Veteran Rank Fail!

delphwind_ESO

I am really looking forward to running through the other areas! I was very excited at the premise of Veteran levels, specifically the difficulty of them. It'll be nice to see open world PvE groups forming!

Sorry this has been a let down for you. I've been saying it for years, this game will have a burst of people at launch, and lose 2/3 of its player base within 6 months. Luckily for ZOS I myself and many others are really enjoying what they have made and will stick around for years!

Bob

Agree! No choices in ES-based game. /sigh
No alts for me in this game...

timebandit_b16_ESO

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

I would have suggested you actually research on what Veteran Ranks are before making this thread...it's a disturbing trend that people hardly know a lot of facts before coming to the forums to vent....

Do you even understand what he is talking about? You wander around in THE ENEMY FACTION ZONE AS A GHOST QUESTING WITHOUT INTERACTION WITH THE ENEMY EVER.

Sorry for the caps but not only is that probably one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen in an mmo, but from a world-pvp standpoint and a complete logical point.

And then they give us some mage quest that tries to "justify" that we can wander around as veterans. seriously?

Cant you all see that this is just a slacky, sloppy and utter fail quick "oh-***" implementation of content to keep us busy?

Sorry but Im not going to pay monthly for this.

nerevarine1138

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

[snip, snip]

Sorry but Im not going to pay monthly for this.

One has to wonder why you paid at all, when you knew exactly what the content would look like at endgame, since that seems to be all you're interested in.

Getorix

I really like the way vet ranks work in the game, I like having something else to do when I hit "end game" besides mind numbing dailies and standing around a town waiting for dungeon ques to pop.

I also like seeing the other sides quest lines without having to make alts, I really hate alts, but then again im from the old school of mmos where it was difficult and took a long time to level and people cared enough about their main character they didn't need 5 alts to keep themselves busy.

Alexies

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but Im not going to pay monthly for this.

good, we need less MMO locusts who only want to race to max.

Selstad

Well, I guess WoW does it better then, hm? Lets stand in a major city and spam LFR and LFG while you make *** jokes in Trade chat and loling. Sounds like a "wonderful" end-game concept.

What Veteran Rank is, is an encouragement to continue exploring the world, continue to see what's out there and experience the game's quest from other factions without having to re-roll and play through it as a level 1. I think that concept is way better than having to roll different alts and level up yet again, you can actually spend time on your main character and continue building that one while getting more content out of the game.

In my book, that's a far better game design than what per example WoW does. In WoW, at 90, you're done, you're not encouraged to explore the world further, there's not much out there other than achievements. If you're not into that, or have an obsessive need to "complete" everything, there really is no need to venture further out into the world. That's one of the fundamental flaws in WoW these days, you simply stand around doing nothing except just standing there, getting your valour points capped and doing the required dungeons/raids. With TESO you actually get rewards for exploring (motifes, skyshards, equipment etc) and rewards for being out there in the world. Between the 2 game designs - WoW and TESO - which one has the better arrangement on the end-game side?

Inactive Account

OPEN POST TO THE RANTERS...

So it seems it took only two weeks for the Rants to start about "End Game Content".

If your style of play is to rush to end game content, within the first two weeks, of a NEWLY released game you may have to be patient and wait for new content.

It is, unfortunately, a result of your chosen style of play. You may think of taking a break from the game until more content is added; then you can rush through that and start complaining again. OR.....

You can keep playing the Veteran content and help work out some of the "Bugs" in this Newly released game.

Just my two cents.

Csub

I find it amusing how people complain about things here they would not necessarily complain about in other games. So, why is it a problem if you have ten more levels, or ranks, after lvl 50? That just means lvl 50 isn't the endgame yet, you still have stuff to do, places to explore, rewards to get, things to experience.

If an expansion comes out to a game and the level cap is increased by, say, 10 levels, will you also start opening threads in the forums and complain about having to do quests for ten more levels? That you leveled enough already so you shouldn't be forced to continue leveling to reach the actual level cap? If so, people must look weirdly at you.

