Golden pursuits - earn levels

AzuraFan

Erickson9610 wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Unrelated: I'm genuinely surprised some people ask for earnable rewards, then complain when those rewards require them to complete content they don't like.

I'm not complaining. Just pointing out a few things. I'm fine with not doing the pursuits and not getting the rewards.

I put "Unrelated:" because that part was not directed at you.

Ah, ok. My bad, then. I thought you just meant unrelated to that single post.

cozmic72

Confirmed earning CP level doesn’t count. Poor design choice.

Personofsecrets

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

Again, not the point.

It should never be a case that the longer you have engaged with the game the fewer your options are.

If anything it should be the opposite.

Otherwise they are saying the quiet part out loud: we only care about attracting new players or increasing the engagement level of those who play more casually.

That could be a good principle to go by. At the same time, another principle used in development is to not restrict design space. With the current golden endeavors, design space isn't restricted. Not offering endeavors that 100% of players can't complete is a design space restriction.

So it could be that there are other important principles at work.

Erickson9610

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

Again, not the point.

It should never be a case that the longer you have engaged with the game the fewer your options are.

If anything it should be the opposite.

Otherwise they are saying the quiet part out loud: we only care about attracting new players or increasing the engagement level of those who play more casually.

I think they're trying to encourage people to level alternate characters for the Alt Ascension event. They even have a pack of Skill Styles in the Crown Store that players can claim for free if they get two or more characters to Level 50. So, having the current Golden Pursuit complement that makes sense, since a lot of players will be trying to level up, anyway.

I highly doubt they're trying to punish veteran players.

code65536

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

This exact same thing has been going on for years for the Zenithar event, since one of the options for completing the daily quest is to earn a level. But since it's one of the options, you have, well, other options to choose from.

I don't recall there being such an uproar over that.

DJfriede

It's simple math: If a player does not participate in certain subsections of the game (trials, pvp), they have fewer options. Hiding 5 of the pursuit options behind character leveling is still an... interesting design choice.

sarahthes

DJfriede wrote: »

It's simple math: If a player does not participate in certain subsections of the game (trials, pvp), they have fewer options. Hiding 5 of the pursuit options behind character leveling is still an... interesting design choice.

I don't believe any of the unlockables are behind leveling characters, which suggests a deliberate choice to not lock people out of rewards if they have 20 max level characters.

valenwood_vegan

I'm fine with not completing the pursuit - I honestly can't see myself using that mount lol. May complete it, as I don't mind stepping out of my usual comfort zone a little bit and doing a trial or a little light pvp, but we'll see. The mount's not very motivating.

But all of that said, it would've been nice if a pursuit with so many "level a new character" focused tasks was accompanied by a new character slot or something. I would've gladly leveled a new one. Or at least counted CP, for us long time players, as I might have been motivated to grind some CP during the event. Poor design choice. It is what it is I guess.

ApoAlaia

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

Again, not the point.

It should never be a case that the longer you have engaged with the game the fewer your options are.

If anything it should be the opposite.

Otherwise they are saying the quiet part out loud: we only care about attracting new players or increasing the engagement level of those who play more casually.

That could be a good principle to go buy. At the same time, another principle used in development is to not restrict design space. With the current golden endeavors, design space isn't restricted. Not offering endeavors that 100% of players can't complete is a design space restriction.

So it could be that there are other important principles at work.

I cannot really make heads or tails of your answer, not even after reading about the concept of 'design space'.

Said that if you imply that this was deliberate design choice and not an oversight, I am inclined to agree.

However in my personal opinion, however deliberate and with ample precedent [of making choices that either by action or omission are punitive towards long term and engaged players], it remains a poor choice.

wolfie1.0.

sarahthes wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Vhellcat wrote: »

There are 29 tasks to choose from, 20 to get the mount. You earn other goodies on the way there...

Tasks
Complete 5 Quests (Evergreen Saturalia Battle Axe)
Complete 10 Quests
Complete 20 Quests
Earn 10 Levels
Kill 5 World Bosses (Evergreen Saturalia Dagger)
Kill 5 Delve Bosses (Evergreen Saturalia Bow)
Earn 20 Levels
Complete 5 Incursions (Evergreen Saturalia Greatsword)
Complete 1 Group Dungeon (Evergreen Saturalia Mace)
Complete 5 Group Dungeons
Kill 200 Foes with Class Abilities
Earn 30 Levels
Loot 15 Treasure Chests
Complete 1 Trial (Evergreen Saturalia Maul)
Complete 3 Trials
Earn 40 Levels
Complete 6 stages in the Infinite Archive
Defeat 5 Cycle bosses in the Infinite Archive
Visit 10 Player Homes (Evergreen Saturalia Staff)
Craft 25 Items inside your home
Craft 50 Items with any skill (Evergreen Saturalia Shield)
Harvest 75 Resources from the World
Earn 45 Levels
Complete 1 Battleground Match (Evergreen Saturalia Axe)
Complete 5 Battleground Matches
Earn 75000 Alliance Points
Kill 10 Players in Cyrodiil
Earn 15 New Life Festival Boxes
Earn 10 Event Tickets (Evergreen Saturalia Sword)

