ZOS banning cheaters - Question on the FoV addon/mod

PVT_Parts

I didn't even know add ons could get you banned at all? I thought anyone could use almost any add on... yes, please link this FOV add on, I want it. Are they really banning people because of add ons?

Attorneyatlawl

PVT_Parts wrote: »

I didn't even know add ons could get you banned at all? I thought anyone could use almost any add on... yes, please link this FOV add on, I want it. Are they really banning people because of add ons?

It's a third-party exe that is being checked for security and whether it fits within the game policies. Not an add-on.

PVT_Parts

Kyosji wrote: »

It doesn't matter if they said they were or they didn't. The fact of the matter is that you are adding something to your game that was not originally in it, giving you now an unfair advantage over other players. Am I wrong here?

Wrong, if this add on gives you a larger field of view in first person, it does not give you an unfair advantage because everyone else can choose to play in 3rd person and have an even larger FOV than any add on. Just think of it as an add on that removes your player's body from your 3rd person view. Not an unfair advantage.

PVT_Parts

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

I didn't even know add ons could get you banned at all? I thought anyone could use almost any add on... yes, please link this FOV add on, I want it. Are they really banning people because of add ons?

It's a third-party exe that is being checked for security and whether it fits within the game policies. Not an add-on.

ah okay, so add ons are fine?

Attorneyatlawl

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

I didn't even know add ons could get you banned at all? I thought anyone could use almost any add on... yes, please link this FOV add on, I want it. Are they really banning people because of add ons?

It's a third-party exe that is being checked for security and whether it fits within the game policies. Not an add-on.

ah okay, so add ons are fine?

Yes, in-game add-ons using LUA through the game API are 100% fine. This is a third-party program that attaches to the ESO process and modifies memory addresses to override the built-in FOV value while it is loaded. They are completely different animals.

mollyirma2000b16_ESO

There's no difference between this and the FTC Addon/Other PvP Addons.... Players who is running FTC has a pretty big advantage over players who don't and those Addons aren't banned, so why should this?

MercyKilling

Well, if a FoV enlarger is cheating, then so is using third person view.

elderscrollsb16_ESO109

The very question here is not what the program / addon do, but HOW it does it.

Addons use LUA / API provided by ZOS for players to use them.

An external program that alter the client in a way not planned by the game developers is totally different.

shadowedexistenceb16_ESO

Mishoniko wrote: »

For those of you interested in the science behind FoV and why it is important for games, this links to a video explaining it:

http://artsygamer.com/fov-in-games/

Wow. For anyone thinking there's an advantage to an FOV slider, you need to watch the video. It explains a lot. I could never play 1st person for longer than 20 seconds, it just felt so wrong. Now I understand why.

The FOV in first person should basically equate to what you see in 3rd person maxed zoomed out. The only difference is, you don't see what is literally behind you because you won't see your character's body standing out in the middle of things. FOV in first person is emulating peripheral vision, which no one sitting 2" from their monitor is going to focus on.

Maybe what we should be saying, is that anyone with a smaller monitor, or sitting further away from their monitor has an unfair advantage. Ban small monitors!


Edit: Apparently the mod in question in this forums is set to a max of 74. The video recommends 90-95 as being 'natural' for PC gaming. So I'm not even sure it would match 3rd person FOV, and probably still isn't enough to make it feel natural.

christian.griffinb16_ESO

Skillet wrote: »

Without a FOV settings being available for everyone in the graphics settings menu, it should be considered cheating. All modern games should have a FOV slider. Those that don't, well, its just lazy or rushed development.

Whether it SHOULD or not isn't the question, he's asking if Zenimax WOULD.

christian.griffinb16_ESO

Kyosji wrote: »

It doesn't matter if they said they were or they didn't. The fact of the matter is that you are adding something to your game that was not originally in it, giving you now an unfair advantage over other players. Am I wrong here?

So every AddOn ever made for any game ever is cheating?

Charg

christian.griffinb16_ESO wrote: »

Skillet wrote: »

Without a FOV settings being available for everyone in the graphics settings menu, it should be considered cheating. All modern games should have a FOV slider. Those that don't, well, its just lazy or rushed development.

Whether it SHOULD or not isn't the question, he's asking if Zenimax WOULD.

Im actually asking if it's okey to use the mod.

FishBreath

shadowedexistenceb16_ESO wrote: »

Edit: Apparently the mod in question in this forums is set to a max of 74. The video recommends 90-95 as being 'natural' for PC gaming. So I'm not even sure it would match 3rd person FOV, and probably still isn't enough to make it feel natural.

The game uses vertical FOV. 74 vertical FOV isn't lower than the recommended 90-95 horizontal FOV.

With 16:9 ratio resolution:
59 vertical = 90 horizontal
74 vertical = 106 horizontal

Xrystal

I think the main problem here is knowing what else that executable could be doing. Bear in mind that an addon is a script that has access to functions that the game creators have released to addon developers to use, less than what we would have liked but that is their choice. All these functions do is retrieve information or set information.

Addon's cannot write anything except to the saved variables file when you log out. Anything not inside that information table is wiped out of the file. Addon's can also not read in anything except files that store values and information into memory. Again this information cannot do anything harmful to the computer or game unless the creator of the addon puts an infinite loop into the game in which the game just locks up and you have to crash out. No, I've done this at all, much.

