ZOS, Massive Spike in Ping/LAG in Recent Days - What Gives?

LadyGP

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

PC NA Never use Addons or a VPN.

I will say I started getting some reallllly weird bugs/performance I've never had before in the game when I locked at 60. I might experiment with different fps locking from like 50-100 range. I can hit 200+ fps with my setup at max settings but... not going to really see a benifit there going that high so no point.

silky_soft

When you go lower fps your also adding latency with frame times. Maybe the in game latency tracker accounts for this?

1000ms/24fps=41.667ms
1000/60=16.667ms
1000/100=10ms
1000/160=6.25ms
1000/240=4.166ms

I'd still like to see a viewable stat of either the server frame time or sever latency.

Also be

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

@LadyGP Just locked my FPS to 60. Will play today and see if anything changes. My main issues right now are with porting and I don't think the fps lock will help with that but will see if it helps with other pesky issues.

I can see certain hops are no longer in my route which cause major, major havoc on my game play. I currently have 1-2ms to the servers.

Yeah, don't think FPS lock would help with that but who knows maybe it will! Thats good your routes clearing up a bit. Fingers crossed!!

I have noticed since I locked the FPS, I haven't been booted from a character change or porting. The game sits there thinking, and thinking and I am so sure the ESO boot is about to happen and then I log in or port in as expected. Not totally sure the FPS lock did anything about this but 100% of the time when I get the forever loading screens I get booted. Not today....

I also noticed the frame rate or what we all use to think was the speed/ms in the bottom left has increased with the FPS lock. I generally stay around 32 and now it is 58-64. I am in Grahtwood, where I have been for weeks with new characters so perfect for testing in the same zone.

Sounds like progress-ish.

I know for me once I get above 100ms things get really bad and I'm sure a crash is incoming.

Yeah 100ms is my max it seems from testing. I will leave it at 60 for a while and test out some other zones.

Now when I have the 2-3 Akami hops game play is horrid and there is no use in trying cause my 1-2ms route turns into 400-600+ms. So the only thing so far I have gained is not being kicked, LOL. Progress!!!

Im curious what my route looks like....

Looks like Akami is gone from my table too.

Gone for me in aus too.
Australia to LA to Dallas.
I only checked because I'm unusually not experiencing lag when do skills into fights.
I am feeling less rage while playing.

Seravi

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

PC NA Never use Addons or a VPN.

I will say I started getting some reallllly weird bugs/performance I've never had before in the game when I locked at 60. I might experiment with different fps locking from like 50-100 range. I can hit 200+ fps with my setup at max settings but... not going to really see a benifit there going that high so no point.

Yea I saw some strange things as well. I went back to 100FPS and all of those issues went away.

kmufc77b16_ESO

Getting huge lag ping spikes tonight, going from 60 ms to 999+. Its been like this for the last few hours.

EDIT: Im still getting stupid high ping spikes today making the game unplayable at times. im assuming this is because of the ongoing DDOS attacks? Im having no other problems elsewhere.

LadyGP

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

PC NA Never use Addons or a VPN.

I will say I started getting some reallllly weird bugs/performance I've never had before in the game when I locked at 60. I might experiment with different fps locking from like 50-100 range. I can hit 200+ fps with my setup at max settings but... not going to really see a benifit there going that high so no point.

Yea I saw some strange things as well. I went back to 100FPS and all of those issues went away.

Good info. I'll try setting mine to 100 then.

LadyGP

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

PC NA Never use Addons or a VPN.

I will say I started getting some reallllly weird bugs/performance I've never had before in the game when I locked at 60. I might experiment with different fps locking from like 50-100 range. I can hit 200+ fps with my setup at max settings but... not going to really see a benifit there going that high so no point.

Yea I saw some strange things as well. I went back to 100FPS and all of those issues went away.

Random. Do you play on controller on pc or m&k?

Seravi

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

PC NA Never use Addons or a VPN.

I will say I started getting some reallllly weird bugs/performance I've never had before in the game when I locked at 60. I might experiment with different fps locking from like 50-100 range. I can hit 200+ fps with my setup at max settings but... not going to really see a benifit there going that high so no point.

Yea I saw some strange things as well. I went back to 100FPS and all of those issues went away.

Random. Do you play on controller on pc or m&k?

PC G815 Keyboard and a G600 mouse.

System:
CPU: intel i9-13900K with EKWB LGA 1700 ILM Replacement Kit
Motherboard: MSI Pro Z790-A WiFi
GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 4090 TUF Gaming OC 24G
RAM: 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6000 CL30
Hard Drive: (2) Samsung 990 Pro NVMe, 1TB and 2TB
Operating System: Windows 10
Case: Lian Li V3000 Plus

Cooling

(3) Loops
CPU: EK Quantum Velocity² Nickel/Plexi
GPU: OptimusPC Signature V2 4090 GPU Block
NVMe Cards: AlphaCool HDX Apex Acrylic aRGB blocks

Jestertoo

I had better luck capping the frame rate with the nvidia driver, rather than in game.

