Golden pursuits - earn levels

kargen27

spartaxoxo wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Its_MySniff wrote: »

Some of you are making things harder than they should be. I completed 14 of 20 tasks today. I can do 4 more tomorrow. I'll have 2 left to get from new life. I don't do pvp often, but I did battle grounds in an hour or so. I ran my pve build and dealt with the slaughter. We have 32 days left to do this. Step out of your comfort zone, set your goals and you'll get the ugly mount too. Or don't. Cheers.

I'm lucky that I already participate in most activities in game (don't like the card game) so will easily finish mostly just doing what I do anyway. How easy I or others can finish isn't what this is about. There are five things on this list some players are unable to accomplish even if they wanted to. That doesn't seem right that they should have less choices. I'm hoping being vocal about this now will give ZoS cause to think before doing something similar going forward. I don't want to see raise undaunted guild three skill levels in some future endeavor.

It is about how easily things are accomplished though.

Handicap parking gives people who aren't handicapped less choices in where to park, but that lesser choice doesn't negatively impact such people in a meaningful way. And having an option that is meant exclusively for the handicap increases the accessibility of the building.

While being a new player is not an RL accessibility issue of the physical sort, so obviously isn't remotely in the same ballpark in terms of level of importance, we cannot just ignore ease of access when discussing choices offered.

A player at max CP and with 20 max level characters is generally going to have easy access to group content.

Many players under a certain level do not. They get kicked from trials. They aren't even able to pick up all the rewards until you hit a certain level iirc. Their ability to participate in PvP meaningfully against maxed out players is also limited. This is why they get their own cyro campaign that above level 50s can't re-enter. A level 10 can't queue all the dungeons.

They do not have ease of access to rewards. Allowing their leveling to count dramatically increases their accessibility to the rewards. Something vet players don't need help with because nobody is kicking you from a normal trial for being 3600 CP.

Real world situations that benefit society as a whole rarely apply to in game. And no it is not about how easy things can be accomplished. I know a couple of players that have multiple accounts tons of characters leveled and rarely if at all participate in group activities. Plenty of players exist that refuse to join guilds for any reason. So for them there isn't easy access to group activities.
That said it is a personal choice for them that will be limiting their options. For those with no low level characters personal choice doesn't come into play. They are unable to do five of the tasks on the list. Not unwilling but unable. Just guessing but probably will be all kinds of opportunities for joining Cloudrest and that is easy enough each group can carry several newer players.
A level ten won't be able to earn any levels. Soon as they learn one they are now level 11. A level 10 can queue one dungeon and that is enough. Post in zone chat low level character looking for daily and the group will fill almost instantly as players know that means an easy run.
You can earn the alliance points in Cyrodiil repairing keeps or hanging around on the platform while your faction successfully defends the keep. If your faction is on attack you can get on siege and contribute or heal others on siege. With a ranged skill you can get kills light attacking from the walls. Not exciting but it is doable. The point being all these activities are doable for every player. Five activities are not doable (easy, hard or otherwise) for some players and that should be seen as a problem.

Syldras

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Ya you may have to do a few things your uncomfortable with, but you have more than a month to arrange and find people to do them with.

Ah, yes. Spending my free time with things I'm not interested in. My favorite pastime!

wolfie1.0.

Syldras wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Ya you may have to do a few things your uncomfortable with, but you have more than a month to arrange and find people to do them with.

Ah, yes. Spending my free time with things I'm not interested in. My favorite pastime!

Then don't do them? There isn't really anything that screams a must have in this pursuit. And all of them are very likely to appear again in some form or another.

Syldras

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Then don't do them? There isn't really anything that screams a must have in this pursuit. And all of them are very likely to appear again in some form or another.

Personally, I can't be bothered with most cosmetics.

I'm generally questioning the idea (not even specifically your post, but it comes up in discussions here all the time) that playing a game - a pastime, a hobby, something that should be fun, stress-reducing or relaxing - would neccessarily also consist of doing things one dislikes. I don't think it neccessarily has to be like this.

dannv

I have several issues with this. I pay for 2 ESO plus accounts. One has all 20 possible characters maxed out. Early CP doesn't count to the leveling. (Tried it, no progress on the bar.) I have vision issues, so trials are right out. I used to do the periodic Battleground, but now with the changes to let upper end players farm lower skilled players, I am out of that and you can't pay me to do any other PVP. So, how do I earn these rewards in a game that claims to be "play how you want". Was this designed by the same guy who doesn't know heavy attacks return resources? Was any though given to any players but the ZOS hoped for "normal"?

fall0athboy

I think there's no reason CP shouldn't be allowed.

fall0athboy

dannv wrote: »

I have several issues with this. I pay for 2 ESO plus accounts. One has all 20 possible characters maxed out. Early CP doesn't count to the leveling. (Tried it, no progress on the bar.) I have vision issues, so trials are right out. I used to do the periodic Battleground, but now with the changes to let upper end players farm lower skilled players, I am out of that and you can't pay me to do any other PVP. So, how do I earn these rewards in a game that claims to be "play how you want". Was this designed by the same guy who doesn't know heavy attacks return resources? Was any though given to any players but the ZOS hoped for "normal"?