You can also say you don't want to do the same zones over and over again with alts. Well, how else do you level your alts in most other MMOs? Do you suddenly get totally different zones and quests for all your alts? Nope. If you are a one character type of person, you don't have to repeat anything either in TES, if you usually have alts in mmos... Haven't you gotten used to doing the same stuff over again already?

I bet the case with veteran ranks is the same as with softcaps: the main reason why many people complained about softcaps is cause the game told you about them, they are there in other games, except you usually don't get a notification so you live in blessed ignorance. I bet if we didn't have veteran ranks but lvl 60 instead, a lot less people would complain.

Just realize it already, lvl 50 is not the cap, it is just a milestone like the older lvl caps in mmos with expansions out for them.

Atreidus

if they don't make a change the game is going free to play, I my self have ceased playing and i can see a lot of other players doing the same once they see how lazy and broken end game is...

I just made the real message viewable. Well...
There will be NO free to play for you.
Fare well if you dont like the Elder Scrolls games.

doggie

When I first heard about veteran ranks I was impressed and sounded like good fun to do the other factions at your own pace once 50.

But this system is not Veteran ranks at all, it's just 10 more levels that you have to do. You can't simply choose not to do them and go do the dungeons for example. If you want to do Veteran ranks dungeon you have to level up, you want to do the new adv. zone you have to do it. Many will rush these quests too to get to the new zone.

The way it's been implemented does not impress me at all. Would be much better if all veteran zones had been at 50, and you could sign up to the dungeons you wanted. Then progression could be like the undaunted skill line that slowly lvld up and rewarded more skills.

Then the quests could be there as a way for solo players to progress post 50 skills, and something players did between dungeons.

At end game instead of having the playerbase spread across all veteran zones, now all players will eventually be stuck at the highest zones gathering materials for VR10+.

Mie87

Audigy wrote: »

I like that char development and questing doesn't end at 50 like with all other MMO´s out there.

The boring item grind by doing dungeons and raids as soon you hit max level is no fun at all. Once you did it all once, you don't have a real reason to do it again as you don't gain anything except items.

TESO has a much better system there.

Agreed, I just wish this 50+ content wasn't the other alliances' zones.

Dimachaerus

Let's all stand in orgrimmar and queue for dungeons!

Gohlar

Dimachaerus wrote: »

Let's all stand in orgrimmar and queue for dungeons!

Imagine if the game forced everyone do this. Would you like it? No?

Then maybe you can understand some people not happy about being forced to only quest.

The biggest challenge in ESO is, by far, overcoming tedium. That's a problem.

Bob

doggie wrote: »

When I first heard about veteran ranks I was impressed and sounded like good fun to do the other factions at your own pace once 50.

But this system is not Veteran ranks at all, it's just 10 more levels that you have to do. You can't simply choose not to do them and go do the dungeons for example. If you want to do Veteran ranks dungeon you have to level up, you want to do the new adv. zone you have to do it. Many will rush these quests too to get to the new zone.

The way it's been implemented does not impress me at all. Would be much better if all veteran zones had been at 50, and you could sign up to the dungeons you wanted. Then progression could be like the undaunted skill line that slowly lvld up and rewarded more skills.

This!!!

Almost ideal "veteran" system advancement - in Age of Conan, RIFT or in The secret world.

The bad... well in ESO.



And system in ESO literally kills all alto-holics hopes because of this:

Mie87 wrote: »

Agreed, I just wish this 50+ content wasn't the other alliances' zones.

nerevarine1138

Bob wrote: »

And system in ESO literally kills all alto-holics hopes.

Because people always create alts to experience different stories. You know, because other MMOs offer totally different storylines for every alt you create...

Bob

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Bob wrote: »

And system in ESO literally kills all alto-holics hopes.

Because people always create alts to experience different stories. You know, because other MMOs offer totally different storylines for every alt you create...

At least most of the MMO can show you a different story or even two enemy factions with a different quest. In ESO it's all the same.

And also you cant level in PvP.

Getorix

Is the mob kill xp to quest xp ratio really that off at vet levels? I don't know the exact numbers so im not positive but it seems to me its the same, vet levels just take a lot longer.

