Everyone is upset about ink and....

Aurielle · July 18

sarahthes wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

I have 10 toons. For most of them, I would like between 2-3 skills. And find the right 2-3 will require some experimentation.

I need well over a hundred for all of that.

Scribing isn't that good though unless you only play tanks and healers and PvP. I guess for rp reasons you could use them solo, but they just don't have that much impact overall.

Like, actually. Lots of different people (not just "streamers" have done the math. The damage they do is weaker than comparable class skills and utility skills, generally because of the extra utility they provide. The heals/shields they provide are also lower, for the same reason.

Many of the people commenting here and in other ink threads are PVP mains. Scribed skills are becoming mandatory in some PVP group compositions… Scribing might not have much of a place in meta PVE DPS, but it’s proving very useful in other areas of the game.

Most of the people wanting 3+ scribed skills per character are not PvP mains.

I don't actually see much scribing used in PvP except on wardens. Their class script is annoying.

*raises hand*

I’m a PVP main / theorycrafter, and I want to try out far more than three scribed skills per character.

I’m seeing scribing used all the time in Cyrodiil, and not just on Wardens… Lots of healers running various flavors of Mender’s Bond, roles of all types rocking various takes on Ulfsild’s, I’ve gotten knocked off walls and resource towers so many times now by that scribed AOE knockback, etc. The only classes that I haven’t seen dipping into scribing all that much are NBs and Sorcs, because their tool kit is already pretty full and OP.

Yeah and I'm seeing them in BGs. I've scribed a couple for battlegrounds. I'm so bad at them I can't tell if the scribed skills help... I've yet to try out the one with knockback.

Haven't seen anything in IC other than a few folks running warding contingency.

Menders bond post nerf is such a terrible heal I'm surprised it's getting used at all.

I mean, IC is largely dominated by NB gankers and people avoiding PVP while farming Tel Var for hakeijos. I’m not surprised you’re not seeing scribed skills much there.

Mender’s Bond might seem weak in isolation on a single player, but slap it on a few healers in a CP Cyrodiil ball group, and… yeah. The shield and resource return iterations of the skill are the most-used versions of Mender’s Bond anyway — not the healing version.

Edit: typo

oldbobdude · July 18

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Why should the system only be readily accessible to those who do this kind of farming? Anyone who doesn't have their face planted against resource nodes grinding away is heavily barred from this system, and even those who do grind can have horrible luck and get nothing.

It's not.

People continue to talk about ink like it's account bound. It's a tradable commodity.

I'm not into harvesting, so I haven't harvested a single ink. NP though, I can do things I enjoy and sell the items I get to buy ink like I do for the vast majority of my crafting resources, motifs, recipes, etc...

It’s a tradable commodity, but it should be acquirable at comparable rates for everyone who grinds crafting nodes in this game — not just the lucky minority who are currently profiting off it. I won’t pay other players for ink until I, too, get to consistently enjoy lucky streaks of 12-20 ink per hour like they do.

I already mentioned how to farm efficiently and your video shows you're not following it. 75% of ink drops from regular ore nodes, let there be 2 or 3 per hour coming from other nodes.

I get most of my ink drops from runestones and pure water... I farm everything, but those pop for me the most often.

Where I never get drops is from trash kills.

@MidniteOwl1913

That’s funny. I’ve never had an ink drop from rune stones or insects (butterfly, torchbug etc). Good to know they do. I’d harvest them anyway for mundane rune. Have you had a drop from any insect? I’ve had at least one from everything else I believe.

Edit: I’ve had several from mobs. Both overland and in dungeons.

MidniteOwl1913 · July 18

oldbobdude wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Why should the system only be readily accessible to those who do this kind of farming? Anyone who doesn't have their face planted against resource nodes grinding away is heavily barred from this system, and even those who do grind can have horrible luck and get nothing.

It's not.

People continue to talk about ink like it's account bound. It's a tradable commodity.

I'm not into harvesting, so I haven't harvested a single ink. NP though, I can do things I enjoy and sell the items I get to buy ink like I do for the vast majority of my crafting resources, motifs, recipes, etc...

It’s a tradable commodity, but it should be acquirable at comparable rates for everyone who grinds crafting nodes in this game — not just the lucky minority who are currently profiting off it. I won’t pay other players for ink until I, too, get to consistently enjoy lucky streaks of 12-20 ink per hour like they do.

