PTS Update 45 – Feedback Thread for Green Champion Point Stars Passive Rework

ZOS_Kevin · January 12

This is the official feedback thread for the rework of some green Champion Point (CP) stars to be passive. Please make sure if you use a template character, that they have some champion points to use for testing. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

Does this change limit the amount of ‘active CP management’ you have to do?
Was it clear what change had been made?
How do you feel about the changes generally?
Are they overall helpful for you as a player?
Do you have any other general feedback?

Elvenheart · January 13

I’m very very happy about the changes, they do limit the amount of active CP management and they are very helpful. I would like to ask, please please consider adding Master Gatherer to the list as a passive.

Kyip · January 13

Please make all green cp stars into passives.

LunaFlora · January 13

i love this!! 💚

Does this change limit the amount of ‘active CP management’ you have to do?

absolutely! it's awesome.

How do you feel about the changes generally?

positively.

Are they overall helpful for you as a player?

very helpful.

Do you have any other general feedback?

please make more champion abilities passive, also from Fitness like Boundless Vitality, Fortified, and Rejuvenation.

Tannus15 · January 14

I actually get a benefit every 3rd CP gain now.
It's easily the best thing in this update.

MATH_COW · January 14

Maybe you could also add "Master Gatherer" in the list? So both gathering CP would be passive and it would be awesome!

WhiteCoatSyndrome · January 14

Elvenheart wrote: »

I’m very very happy about the changes, they do limit the amount of active CP management and they are very helpful. I would like to ask, please please consider adding Master Gatherer to the list as a passive.

Agree with all of this.

MATH_COW · January 14

Kyip wrote: »

Please make all green cp stars into passives.

Actually yeah, if you still got time you should really just work on that and make the green tree the only one without any slottable stars.

Rework the slot bar at top of the screen to only have red and blu and move the green tree in middle as frontier between the two others.

Elvenheart · January 14

MATH_COW wrote: »

Kyip wrote: »

Please make all green cp stars into passives.

Actually yeah, if you still got time you should really just work on that and make the green tree the only one without any slottable stars.

Rework the slot bar at top of the screen to only have red and blu and move the green tree in middle as frontier between the two others.

Actually, I think there are a few green active skills that need to remain active for the convenience of the player. For example. A skill that makes you go faster should be able to be turned on and off, so to speak, and the easiest way to do that would be to keep it as an active skill that can be unslotted. There are reasons a player might want to use a skill like that sometimes but not others, such as slowing down to ride along with lower level friends who do not yet have enough skill points to invest in that skill yet.

DoofusMax · January 14

Overall, you can color me a fan of this change, although I'm a bit disappointed that Master Gatherer wasn't included. Craft Tree is kind of oddball in that I don't do much active management with those perks, choosing instead to forego a few infrequently used perks to keep the frequently used ones active (I'm a set-it-and-forget-it kinda Khajiit), so changing some of those to passive means that I can indulge some of the ones I haven't been using ("Gifted Rider," for example). My main account is just a bit shy of CP2000, so I've got enough points to unlock the passives and keep a few actives filled and swappable. It's really the other two trees where I have to do a lot of active perk management.

MATH_COW · January 14

Elvenheart wrote: »

Actually, I think there are a few green active skills that need to remain active for the convenience of the player. For example. A skill that makes you go faster should be able to be turned on and off, so to speak, and the easiest way to do that would be to keep it as an active skill that can be unslotted. There are reasons a player might want to use a skill like that sometimes but not others, such as slowing down to ride along with lower level friends who do not yet have enough skill points to invest in that skill yet.

The thing is that I wrote that comment just after I watched my green tree and realised that I'll have just nothing to really slot with the change they will do and realised that it would just be better to go full in and put everything in green tree as passive.

I'm CP2950 at the moment and with those change I'll have not a lot to really slot.

I'll get Steed Blessing, Master Gatherer and what? I could have the two mounts stars but I have them only on PvP builds.
The two abouts bounties or shadowstrike that are as often useful as the two fishing stars?
Sustaining shadow I guess but I'm not really spending my CP into that one at the moment.

So at this point I just feel we should have everything as passive in the green tree, everybody would be happy and nobody would complain about it.

PS: if you want to be slow down your ride for your low level friends you can just do break while riding and not sprinting, no need to unslot a CP that boost you just a bit, and anyway they will make the default mount speed less ridicoulous than what this is at the moment so it should not even be a problem anymore

erebus_79_ESO · January 14

While I love all the passives, it's going to take quite a lot of CP to even fill the slottables. Seems a shame for someone with a little over 2k CP can't fill the slottables because the passives are too good. Guess it gives me a reason to still want to earn XP.

ImmortalElf13 · January 14

I'm another vote for Master Gatherer. The speed boosts and bounty related ones make sense to remain as slotted. Master Gatherer really is more along the lines of Meticulous Disassembly, which is now passive.

EF321 · January 14

It's a good change, but overall tree still forces me to take a bunch of stars I don't need and will never use to get to ones that I do need. I am CP3600 and on main character who wants to have fishing and pickpocketing/fencing, I don't have enough points left for War Mount that I want, because I am forced to take those bounty and heat wiping stars that I don't need.