You only need 20 of these to unlock everything. You can skip leveling characters and get the stuff. And you have quite the long period to do it.

But what if people don't want to pvp or do trials?????

75000 alliance points can be easily done via pvp questing and/or repairing. You just need to complete 5 or 6 Battlegrounds (Complete not win) which is easy. You can just die repeatedly.

Killing players is probably the hardest.

As for trials, it just says trials which means normal runs work which means you can do one of the easy and fast ones to get it done.

If these were like Win 5 BGs or get to arc 6 of IA or vet a vet trial clear or a trifectal in dungeons then I would start crying foul.

But you can skip some of these.

DinoZavr

@ZOS_Kevin

Dear Kevin, what do you think about deleting one of the characters, if all 20 slots are occupied by level 50 characters?
Levelling from 3 to 50 is not a huge deal, there are Alchemy Master Writs and 2x XP New Life Event upcoming, but..
The catch, as i see it is - re-training mount takes 180 days (or massive purchase of riding books), which i consider unfair.

Redditors write gaining CP levels does not count https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1h5pgez/new_golden_pursuit/

What about the inevitable mount training?

sarahthes

DinoZavr wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin

Dear Kevin, what do you think about deleting one of the characters, if all 20 slots are occupied by level 50 characters?
Levelling from 3 to 50 is not a huge deal, there are Alchemy Master Writs and 2x XP New Life Event upcoming, but..
The catch, as i see it is - re-training mount takes 180 days (or massive purchase of riding books), which i consider unfair.

Redditors write gaining CP levels does not count https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1h5pgez/new_golden_pursuit/

What about the inevitable mount training?

There are 24 other options for completing the pursuits, and none of the unlockables are locked behind leveling a character. You only need to complete 20/29 to earn all possible rewards.

ApoAlaia

code65536 wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

This exact same thing has been going on for years for the Zenithar event, since one of the options for completing the daily quest is to earn a level. But since it's one of the options, you have, well, other options to choose from.

I don't recall there being such an uproar over that.

In the Zeal of Zenithar event one of the options is to gain one level or one CP.

As far as I can tell that is not the case with Golden Pursuits, CP does not count.

You have to earn an actual level.

In the case of the daily quest of Zenithar is a strategical choice, in this case is an impossibility. Deleting a fully developed character is not a sane choice.

Eliahnus

cozmic72 wrote: »

Confirmed earning CP level doesn’t count. Poor design choice.

Indeed. I have 20 LVL50 characters on both accounts, so 5 tasks are already out of the question.
Just unbelievable ZOS did not take this situation into account ...

ApoAlaia

Eliahnus wrote: »

cozmic72 wrote: »

Confirmed earning CP level doesn’t count. Poor design choice.

Indeed. I have 20 LVL50 characters on both accounts, so 5 tasks are already out of the question.
Just unbelievable ZOS did not take this situation into account ...

On the contrary, I am of the opinion that they did in fact take it into account.

It is highly unlikely that this is an oversight.

Vhellcat

Here's the official post for Golden Pursuits Discussion:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8230718#Comment_8230718?utm_medium=social&utm_source=discord&utm_campaign=dwemer_automaton

SonOfSoma

You know what.
It's a butt ugly mount anyway.
So I don't even need to do 20..
Who in their right mind would want that monstrosity anyway. Haha.

sarahthes

SonOfSoma wrote: »

You know what.
It's a butt ugly mount anyway.
So I don't even need to do 20..
Who in their right mind would want that monstrosity anyway. Haha.

Some people bought that senche. The one with the braids and the flowers and all.

I don't claim to understand individual taste.

kargen27

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

Ishtarknows

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

allmyxlvntx wrote: »

Earned a CP this morning. Doesn’t count as a level? Only way for me to earn levels and actually complete ALL of the Golden Pursuits is to delete a character? All 20 of my characters have full stable training (theoretically 180 days to complete). Not sure this was thought out properly.

