Veteran Rank Fail!

Thete

KingRebz wrote: »

but hes not the only one complaining...its all over the internet lol.

And so are the people enthusing about the game. There are always people moaning about any game. The acid test is whether they follow up on their threats to end their subscription, and we won't find that out until the 30 day period has ended.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people who make the time to comment on any product are the ones who wish to complain about it. The majority of those who are happy, are using the product.

Rev Rielle

Thete wrote: »

KingRebz wrote: »

but hes not the only one complaining...its all over the internet lol.

And so are the people enthusing about the game. There are always people moaning about any game. The acid test is whether they follow up on their threats to end their subscription, and we won't find that out until the 30 day period has ended.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people who make the time to comment on any product are the ones who wish to complain about it. The majority of those who are happy, are using the product.

Exactly.

KingRebz

the vast majority of people who make time to comment on any product are the ones who most likely bought it expecting nothing less than what the product consistently provides whereas in this case it doesnt provide the expectations of a normal Elder Scrolls gamer.

Tannakaobi

I agree. I think there should be more options to how you gain the ranks. I don't want to quest in other factions. I would rather just PVP to get the ranks.

Another point is that, if I have already played all the quests on one character why would I make an alt? To then expect me to play every quest again to level my alt is just crazy.

The Devs need to learn that MMO players are different and they should cater to these differing tastes. Some people just want to PVP, some people want to grind Dungeons and some want to RP and quest some people want to mix it up and do everything. I see no reason why a player can't level all the way by just doing PVP for example.

People that criticize other players because they don't want to play the exact way they do are just selfish. It's all about options. The more options you have the better a game is.

TieFighter

i sure you're wrong and confused, ESO didn't do anything wrong making a mmo version, alot of us genuine eso players from back in the day always wondered if and when it would happen... its the current player base that is being critical and making things out to be wrong. just because we have some different style players that chose to come to eso, only because its the new game, are use to grinding up fast without even knowing the story/plot of what they just did doesn't mean eso is doing it wrong...

nerevarine1138

KingRebz wrote: »

so your saying to the ESO staff to ignore us?

(Holy wall of text, Batman!)

Endgame level is actually VR10, and most MMOs start out with level cap at 50 or 60. They've already stated that more VR levels are being added with Craglorn.

And yes, there are plenty of requests, many of which have been/are being implemented. If you haven't seen that, it's because you aren't paying attention.

Shimond

KingRebz wrote: »

the vast majority of people who make time to comment on any product are the ones who most likely bought it expecting nothing less than what the product consistently provides whereas in this case it doesnt provide the expectations of a normal Elder Scrolls gamer.

In a rational world, this is true. On the internet: absolutely not

To the OP - you are free to just go play in Cyrodiil or quit at VR1 if you don't want to progress further. Personally I love the option, it's pretty unique in this genre to be able to do everyone's content on one character.

Armitas

As a MMORPG I fully anticipated questing.
As an Elder Scrolls release I fully anticipated questing.

If they made it so mob farming gave as much XP as quests then those who did quests, which entails killing mobs, would be over level every moment of the game.

There may be room to tweak vet xp from PvP without messing up everyone else if it is low.

KingRebz

Look at RUNESCAPE as a strong example..

there were 5 types of players which are all in this game:

-They had the wilderness which is our Pvp which is their main reason for the game. When they removed wildy they lost most of their fans..moral is to improve the pvp before it ends up like this.

-They had the skillers who were players who just grinded all their levels and the highiest level was 99 for a skill..which made the game last AGES to complete..here we have 50 lol..see my point?

-There were players who were just there for the money making business etc..banking, merching and even scamming lol..here is where the socialising comes in the most (communication)

-The questers who just did the quests and nothing else

-The players who did a bit of everything.

Point is each parts of this were pretty much seperate games implemented into one massive mmo. thats what ESO should have done..

rawne1980b16_ESO

dagnome wrote: »

the 25% will always whine about something.

Did you know that 99% of statistics are made up on the spot.