I already mentioned how to farm efficiently and your video shows you're not following it. 75% of ink drops from regular ore nodes, let there be 2 or 3 per hour coming from other nodes.

I get most of my ink drops from runestones and pure water... I farm everything, but those pop for me the most often.

Where I never get drops is from trash kills.

@MidniteOwl1913

That’s funny. I’ve never had an ink drop from rune stones or insects (butterfly, torchbug etc). Good to know they do. I’d harvest them anyway for mundane rune. Have you had a drop from any insect? I’ve had at least one from everything else I believe.

Edit: I’ve had several from mobs. Both overland and in dungeons.

No no insect, but I don't harvest those except my accident. My favorite farming area has a lot of runestones. I think that helps. I've also gotten a fair amount of kuta while farming ink.

XSTRONG · July 18

Aurielle wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Why should the system only be readily accessible to those who do this kind of farming? Anyone who doesn't have their face planted against resource nodes grinding away is heavily barred from this system, and even those who do grind can have horrible luck and get nothing.

It's not.

People continue to talk about ink like it's account bound. It's a tradable commodity.

I'm not into harvesting, so I haven't harvested a single ink. NP though, I can do things I enjoy and sell the items I get to buy ink like I do for the vast majority of my crafting resources, motifs, recipes, etc...

It’s a tradable commodity, but it should be acquirable at comparable rates for everyone who grinds crafting nodes in this game — not just the lucky minority who are currently profiting off it. I won’t pay other players for ink until I, too, get to consistently enjoy lucky streaks of 12-20 ink per hour like they do.

I have been playing this game for years and done alot of farming in several zones and I have never gotten Aetherial Dust except for in anniversary box, I use xp pots alot so I just buy them I dont go on forum saying everyone that have Aetherial Dust drops are a bug.

Also im one of those players that get 10+ Ink from a 1 hour farm run once in awhile but dosent mean everytime i harvest a node i get Ink...

If im alone in the farm route i can do 600 nodes in 1 hour and get 0 Ink is that a bug?

There is a massive difference between Aetherial Dust (an XP buff crafting material intended to drop extremely infrequently) and Luminous Ink (an integral component of a new major combat feature in a new chapter).

Second of all, getting no ink every once in a while isn’t a bug, no (just RNG being RNG), but when some players consistently get much lower amounts of ink over time — to the point where other luckier players have hundreds more ink than them — then yes, something could be off.

I have personally never seen 10+ ink after an hour of farming, not even once, and I’ve been farming it a bit longer than you (I’m on PC, you’re on console IIRC). The fact that you’ve gotten lucky like that several times already suggests that maybe there’s something wrong — and it’s affecting my account, not yours. People assume that RNG bugs would affect all players equally, but known RNG bugs associated with account IDs in other games resulted in consistently poor outcomes for some players and not others. It happens, and I would not at all be surprised if it’s what’s happening here.

There is no really big diffrence with what I said about Aetherial Dust, I am using and will in the future use alot more xp pots then Ink and me not getting Aetherial Dust in my farm runs dont make me go on forum saying its bugged and everyone selling it i traders are a bug.

I can understand its annoying not getting enough Ink but saying everyone that do hard farming and get lucky once in awhile with good yield is some kinda of bug because 5 people in forum says they get no Ink is weird in my opinion.

You don’t need to use XP pots to level up your character. You do need to use ink to scribe skills. They’re completely different.

It’s a lot more than five people in the forum having this issue, and considerably more than that who don’t visit the forums are also having problems. A lot of people in my PVP guilds have given up on scribing completely due to the extreme rarity of ink. They don’t want to waste their time farming for hours and only being able to scribe a skill or two. I feel the same way.

I’ll ask the question again, because it still hasn’t been answered: would those of you who don’t want the drop rate to change be OK with us having a guaranteed single ink drop from the first daily quest or RND/BG completed on an account per day? If not, why?

I want a guaranteed drop for Ink yes, 1 per day from a daily that requires some effort like 1st Arc in IA wont make farmers to angry i guess.

I sold my Ink in the first 2 weeks of Gold Road but now I dont.

I think non bot farmers needs and thinks its fun when you get Ink, a bit of fresh air in farming.

