Everyone is upset about ink and....

Remathilis · July 15

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Honestly, you are all reallyyyyy not understanding the whole concept of a slow gameplay mechanic.

Spellcra...Scribing
Was added as something to do to prolong gameplay over the course of months and years. Not weeks and days.

Your not ment to try every spell right away. Or even soon.

It's designed to keep you invested long term. Like research on crafting. And horse mounts.

It's not a one and done.
Ink is RARE. That's FINEEEE.

The new chapter has not even been out a whole month yet on console.

Me personally I am very excited to have something to do that isn't finished in a week.

Something that extends the life of my game.

People have said it already you can buy ink if your impatient.

But I can think of nothing more lore friendly to the learning of Magic and spell then a little bit of patience.

I agree with your content, but not your clickbaity title. Not EVERYONE is upset. Clearly. I'm certainly not. You don't seem to be.

Right Right next time I'll pick a title people don't want to click on. Also most ppl have disagreed in this thread with me.

I still stand by what I think.

Someone complained something about getting an ink in an hour. If your able to farm enough ink to scribe a spell in a day or two that's plenty fast.

Everyone is wanting to try out a bunch of spells all at once and that's just nor the way the system was intended.

Do you think it’s right that some players are getting 10+ ink an hour (someone even boasted about getting 20 in an hour once), while other players who are also farming are consistently getting one or two ink per hour max, if that? Do you think it’s right that there are some players who aren’t farming at all who still have significantly more ink than players who are farming?

The point is that people who want to engage with scribing either have to spend an extraordinary amount of time grinding for a paltry amount of ink, or they have to pay other players (who are consistently much luckier than them) 20k+ gold per ink. Scribing is a system with thousands of possible combinations that was designed for build experimentation, and it really doesn’t make sense to limit its use this severely. It’s also frustrating that there’s such a disparity between players in terms of ease of acquiring ink.

Yes I think it's right. This is one long winded way to say you don't like RNG

RNG can be fine, if the drop rates are high enough to matter

nobody enjoys farming something with <1% drop chance

ive currently only gotten 3 ink in the past 2 weeks, thats enough to scribe 1 skill, for 1 toon

i have 11 characters, if i scribe the skill and i dont like it and want to change it, your telling me i now got to wait another 2 weeks to have enough ink for it?

and then what about the other 10 characters i also want to experiment with?

its been ~5 weeks since i scribed anything, mostly because ive barely had enough ink to do anything with, the system is basically dead to me, i have no use for it if i cant scribe anything

and yes, because of my absolute garbage tier drop rate for ink, i feel like im being forced to buy ink from literally any player who claims they can make 10 ink per hour doing the same farming i tried to do

at my current rate of getting ink, its going to take me years to finish the achievement for it, through absolutely no control of my own because my drop rates are such garbage

if im spending an hour doing nothing but harvesting every material node in sight, max speed, plentiful, master gatherer, and can still maybe net 1 ink per hour if im lucky, something is downright wrong, especially when the next person over says they do the exact same thing and get 10 inks an hour

Your STILL not getting it.

It's ment to take years. It's ment to be slow. It's ment to be a time suck and a long term goal.

You are not ment to change the spells constantly or experiment non stop or on repeat right away.

And if you DO want to do that either be lucky or rich.

Then it's a pointless system.

I have enough respec scrolls to change my whole build from mag to stam and back. I can remorph all my skills almost at will. It's pocket change to change my whole cp setup and I can farm enough transmutes to make a whole set of armor in one day of random dungeons. I can remake my toon into a DPS, healer, and tank and back in a week. Yet I can't make a single set of scribed skills for even see what the skills do, let alone try different setups. I have every skill, every script (even class) but less so little ink that I basically forget it's even a thing.

So unless some streamer advises a specific build that needs a specific scribed skill, I'm not trying them out on my own. Stuff is too rare to waste.

sarahthes · July 15

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Look the R in RNG means that some days you lose but some days you win. To have a consistently low return, or high, on time invested isn't random.

That's the problem. I think that drop rate is too low and that the 1-2 an hour is intended. With a dedicated farming build and 2 hours, I should get more than 2 drops. But the drop rate is a separate issue from the bug.