Well, you don't have to win the Battlegrounds. Just complete. Win or lose.

araminta63

Just adding my complaint to the others.

CP should count towards these. This is just stupid. I literally started my last character slot over the weekend... but she's already level 28. My other 19 slots are level 50. So I'm locked out of 3 of these pursuits.

I'm a non-PVP'ing, solo player. I've never killed anyone in Cyradiil.. let alone 10 people. How many days to make 75K AP? I guess I could anger a bunch of real players and go hang out in 10 battleground matches but I would literally not know what I was doing. PVP locks me out of 4 pursuits.

And Trials? Does everyone but me have a trials guild? I've never even been in one. I have no idea how many players that even takes. And I have to COMPLETE them.. so 'almost' doesn't count. And that is two more pursuits.

Which makes 9. 9 is the most you can miss... but I've never been able to kill Tho'at either. So one of those Infinite Archive pursuits will cost me one more.

I could delete this character.. but I used the Reward Calendar AP drop on Saturday to get her the level 3 Assault mount speed.. so I would lose that on any new character until the end of the month. (arrggg.. and all the mount speed books I'd been hording)

If they made CP count as levels then I would be fine.

I'm not a n00b. I've got over 10K hours in. But I've had to pass up a lot of content due to being fat fingered under pressure. And I knew that chances were I was not going to be able to participate all of the Golden Pursuits... but it's still disappointing because the CP exclusion seems incredibly pointless.

Alaztor91

Is there any reason why this doesn't require earning a certain amount of XP instead? I mean, it's not like the other objective that requires you to ''Complete 20 Quests'' only works with non-repeatable ones, because otherwise people who have completed every single ''unique'' quest wouldn't be able to progress it. It's just common sense.

DenverRalphy

araminta63 wrote: »

Which makes 9. 9 is the most you can miss... but I've never been able to kill Tho'at either. So one of those Infinite Archive pursuits will cost me one more.

You don't need to kill Tho'at. You can just do the first 3 cycles, reset, then do 3 more again from the beginning.

AlnilamE

So the in-game description said crafting levels count, which means if you have not maxed out crafting on a character, that would count. Has anyone tried Alliance ranks? I'm not in game right now, so I can't check.

JoeCapricorn

The levels tasks don't really lock anyone out of doing 20 of these tasks. This seems to be a more extended version of the weekly endeavors, and I can already see 20 that I can do relatively easily in 33 days time. Some of them might not be possible until New Life, but certainly there's a bunch I can bang out in the meantime.

Complete 1 and 5 Battleground Matches - these are pretty easy. You don't need to win them. Just complete them. I haven't tried the new battleground system since the update, maybe this will get me to do so. It might get you a decent way toward the 75,000 AP one as well.

fall0athboy

JoeCapricorn wrote: »

The levels tasks don't really lock anyone out of doing 20 of these tasks. This seems to be a more extended version of the weekly endeavors, and I can already see 20 that I can do relatively easily in 33 days time. Some of them might not be possible until New Life, but certainly there's a bunch I can bang out in the meantime.

Complete 1 and 5 Battleground Matches - these are pretty easy. You don't need to win them. Just complete them. I haven't tried the new battleground system since the update, maybe this will get me to do so. It might get you a decent way toward the 75,000 AP one as well.

It does. I won 4/5 of my Battlegrounds Matches, which got me 62,810 of the AP needed.

fall0athboy

AlnilamE wrote: »

So the in-game description said crafting levels count, which means if you have not maxed out crafting on a character, that would count. Has anyone tried Alliance ranks? I'm not in game right now, so I can't check.

No, it means gaining experience through crafting. So you have to craft the items, to get the experience, to level up your overall level, not your crafting level itself.

Maxxing out crafting isn't going to affect this one way or another.

it also seems to have no effect whatsoever. I crafted items, I did not get any experience towards an actual level up other than for my Blacksmithing skill.