I also think they should up the drop rate for ink on bosses.
I dont know how many bosses i killed since chapter realse on pseu and got nothing

Farm nodes endlessly for Ink is not fun in the long run, mainly because of all the bots and the runs that yields no Ink

Necrotech_Master · July 18

XSTRONG wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

XSTRONG wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Why should the system only be readily accessible to those who do this kind of farming? Anyone who doesn't have their face planted against resource nodes grinding away is heavily barred from this system, and even those who do grind can have horrible luck and get nothing.

It's not.

People continue to talk about ink like it's account bound. It's a tradable commodity.

I'm not into harvesting, so I haven't harvested a single ink. NP though, I can do things I enjoy and sell the items I get to buy ink like I do for the vast majority of my crafting resources, motifs, recipes, etc...

It’s a tradable commodity, but it should be acquirable at comparable rates for everyone who grinds crafting nodes in this game — not just the lucky minority who are currently profiting off it. I won’t pay other players for ink until I, too, get to consistently enjoy lucky streaks of 12-20 ink per hour like they do.

I have been playing this game for years and done alot of farming in several zones and I have never gotten Aetherial Dust except for in anniversary box, I use xp pots alot so I just buy them I dont go on forum saying everyone that have Aetherial Dust drops are a bug.

Also im one of those players that get 10+ Ink from a 1 hour farm run once in awhile but dosent mean everytime i harvest a node i get Ink...

If im alone in the farm route i can do 600 nodes in 1 hour and get 0 Ink is that a bug?

There is a massive difference between Aetherial Dust (an XP buff crafting material intended to drop extremely infrequently) and Luminous Ink (an integral component of a new major combat feature in a new chapter).

Second of all, getting no ink every once in a while isn’t a bug, no (just RNG being RNG), but when some players consistently get much lower amounts of ink over time — to the point where other luckier players have hundreds more ink than them — then yes, something could be off.

I have personally never seen 10+ ink after an hour of farming, not even once, and I’ve been farming it a bit longer than you (I’m on PC, you’re on console IIRC). The fact that you’ve gotten lucky like that several times already suggests that maybe there’s something wrong — and it’s affecting my account, not yours. People assume that RNG bugs would affect all players equally, but known RNG bugs associated with account IDs in other games resulted in consistently poor outcomes for some players and not others. It happens, and I would not at all be surprised if it’s what’s happening here.

There is no really big diffrence with what I said about Aetherial Dust, I am using and will in the future use alot more xp pots then Ink and me not getting Aetherial Dust in my farm runs dont make me go on forum saying its bugged and everyone selling it i traders are a bug.

I can understand its annoying not getting enough Ink but saying everyone that do hard farming and get lucky once in awhile with good yield is some kinda of bug because 5 people in forum says they get no Ink is weird in my opinion.

You don’t need to use XP pots to level up your character. You do need to use ink to scribe skills. They’re completely different.

It’s a lot more than five people in the forum having this issue, and considerably more than that who don’t visit the forums are also having problems. A lot of people in my PVP guilds have given up on scribing completely due to the extreme rarity of ink. They don’t want to waste their time farming for hours and only being able to scribe a skill or two. I feel the same way.

I’ll ask the question again, because it still hasn’t been answered: would those of you who don’t want the drop rate to change be OK with us having a guaranteed single ink drop from the first daily quest or RND/BG completed on an account per day? If not, why?

I want a guaranteed drop for Ink yes, 1 per day from a daily that requires some effort like 1st Arc in IA wont make farmers to angry i guess.

I sold my Ink in the first 2 weeks of Gold Road but now I dont.

I think non bot farmers needs and thinks its fun when you get Ink, a bit of fresh air in farming.

I also think they should up the drop rate for ink on bosses.
I dont know how many bosses i killed since chapter realse on pseu and got nothing

Farm nodes endlessly for Ink is not fun in the long run, mainly because of all the bots and the runs that yields no Ink

i would be perfectly happy if they added a guaranteed ink from the archive daily

its better than currently, which is just nothing

just yesterday i did 2 dungeon runs, 4 bastion nymics, 3 west weald dailies, and some misc harvesting in between = 0 ink

the only viable ways to get ink right now are harvest nodes like a bot, or rerun the scribing quests on alts

Orbital78 · July 18

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Cool info, I assume all chests will have it in the loot pool chance then. So far I had only got the one from Tho'at but I haven't done deep grinds of IA. I usually just do Arc 1 clears for the daily.