It's the 10-20 is an hour that's the bug. A bug I hope they fix quickly.

I'm the person who said they get 10-20 per hour. That said, I only get that on good days. On bad days I get 5-10 per day with anywhere from 1-6 hours of farming (I don't farm for more than 2-3 hours most days tho).

I've gotten about 350 ink since the chapter released. I have not been farming with the intent of getting ink. I've been farming for potion mats since all my gold goes to my guild trader and I don't want to pay for potions. Ink is just a byproduct of me trying to farm enough mats to make 800-1000 tripots a week.

MidniteOwl1913 · July 15

sarahthes wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Look the R in RNG means that some days you lose but some days you win. To have a consistently low return, or high, on time invested isn't random.

That's the problem. I think that drop rate is too low and that the 1-2 an hour is intended. With a dedicated farming build and 2 hours, I should get more than 2 drops. But the drop rate is a separate issue from the bug.

It's the 10-20 is an hour that's the bug. A bug I hope they fix quickly.

I'm the person who said they get 10-20 per hour. That said, I only get that on good days. On bad days I get 5-10 per day with anywhere from 1-6 hours of farming (I don't farm for more than 2-3 hours most days tho).

I've gotten about 350 ink since the chapter released. I have not been farming with the intent of getting ink. I've been farming for potion mats since all my gold goes to my guild trader and I don't want to pay for potions. Ink is just a byproduct of me trying to farm enough mats to make 800-1000 tripots a week.

Ok, 5-10 is still waay more than my average and I have been farming for ink daily. I have gotten about 90 ink total. I don't have good days. It sounds like you have average RNG, good to know someone does.

Aurielle · July 15

LaintalAy wrote: »

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TO be blunt: I and possibly others are tired of hearing your theory that some players are being deliberately advantaged and are making gold, whilst you are being somehow disadvantaged by the same process.

If you can't invest the time needed, then your only other option is spend the gold and buy the ink that you need.
This is EXACTLY the same for all of us.

I am investing the time needed. When I’m not at work (I do 12h shift work on a part time basis), I play this game for an average of 3-4 hours or more on my off days, sometimes as long as 8 hours total over the course of a day. I farm for ink every other day. This is my entire point. I’m doing the necessary work for ink, and the stuff just isn’t dropping for me at the rate it’s dropping for some other players here. Stop telling me it’s my fault. It isn’t. I’m not paying other players for their ink, because I shouldn’t have to.

Edit: oh, and also, please stop calling me an amateur farmer. The bulk of the gold I have was acquired by farming and selling potent nirncrux. I’ve been playing this game since beta. I know how to farm.

DMuehlhausen · July 15

There is slow and then there is making it ridiculous and just not fun.

I'm all for having to grind to get materials, came from EQ and early WoW days needing FR pot mats.

Every week though I do surveys (have 14 max level characters to craft with) I do over 100 every week and hit every node I see essentially. I've found about 9 since launch. That is just silly and to low, when I say 9 that's from nodes and killing enemies in dungeons, and trials and just randomly...9 no it needs to be increased.

Scaletho · July 15

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Honestly, you are all reallyyyyy not understanding the whole concept of a slow gameplay mechanic.

Spellcra...Scribing
Was added as something to do to prolong gameplay over the course of months and years. Not weeks and days.

Your not ment to try every spell right away. Or even soon.

It's designed to keep you invested long term. Like research on crafting. And horse mounts.

It's not a one and done.
Ink is RARE. That's FINEEEE.

The new chapter has not even been out a whole month yet on console.

Me personally I am very excited to have something to do that isn't finished in a week.

Something that extends the life of my game.

People have said it already you can buy ink if your impatient.

But I can think of nothing more lore friendly to the learning of Magic and spell then a little bit of patience.

Oh my gosh...

DoofusMax · July 16

I'm not particularly bothered one way or the other. I've only got three or four toons who have even unlocked the altar. Of those, three have completed the Scholarium quest line (gimme dat skill point), one of those has collected all scripts except Class Mastery (still need a bit more than a dozen scraps to unlock it) and the other two are a few scripts shy of that.