You only need to complete 20 of the tasks to get it done.

But most people get to choose which 20 out of the 29 they want to do, leaving 9 they choose not to. My choices (and those of many others since CP don't count) have been cut by 5 through no fault of my own. I'm not declining to PvP or do trials or whatever, I simply cannot gain levels. It's not possible for me and my 20 CP level characters to do so.

Edit: fix total number is 29 not 30

sarahthes

kargen27 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

Those options give zero additional rewards.

wolfie1.0.

kargen27 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

OK, so zos removes the leveling task from the pursuit. Now all options are available to all players and there are still extra pursuits.

What would change if they did just that?

Varana

ApoAlaia wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

This exact same thing has been going on for years for the Zenithar event, since one of the options for completing the daily quest is to earn a level. But since it's one of the options, you have, well, other options to choose from.

I don't recall there being such an uproar over that.

In the Zeal of Zenithar event one of the options is to gain one level or one CP.

As far as I can tell that is not the case with Golden Pursuits, CP does not count.

You have to earn an actual level.

In the case of the daily quest of Zenithar is a strategical choice, in this case is an impossibility. Deleting a fully developed character is not a sane choice.

OP has 3600 CP. They can't do the levelling option of the Zenithar event either. It still seems that that hasn't been an issue so far.

kargen27

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

OK, so zos removes the leveling task from the pursuit. Now all options are available to all players and there are still extra pursuits.

What would change if they did just that?

All players would be treated the same.

sarahthes

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

OK, so zos removes the leveling task from the pursuit. Now all options are available to all players and there are still extra pursuits.

What would change if they did just that?

Nothing, except everyone would have to complete 20/24 tasks.

wolfie1.0.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

Penalizes players how exactly? It would only be a penalty if you absolutely couldn't complete the pursuit without deleting a character and starting a new one. But there are other options ALL of which are base game options. No dlc, no eso plus, no crown store purchases needed. Levels aside, you still don't have to do all of the remaining options. Granted those options are less but more than enough.

If zos removed the level option right now you would just need to do 20/24 within 30+ days.

I don't see why this isn't considered reasonable.

kargen27

sarahthes wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

Those options give zero additional rewards.

Not the point. The point is players who have leveled all character slots are not being given the same amount of options that other players are given. It isn't a matter if not wanting to do something but a matter of being unable to do something.

wolfie1.0.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

Again, not the point.

It should never be a case that the longer you have engaged with the game the fewer your options are.

If anything it should be the opposite.

Otherwise they are saying the quiet part out loud: we only care about attracting new players or increasing the engagement level of those who play more casually.

Increasing the player base with new accounts or increased engagement has always been a part of eso. If zos stops doing that then the game is gone.

code65536

kargen27 wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

OK, so zos removes the leveling task from the pursuit. Now all options are available to all players and there are still extra pursuits.

What would change if they did just that?

All players would be treated the same.

Oh heavens forbid that ZOS throws new players a bone!

Have you ever considered that maybe the argument could be made in the other direction? Say you're a new player, playing your first character that hasn't even reached 50. Do you even know what a trial is? Do you have the gear or knowledge to play Battlegrounds? There are activities on this list that are going to be considerably easier for a veteran player than for a new player. Have you considered that possibility, hm?

ApoAlaia

code65536 wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

But that's not true because there are plenty of other things that everyone can do to complete the endeavor.

Players with enough time in the game to max out all levels should be able to complete the endeavor easily.

It's good to keep them in mind for the future, but judging by the system in place, ZOS is already being careful to not gatekeep anyone by accident.

It is the point. All the options should be available to all players. Obviously some options (five according to the list above) are not available to all players. That is not fair as it restricts their choices. It isn't a matter of whether they can complete enough activities or not but that they are not given the same number of activities to chose from.

OK, so zos removes the leveling task from the pursuit. Now all options are available to all players and there are still extra pursuits.

What would change if they did just that?

All players would be treated the same.

Oh heavens forbid that ZOS throws new players a bone!

Have you ever considered that maybe the argument could be made in the other direction? Say you're a new player, playing your first character that hasn't even reached 50. Do you even know what a trial is? Do you have the gear or knowledge to play Battlegrounds? There are activities on this list that are going to be considerably easier for a veteran player than for a new player. Have you considered that possibility, hm?

Both things needn't be mutually exclusive. We could all have the chance of a serving of bone, it needn't be restricted to some.

Unless you see everything as a zero sum game that is.

Either way having voiced my frustration is time to move on. I see where you are coming from, I just don't agree with the perspective.