I wouldn't expect them from the various Stage Bosses those loot boxes have never dropped a lead in my multitudes of runs which means they probably share a different loot table from Tho'at, Maruaders, GW and the Side Portals.

I just got one from a stage boss, 1/3/3. Rejoice, more options and not too difficult. Personally ink is a cool whatever thing now that I have 500 done but info for those that don't want to harvest (harvesting is still the best way IMO).

sarahthes · July 18

Aurielle wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

I have 10 toons. For most of them, I would like between 2-3 skills. And find the right 2-3 will require some experimentation.

I need well over a hundred for all of that.

Scribing isn't that good though unless you only play tanks and healers and PvP. I guess for rp reasons you could use them solo, but they just don't have that much impact overall.

Like, actually. Lots of different people (not just "streamers" have done the math. The damage they do is weaker than comparable class skills and utility skills, generally because of the extra utility they provide. The heals/shields they provide are also lower, for the same reason.

Many of the people commenting here and in other ink threads are PVP mains. Scribed skills are becoming mandatory in some PVP group compositions… Scribing might not have much of a place in meta PVE DPS, but it’s proving very useful in other areas of the game.

Most of the people wanting 3+ scribed skills per character are not PvP mains.

I don't actually see much scribing used in PvP except on wardens. Their class script is annoying.

*raises hand*

I’m a PVP main / theorycrafter, and I want to try out far more than three scribed skills per character.

I’m seeing scribing used all the time in Cyrodiil, and not just on Wardens… Lots of healers running various flavors of Mender’s Bond, roles of all types rocking various takes on Ulfsild’s, I’ve gotten knocked off walls and resource towers so many times now by that scribed AOE knockback, etc. The only classes that I haven’t seen dipping into scribing all that much are NBs and Sorcs, because their tool kit is already pretty full and OP.

Yeah and I'm seeing them in BGs. I've scribed a couple for battlegrounds. I'm so bad at them I can't tell if the scribed skills help... I've yet to try out the one with knockback.

Haven't seen anything in IC other than a few folks running warding contingency.

Menders bond post nerf is such a terrible heal I'm surprised it's getting used at all.

I mean, IC is largely dominated by NB gankers and people avoiding PVP while farming Tel Var for hakeijos. I’m not surprised you’re not seeing scribed skills much there.

Mender’s Bond might seem weak in isolation on a single player, but slap it on a few healers in a CP Cyrodiil ball group, and… yeah. The shield and resource return iterations of the skill are the most-used versions of Mender’s Bond anyway — not the healing version.

Edit: typo

I go to IC for 1v1/1vX without the risk of getting zerged since groups bigger than 4 or 5 people are rare. Lots of good small scale fights certain times of day.

Desiato · July 18

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

Also, it's not an all or nothing thing. A player can add scribed abilities to individual characters on a case by case basis, as needed. It doesn't take much ink to do so.

I have scribed abilities for several of my characters without farming ink from a single node. Some have been amazing additions to my builds.

To me, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face in protest of a perceived injustice. I'm not saying you have to like the implementation of scribing. We all have our own preferences and would all design different games if given the opportunity. But ultimately, you're missing out on something that may be useful purely out of principle.

Necrotech_Master · July 18

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

Also, it's not an all or nothing thing. A player can add scribed abilities to individual characters on a case by case basis, as needed. It doesn't take much ink to do so.

I have scribed abilities for several of my characters without farming ink from a single node. Some have been amazing additions to my builds.

To me, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face in protest of a perceived injustice. I'm not saying you have to like the implementation of scribing. We all have our own preferences and would all design different games if given the opportunity. But ultimately, you're missing out on something that may be useful purely out of principle.

one does need to farm ink to get the achievements, buying ink does not progress that

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

and again, i think the current price of ink is still far too high, even if i was going to buy it, my ideal price range for it would be 20k per stack, not 20k per unit

it literally took all of the ink i earned in the first 4 weeks of gold road to just finish the achievement for scribing each skill at least once (33 ink total cost), and that was 1 character, i have maybe 13 ink right now, which would be 4 more scribe skills/changes at best, i could use that in an afternoon trying out different cases with 1 character

i really like the scribing system from what ive seen, the flexible skills the customization, problem is i cant use it because the ink drop rate is insanely low, ive literally only gotten 3 ink in the past 2 weeks

DenverRalphy · July 18

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

one does need to farm ink to get the achievements, buying ink does not progress that

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

The issue isn't that you can't get the achievement, because you can. The issue you're describing is a lack of patience because you can't get it Righ Now.