Because my Bank runneth over with junk, I pulled out a small stack of Treasure Maps and picked up 7 or 8 inks today from as-I-went harvesting while running those down (I'm currently a bit under 100 inks), but I've only used maybe six or nine inks and those were because there have been endeavors for using scribed abilities on enemies; Wield Soul isn't an outstanding damage-dealer, so something with a bit more oomph was necessary. Beyond that, I'm reasonably content to just piddle my way through on the other toons. If I get inks, fine, and if I don't, fine. Call me FOMO-resistant, but my toons will all get there eventually.

OtarTheMad · July 16

I think some people just aren’t hearing what some of us, me included, has been saying about ink. I don’t mind that ink is difficult to get but some peoples RNG is just bad with it.

I don’t see why some can’t see that. It’s great if you have awesome RNG, that’s cool, no issue with it. However, some don’t have great RNG with ink, like me, and it just turns me away from Scribing. Also kind of turned me away from the game, I found another game I am having a complete blast on.

I don’t have the time to sit and farm for hours and hours and hours in the game. I also have zero issue with things that take time, like getting GO in PvP, some can get it quick but I haven’t yet even tho I have been here since 2014 (I have many alts lol) and that’s okay.

It just needs to have some balance, maybe as part of the dailies, once a day they also have a chance to drop ink too on top of the zone boxes and Scribing spells.

BlueRaven · July 16

16 world boss kills across four zones. And add a mirrormoor incursion and a delve daily, all the while farming along the way. Zero ink drops.

22 inks in total in my bank, that includes the inks from the quest line.

This is a terrible way to run a system.

Aurielle · July 16

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'm not particularly bothered one way or the other. I've only got three or four toons who have even unlocked the altar. Of those, three have completed the Scholarium quest line (gimme dat skill point), one of those has collected all scripts except Class Mastery (still need a bit more than a dozen scraps to unlock it) and the other two are a few scripts shy of that.

Because my Bank runneth over with junk, I pulled out a small stack of Treasure Maps and picked up 7 or 8 inks today from as-I-went harvesting while running those down (I'm currently a bit under 100 inks), but I've only used maybe six or nine inks and those were because there have been endeavors for using scribed abilities on enemies; Wield Soul isn't an outstanding damage-dealer, so something with a bit more oomph was necessary. Beyond that, I'm reasonably content to just piddle my way through on the other toons. If I get inks, fine, and if I don't, fine. Call me FOMO-resistant, but my toons will all get there eventually.

Can you provide some more info, @DoofusMax ? Exactly how much ink have you collected thus far under the Ink Amasser achievement? Also, do you actively farm for ink (or other crafting materials) in starter zones? If so, how long do you typically farm for during each session?

The reason why I'm asking is because it sounds like you're taking a more casual approach than some of us are, and you are already closing in on 100 inks.

This is where I'm at thus far after actively and extensively farming for ink on a dedicated farming build since Gold Road's release:

Other people who have been actively and extensively farming for ink over the same time period are close on 350-500 inks, or even over 500. Other people who have been taking a more casual approach (i.e. picking up mats here and there while questing or doing surveys / treasure chest digs) have around 30 or less inks.

pklemming · July 16

Ink has not been a problem for me, with me getting anywhere from 8 to 12 a day without actively farming mobs. I have multiple tanks. Done a lot of scribing. i think I have around 50 in sitting in my craft bag still right now.

Aurielle · July 16

pklemming wrote: »

Ink has not been a problem for me, with me getting anywhere from 8 to 12 a day without actively farming mobs. I have multiple tanks. Done a lot of scribing. i think I have around 50 in sitting in my craft bag still right now.

And this right here is why the ink RNG needs to be investigated, if it isn’t under investigation already. There is such a massive, consistent disparity in ink drops between different players, it’s not even funny. I wouldn’t be complaining about ink either if I could passively get 8 to 12 per day without farming for it.

Could you share your Ink Amasser achievement progress, @pklemming ? I’m just curious.

BXR_Lonestar · July 16

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Honestly, you are all reallyyyyy not understanding the whole concept of a slow gameplay mechanic.

Spellcra...Scribing
Was added as something to do to prolong gameplay over the course of months and years. Not weeks and days.

Your not ment to try every spell right away. Or even soon.

It's designed to keep you invested long term. Like research on crafting. And horse mounts.