Fischblut · January 14

Green CP tree is the only remnant of old CP power for me, and it's the only tree where I actually love many perks and do constant micro-management of active stars. So I really like more options for passive green stars! Now I got 2 free slots on PTS compared to my Live setup, and I filled them with War Mount + 20% movement speed out of combat

At first I wanted to suggest that all green stars should be passives as well, but this is bad idea

For aesthetic pleasure I sometimes need to remove " +10% mounted speed" and " +20% movement out of combat" - because this allows to see different movement animations both for a mount and for a character. It would not be optimal to pay 3000 gold each time I wish to do that.

Now I think that only red and blue CP trees need to be all passives. If it happens, I would finally assign my hundreds of unused CP points in them!

anadandy · January 14

I also agree on Master Gatherer. This was another one that was a passive in Champ original recipe.

Elvenheart · January 14

EF321 wrote: »

It's a good change, but overall tree still forces me to take a bunch of stars I don't need and will never use to get to ones that I do need. I am CP3600 and on main character who wants to have fishing and pickpocketing/fencing, I don't have enough points left for War Mount that I want, because I am forced to take those bounty and heat wiping stars that I don't need.

This is the first time I’ve really realized that one can get to 3600 and not have enough CP points to get everything in the green tree? How many points are we short?

EF321 · January 14

Elvenheart wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

It's a good change, but overall tree still forces me to take a bunch of stars I don't need and will never use to get to ones that I do need. I am CP3600 and on main character who wants to have fishing and pickpocketing/fencing, I don't have enough points left for War Mount that I want, because I am forced to take those bounty and heat wiping stars that I don't need.

This is the first time I’ve really realized that one can get to 3600 and not have enough CP points to get everything in the green tree? How many points are we short?

I have 92 points unspent and stars not unlocked:
Shadowstrike (75)
War Mount (120)
Professional Upkeep (50)
Inspiration boost (45)
Wanderer (75)

Elvenheart · January 14

EF321 wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

It's a good change, but overall tree still forces me to take a bunch of stars I don't need and will never use to get to ones that I do need. I am CP3600 and on main character who wants to have fishing and pickpocketing/fencing, I don't have enough points left for War Mount that I want, because I am forced to take those bounty and heat wiping stars that I don't need.

This is the first time I’ve really realized that one can get to 3600 and not have enough CP points to get everything in the green tree? How many points are we short?

I have 92 points unspent and stars not unlocked:
Shadowstrike (75)
War Mount (120)
Professional Upkeep (50)
Inspiration boost (45)
Wanderer (75)

Well, that is less than optimal.

Necrotech_Master · January 14

Elvenheart wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

It's a good change, but overall tree still forces me to take a bunch of stars I don't need and will never use to get to ones that I do need. I am CP3600 and on main character who wants to have fishing and pickpocketing/fencing, I don't have enough points left for War Mount that I want, because I am forced to take those bounty and heat wiping stars that I don't need.

This is the first time I’ve really realized that one can get to 3600 and not have enough CP points to get everything in the green tree? How many points are we short?

I have 92 points unspent and stars not unlocked:
Shadowstrike (75)
War Mount (120)
Professional Upkeep (50)
Inspiration boost (45)
Wanderer (75)

Well, that is less than optimal.

3600 cp hasnt been enough to fully max out all of the trees in many years, at least since they added those red and blue sub trees

theres a lot of stuff in the green tree which is pretty niche, like the whole left half of the tree is dedicated basically to thievery which not all of my toons do regularly so i wouldnt really slot any of those

alternatelder · January 22

Can anyone confirm if they are resetting our CP again with this change?

silky_soft · January 22

Kyip wrote: »

Please make all green cp stars into passives.

Yea make the whole thing passive. No need for active green.

jirusan · January 23

Hello,

If you are reworking the passives tree, maybe you could consider in a future update to move the racial passives there.

Having them as a fifth star or something of this kind, or anything that allows to change them with armory builds.

This would make the armory system finally complete, the ability for each character of a certain class to play all roles without penalty.

Thank you.

kojou · January 23

Just leave 4 "slotable" buffs and make the rest passive. Does this essentially make the whole thing passive? Yes, and that would be a good thing.

Elvenheart · January 24

kojou wrote: »

Just leave 4 "slotable" buffs and make the rest passive. Does this essentially make the whole thing passive? Yes, and that would be a good thing.

The ones that are related to a character’s speed or character’s mount speed should always be active so they can be slotted or unslotted as needed. That would work with this.

xyphrum · February 5

Does this change limit the amount of ‘active CP management’ you have to do?
Not really, I play on 2 platforms, one with high CP and one with low CP, but I barely do "CP management" in this tree (and no I'm not using addons for that)
Was it clear what change had been made?
sort of.. some green slottables are now passives, is what I understand of it
How do you feel about the changes generally?
neutral
Are they overall helpful for you as a player?
I think I get a few more passives in the end, so yay.
Do you have any other general feedback?
it's not clear to me why some other slottables are untouched