Arunei

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
This isn't a problem for me, as I have numerous characters I've been meaning to level, but can it be asked WHY, exactly, the poor choice was made to exclude earning a CP level from the "earn X levels" Pursuits? It seems sort of weird to not account for people having max rosters; yes, there are other things people can do to reach the 20 Pursuits needed for all the main rewards, but that's still 5 Pursuits those people can't decide to do that those of us without max rosters can.

I don't like PvP or Trials, have never don IA, but don't have to worry about them because I can do all of the "earn X levels" Pursuits and thus can pretty easily get 20/20.

But for people who also don't like or don't want to do those things with maxed rosters? They're shafted and forced into doin' stuff they don't want to.

It just seems really unbalanced to me, and I don't see the point of excluding CP levels from this. If it's because it's hard/impossible to code levels 1-50 and CP levels as the same thing, you could have just added another five Pursuits for getting X numbers of CP.

DoofusMax

msetten wrote: »

Does anyone even know if CP levels also count? Or only the first 50 levels of a character?

I can verify this one since I picked up a couple or three CP today and the meter for levels didn't budge, so no; character levels only, it seems.

To echo a some others on this, I'm not a fan of deleting characters (for those with a full stable of mount-trained and trait-researched toons) nor a fan of purchasing a character slot to accommodate (for those with a half-stable or more of CP-level toons). I'm also not a great fan of creating toons which I'm not going to be playing just to grind out some levels. I think those five pursuits were not well-considered when matched against a big chunk of the player base.

The "craft 25 items in your home" pursuit was also not well-considered. I can just about guarantee that there are players out there who do not have crafting stations, do not have writ vouchers to buy crafting stations, and are probably not willing or able to spend the crowns to buy them (having a house in which to place them is another concern, but the free inn rooms are a work-around). Having the pursuit set to "craft 25 items in a player home" would have been a bit more reasonable since there is also a pursuit for visiting other players' homes, so a guildhall or any of the Home Tours "Crafters Havens" would have worked better.

EDIT to this: after crafting a stack of 100 foods for one of my toons, I got credit for crafting 1 thing, so crafting must apparently be done one at a time rather than in bulk for it to count. Perhaps either fix that or change the wording to "craft 25 times in your home"?

For many of the other pursuits, thanks but no thanks. I don't PvP (anything with Cyrodiil or Battlegrounds is pretty much off the table), I don't do Infinite Archive, and I don't do Trials. Couple those with the five "gain levels" endeavors and no capstone reward will be forthcoming (not that I'm really into bears anyway).

Wiseau

Yes, it's dumb and clearly not thought through well at all, and all fine and good for now because there aren't any rewards tied to the level up tasks... but what about when there ARE rewards tied to leveling up? What then? Everyone who's played the game for years and maxed out slots will literally be locked out of something unless they throw away months of hard work and delete a character? This is just the beginning.

sarahthes

DoofusMax wrote: »

msetten wrote: »

Does anyone even know if CP levels also count? Or only the first 50 levels of a character?

I can verify this one since I picked up a couple or three CP today and the meter for levels didn't budge, so no; character levels only, it seems.

To echo a some others on this, I'm not a fan of deleting characters (for those with a full stable of mount-trained and trait-researched toons) nor a fan of purchasing a character slot to accommodate (for those with a half-stable or more of CP-level toons). I'm also not a great fan of creating toons which I'm not going to be playing just to grind out some levels. I think those five pursuits were not well-considered when matched against a big chunk of the player base.

The "craft 25 items in your home" pursuit was also not well-considered. I can just about guarantee that there are players out there who do not have crafting stations, do not have writ vouchers to buy crafting stations, and are probably not willing or able to spend the crowns to buy them (having a house in which to place them is another concern, but the free inn rooms are a work-around). Having the pursuit set to "craft 25 items in a player home" would have been a bit more reasonable since there is also a pursuit for visiting other players' homes, so a guildhall or any of the Home Tours "Crafters Havens" would have worked better.

For many of the other pursuits, thanks but no thanks. I don't PvP (anything with Cyrodiil or Battlegrounds is pretty much off the table), I don't do Infinite Archive, and I don't do Trials. Couple those with the five "gain levels" endeavors and no capstone reward will be forthcoming (not that I'm really into bears anyway).

Crafting stations bought with writ vouchers are not bound. You can buy them for gold from guild traders.

You can also test and see if it works in your guild hall.

spartaxoxo

Wiseau wrote: »

Yes, it's dumb and clearly not thought through well at all, and all fine and good for now because there aren't any rewards tied to the level up tasks... but what about when there ARE rewards tied to leveling up? What then? Everyone who's played the game for years and maxed out slots will literally be locked out of something unless they throw away months of hard work and delete a character? This is just the beginning.