It's not a one and done.
Ink is RARE. That's FINEEEE.

The new chapter has not even been out a whole month yet on console.

Me personally I am very excited to have something to do that isn't finished in a week.

Something that extends the life of my game.

People have said it already you can buy ink if your impatient.

But I can think of nothing more lore friendly to the learning of Magic and spell then a little bit of patience.

I haven't bought any ink and I think I have plenty - at least for one character.

I built a run speed setup so I can zip around any area and farm nodes at a rapid pace and I can collect sometimes 5-8 ink every hour or so. the last time I farmed it, I got 5 ink within 15 minutes.

Some people are just really lazy and don't like doing things for themselves.

itsfatbass · July 16

Orbital78 wrote: »

I'm happy they seem to have added ink drops to the bosses in the Archive, at least I found one from Tho'at's chest.

Check your corner Leyawiin market if you need ink.

Buying the ink doesn't satisfy the achievement though, achievement requires you to LOOT or gain as a quest reward.

Orbital78 · July 16

I understand that, the only achievement that really matters to me, is getting 50 for the skill style. If you want them to play with the system and cannot get them yourselves they are cheap.

DoofusMax · July 16

Aurielle wrote: »

Can you provide some more info, @DoofusMax ? Exactly how much ink have you collected thus far under the Ink Amasser achievement? Also, do you actively farm for ink (or other crafting materials) in starter zones? If so, how long do you typically farm for during each session?

I do not actively farm (starter zones or elsewhere), or at least no more actively than I farm anything. I have found that if I actively chase after some resource, RNG turns into a very harsh mistress and I get frustrated and bent out of shape when particular stuff doesn't drop. I'm a casual gatherer to that extent, except Nirncrux, which I need for Master Writs, and Mudcrab Chitin for that one <censored> Alchemy daily.

I will generally make a Craglorn run every day or two and will often get a couple or three inks off of that, and I'll hit nodes as I'm running around from place to place doing dailies, quests, or whatever (also usually good for an ink or three). I have Plentiful Harvest fully perked out, so about 50/50 on whether I get one ink or two from a drop. At a rough guess, the drop rate for inks is somewhat less than the drop rate for Potent Nirncrux, just not confined to Craglorn. I studiously avoid starter zones because of all the farmers. Except for Craglorn (sole source for Nirncrux), I'm mostly running around in the regular alliance zones for dailies, or zones other than Vvardenfell for expansions. For the Ink Amasser achievement, I'd have to go in-game to look, but will do that later today if it's important.

Necrotech_Master · July 16

Orbital78 wrote: »

I understand that, the only achievement that really matters to me, is getting 50 for the skill style. If you want them to play with the system and cannot get them yourselves they are cheap.

to me 20k per ink is not cheap, especially for a consumable item

if i could buy a stack of 200 for 20k (100g per unit), then sure its cheap, but its 20k PER ink right now, which is not cheap (4 mil gold for a stack of 200)

i dont really like paying more than 20-30k per motif chapter, and those are 1 time purchases

Orbital78 · July 16

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

to me 20k per ink is not cheap, especially for a consumable item

if i could buy a stack of 200 for 20k (100g per unit), then sure its cheap, but its 20k PER ink right now, which is not cheap (4 mil gold for a stack of 200)

i dont really like paying more than 20-30k per motif chapter, and those are 1 time purchases

That is your choice and option to make. If you can't spend a few hours a day to do some harvesting to sell mats to buy ink or earn them yourself there isn't much to be said. Personally I'd like to find more Aetherial Dust, I'd like to get a stack heck 10 for one million gold. People say it is rarer than Potent Nirncrux. Potent Nirncrux is selling for 40-50k a pop.

OsUfi · July 16

Orbital78 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

to me 20k per ink is not cheap, especially for a consumable item

if i could buy a stack of 200 for 20k (100g per unit), then sure its cheap, but its 20k PER ink right now, which is not cheap (4 mil gold for a stack of 200)

i dont really like paying more than 20-30k per motif chapter, and those are 1 time purchases

That is your choice and option to make. If you can't spend a few hours a day to do some harvesting to sell mats to buy ink or earn them yourself there isn't much to be said.