Necrotech_Master · July 18

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

one does need to farm ink to get the achievements, buying ink does not progress that

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

The issue isn't that you can't get the achievement, because you can. The issue you're describing is a lack of patience because you can't get it Righ Now.

that has absolutely nothing to do with it, tell me a better way to farm it than harvesting nodes like a bot or the scribing questline where i can guarantee at least 8-10 inks per hour and i will farm it out

0-2 inks per hour harvesting nodes is not worth the effort, buying ink does not make progress on the achievement, killing enemies ive gotten 3 ink in the past 2 weeks

all i want is to see some progress on the achievement, but i cant guarantee that with any method other than rerunning those mind numbing scribe quests

im literally just asking for the ink drop rate to be something more reasonable, if i want to sit there for hours and grind enemies in a public dungeon, i have no problem doing that, in fact i did already do that to finish the entire echo of the abolisher collectible (~3-4 hours of public dungeon farming one day), guess how much ink i got? 1 drop

if i want to farm out 500 ink to get the achievement done faster, thats on me to put in the effort, if im lucky and get 1 drop per hour farming nodes, thats 500 hours worth of node farming i have to do, i already hate farming nodes for more than an hour in 1 sitting, how else am i supposed to make progress on the achievement? killing enemies? well the average is even worse with that, im at 3 drops from enemies in 14 days of playtime, thats an avg of 0.2 ink per day or 5 days for 1 ink, multiply that by 500 for the achievement is 2500 days of playtime

so thanks for telling me i have to wait at least 7 years to finish this achievement at current drop rates, where other people are already finishing the 500 ink achievement because they can avg 10 ink an hour farming nodes

Desiato · July 18

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

Then don't! I don't blame you. I wouldn't bother either. There are lots of achievements that I'd like to have, but aren't worth it to me. That is probably the case for almost every player. It is to be expected.

The ink farming achievement has nothing to do with scribing itself. I can see the connection because ink is used for scribing, but they are separate things. Why bypass scribing entirely because you're bitter about an achievement?

sarahthes · July 18

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

one does need to farm ink to get the achievements, buying ink does not progress that

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

The issue isn't that you can't get the achievement, because you can. The issue you're describing is a lack of patience because you can't get it Righ Now.

that has absolutely nothing to do with it, tell me a better way to farm it than harvesting nodes like a bot or the scribing questline where i can guarantee at least 8-10 inks per hour and i will farm it out

0-2 inks per hour harvesting nodes is not worth the effort, buying ink does not make progress on the achievement, killing enemies ive gotten 3 ink in the past 2 weeks

all i want is to see some progress on the achievement, but i cant guarantee that with any method other than rerunning those mind numbing scribe quests

im literally just asking for the ink drop rate to be something more reasonable, if i want to sit there for hours and grind enemies in a public dungeon, i have no problem doing that, in fact i did already do that to finish the entire echo of the abolisher collectible (~3-4 hours of public dungeon farming one day), guess how much ink i got? 1 drop

if i want to farm out 500 ink to get the achievement done faster, thats on me to put in the effort, if im lucky and get 1 drop per hour farming nodes, thats 500 hours worth of node farming i have to do, i already hate farming nodes for more than an hour in 1 sitting, how else am i supposed to make progress on the achievement? killing enemies? well the average is even worse with that, im at 3 drops from enemies in 14 days of playtime, thats an avg of 0.2 ink per day or 5 days for 1 ink, multiply that by 500 for the achievement is 2500 days of playtime

so thanks for telling me i have to wait at least 7 years to finish this achievement at current drop rates, where other people are already finishing the 500 ink achievement because they can avg 10 ink an hour farming nodes

I think you're misunderstanding the way people are talking about their ink drops.

My best runs have been 10+ ink in an hour. My average is probably closer to 5-6. I'm close to 400 ink now for the achievement. I farm a lot, because I (used to) sell mats.