Some people in this thread have some valid points but the ones whining that they take too long don't. I personally like seeing this experiment of putting effort and investment back in mmos which wow and the rest of the ADD mmos took out.

drakuel1ub17_ESO

I find there are two different ways to make MMO's today for companies.. One as you level your exp gained is less and less, or other neat tricks as you can only retain so much you learn in a day.. Either way the end result it slows down your player base so they do not eat through content like candy after Halloween.

This then generates tons of complaints and wines about grinding, and not being able to play for a hour and feel as though I accomplished anything.

Then you have the new way of today's MMO's make leveling content fast and easy but generate other systems to keep them occupied at end game.. RVR , Veteran Dungeons so on so forth..

This then generates tons of complaints of I'm done and bored and this OP's complaint.

Either way as a company who actually makes and takes the risk to make these games it is always a struggle for them.. It costs a lot to make content and besides that it takes a lot of time to generate content, no matter what direction they take it will generate player complaints and losses.

I personally think the development team made the correct choice in their option, for it hit's a much wider gaming audience and there losses from power gamers and levelers, they will be able to absorb in other ways. This is why coming out in console form is also very important for them..

They know there is only so much they can do to keep content flowing in game and appeasing the paying users, eventually things will come to a end.. But before that time arrives you want to leverage your profit making power as fast and as wide spread as you can.. Gamers tend to loose the fact that this is a business and this game is a product , just like any other product line you maximize your cost/profit ratio and leverage your line to the best you can.

Besides, this post and like many others will have no bearing on the team or this game.. The game design is what it is, you either except it now or move on! They are not going to change the core design just because you come here and scream I quit.

p.hurst1b16_ESO

People complaining about veteran rank have simply leveled too quickly.

Let us see how the community reacts to the endgame when at least 75% of the players have reached level 50.

All these QQ threads by people that hit 50 within a couple of weeks and now want to hit max VR in a couple of days is starting to look weak.

The QQ'ers are looking like spoiled brats that kick up a fuss every time they cannot get exactly what they want when they want it.

Trouvo

so lets see here...people complain because they think its too much like other mmo's then people complain that its not enough like other mmos, where to experience the other stories you have to roll an alt....*shrugs..."internet"

Personally I would consider "lazy" end game to be having to do specific dungeons repetitively to reach the "final" gear set..this is a welcome change, 50+ and 50++ zones(the other alliances) to me is like a giant dungeon with much more content than any other mmo I have played for end game, plus vet difficulty dungeons of ones we did before with a continuation of the previous story not the same story just harder like so many other mmo's....

I bet if there wasn't a single bug people would complain that something is wrong because of it....if this game isnt for you, then you know it isnt for you, you are more than welcome to go play something you feel that is, but a major design decision that is liked by so many but disliked by you does not mean that it is a failure, it is merely different or not to your tastes, even if so many also share your opinion, there are at least just as many that disagree, such is life.

OH and btw I am VR2 and currently in StormHaven doing VR content, and I listen to every quest I just have the added luxury of playing at work so by benefit I am able to experience more of the game and level at an expediated rate

Bob

Veteran levels IS NOT the endgame content... It's so hard to understand?

Brank

Potential endgame spoiler below

I agree. My toon HATES elves. And now i have to become the lapdog of the pointy-eared queen of a race that sees the race of Men as lesser beings?

I also agree that it's cool to have the OPTION to do this, but at this point, if you want veteran ranks, the ONLY effective way of levelling up past V1 is to go and save a bunch of elves days!

My character would place my axe firmly in Queen Aryenn's pompous head if he got close enough to call her "My queen". /spit

EDITED because I forgot to add: THIS IS WAR. according to the story, I VANQUISHED Molag Bal, and SHATTERED his attempt to merge Cold Harbour and Nirn. Now, it is time to do the same to the other alliances and their attempt to crown their own emperor - not aid them in the war effort and home front.

My point, and I think the point of OP, is simply to leave this as an option, and give us a chance to effectively reach V10 in our alliance territory/cyrodiil.

Csub

Brank wrote: »

I agree. My toon HATES elves. And now i have to become the lapdog of the pointy-eared queen of a race that sees the race of Men as lesser beings?

I also agree that it's cool to have the OPTION to do this, but at this point, if you want veteran ranks, the ONLY effective way of levelling up past V1 is to go and save a bunch of elves days!