A few hours a day is outside the realms of playable for a lot of ESO players. If we're talking about endgame vet content, absolutely 100%, grind grind grind, git gud. But we're not. We're talking about a system we were sold under the ideology that we would be able to experiment with "over 4,000 combinations." It's currently so cost/time/resource prohibitive, many of us won't experiment at all. We'll just wait for the YouTubers to figure out the meta and follow that. Which is not what we were sold and is, IMHO, a total waste of what could be an interesting and fun system.

Orbital78 · July 16

IMO you should totally wait for guides on what are the good combos and actually wait for the U43 buffs to the skills, there are going to be some good updates if they keep similar to what was in the notes so far. Farming a few hours a day is for the people that need 50-100. Most people probably don't need that many. 1-2 hours I generally can get 8-20 inks depending on my luck and how much effort I put in. Ink isn't my main goal though, I have been farming silk and leather scraps mostly to stock up on dreugh wax to upgrade future sets. I have more ink than I could use, so no worries here. I just don't want it clogging up my inventory like runes and trait materials where I need addons to delete and manage them for me. Console users don't get that luxury.

TheNuminous1 · July 16

Holycannoli wrote: »

I farmed the crap out of Stros M’Kai the other night and found 8 ink total. None were on the mobs, it was all from resource nodes.

It’s not sustainable. That’s not even three skills for a single character let alone for alts.

It’s faster right now to create new alts to farm the luminary quests.

You literally farmed enough to try almost 3 spells out. In one day. That's plenty fast and if you disagree your just impatient which is kinda my whole point. Your all too impatient

OsUfi · July 16

Orbital78 wrote: »

1-2 hours I generally can get 8-20 inks depending on my luck and how much effort I put in.

Read this comments on this post. Properly. Watch Aurielles videos. 8-20 inks for 1-2 hours? You're getting way more than many of us, which is a core issue throughout all of the comments here. The massively unbalanced RNG.

Orbital78 · July 16

The only thing I can think is they are following someone cherry picking the nodes in a crowded area. If someone genuinely feels there is a bug, what is the support ticket number and get it highlighted by a moderator to address it.

TheNuminous1 · July 16

OsUfi wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

1-2 hours I generally can get 8-20 inks depending on my luck and how much effort I put in.

Read this comments on this post. Properly. Watch Aurielles videos. 8-20 inks for 1-2 hours? You're getting way more than many of us, which is a core issue throughout all of the comments here. The massively unbalanced RNG.

R A N D O M. what about that are you not understanding. Truly. Genuinely.

This whole game for TEN YEARS has made me battle RANDOM.

Before transmute crystals and curated drops do you know how hard a sharpened inferno staff of spellweave was to get? How many times I farmed city of ash AND NEVER GOT IT.

If people are seriously complaining about ink drops then they don't remember the dark times.

If your all so inpatient BUY it.

But seriously. Random is random is random. Some people are lucky some people are not.

This is the way of the universe and the game just emulated that on a small scale.

Pray harder to rnjeesus cause it's just random fate that your not getting ink.

And for reference I have only gotten ONE ink to drop organically for me. Since the dlc came out.

And I realllyyy want to use the new system.

But I'm patient.

Necrotech_Master · July 16

Orbital78 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

to me 20k per ink is not cheap, especially for a consumable item

if i could buy a stack of 200 for 20k (100g per unit), then sure its cheap, but its 20k PER ink right now, which is not cheap (4 mil gold for a stack of 200)

i dont really like paying more than 20-30k per motif chapter, and those are 1 time purchases

That is your choice and option to make. If you can't spend a few hours a day to do some harvesting to sell mats to buy ink or earn them yourself there isn't much to be said. Personally I'd like to find more Aetherial Dust, I'd like to get a stack heck 10 for one million gold. People say it is rarer than Potent Nirncrux. Potent Nirncrux is selling for 40-50k a pop.

i have over 100 mil gold in the bank, but mostly because i dont waste it on overpriced junk and make usually a few hundred thousand gold a week in sales on guild stores

and like ive said before, buying ink does not progress the achievements, which is half of the reason im frustrated with ink drops

if buying ink completed the achievements, i still likely wouldnt buy ink at the current price, but i would probably complain less about the drop rate, and just continue ignoring the system

EdjeSwift · July 16

Whelp, just found out Ink drops from Side Portals in the Archive... lovely.

