ZOS, Massive Spike in Ping/LAG in Recent Days - What Gives?

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  • blktauna
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    LadyGP wrote: »

    RDK is a beast of an add-on. When I would run it I would disable almost every add-on possible as to reduce conflicts.

    I will say.. I have had years of playing in cyro WITH RDK enabled and never had issues until this thread. Just don't want add-ons to become a focus again (it's a problem but not THE problem).

    I don't think legit ones are a problem at all. My machine chokes on RDK because I have a potato and RDK is a resource sucker :)
    I also use very few add ons and have never had any issue with the few I run.
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  • JaxontheUnfortunate

    FPS dips are typically client-related and relative to your individual system build.

    ESO has a very wonky demand for system resources and in those big fights often you are CPU-bound rather than GPU-bound. Both scenarios will tank your frames, though.

    Note that this does not necessarily mean that your CPU is at 100% utilization. Individual cores will be, however, and depending upon what game processes are running on them, that is where your bottleneck is occurring. The CPU simply can't provide the necessary information to your GPU for it to render frames on time. The classic tell for this is if you are experiencing frame drops while running relatively low GPU utilization.

    Bottlenecking can and will also dynamically switch between being CPU- and GPU-bound as you play in Cyro. If you have 80 players on your screen you are likely CPU-bound but if you're around a few players firing off Scribing abilities then that will push your GPU harder, etc.

    There is a very good tool called PresentMon (developed by Intel but can be run on anything) that can tell you what percentages of overall play that you are bottlenecked and by what component in your system. Because you are always bottlenecked by something (even if that something is a locked frame rate).

    Fair enough however IC sewers is the only place this really happens for me, though my computer has gone into another plane of oblivion so maybe the replacement will handle it differently. :)
  • LadyGP
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    Fair enough however IC sewers is the only place this really happens for me, though my computer has gone into another plane of oblivion so maybe the replacement will handle it differently. :)

    Hardware upgrades will help to an extent but as someone who pretty much threw all the money at the problem I could - I still have the problem.
    Will the real LadyGP please stand up.
  • JaxontheUnfortunate
    LadyGP wrote: »

    Hardware upgrades will help to an extent but as someone who pretty much threw all the money at the problem I could - I still have the problem.

    I agree, the though the PC exploded it's psu and was overdue for an upgrade anyway. :)
  • Seravi
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    Trying to port to The Scholarium. Kicked out of the game with the 334 Error and a voice that said, "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!"

    Quite irritating since I was charged for the port yet I am still in West Weald......

    PC NA 10:23AM CST
    Edited by Seravi on January 28, 2025 4:26PM
  • LadyGP
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    Seravi wrote: »
    Trying to port to The Scholarium. Kicked out of the game with the 334 Error and a voice that said, "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" :)

    PC NA 10:23AM CST

    Brainstorming here.

    What is your FPS set to - is it capped at anything or do you let it rip like me?
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  • Seravi
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    LadyGP wrote: »

    Brainstorming here.

    What is your FPS set to - is it capped at anything or do you let it rip like me?

    I let it rip! :)
  • LadyGP
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    Seravi wrote: »

    I let it rip! :)

    Same. Try locking it to 60 fps "for science". Report back if you notice any improvement.
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  • YandereGirlfriend
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    LadyGP wrote: »

    Hardware upgrades will help to an extent but as someone who pretty much threw all the money at the problem I could - I still have the problem.

    Definitely true. As your setup is basically best-in-slot for gaming. I use a 7950x3D and an XTX for the same reason.

    It's more about controlling what variables that you can control and limiting the issues that remain to basically ZOS and ZOS alone. You have more than succeeded in doing that. As has been established in this thread, the random kicks, skill lag, etc. in Cyrodiil are not the fault of the players.

    My comment was more that server performance is not the primary driver of frame rate and that low FPS is, generally speaking, something that we as users actually can account for, either by throwing hardware at the problem and/or by tuning game settings. (Of course, it also exposes how poorly optimized ESO is simply as a software product; that we need such burly hardware to achieve smooth gameplay in a decade-old game is entirely absurd.)