KingRebz

didnt mean i was paying attention ive got exams in 3 weeks and im stressing more about this game then my exams LOL..

KingRebz

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

KingRebz wrote: »

so your saying to the ESO staff to ignore us?

(Holy wall of text, Batman!)

Endgame level is actually VR10, and most MMOs start out with level cap at 50 or 60. They've already stated that more VR levels are being added with Craglorn.

And yes, there are plenty of requests, many of which have been/are being implemented. If you haven't seen that, it's because you aren't paying attention.

Can you please show me official statements or threads that say they are adding what we requested? as far as I know they are just making changes not adding anything new

TheCookisMonstar

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Veakoth wrote: »

There's more bugs in endgame veteran rank 10 than any other level but that's another story. They shouldn't have pigeon holed us into questing or not leveling and experiencing the other factions at all. Trying to make the game slower to level they have in fact ruined the endgame content for a lot of people who are focused levelers whom may have wanted to enjoy the story line but were forced to choke down hundreds of quests in order to reach the aspect of the game they wanted to play.
Now most people won't want to make alternate characters due to the linear route in which they will be force into all over again.

You can't be a "focused leveler" (read: someone who wants to churn through content as fast as possible to "win" the game) and "enjoy the storyline." Those are mutually exclusive.

I've been playing for 5 days of in-game time and I'm just about to reach 50. I'm sure you can do it faster, but don't pretend you were trying to take in the story at the same time.

Taking time to enjoy and read the story Smart gamer

nerevarine1138

KingRebz wrote: »

Can you please show me official statements or threads that say they are adding what we requested? as far as I know they are just making changes not adding anything new

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/04/14/ask-us-anything-craglorn

Ranks will now go to VR12. You cannot complain that you aren't getting enough communication from the developers if you aren't actually reading anything they say.

RianaTheBosmer

I have 8 characters and I'm planning to do ALL the content on all 8. They are all different.

Kolache

I do wish there was a surplus of options on how to level, mainly because it doesn't really feel like I'm exploring each map so much as having to strip-mine every inch to squeeze out every drop of content to level.

Personally I like the idea of visiting the other alliance areas though.

Lalai

KingRebz wrote: »

Look at RUNESCAPE as a strong example..

Things that work for one game, don't always fit or make sense for another game. What were good choices in Ultima Online, or Eve, or even WoW, that fit those environments, wouldn't necessarily fit into other MMOs well. When people argue against a suggestion it's not because they want the game they're playing to "lose", it's because they find things fun as they are. Selfish as it may sound, I'm paying for me to have fun playing the game.. so why would I want a change that takes away my fun to give you yours?

Yeah, there are some things that I think could change in ESO, there are some things I'd like to see added. However, I am not arrogant enough to think that just because I like something that makes it the right thing to add, or just because I dislike something that must mean the MMO is going to fail if they don't change that aspect. I also realize that people are much more likely to come onto the forums, or a review page, to complain than to express joy or like for a product. So what you get is something like "hey, these 50 other people on the forum agree'd with me, I must have a valid point on where the game should go".. when that isn't an accurate representation of the player base as a whole.

kongkim

Im really looking forward to get to the other areas

TieFighter

dont compare this to other games and how it should be like other games to "survive"

TheCookisMonstar

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

I have 8 characters and I'm planning to do ALL the content on all 8. They are all different.

I do that in many games... in fact in FFXIV I leveled all jobs, all crafts and all gathering to max in under 2 months. Then I realized how stupid easy that was and quit before wasting more time on a simplified game...

I like the challenges of this one.

