demand more than 2 months of logical, immersive content. I THOUGHT that is what I was getting in exchange for the subscription fee.

LadyChaos

only on the lore concerns about playing as the other factions.

without spoilers... the last storyline quest explains why you are are in "enemy territory".. and why even though you unjustly hate elves, or are one of the lesser races given a wonderful opportunity to live among the graceful elves, you must experience your enemies lives.../queue foreshadowing

Altheina

I think the implementation of veteran quests in the opposing areas is fine not so much for realism purpose, but for allowing players to experience other regions contents without having to level another character.

We can never have so much realism added into this game for the fact that it may limit the ability for content creation. An example of realism made more depth is the inability for vampire players to collect certain ingredients like garlic.

Instead, what needs to be done is for veteran level to extend to other content like pvp, this way players who do not really wish to do quests in other dominion areas would be able to level their veteran level with other means(e.q. Cyrodiil pvp).

PS: I believe Zenimax could have done much more with $200million budget spent than the current TESO version.

InF13RNo

I think game is ok, if you look the map there are zones that cannot be explored. I am sure they will add tons of new zones to explore for additional VRs. You can see lore from other alliances, seems ok at least for me.

demendred

I would have been more upset if you were restricted to your faction. I like the fact that you can check out other factions. Yes, you can do that by making a character, but I'm not. Plus, I love the challenge. Love the fact that when I go in a public dungeon, I have more of a chance to get swarmed and killed, so I must plan carefully.

Bars

for me ( I hate questing ) it sucks ,but Imho they are trying 2 slow peeps down with no endgame raids yet , so they had 2 recycle the content

Loxy37

Well soon as all the people leave because they go on about broken this and that, the better in my mind. I will get more loot, a chance at a vampire bite and a better game to boot. If you think that the vocal minority leaving will hurt ESO then you are very mistaken! In fact it will probably attract more people because I'm sure if any new people/potential players were to visit this forum or reddit then I'm sure they would be off put by all the spiel.

I like the game a very lot and have spent most of the last month playing it and i still haven't got a character to 50, let alone V Ranks. Sure the game has a lot of glaring issues and bad decisions but you people burning through content, crying foul, broken this and that, make the devs job even harder. Just chill, even take a break and come back in a more positive mood.

Edit: to the above poster. Why doesn't ESO have a bank in every city or exchange? If you are in a guild then every bank has access to it. Comparing ESO to runescape is like comparing a Ferrari to a Skoda! Also you are always only 2 minutes Max from a bank or anywhere in the game via the wayshrines plus it doesn't cost a penny to port.

Bars

I hear u Lox but when its a sub game the issues should have been sorted in beta ( or most of them ) ,now it feels like I pay my sub 2 beta test , tbh u are right its time for a break enjoy your game and I hope they get it sorted

thantos911

Honestly I don't give a rats azz about the other factions. I hit 50 and pvp'ed since then. XP is horrible and I find myself having to go back and grind coldharbor for greens/money for this and that. Other then that though i don't touch pve nor the VR quest zones that i don't care to do. Yes it is way way slower lvling now they nerfed all the quest in pvp. Seems they want you to do the other zones and not pvp level. Don't matter i just keep pvping, made VR2 so far in pvp playing stictly pvp only. Just takes 10 times as long as a pve player.

Lalai

DanMan3395 wrote: »

In what context does it make sense for a guy from an enemy faction to stroll into a town and start doing missions for the townsfolk he is at war with?

Remember during WW2 when that small group of ***'s came to west texas and performed all that charity work? Seriously dude, this to me completely ruins immersion. The reality is its lazy development and a last minute attempt to deal with "entity players" instead of "Character Players". If you do not understand what that last sentence means then you are in the wrong genre anyway.

I don't consider it lazy development.. that's your opinion. Lazy is completely subjective. I also don't really care if it ruins your personal immersion.. call me selfish or whatever, but I'm not paying for your enjoyment, I'm paying for mine. I like to explore all the stuff, on one character when possible. I like that this game allows me to do it. I don't know what amount of sense it makes as I haven't gotten to a point where I do that yet (only 42).. I was expressing that I -like- that it's an option in this game. That's my opinion, if yours is different fine.. what you find fun is likely different. Doesn't make you right anymore than it makes me right. I'm just lucky that what I like is currently in the game.. and it's one of the things that draws me to it. Funny how that works.