Well, they mentioned that the specific reason they did not have it include rewards was to accommodate people who can't/won't level a new toon. So, I doubt we'll ever see that. If we did, I would not be in favor of that. I am okay with them as accomodations to new players that are de facto locked out of group content. Because as they are right now, you can skip them entirely and still get all rewards. But, if it was required, that would be a very different story IMO.

darvaria

There are too many that require the levels. I don't have a slot and don't want to level another character. This takes up 3 slots and if you don't do trials, that's 5. I'm at 12 and staying. Not bothering to do things I don't want to do and that Bear Mount is not an incentive for me. I could get to 20 but I don't want to spend time doing things I don't like doing for a really unattractive mount.

code65536

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Is there any reason why this doesn't require earning a certain amount of XP instead? I mean, it's not like the other objective that requires you to ''Complete 20 Quests'' only works with non-repeatable ones, because otherwise people who have completed every single ''unique'' quest wouldn't be able to progress it. It's just common sense.

That would probably be the best compromise: to simply change "earn X levels" into "earn Y XP". @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Syldras

code65536 wrote: »

That would probably be the best compromise: to simply change "earn X levels" into "earn Y XP". @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Is the levelling task even still there? Last time I logged in - albeit only briefly - I couldn't see it?! Or is it automatically hidden if a character is already above level 50 (which would be a weird thing to do)?

Soraka

I'm super thankful that they list way more options than are necessary as someone who does not enjoy trials and organized pve content and I'm lucky enough to still have a character slot available. I can see the frustration, though, if someone is maxed out and with the time sink that goes into alts, it may be an option to delete a character and start a new one but it's almost an illusion of an option.

And if this becomes a regular task, should everyone just have a throwaway character on standby to be deleted abd leveled again? Like should I not bother with this alt once I get it the required levels?

Side note: Cyrodiil AP is super easy to do safely and most people are very nice. If you go in and ask for assistance in figuring out wall repairs etc it's very likely someone will help you navigate getting ap without having to pvp. At least people on pc na grayhost EP, from my experience.

MRAW

While ppl are lamenting, I just finished and got the bear - without the leveling. Come on, it's easy. If you managed to get 20 chars to CP level, you should be experienced enough to finish the pursuit in two days, even without the event yet to come.

Airse

ApoAlaia wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

xXxCartlandxXx wrote: »

I'm in the same boat I'm 3600 cp 20 max level toons and 20 5 star ranks in campaign ranks I don't have any ability to level up so I just can't get the rewards seem unfair @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Do the other options then. There are more than needed to complete

Not the point.

The point being it penalises players for their loyalty and dedication by restricting their options.

Except it isn't a penalty...they give you other options to do. It would only be a "penalty" if it was required.

anadandy

sarahthes wrote: »

You can also test and see if it works in your guild hall.

I just tested this, and sadly it does not count if it's someone else's home.

sarahthes

code65536 wrote: »

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Is there any reason why this doesn't require earning a certain amount of XP instead? I mean, it's not like the other objective that requires you to ''Complete 20 Quests'' only works with non-repeatable ones, because otherwise people who have completed every single ''unique'' quest wouldn't be able to progress it. It's just common sense.

That would probably be the best compromise: to simply change "earn X levels" into "earn Y XP". @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

This would lock out new players or make it ridiculously trivial, given how the XP earned scales with level.

karthrag_inak

The biggest thing khajiit (with all 20 chars at cp3600) is salty about is he is going to have to do battlegrounds since he has no more levels to acquire. Since the 2-team abominations were forced upon us, khajiit has found them to be most unpleasant. If only this horrible change was reverted, or the 3-team BGs were returned.

whitecrow

msetten wrote: »

Does anyone even know if CP levels also count? Or only the first 50 levels of a character?

CP levels do not seem to count.

DenverRalphy

DoofusMax wrote: »

The "craft 25 items in your home" pursuit was also not well-considered. I can just about guarantee that there are players out there who do not have crafting stations, do not have writ vouchers to buy crafting stations, and are probably not willing or able to spend the crowns to buy them (having a house in which to place them is another concern, but the free inn rooms are a work-around). Having the pursuit set to "craft 25 items in a player home" would have been a bit more reasonable since there is also a pursuit for visiting other players' homes, so a guildhall or any of the Home Tours "Crafters Havens" would have worked better.

Crafting stations can be picked up really cheap on the Traders. As well there's the numerous crafting stations from Antiquities. Not to mention the 3 free attunable crafting stations given away just a month back.

No crowns or writ vouchers needed.