I'm a 1080Ti 3440x1440 on an 8th gen i7 at 60hz and it works pretty well.

Australia players, you have my sympathies. Ya'll get 200ish ms latency built in no matter what, + whatever your ISP adds on.

Jestertoo

Even capped at 60, with lots of stuff going on, it struggles to do 40-50 in big fights in vLC
I should try to reduce the quality settings some.

LadyGP

Jestertoo wrote: »

Even capped at 60, with lots of stuff going on, it struggles to do 40-50 in big fights in vLC
I should try to reduce the quality settings some.

Try reducing abilities/effects (I forget what that setting is called).

LadyGP

Bumped mine up to 100fps with one or two basic add-ons and disco within 5 minutes.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

LadyGP wrote: »

Bumped mine up to 100fps with one or two basic add-ons and disco within 5 minutes.

Are you surprised at all? did you not mention in an earlier post that you tried on multiple computers but still got disconnected?

The problem is very likely on ZOS's end and there is nothing we can do until they fix it.

Seravi

LadyGP wrote: »

Bumped mine up to 100fps with one or two basic add-ons and disco within 5 minutes.

I don't use any add-ons. I am strictly vanilla with my settings maxed. One could point to add-ons as an issue BUT if they are allowed then the game should be able to handle them. Still points to the game not being able to handle things. They should really look at the PTS mess many months ago. It started for me right after this happened as it did for many in this thread.

silentxthreat

@ZOS_Kevin has the team looked at the add ons and thirdy party stuff pvp ball groups use?

seems the lag is only going on when they are around. years ago it wasnt bad when ball groups were out but ever since guilds started using things to track combat stats of every member during fights the lag got bad.

LadyGP

silentxthreat wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin has the team looked at the add ons and thirdy party stuff pvp ball groups use?

seems the lag is only going on when they are around. years ago it wasnt bad when ball groups were out but ever since guilds started using things to track combat stats of every member during fights the lag got bad.

Speaking as someone who has ran with 3 ball groups the only add-ons we use to track stuff is RDK and then run logs and review on ESO Logs.

blktauna

RDK is a huge resource hog. I can't even run it on my potato.

YandereGirlfriend

silentxthreat wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin has the team looked at the add ons and thirdy party stuff pvp ball groups use?

seems the lag is only going on when they are around. years ago it wasnt bad when ball groups were out but ever since guilds started using things to track combat stats of every member during fights the lag got bad.

Winner winner chicken dinner here.

Certain groups routinely generate input delay even when they're just standing around while in any proximity to them. I wonder why that might be... (it's not because they're all god gamers playing at 120 CPM).

As the person whom I quoted speculated, there absolutely are private add-ons out there in Cyrodiil that you won't find on ESOUI, etc. These are simply things that the devs should be aware of as they look at reevaluating what players can and cannot do with their access to the API. With great power comes great responsibility, after all.

By way of a general gaming observation... players (which includes add-on devs) are much more creative than game devs when it comes to finding loopholes/oversights within a game's systems that work to their advantage.... Map Pins is the example du jour of a problematic-when-misused loophole but we would be naive indeed to believe that it is the only one of its kind out there. Or the only possible use of the API that negatively impacts performance for players.

Lastly, don't hear what I'm not saying. Bad performance is obviously not solely attributable to add-ons. That's a goofy straw-man that tends to get rolled-out in these discussions. Network and server infrastructure as well as the actual game code, with its ever-creeping complexity, are likely the primary culprit.

But add-ons are not computationally free to run, either by your local machine or by the game's servers (yes, for one person in a vacuum the cost might be trivial but we are not talking about one person in a vacuum).And the cost of add-ons stacks with everything else that is already slowing down the game by an unknown percentage. Indeed, the allowed rate of player API calls that made sense back in 2017 or whatnot might not make sense in 2025. They ratcheted that rate down before, the reason being its burden on server performance; might it not be time to do that again?

It would be informative to test that, actually. Since Cyrodiil tests are apparently back in vogue let us have a one-week disabling of the API across all PvP contexts. Or perhaps even game-wide. It would be valuable to gather fresh data on their impact and to let the results show what they may.

Seravi

In West Weald doing writs. Finished a character and then bam...the 334 get the heck out of here error! PC NA WWeald 11:52AM CST

Seravi

In West Weald getting ready to port to Eastmarch. I have been in the game doing various things for the past hour. I was just kicked with the "An error has occurred. Please wait a few min and log in" error. PC NA 1:18PM CST

Everything was going so well, before the maintenance yesterday. Now I cannot stay in the game....