    I'll end with a pitch to readers that if you are serious about ESO performance, particularly in Cyrodiil, do look into an x3D processor from AMD, as that is likely the single largest quality-of-life upgrade that you can give yourself from an FPS, and, more importantly, frame-pacing POV (yes, even more than your GPU). Even a humble 5600x3D will be a huge upgrade for most players.
    Edited by YandereGirlfriend on January 28, 2025 7:37PM
  • LadyGP
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    I'll end with a pitch to readers that if you are serious about ESO performance, particularly in Cyrodiil, do look into an x3D processor from AMD, as that is likely the single largest quality-of-life upgrade that you can give yourself from an FPS, and, more importantly, frame-pacing POV (yes, even more than your GPU). Even a humble 5600x3D will be a huge upgrade for most players.

    This. Best thing I did for gaming in general was drop my 13th Gen intel and switch to the AMD 3D chips.

    Also agree with what you said overall.
    Edited by LadyGP on January 28, 2025 9:30PM
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  • Seravi
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    LadyGP wrote: »

    Same. Try locking it to 60 fps "for science". Report back if you notice any improvement.

    I locked it at 60 so we shall see how things go. :)
  • Tandor
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    With regard to hardware, we can speculate as to the reasons for this (including perhaps greater compatibility with the generation of hardware the games were developed on) but often over the years on gaming technical forums I've noticed that those users with middle-of-the-range hardware (and drivers from a year or more ago for that matter) tend to have fewer performance issues than those users with the latest top-of-the-range hardware (and the newest drivers, some of which will only be beta drivers anyway).

    Is this relevant to the thread? Possibly, including in relation to drivers as I never have the sort of issues a lot of forum users complain of including in ESO and I never update drivers if the existing ones are running everything well. If it ain't broke, I don't fix it. Moreover, I've seen a lot of posts over the years where it's automatically instinctive for those reporting problems to say they've upgraded to the latest drivers to no effect, when perhaps rolling back their drivers would have been more effective in dealing with the problems.

    That goes for the OS too, I have zero problems with Windows 10 and have no desire to switch to Windows 11 as I see nothing in its features that will benefit me. I wonder which OS those in this thread with issues are running?
    Edited by Tandor on January 28, 2025 10:56PM
  • LadyGP
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    Seravi wrote: »

    I locked it at 60 so we shall see how things go. :)

    Same. Going to try tonight and see what happens.

    I followed this thread to lock my fps.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584759/frame-rate-cap-adjustment-how-to-limit-your-fps-from-being-too-high-updated
    Will the real LadyGP please stand up.
  • LadyGP
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    Update: So I locked my FPS last night at 60 and my disconnects/rubber banding dropped significantly. I bumped it up to 144 and noticed an increase in rubber banding/crashing and had a direct corrolation to my dc-ing with spikes on PingPlotter.

    Prior to this I was letting it run wide open at max frames.

    Hard to tell if its locking my FPS that had an impact or not.. it was kind of a quiet night in cyro.

    I'm trying this in Cyro because - yes.. cyro has had performance issues.. but tbh I've never had this kind of rubber banding/dc'ing in Cyro until this thread. I'm used to SERVER wide issues.. low fps.. but never issues like this that only hit a few people.

    Cyro is the best place I can go to see if any changes are having an impact since it's the #1 are that hits me with this issue.

    In Overland it may happen one time an hour... in cyro it happens 5+ times. So please don't roast me for testing in cyro lol.

    Curious to see what @Seravi results are.

    Edit: This test was also with ZERO add ons installed. I'm going to drop FPS back down to 60 and then slowly add basic add-ons (no RDK for a hot minute) and see if there is any changes.
    Edited by LadyGP on January 29, 2025 3:19PM
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  • Seravi
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    West Weald City to Deshan via wayshine kicked with 334 error yet again....

    Logged back in was still in WW.

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    Edited by Seravi on January 29, 2025 9:59PM
  • silky_soft
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    LadyGP wrote: »
    Update: So I locked my FPS last night at 60 and my disconnects/rubber banding dropped significantly. I bumped it up to 144 and noticed an increase in rubber banding/crashing and had a direct corrolation to my dc-ing with spikes on PingPlotter.

    Prior to this I was letting it run wide open at max frames.

    Hard to tell if its locking my FPS that had an impact or not.. it was kind of a quiet night in cyro.

    I'm trying this in Cyro because - yes.. cyro has had performance issues.. but tbh I've never had this kind of rubber banding/dc'ing in Cyro until this thread. I'm used to SERVER wide issues.. low fps.. but never issues like this that only hit a few people.