Which means they're most likely flagged as "bosses" a la Tho'at chests so it would make sense they share the same loot table.

BlueRaven · July 16

Orbital78 wrote: »

I understand that, the only achievement that really matters to me, is getting 50 for the skill style. If you want them to play with the system and cannot get them yourselves they are cheap.

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

1-2 hours I generally can get 8-20 inks depending on my luck and how much effort I put in.

Read this comments on this post. Properly. Watch Aurielles videos. 8-20 inks for 1-2 hours? You're getting way more than many of us, which is a core issue throughout all of the comments here. The massively unbalanced RNG.

R A N D O M. what about that are you not understanding. Truly. Genuinely.

This whole game for TEN YEARS has made me battle RANDOM.

Before transmute crystals and curated drops do you know how hard a sharpened inferno staff of spellweave was to get? How many times I farmed city of ash AND NEVER GOT IT.

If people are seriously complaining about ink drops then they don't remember the dark times.

If your all so inpatient BUY it.

But seriously. Random is random is random. Some people are lucky some people are not.

This is the way of the universe and the game just emulated that on a small scale.

Pray harder to rnjeesus cause it's just random fate that your not getting ink.

And for reference I have only gotten ONE ink to drop organically for me. Since the dlc came out.

And I realllyyy want to use the new system.

But I'm patient.

If people are CONSISTENTLY only getting one maybe two, that is not RANDOM.

Random is going through a bad spell for an hour or so. Not all the time over several days or even weeks in my case.

xyphrum · July 16

10 ink per hour average sounds about right for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzIroBQltY

Necrotech_Master · July 16

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

OsUfi wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

1-2 hours I generally can get 8-20 inks depending on my luck and how much effort I put in.

Read this comments on this post. Properly. Watch Aurielles videos. 8-20 inks for 1-2 hours? You're getting way more than many of us, which is a core issue throughout all of the comments here. The massively unbalanced RNG.

R A N D O M. what about that are you not understanding. Truly. Genuinely.

This whole game for TEN YEARS has made me battle RANDOM.

Before transmute crystals and curated drops do you know how hard a sharpened inferno staff of spellweave was to get? How many times I farmed city of ash AND NEVER GOT IT.

If people are seriously complaining about ink drops then they don't remember the dark times.

If your all so inpatient BUY it.

But seriously. Random is random is random. Some people are lucky some people are not.

This is the way of the universe and the game just emulated that on a small scale.

Pray harder to rnjeesus cause it's just random fate that your not getting ink.

And for reference I have only gotten ONE ink to drop organically for me. Since the dlc came out.

And I realllyyy want to use the new system.

But I'm patient.

what do you not understand about buying it does not progress the achievement? and how the price for it is downright insane right now?

i would not buy ink until the price came down to 20k per stack, but its to me incredibly overpriced at 20k per unit for something that is effectively a currency

like i said before, you can play as slow or as fast as you want in here

in this case we want to do more with the system now, but because of the garbage drop rate some of us cant even effectively farm it to actually do more with the system

i remember those times, before transmuting, before recreating, before curation and ill say, it was not worth my time to bother farming then, i got A drop of the weapon i wanted, and used it regardless of the trait because the completed set was more important than having it 100% optimized

when they added transmuting, recreation, curation and such, i started farming a lot more because i could guarantee my results (curation) and i wouldnt have to re-farm as much (recreation/transmutation)

i value my time, and i want to see progress when im farming, but if i farm for an hour and get maybe 1 ink, its not worth farming, that is the whole "pre transmute, pre curation, pre recreate" environment that i thought we got past

to me, the system is not worth my time to bother investing in especially if you cannot get reasonable amount of ink right now

Orbital78 · July 16

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Whelp, just found out Ink drops from Side Portals in the Archive... lovely.

Which means they're most likely flagged as "bosses" a la Tho'at chests so it would make sense they share the same loot table.

Cool info, I assume all chests will have it in the loot pool chance then. So far I had only got the one from Tho'at but I haven't done deep grinds of IA. I usually just do Arc 1 clears for the daily.