ESeregon

I seem to be that old gamer that over time has just found the niche I desire to be in with MMOs. I always have explored the realms I chosen as my field of adventure and pressed limits to see every inch that game has to offer. Be it EQ, WoW, RIFT, SWTOR, LOTRO, or ESO. I wish to have fun in the game I play as I wish to my hearts content.
Yes! ESO has issues. Do I let it get to me? Not really as I seen it before and found nerdraging just causes stress that is not needed. So I send in my little notes to the CS departments on what is slowing me down and hope in time they get around to it.
I like the VR idea so you can experience the other side of the "fence" per say. I wish to gather as much about the lore and feel of this game as I run about the landscape torching the critters I encounter. I have reached VR levels, passing up my friends whom play on a more limited schedule. So to hang with them and play when they are on, I have another character to use to tag along and revisit some things.
Some like to push to the "end" asap and hope to crack out the big eggs they get to be part of. Some like to ride at a calm pace and wave away those that chuckle at them as they quietly fish next to a battlefield. It is up to you what you desire to do. And what so ever choice you make is what effects you. I can only help others so much in my limited hands held out can do. And seeing so much levels of rage lately makes it rough to not start looking if we agree or disagree.
Yet I will calmly ride the path I find fits me. I have faith in you each to also find the right path that is best for you.
If you seek someone to continue the fight in Tamriel with you, I shall be there till the Daedra Lords destroy it.

Dalexx

TheCookisMonstar wrote: »

Taking time to enjoy and read the story Smart gamer

Obviously ZOS is free to make their game anyway they want. The problem comes in, when you bill something as a MMO, but plan to do it so different than anyone who comes from a different MMO might say "what is this?"

I personally could care less about the story. There really isn't much that can be said that I haven't heard before. But I don't ding the game for that. What I do ding them for is, playing through the same starter zones, it's the same story over and over again times 3. I don't read or listen to hardly any of the VR quest, because of the ones I do pay more than 10 secs attention it, it's just the same story over and over.We have spies, seeking to overthrow and tear apart the current Govt structor. We have traitors causing faction strife and we have power hungry people seeking power.

I don't know how anyone can level through 1 faction and find leveling through another faction fresh and exciting. There is going to be a percentage of people who level 8 characters no matter what, even if it was killing Boars in 1 zone and Skeevers in the next. I think the current model will pretty much kill any replay value for a large number of folks and that kills longevity of the game. If I'm able to make VR10, I don't see anyway I'll ever level another toon, unless they offer some 50-75%% more XP buff.

But I should note, I don't really play MMOs for the story. I roll alts, because I want to raid with the different classes. I can accept that ESO may not be the MMO for me.

luckyjoemcb14_ESO

Dalexx wrote: »

TheCookisMonstar wrote: »

Taking time to enjoy and read the story Smart gamer

Obviously ZOS is free to make their game anyway they want. The problem comes in, when you bill something as a MMO, but plan to do it so different than anyone who comes from a different MMO might say "what is this?"

I personally could care less about the story.

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But I should note, I don't really play MMOs for the story. I roll alts, because I want to raid with the different classes. I can accept that ESO may not be the MMO for me.

ESO is not labeled as an MMO but as a MMORPG , Zeni has decided (wisely in my opinion) To focus on the RPG parts. I can see how this would throw off some people who are experienced MMO players. The Story is far from generic (again my opinion), and honestly there are some hilarious parts of this game that had me cracking up.

If this is not the game for you, I will be sad to see you go, and wish you luck in future games.

Zershar_Vemod

Dalexx wrote: »

TheCookisMonstar wrote: »

Taking time to enjoy and read the story Smart gamer

Obviously ZOS is free to make their game anyway they want. The problem comes in, when you bill something as a MMO, but plan to do it so different than anyone who comes from a different MMO might say "what is this?"

I personally could care less about the story. There really isn't much that can be said that I haven't heard before. But I don't ding the game for that. What I do ding them for is, playing through the same starter zones, it's the same story over and over again times 3. I don't read or listen to hardly any of the VR quest, because of the ones I do pay more than 10 secs attention it, it's just the same story over and over.We have spies, seeking to overthrow and tear apart the current Govt structor. We have traitors causing faction strife and we have power hungry people seeking power.

I don't know how anyone can level through 1 faction and find leveling through another faction fresh and exciting. There is going to be a percentage of people who level 8 characters no matter what, even if it was killing Boars in 1 zone and Skeevers in the next. I think the current model will pretty much kill any replay value for a large number of folks and that kills longevity of the game. If I'm able to make VR10, I don't see anyway I'll ever level another toon, unless they offer some 50-75%% more XP buff.