I'd honestly have to Google whatever "entity players" versus "character players" are if I was even slightly interested. I could probably ask my boyfriend, he's a programmer, but I really don't care. I'm not in the wrong genre either. I play games for fun, I like what I consider immersion on my end, and a game doesn't have to be realistic for me to be immersed necessarily. I've been playing MMOs, and TES games for years, and finding them quite fun... the genre doesn't belong to any one specific group, and people are going to play for fun.. it's not some fancy place where you need to know specific terms, or have background knowledge to get into it.. that's one of the great things about games.. but thanks for trying to dictate what you seem to think I should be interested in.

Demonsmaw

I like the idea of having a single character rather than multiple ones. It might be nice to add another class to your abilities when doing so but I guess that would end up unbalancing things too much.

Its not like they are just re-doing the same content (like Diablo 3 and any other game that does the same thing).

Kronosphere

gothicsatanica wrote: »

Am i the only one who is angry with how veteran rank was added to the game... I don't want to be forced to do other factions quests if I wanted to play as that faction I would of made my character in that faction in the first place, also the fact that dungeons grinding and player vs player gives next to no veteran experience.Its lazy and i think if they don't make a change the game is going free to play, I my self have ceased playing and i can see a lot of other players doing the same once they see how lazy and broken end game is....... I been playing elder scrolls games since Arena and playing mmo's for 13 years this is a big let down.

So to confirm. u want to HAVE to reroll a new character to go everywhere and u claim to be a elder scrolls "fan" but u have 0 interest in seeing all the other places?

report this guy for trolling 1/10 would not read again

Mie87

zaria wrote: »

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

I would have suggested you actually research on what Veteran Ranks are before making this thread...it's a disturbing trend that people hardly know a lot of facts before coming to the forums to vent....

Do you even understand what he is talking about? You wander around in THE ENEMY FACTION ZONE AS A GHOST QUESTING WITHOUT INTERACTION WITH THE ENEMY EVER.

Sorry for the caps but not only is that probably one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen in an mmo, but from a world-pvp standpoint and a complete logical point.

And then they give us some mage quest that tries to "justify" that we can wander around as veterans. seriously?

Cant you all see that this is just a slacky, sloppy and utter fail quick "oh-***" implementation of content to keep us busy?

Sorry but Im not going to pay monthly for this.

Yes, the 50+ and 50++ content is obviously an easy way to add more content to the endgame.

It would be very hard to add 200% more quest and areas to the faction for players who wanted to continue with quests after reaching VR1.
The other option would be daily quests and reputation grinding as in WOW endgame who i think most agree is an worse solution.

I'd still like the option between the other alliances' zones or doing some dailies or something like that.
Main reason being that if I level through the other zones, there is no more fun for my alts in it, let alone that I don't want my dunmer doing daggerfall quests, as that is just plain weird.

Asava

Loxy37 wrote: »

Well soon as all the people leave because they go on about broken this and that, the better in my mind. I will get more loot, a chance at a vampire bite and a better game to boot. If you think that the vocal minority leaving will hurt ESO then you are very mistaken! In fact it will probably attract more people because I'm sure if any new people/potential players were to visit this forum or reddit then I'm sure they would be off put by all the spiel.

I like the game a very lot and have spent most of the last month playing it and i still haven't got a character to 50, let alone V Ranks. Sure the game has a lot of glaring issues and bad decisions but you people burning through content, crying foul, broken this and that, make the devs job even harder. Just chill, even take a break and come back in a more positive mood.

Welcome to your first MMO then. I wish that games would recover like they do in your fantasy world. But reality is a cold bitter mistress. If people leave this game in flocks due to bugs, design decisions, lack of what ever then more people won't come to play it. Word of mouth is everything in gaming. Enough players stating that this game is f'd will be enough for the masses to not even bother trying it. There have been many games that launched horribly and never recovered even though at their core they're a really solid and fun game. Right now ZOS is dropping the ball with their customers because they don't communicate, make decisions that make zero sense to their player base, and don't fix the progression bugs. I know that I've had quests that were bugged out for a week at a time. That's not normally a big deal but it is when it's progression halting.

Amfijakerwb17_ESO

The VR ranks is obviously lazy game design. Its a way to create a massive time sink while not actually creating new content.

Im not saying that its all bad. The good thing is that i dont have to make an alt to experience it all. The bad thing ofcourse is that if i make an alt i will be forced to go through all of it again.

Csub

I can`t believe you guys are still arguing about this. If you had to do the whole game over again from lvl 50 to get to VR10 I would understand your issues but you are doing different zones. How much dfifferent it is than doing quests earlier? It is slower, yes (I know although I am far from 50) but you are doing this for 10 lvls not 50.
In other games, at least some time ago, leveling took ages, took at least a month or two to get to the highest level, are people really this spoiled now to want to get to max lvl in a week or two?
In most games, leveling is tedious, boring and people can`t wait to get to the highest level, here, as I noticed from the reaction of people in game, of my friends and guildmates, even on forums, most people love leveling since they can finally play an MMORPG and not another MMOG.