    Cyro is the best place I can go to see if any changes are having an impact since it's the #1 are that hits me with this issue.

    In Overland it may happen one time an hour... in cyro it happens 5+ times. So please don't roast me for testing in cyro lol.

    Curious to see what @Seravi results are.

    Edit: This test was also with ZERO add ons installed. I'm going to drop FPS back down to 60 and then slowly add basic add-ons (no RDK for a hot minute) and see if there is any changes.

    I've done some testing on this. My sample size is 1 though.

    First get rid of vsync, gsync or adaptive sync. Always crash in cyro on that.

    144 is unstable. I don't know why. Never use 144 now.

    My 4090m laptop is set to 200fps with 144hz refresh rate, oc +100 mem +500, 13700hx undervolt -110mv, 70w pl1, 130w pl2.

    5700xt pc is set to 120fps with 120hz refresh, undervolt to 1100mv and underclocked to 1800mhz, stock 7600x with c32 6000 in expo.

    200 is good.
    180 is good.
    160 is good
    120 is good.
    100 is good.
    60 hurts my eyes.
    Streak moves you faster then speed cap.
    Dragon Leap and Fossilise CC happens at the start of the activation not at the contact point.
    Battlespirit 8m range buff to 28m skills needs to be removed.
    My heavy attacks still don't work and I still get stuck in ambush.
  • LadyGP
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    silky_soft wrote: »

    I've done some testing on this. My sample size is 1 though.

    First get rid of vsync, gsync or adaptive sync. Always crash in cyro on that.

    144 is unstable. I don't know why. Never use 144 now.

    My 4090m laptop is set to 200fps with 144hz refresh rate, oc +100 mem +500, 13700hx undervolt -110mv, 70w pl1, 130w pl2.

    5700xt pc is set to 120fps with 120hz refresh, undervolt to 1100mv and underclocked to 1800mhz, stock 7600x with c32 6000 in expo.

    200 is good.
    180 is good.
    160 is good
    120 is good.
    100 is good.
    60 hurts my eyes.

    It's funny you just said this... 144 gave me some REALLY bad and new issues that I've never experienced before in ESO. I had to bump it up to 160 and the issues went away.

    Also going to make some of these suggestions in this post and see if the issues improve. I'm going to turn abilities down so theres less stuff on the screen but keeping view distance up high. Also going to try locking FPS to 60
    Will the real LadyGP please stand up.
  • JaxontheUnfortunate
    Did some test runs in IC sewers yesterday on the new build and seemed ok not too many crazy frame rate swings, so could have been a cpu contention issue (older systems was an older Gen Intel chip).
  • LadyGP
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    Did some test runs in IC sewers yesterday on the new build and seemed ok not too many crazy frame rate swings, so could have been a cpu contention issue (older systems was an older Gen Intel chip).

    What is weird to me is that some friends I play with have some very dated systems and they don't have the same issues I do.

    Out of curiosity do you play with add-ons? If so, whats one or two of the biggest ones you use (RDK, TTC, etc). Do you lock your fps or let it run wide open?
    Will the real LadyGP please stand up.
  • blktauna
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    Trial of Halls of fabrication at 3pm GST PCEU 1 player kicked halfway through and unable to return, 2 othes kicked at two other occasions but able to return.
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  • JaxontheUnfortunate
    LadyGP wrote: »

    What is weird to me is that some friends I play with have some very dated systems and they don't have the same issues I do.

    Out of curiosity do you play with add-ons? If so, whats one or two of the biggest ones you use (RDK, TTC, etc). Do you lock your fps or let it run wide open?
    LadyGP wrote: »

    What is weird to me is that some friends I play with have some very dated systems and they don't have the same issues I do.

    Out of curiosity do you play with add-ons? If so, whats one or two of the biggest ones you use (RDK, TTC, etc). Do you lock your fps or let it run wide open?

    Yes I have add-ons though nothing as heavy as ttc or rdk, probably the biggest one would be azurah. I am running with defaults frame rate is not locked down and FSR is set to quality. On my old system frame rate was limited to 60 fps.
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    Yes I have add-ons though nothing as heavy as ttc or rdk, probably the biggest one would be azurah. I am running with defaults frame rate is not locked down and FSR is set to quality. On my old system frame rate was limited to 60 fps.

    Good info - thanks!