But I should note, I don't really play MMOs for the story. I roll alts, because I want to raid with the different classes. I can accept that ESO may not be the MMO for me.

I'm unfortunately going to come off as a ***, but from your post - TESO really isn't for you if all you want to do is just power-level, avoid all the story, and raid for the sake of raiding in the most generic of ways, then I guess you're "doing it wrong."

TEOS is supposed to be story, exploring, PvP, raiding, etc., all at once. If people just skip most of the story (as in for first runs of each faction) because story doesn't matter to you as a player...I'd question why one is even here in the first place.

TES is heavily lore based/influenced. It isn't supposed non-stop, constant fighting for no real reason other than to fulfill some generic goal.

That's just my opinion and I am not attacking you or anything for your reasons for being here - just saying it doesn't really fit with what TESO is supposed to be about.

Audigy

I like that char development and questing doesn't end at 50 like with all other MMO´s out there.

The boring item grind by doing dungeons and raids as soon you hit max level is no fun at all. Once you did it all once, you don't have a real reason to do it again as you don't gain anything except items.

TESO has a much better system there.

drwoody44b14_ESO

TieFighter wrote: »

elder scrolls isn't about grinding or trying to reach max level as one of the first pioneers. it is a role playing game to immerse yourself into and enjoy a story and feel you're apart of it. my first elder scroll game was morrowind, i learned that game all by myself- and when the story finally started unfolding in front of me i couldnt believe how my mind was blown and i knew i was hooked

Good thing this is an mmo first wearing the skin of the Elder Scrolls franchise.

Rek

It might be "lazy" but it triples the content without adding too much extra dev time. Usually we just call that "clever". But if you hated the questing, ie, your first 50 levels, then yes, having twice as much content still to go would suck...and you might be learning a little late that you don't enjoy this game. If you enjoyed the questing for the first 50 levels, then having twice as much content still to go should be exciting.

TieFighter

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

TieFighter wrote: »

elder scrolls isn't about grinding or trying to reach max level as one of the first pioneers. it is a role playing game to immerse yourself into and enjoy a story and feel you're apart of it. my first elder scroll game was morrowind, i learned that game all by myself- and when the story finally started unfolding in front of me i couldnt believe how my mind was blown and i knew i was hooked

Good thing this is an mmo first wearing the skin of the Elder Scrolls franchise.

regardless, the veteran ranks is awesome and allows us to continue the jstory of our character beyond level 50.

Dalexx

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

TEOS is supposed to be story, exploring, PvP, raiding, etc., all at once. If people just skip most of the story (as in for first runs of each faction) because story doesn't matter to you as a player...I'd question why one is even here in the first place.

That's just my opinion and I am not attacking you or anything for your reasons for being here - just saying it doesn't really fit with what TESO is supposed to be about.

No offense taken, I play many games and come to this conclusion often.

Every MMORPG is about story. People like to bash WoW, but WoW has plenty of story. There are people who level multiple toons (My wife being one of them) who only cares about the story, she levels at a fraction of my speed, because she reads every last word of every quest. I don't get that myself

I already know what 50-75% of the NPCs are going to say before I talk to them anymore. You need help, bad men took your cookies and you need me to get the cookies back. Those cookies were from your dying mother and they mean a lot to you. For my reward to rescuing your cookies, you'll give me a giant axe that you just happened to be carrying around.

I know some folks just can't wrap their minds around why one would play a MMORPG just for raids and such. In the first person shooter world, you normally have two aspects to a game. You have the single player (which I play and sometimes like) and then you have the Multiplayer, that's really the bread and butter of most FPSes these days. I care about the multiplayer part. it would suck if FPSes wouldn't allow you to play the MP player,until you went through the single player part to "level up" If they did, you would see folks speeding through, just like in MMOs

Sarenia

So endgame is bad 2 weeks after launch.

Imagine that.

Meanwhile, still having a blast at level 15.