Necrotech_Master · July 18

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

Then don't! I don't blame you. I wouldn't bother either. There are lots of achievements that I'd like to have, but aren't worth it to me. That is probably the case for almost every player. It is to be expected.

The ink farming achievement has nothing to do with scribing itself. I can see the connection because ink is used for scribing, but they are separate things. Why bypass scribing entirely because you're bitter about an achievement?

because i prefer farming my own mats, dreugh wax, chromium, etc all of those are tradeable commodities too but i dont buy any of them, i actually make a lot of my gold selling my excess or unused mats

other rarer mats like nirncrux i dont farm, but theres alternate methods to get them (burning transmutes and deconning, which is what i commonly do), or hakeijos (i actually enjoy farming tel var)

even rarer materials i dont usually bother with, such as aetherial dust, firstly its only beneficial for xp pots which i dont need (almost cp2700), most of the only reason i even get any perfect roe is because i still have fishing achievements left, and i dont like fishing either, but at least i feel like i can make progress on those even on days when the drop rate isnt great

if we had alternate sources of ink besides ridiculously low drop rates, or the questline, i would probably do it, such as being able to buy it with other currency such as AP or tel var

there are some days i want to pvp, but right now theres 0 viable drop sources from pvp so any day im pvping is a day i can definitely take a big fat L on getting ink

im just trying to be objective and realistic about the drops, im a completionist so i want to finish the achievements, but the drop rate of the ink is so bad its frustrating

monster trophies were frustrating too, but i only needed 1 drop to finish each of those requirements, its a lot easier to do a rare drop grind when you only need 1 drop, but when you need hundreds its almost demoralizing when your drop rate is as bad as mine as been

Desiato · July 18

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

im just trying to be objective and realistic about the drops, im a completionist so i want to finish the achievements, but the drop rate of the ink is so bad its frustrating

Being a completionist in eso is a path to misery unless a person happens to enjoy every facet of the game and lives in a different dimension with 72 hour days. ESO is an extremely diverse game with an even more diverse audience. Not all things are made with all players in mind.

If I took your approach, I wouldn't be able to enjoy ESO. I used to farm all my own upgrade mats, but I haven't had time to do so for years. I got into trials a few months ago and have since used upwards of 600+ dreugh wax and other upgrade mats. I would not have had time to enjoy trials and farm those myself.

Fortunately, I could focus on what I enjoy and pay others to do the farming for me by buying mats from them.

And there are those who enjoy harvesting. To them, ink has been a bonus opportunity added to what they already enjoy doing. I'm glad they have an achievement they can work towards in line with their interests. I don't think others should be bitter about a reward being offered to a different kind of player.

Necrotech_Master · July 18

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

im just trying to be objective and realistic about the drops, im a completionist so i want to finish the achievements, but the drop rate of the ink is so bad its frustrating

Being a completionist in eso is a path to misery unless a person happens to enjoy every facet of the game and lives in a different dimension with 72 hour days. ESO is an extremely diverse game with an even more diverse audience. Not all things are made with all players in mind.

If I took your approach, I wouldn't be able to enjoy ESO. I used to farm all my own upgrade mats, but I haven't had time to do so for years. I got into trials a few months ago and have since used upwards of 600+ dreugh wax and other upgrade mats. I would not have had time to enjoy trials and farm those myself.

Fortunately, I could focus on what I enjoy and pay others to do the farming for me by buying mats from them.

And there are those who enjoy harvesting. To them, ink has been a bonus opportunity added to what they already enjoy doing. I'm glad they have an achievement they can work towards in line with their interests. I don't think others should be bitter about a reward being offered to a different kind of player.

i never said i was bitter about the location of the drop, im annoyed at the drop rate

for those activities that i dont enjoy as much, such as fishing, i work on it slower, theres still many zones i havent finished the fishing achievements in because its not something i enjoy doing much, could i finish those in a couple days? sure, would i enjoy doing that? absolutely not. to add to this, fishing is also not blocking use of any other system in the game like ink is

i even enjoy tribute, but again not all of the time

thats kind of how i view harvesting, i dont mind doing harvesting in small bursts such as waiting for a queue or trial to start, but because of the drop rate, the chance im gonna see ink doing this is almost none

right now there are no real viable ways to farm ink its:

harvest like a bot and hope you get lucky
kill thousands of enemies and hope you get lucky
(upcoming) loot heavy sacks and treasure chests (since this isnt out yet dont know what the avg ink drop rate is from those, but right now im expecting it to be not great)
and the most guaranteed way is running the 4 wing quests of the scribing line (+12 ink per character)

the only "sourcing" problem i have is with pvp, as there is none from there, the rest of it is a drop rate problem because it doesnt drop in meaningful quantities

if the ink dropped at a rate between say kuta and furnishing materials, i would have been happy and wouldnt have an issue with the system, but right now the drop rate of ink is somewhere between nirncux and aetherial dust (one of those is pretty rare already, the other is so rare you cant really "farm" for it)

edit: spelling/clarity

oldbobdude · July 18

Indirectly about ink. I’ve not had difficulty farming it but, I recently created a scribed skill. I thought I would change the affix from flame to shock damage. I went to the scholarium and found to my dismay that I could not change the affix script for one ink, I could only recreate the whole thing for three inks. What?

CP5 · July 18

You should be able to re-use any affixes that you don't change without a cost. But if you want to go from shock back to fire, that'll be another ink.

MidniteOwl1913 · July 18

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

one does need to farm ink to get the achievements, buying ink does not progress that

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

The issue isn't that you can't get the achievement, because you can. The issue you're describing is a lack of patience because you can't get it Righ Now.

Sorry but there is a lot of room between "now" and a year from now (based on the current for some players drop rate). There isn't anything wrong with wanting some time frame closer to now than next year.

sarahthes · July 19

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

one does need to farm ink to get the achievements, buying ink does not progress that

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

The issue isn't that you can't get the achievement, because you can. The issue you're describing is a lack of patience because you can't get it Righ Now.

Sorry but there is a lot of room between "now" and a year from now (based on the current for some players drop rate). There isn't anything wrong with wanting some time frame closer to now than next year.

If you want it fast, farm hard. If you want it slow, farm casually or not at all. If you want it somewhere in between, farm hard occasionally.

TaSheen · July 19

sarahthes wrote: »

If you want it fast, farm hard. If you want it slow, farm casually or not at all. If you want it somewhere in between, farm hard occasionally.

I don't want it at all. No problem for me. I do understand that there are people who jones over achievements.... but that's actually a manipulative situation by ZOS....

Necrotech_Master · July 19

sarahthes wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

one does need to farm ink to get the achievements, buying ink does not progress that

i want the achievements, and the current ink drop rate makes it nigh impossible to even try unless i spend 50+ hours of node farming, which sounds like absolute hell and not something i want to spend my time in game doing

The issue isn't that you can't get the achievement, because you can. The issue you're describing is a lack of patience because you can't get it Righ Now.

Sorry but there is a lot of room between "now" and a year from now (based on the current for some players drop rate). There isn't anything wrong with wanting some time frame closer to now than next year.

If you want it fast, farm hard. If you want it slow, farm casually or not at all. If you want it somewhere in between, farm hard occasionally.

i tried farming hard for a week, and got barely anything, absolutely not worth wasting my time doing that with the current drop rate

if the drop rate was increased, i would be farming a lot harder, but right now its not worth it

ragnarok6644b14_ESO · July 19

Tonight I farmed Tower Zero furnishing leads in Stormhold.

I got 2 leads in about 20 minutes and 4 ink in the same time. I was so stunned I didn't know what to do for the other 1hr and 40 minutes I had planned. (Had hit the 3 leads I needed to just vendor Tower Zero).

RNG is "streaky" and it just is what it is. Human intuition around RNG is *** up (gambler's fallacy and its inverse, gambler's conceit, gambler's ruin - all some examples of different ways it can be *** up, some of which result from overcompensating for the other ways).

The only way to determine if your RNG is truly bad or truly good is rigorous comparative statistical analysis, and we simply don't have the data that ZOS does. I think making a bug report is probably worthwhile just to see if they look, maybe something is wrong! Or, maybe not. They can't know either if they aren't doing that analysis.

Just remember that the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence".

Rowjoh · July 19

Not everyone.

Most of you still seem to be unaware that by simply completing the quest again on a different character gives you another x12 inks. Even if you dont have an alt then rolling one is still way quicker than the drop rate and you can do the quest from level 25.