    FWIW I locked my fps to 60 yesterday, dropped effects, and no add-ons and crashed 4 times in 30 minutes (I recorded the whole session). Not sure what the reason was but there was a ton of ball groups around.

    Just going to repeat this because I know everyone will get hung up on the ball group aspect - I have ran with ball groups for 5ish years and have NEVER had this issue until the time of this thread. Yes I know ball groups (or big zergs) put strain on the servers because of the cals but I could always play through it or if there was lag spikes it was always server wide. This is different. The moment there is 20ish people around me it's game over (literally).
    Will the real LadyGP please stand up.
  • Seravi
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    @LadyGP Just locked my FPS to 60. Will play today and see if anything changes. My main issues right now are with porting and I don't think the fps lock will help with that but will see if it helps with other pesky issues. :)

    I can see certain hops are no longer in my route which cause major, major havoc on my game play. I currently have 1-2ms to the servers.
  • LadyGP
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    Seravi wrote: »
    @LadyGP Just locked my FPS to 60. Will play today and see if anything changes. My main issues right now are with porting and I don't think the fps lock will help with that but will see if it helps with other pesky issues. :)

    I can see certain hops are no longer in my route which cause major, major havoc on my game play. I currently have 1-2ms to the servers.

    Yeah, don't think FPS lock would help with that but who knows maybe it will! Thats good your routes clearing up a bit. Fingers crossed!!


    Will the real LadyGP please stand up.
  • Seravi
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    LadyGP wrote: »

    Yeah, don't think FPS lock would help with that but who knows maybe it will! Thats good your routes clearing up a bit. Fingers crossed!!


    I have noticed since I locked the FPS, I haven't been booted from a character change or porting. The game sits there thinking, and thinking and I am so sure the ESO boot is about to happen and then I log in or port in as expected. Not totally sure the FPS lock did anything about this but 100% of the time when I get the forever loading screens I get booted. Not today....

    I also noticed the frame rate or what we all use to think was the latency in the bottom left has increased with the FPS lock. I generally stay around 32 and now it is 58-64. I am in Grahtwood, where I have been for weeks with new characters so perfect for testing in the same zone.
    Edited by Seravi on February 1, 2025 1:42PM
  • LadyGP
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    Seravi wrote: »

    I have noticed since I locked the FPS, I haven't been booted from a character change or porting. The game sits there thinking, and thinking and I am so sure the ESO boot is about to happen and then I log in or port in as expected. Not totally sure the FPS lock did anything about this but 100% of the time when I get the forever loading screens I get booted. Not today....

    I also noticed the frame rate or what we all use to think was the speed/ms in the bottom left has increased with the FPS lock. I generally stay around 32 and now it is 58-64. I am in Grahtwood, where I have been for weeks with new characters so perfect for testing in the same zone.

    Sounds like progress-ish.

    I know for me once I get above 100ms things get really bad and I'm sure a crash is incoming.
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  • Seravi
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    LadyGP wrote: »

    Sounds like progress-ish.

    I know for me once I get above 100ms things get really bad and I'm sure a crash is incoming.

    Yeah 100ms is my max it seems from testing. I will leave it at 60 for a while and test out some other zones.

    Now when I have the 2-3 Akami hops game play is horrid and there is no use in trying cause my 1-2ms route turns into 400-600+ms. So the only thing so far I have gained is not being kicked, LOL. Progress!!!
  • LadyGP
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    Seravi wrote: »

    Yeah 100ms is my max it seems from testing. I will leave it at 60 for a while and test out some other zones.

    Now when I have the 2-3 Akami hops game play is horrid and there is no use in trying cause my 1-2ms route turns into 400-600+ms. So the only thing so far I have gained is not being kicked, LOL. Progress!!!

    Im curious what my route looks like....

    Looks like Akami is gone from my table too.
    Edited by LadyGP on January 31, 2025 7:31PM
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  • Seravi
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    LadyGP wrote: »

    Im curious what my route looks like....

    Looks like Akami is gone from my table too.

    Makes a HUGE difference when it is gone. :)
  • Seravi
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    Ugh so I went back to 100FPS. I started seeing some weird stuff at 60FPS. I would open my map in Grahtwood and some locations would show but it took minutes for my quest markers to show and some locations I had already discovered. I didn't see this yesterday but it is the weekend and there are more players here.

    How all of this mixes and matters, well that is for ZOS to figure out I guess. Just so weird.....

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