JaxontheUnfortunate

Same just got booted while in a started zone 4-6 hr queue.

silky_soft

Game was actually really good before this recent downtime extravaganza. Back to what it was before last week when it was good. Really no point playing again. I'm getting 4s cast times instead of 0.4s cast on soul again.

LadyGP

silky_soft wrote: »

Game was actually really good before this recent downtime extravaganza. Back to what it was before last week when it was good. Really no point playing again. I'm getting 4s cast times instead of 0.4s cast on soul again.

They are getting DDOSed and have their mitigation turned back on which makes things much much worse (makes cyro close to unplayable for some).

Thats why it got worse IMO.

silky_soft

7 8 ms 9 ms 12 ms a2-21-115-106.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [2.21.115.106]
8 193 ms 195 ms 195 ms a184-26-104-148.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [184.26.104.148]
9 203 ms 201 ms 201 ms 198.20.200.1


I'm back on the akamai loop. Previously when it was good I was routed through lumen tech.

EDIT: my in game ping is actually 260ms

Hamiltonmath

cannot stay logged in. Is there a DDOS going on?

LadyGP

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

cannot stay logged in. Is there a DDOS going on?

There was the other day... may be going on again.

zaria

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

PC NA Never use Addons or a VPN.

I will say I started getting some reallllly weird bugs/performance I've never had before in the game when I locked at 60. I might experiment with different fps locking from like 50-100 range. I can hit 200+ fps with my setup at max settings but... not going to really see a benifit there going that high so no point.

Yea I saw some strange things as well. I went back to 100FPS and all of those issues went away.

Random. Do you play on controller on pc or m&k?

PC G815 Keyboard and a G600 mouse.

System:
CPU: intel i9-13900K with EKWB LGA 1700 ILM Replacement Kit
Motherboard: MSI Pro Z790-A WiFi
GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 4090 TUF Gaming OC 24G
RAM: 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6000 CL30
Hard Drive: (2) Samsung 990 Pro NVMe, 1TB and 2TB
Operating System: Windows 10
Case: Lian Li V3000 Plus

Cooling

(3) Loops
CPU: EK Quantum Velocity² Nickel/Plexi
GPU: OptimusPC Signature V2 4090 GPU Block
NVMe Cards: AlphaCool HDX Apex Acrylic aRGB blocks

Khajiit wonder there you live as you have an far better PC than this one, khajiit has more M2 storage as in 5 TB add 12 TB on HD. Joke aside you should have no issue with eso with that setup.
Who makes it relevant to test what is wrong

ISCOLDSOUL

@ZOS
The one-year anniversary of massive ping spikes approaches with no improvement's insight
How about an event in May to commemorate this, "The Ignored By ZOS Event" and we can all flounder about with the usual massive ping.

LadyGP

ISCOLDSOUL wrote: »

@ZOS
The one-year anniversary of massive ping spikes approaches with no improvement's insight
How about an event in May to commemorate this, "The Ignored By ZOS Event" and we can all flounder about with the usual massive ping.

While I understand the furstration I don't think it's fair to say they have been ignoring the issue. They have made it pretty clear they are working on it.

Seravi

zaria wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

PC NA Never use Addons or a VPN.

I will say I started getting some reallllly weird bugs/performance I've never had before in the game when I locked at 60. I might experiment with different fps locking from like 50-100 range. I can hit 200+ fps with my setup at max settings but... not going to really see a benifit there going that high so no point.

Yea I saw some strange things as well. I went back to 100FPS and all of those issues went away.

Random. Do you play on controller on pc or m&k?

PC G815 Keyboard and a G600 mouse.

System:
CPU: intel i9-13900K with EKWB LGA 1700 ILM Replacement Kit
Motherboard: MSI Pro Z790-A WiFi
GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 4090 TUF Gaming OC 24G
RAM: 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6000 CL30
Hard Drive: (2) Samsung 990 Pro NVMe, 1TB and 2TB
Operating System: Windows 10
Case: Lian Li V3000 Plus

Cooling

(3) Loops
CPU: EK Quantum Velocity² Nickel/Plexi
GPU: OptimusPC Signature V2 4090 GPU Block
NVMe Cards: AlphaCool HDX Apex Acrylic aRGB blocks

Khajiit wonder there you live as you have an far better PC than this one, khajiit has more M2 storage as in 5 TB add 12 TB on HD. Joke aside you should have no issue with eso with that setup.
Who makes it relevant to test what is wrong

I have more storage. I only list OS and game drive, which will be upgraded on the next tube cleaning. The game ran without any issues until the PTS/Live Server issue we had so many months ago. Whatever went on with that, caused my problems.

silky_soft

Terrible bg just then. Multiple people reporting lag on thier end.