While repeating the scribing quest on multiple alts is tedious to say the least, it's by far the quickest way to obtain a good supply at x12 inks per 2 hours per completion, and most of you are really only ever going to need a maximum of 2 or 3 runs.

Woozywyvern · July 19

Desiato wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Again, it's a tradable commodity. It is abundant in guild traders. One does not need to farm it. You seem to think some things are worth farming. You can farm those things, sell those things and use the gold from the sale to buy ink.

Also, it's not an all or nothing thing. A player can add scribed abilities to individual characters on a case by case basis, as needed. It doesn't take much ink to do so.

I have scribed abilities for several of my characters without farming ink from a single node. Some have been amazing additions to my builds.

To me, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face in protest of a perceived injustice. I'm not saying you have to like the implementation of scribing. We all have our own preferences and would all design different games if given the opportunity. But ultimately, you're missing out on something that may be useful purely out of principle.

This is the problem. Something tied to a major expansion should not need to be intensively farmed to be enjoyed. I am a failry heavy player, 2 hours a day, more like 6 a day at the weekend. No other system in the game requires me to intensively farm to engage with it. It shouldn't be this way with a commodity tied to a major expansion system that is inherently based on experimentation. Ink should not be tradeable. Drop rates should be increased. There should be a way to collect Ink daily, even if it was a smaller daily guaranteed reward.

I'm not saying that everyone should be overflowing with ink, but it should be a good enough drop rate and obtainable during normal gameplay to engage with the system.

reiverx · July 19

The problem isn't RNG in itself. There's nothing wrong with using (psuedo) RNG to determine if you get or don't get a drop. I'd also say that it's unlikely that RNG is tied to your account. Regardless, we are all running the same code.

The problem is the drop rate as a percentage. It's just really low and I think we're seeing the outliers on both ends of the scale.

Rowjoh · July 19

there is no problem with obtaining ink.

As I've already posted here, it seems most of you are unaware that by simply completing the scribing quest again on a different character gives you another x12 inks.

If you have 2 alts then that's x24 inks, and so on and so forth, but most players will only ever need a maximum of a couple of additional quest runs.

TaSheen · July 19

Rowjoh wrote: »

there is no problem with obtaining ink.

As I've already posted here, it seems most of you are unaware that by simply completing the scribing quest again on a different character gives you another x12 inks.

If you have 2 alts then that's x24 inks, and so on and so forth, but most players will only ever need a maximum of a couple of additional quest runs.

It's what I'm doing - but then, I have an infinite ability to enjoy a quest line like scribing over and over. Though the silly part is I really don't have much need at the moment for ink - zero use for achievements (never even look at the page, even when one pops for some odd reason); not really much interest in what's available right now for scribing; and not even sure yet if the class mastery scripts will be worth much (probably will depend on class). If I had to mess with getting the class mastery scraps other than with master writs I wouldn't mess with that either - but I always do master writs on all my accounts/mains (well, except for the "baby" account which isn't CP 160 yet, and won't be for a while).

OsUfi · July 19

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Rowjoh wrote: »

there is no problem with obtaining ink.

As I've already posted here, it seems most of you are unaware that by simply completing the scribing quest again on a different character gives you another x12 inks.

If you have 2 alts then that's x24 inks, and so on and so forth, but most players will only ever need a maximum of a couple of additional quest runs.

We're aware of what you said. It's just a terrible solution to an issue that should not exist.

CP5 · July 19

Rowjoh wrote: »

there is no problem with obtaining ink.

As I've already posted here, it seems most of you are unaware that by simply completing the scribing quest again on a different character gives you another x12 inks.

If you have 2 alts then that's x24 inks, and so on and so forth, but most players will only ever need a maximum of a couple of additional quest runs.

A finite source of ink that involves doing one of the dullest quest lines ZOS has put out. I'd much rather just not play ESO at all than mindlessly grind resources for ink, and doing that dull quest of 'stand here press e' on my alts, most of whom don't have wayshrines readily open to them, I simply choose to not touch the game at all. Many other players do the same. What's the point of those other ink drop sources if they drop so rarely they may as well not exist? Why should ink be so heavily skewed in the direction of two sources when you're explicitly given more sources of ink? If ZOS wants people to engage with the system, ink needs to be a reliably enough resource to find to justify spending it.