My character would place my axe firmly in Queen Aryenn's pompous head if he got close enough to call her "My queen". /spit

EDITED because I forgot to add: THIS IS WAR. according to the story, I VANQUISHED Molag Bal, and SHATTERED his attempt to merge Cold Harbour and Nirn. Now, it is time to do the same to the other alliances and their attempt to crown their own emperor - not aid them in the war effort and home front.

My point, and I think the point of OP, is simply to leave this as an option, and give us a chance to effectively reach V10 in our alliance territory/cyrodiil.

Please add spoiler tag to spoilers, not all of us are there yet and most of us are interested in the story of an MMORPG for a change :P

No hard feelings or anything since it was kind of expected but still.

But yes, as others said, Veteran Ranks are not endgame, would people still be upset if it was simply called lvl 50-60 content instead of VR?

Brank

Csub wrote: »

Please add spoiler tag to spoilers, not all of us are there yet and most of us are interested in the story of an MMORPG for a change :P

No hard feelings or anything since it was kind of expected but still.

But yes, as others said, Veteran Ranks are not endgame, would people still be upset if it was simply called lvl 50-60 content instead of VR?

Edited, thx for heads up, hadn't considered.

My issue is not what it's called, but simply that there is no effective way of leveling past 50 unless you do the other alliance's quests - flawed from an RP sense. And also, If i wanted to play the other alliances with an alt toon, it would be a rather stale experience because i've played it already with my main.

All I want is an "option" that i can effectively level past 50 without participating in the other alliances.

Lagoz

So many players who haven't reached veteran ranks commenting on this thread.
With the current state of VP people who aren't V1+ by now will never reach V10.

That's how awful the veteran grinding is at the moment.
I have a slight hunch it will get "nerfed" when Craglorn comes. Just wonder why the devs are all secret and silent about it... Not to put off players..?

Kuettbullen

TieFighter wrote: »

dont compare this to other games and how it should be like other games to "survive"

The best and wisest thing anyone has said in this thread so far.

Getorix wrote: »

Is the mob kill xp to quest xp ratio really that off at vet levels? I don't know the exact numbers so im not positive but it seems to me its the same, vet levels just take a lot longer.

Killing 1 normal mob in Vet levels gives about 47 exp while completing one quest gives usually between 3k-4k.

NordJitsu

PvP actually gives a pretty solid return of Veteran Points, unlike the normal XP it gives while leveling.

zaria

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

I would have suggested you actually research on what Veteran Ranks are before making this thread...it's a disturbing trend that people hardly know a lot of facts before coming to the forums to vent....

Do you even understand what he is talking about? You wander around in THE ENEMY FACTION ZONE AS A GHOST QUESTING WITHOUT INTERACTION WITH THE ENEMY EVER.

Sorry for the caps but not only is that probably one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen in an mmo, but from a world-pvp standpoint and a complete logical point.

And then they give us some mage quest that tries to "justify" that we can wander around as veterans. seriously?

Cant you all see that this is just a slacky, sloppy and utter fail quick "oh-***" implementation of content to keep us busy?

Sorry but Im not going to pay monthly for this.

Yes, the 50+ and 50++ content is obviously an easy way to add more content to the endgame.

It would be very hard to add 200% more quest and areas to the faction for players who wanted to continue with quests after reaching VR1.
The other option would be daily quests and reputation grinding as in WOW endgame who i think most agree is an worse solution.

Turial

gothicsatanica wrote: »

if they don't make a change the game is going free to play,

LMFAO - stop it, you are slaying me.

gothicsatanica wrote: »

I my self have ceased playing and i can see a lot of other players doing the same once they see how lazy and broken end game is....... I been playing elder scrolls games since Arena and playing mmo's for 13 years this is a big let down.

If you honestly have that much experience then I think you need to smack yourself upside the head and stop acting entitled, people playing games longer and shorter than you have more patience and understanding about how things work, like for instance; you don't max level in MMOs within the first week and expect new content IMMEDIATELY and then blame the developers and stating the game is dying.

If you only want to experience 1/3 of the world then that is your prerogative, leave the rest of us to enjoy the whole game.