And to those who say "But what if I make an alt? Why do I have to do everything over again?" Isn`t it like this all the time? Please point me to a game where I can get different zones, quests, events, everything from lvl 1 to the highest lvl even for my 5th or 9th alt and leveling is still as much fun. Or just fun in the first place.

@Asava: Word of mouth is one thing but if I listened to every bunch of complainers/whiners about any game I wanted to play, I never would have played any game in my life. You will always find a crap load of complainers, or they just seem a lot since they gather at the same place, but theirs are just one opinion. It doesn`t make it right. Yes, you can say that many people say it, but then again, many people say the opposite or just think the opposite and don`t say anything at all since they know better than to start and argue with random angry people (from which most are doing this in their free time, looking up games, movies, series, whatever and just complain, start an argument, often troll.)
Billions of flies also eat poop, should we also start doing it? I mean that many flies cannot all be wrong after all!

Asava

Well Corky, we're arguing about it because it sucks. I just hit VR2 today and my first thought was oh yea, a new pve zone to quest in. I'm tired of questing already. I'd like a change of pace every now and then. Try a VR dungeon, ya right. Can't get thru anything but BC at VR1-2, most groups won't even take you to try the other 2 dungeons. Can't make xp killing mobs, grinding, pvp, delves, dolems, or group dungeons unless you have a one time quest. It's getting really boring really quickly. I can't click thru the quest NPC dialog fast enough....

Csub

I guess that was meant for me, Asava, not Corky
Anyway, if you are skipping conversations, you are not quite a fan of this type of RPG element in an MMO, which I understand, it is rare and we all have different tastes. I, for one, would hate if I had to grind pointlessly for XP, in that case I would be the one complaining.
I do wish, though, they made leveling up possible via PvP too, not for me, I stick to PvE, but it would both attract more people and make more people happier.

Altheina

This is why game developers always stuck in between players' demands as the idea of progressing through questing for veteran levels are a welcome sight for a group of players while it's not for another group.

The problem as I see is that questing is the only way to advance through veteran levels. One of the solutions of course, is to create another means for players to advance through veteran levels and pvp is one of the ways...

MKLS

Personally I love questing and immersing myself in the story so things are great for me but I can understand that we do not all have the same tastes.

Just a thought - perhaps the game is designed to allow players to level through PVP as an alternative but as its a new game that side takes a while to settle. Even getting very little XP per kill would add up to major XP if players were regularly taking part in the large battles so if they upped the XP per kill now it would be totally unbalanced later when the PVP area starts to really work as intended.

As PVP is so player driven I don't see a point in complaining about it as its really the PVP community that needs to sort themselves out - not the game designers - but if the larger PVP guilds got themselves organised it could keep both styles of gamers happy.

BTW by sort themselves out I mean that many PVP zones are unbalanced and fairly empty at the moment but if the PVP guilds got together and focused on one or 2 zones it would solve these issues until enough of the slower leveling player base got to join in.

KerinKor

gothicsatanica wrote: »

Am i the only one who is angry with how veteran rank was added to the game

Sadly not, there do seem to be a lot of sadly ill-informed posters round here.

You have heard of Craglon, haven't you , an ENTIRE VR ZONE!

soalrism

congratulation zenimax, you made the first themepark mmo ever with too MUCH content! in all games before the people whined about nothing to do after 2,3 weeks, here they are whining that the don't have nothing to do...

i wonder if the op has realised that they will add soon two more veteran ranks which you have to level? hope it will not kill him...

soalrism

KerinKor wrote: »

You have heard of Craglon, haven't you , an ENTIRE VR ZONE!

for vr 10-12... so this doesnt prevent you from playing the other factions areas to level from vr 1-10

zaria

soalrism wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

You have heard of Craglon, haven't you , an ENTIRE VR ZONE!

for vr 10-12... so this doesnt prevent you from playing the other factions areas to level from vr 1-10

You can do Craglon from VR1, yes its leveled for VR10 so it will be hard however parts of it will probably go well.

TieFighter

soalrism wrote: »

congratulation zenimax, you made the first themepark mmo ever with too MUCH content! in all games before the people whined about nothing to do after 2,3 weeks, here they are whining that the don't have nothing to do...

i wonder if the op has realised that they will add soon two more veteran ranks which you have to level? hope it will not kill him...

these people crying about not having anything to do after leveling- its their own fault for smashing through levels and not even knowing a thing about the story line and the quests they completed, or just grinding the same camp/dungeon for hours to gain level.