Now a third party executable could be doing anything as they have full access to software programming that addon's do not have, such as reading from any file on the computer it has access to, dependent on your computers security access, as well as writing to said access points. As well as reading in keyboard strokes such as when you log into sites and stuff.

So, understandably they will want to be sure that this executable hasn't been coded to do anything it isn't saying it is doing before agreeing it is okay to use, just in case it has been created for nefarious reasons.

I am amazed that no-one has pointed out this sort of stuff. As I am sure many of you out there can recall why the authenticators in many games were created in the past. Fortunately for those people affected it only affected their in game belongings and wealth as far as I am aware but it could have been worse.

The best thing the OP has done is to bring this executable to their attention, as this is something I am sure they would need to monitor.

felixgamingx1

I Hope whoever uses FOV add on gets banned! This is clearly a advantage against other players...

Charg

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

I Hope whoever uses FOV add on gets banned! This is clearly a advantage against other players...

Noone of my friends pvp with it...they are all busy lvling in the pve zones. It's more a mod for taking in more of the scenery, it looks better with higher FoV too (according to people who tried / play with it for now)

Dominulf

A FoV modifier is cheating... in a game with 3rd person view?

How ignorant can you get.

LtCrunch

I eagerly await response from the game team, Currently I can't play in the default FOV. It makes me nauseous, I'm not sure what the game default is exactly but in Skyrim I always had to be at at least 80fov but usually played at 90. That's horizontal of course xD

Charg

Hello? Ginabruno? Do you perhaps know if the devs will put in a FoV slider in the next big bugfix patch that's coming today/tomorrow?

stmalkb14

Dear Gina, so is it possible to know if I can actually use this mod? I want to play First Person and can't wait.

LadyChaos

djodars wrote: »

In my opinion, any software that enhances or gives you an advantage in-game that isn't permitted by the API should be considered cheating.

There's tons of things that gives players advantage that are completely legal by EULA terms. Fair and Legal are not the same thing. A third party hardware/software that allows for faster graphics rendering wouldn't be fair to the guy who has a lower performance machine, and a definite advantage over players who have to play on low settings or lower FoV, but can't say having a better graphics card or knowledge of how to tweak settings properly is a cheat...

I get nautious on low FoV, stairwells, hallways make me want to hurl... I don't even have it but I kinda want it now lol.

This comes up all the time in MMO, some allow some don't. sweetfx and other graphics enhancers also make the controversy list.

IMO if it plays the game for you = cheat
If it enhances/sorts/organizes the information already given to you by the game = legit

Attorneyatlawl

Yeah, I don't like the poor fov in third person and as I said a relative gets motion sick trying to play eso due to the low fov. Would love news on official or unofficial fov changes.


Also 100 percent agree with @LadyChaos‌ .

FishBreath

Any news? I think I'm done with the game until a FOV slider is added. The game isn't immersive enough with narrow FOV for me to enjoy it. Also I get nausea even in 3rd person view.

revanghost

Tagging for future knowledge.

LtCrunch

FishBreath wrote: »

Any news? I think I'm done with the game until a FOV slider is added. The game isn't immersive enough with narrow FOV for me to enjoy it. Also I get nausea even in 3rd person view.

Have you tried zooming your camera out? It goes out pretty far, Can't imagine having issues with it being too narrow if you zoom out as far as it will let you in third person.

Attorneyatlawl

Brandalf wrote: »

FishBreath wrote: »

Any news? I think I'm done with the game until a FOV slider is added. The game isn't immersive enough with narrow FOV for me to enjoy it. Also I get nausea even in 3rd person view.

Have you tried zooming your camera out? It goes out pretty far, Can't imagine having issues with it being too narrow if you zoom out as far as it will let you in third person.

It barely goes out at all, it actually used to go about twice as far during beta before being arbitrarily limited. It also doesn't affect your FoV to zoom the camera out regardless, apples and oranges. We really need both, actually.

LtCrunch

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

FishBreath wrote: »

Any news? I think I'm done with the game until a FOV slider is added. The game isn't immersive enough with narrow FOV for me to enjoy it. Also I get nausea even in 3rd person view.

Have you tried zooming your camera out? It goes out pretty far, Can't imagine having issues with it being too narrow if you zoom out as far as it will let you in third person.

It barely goes out at all, it actually used to go about twice as far during beta before being arbitrarily limited. It also doesn't affect your FoV to zoom the camera out regardless, apples and oranges. We really need both, actually.

I did 5 beta tests and it still goes out the same distance it did in those tests, unless of course you're talking earlier than that. I use the + and - keys to control camera zoom and t goes out 17 times from first person to maximum distance from the character. You're right it doesn't actually change the FOV but it makes a difference for me at least. Anything closer than about 8 back and it feels claustrophobic to me, anything further back just improves it for me even more.

Also as a side note this game does have a higher FOV than Skyrim. 79(ESO) vs 75(Skyrim). Either way it's just a suggestion that might make the experience bearable for @FishBreath‌ until an official slider is added or this mod is approved(hopefully).

Attorneyatlawl

@Brandalf, I am talking about back last year.

stmalkb14

Seems we won't have an answer.. and we're gonna get banned for not getting sick while playing...

Charg

Any update Ginabruno?