[Jubilee Event] - Drop rates are a joke

LalMirchi

Reading the many discussions about RNG & drop rates in this celebratory event is rather depressing.

An old blues song keeps running through my head: "If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all" (Albert King).

Krec

The drop rates are not bad relative to other in-game items. You have 20 days to work on it. Not sure why a lot of folks need to grind 4+ hours at a time for a cosmetic.

Desiato

AnduinTryggva wrote: »

But to hide it behind a dumb grind? And let's not forget: Very very likely after the event there is ZERO chance to obtain it. Unlike most other stuff available but rare. There is stuff out there that is very very rare but there is no time limit restricting access to a drop chance.

And let's not forget: This event is for celebrating. It is like organizing a birthday party for a mate and hide a gift there that we know he really likes to have. We let him search but if he did not find it in time he has to say good bye to that gift. Do you believe this mate will be amused?

Like I said, I would also prefer it if they were rare because of a challenging encounter, but I can tell you for certain that would result in more outrage.

People like to celebrate in different ways. In a poll on this subject, 13% said they enjoyed it. So I think it's nice they have enjoyable content provided to them as well. I would bet the vast majority of ESO players aren't even aware of the rare styles and wouldn't care if they were.

For the players who like to celebrate by having rewards handed to them, then they should appreciate all the items they've received. I find the amount they've given us is actually overwhelming.

Also, part of ESO culture has always been grinding things like dolmen and anomalies. Some players are into that. In 2014, the Crag Anomaly grind looked exactly like the Geyser grind. So I think it's appropriate to have them as part of the 10 year anniversary. I know not everyone is into that, but that goes for all things in ESO.

Personally, I don't care about any of the yellow style items I've received in gift boxes. I add them to my collection and I'll never think of them again. Easy come, easy go. The same goes for all of the things I'll buy with event tickets that were given to me by eating cake. However, provided ZOS doesn't capitulate, I'll always appreciate having the staff style I received from grinding geysers.

CGPsaint

Comment deleted as my views and opinions are not relevant to ZoS.

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Theist_VII

Desiato wrote: »

…provided ZOS doesn't capitulate, I'll always appreciate having the staff style I received from grinding geysers.

Why would your appreciation for the style lessen based on the work of others?

Would your Staff look different if instead of most of us having to grind 100+ hours for it we got it in around 4-5?

Jaraal

Grega wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

The drops suck. End of story. I am giving up participating in anything that requires grinding. If I wanted to grind I would play a Korean game.

If the object is to get us to spend money for any of these things, well I just subbed and gave my friend a 13 k crown house. I don't even use the crowns that come with the sub for myself.

And I'm not sure how the new style pages could even get us to spend money at all. There is no way these pages can directly drive sales because there's nothing to buy. They can't be had for gold, tickets, or crowns. ZOS doesn't sell time or RNG.

Are they hoping the more time in game people spend grinding them, the more likely they will be to buy other things? If anything, the predominant sentiment on the forums (and in my guild chats and discords) seems to be that the grind is turning people off the game, not driving them to the store. It's a bit baffling.

Yea if that was the plan, it’s definitely back firing. I’ve never seen this many people showing disgust towards ZOS and suggesting quitting on zone chats etc. and by now, almost half the event being done, the damage is done. No backtrack will fix sentiment at this point.

It's not so much the grind itself, but the fact that they are exploiting people's FOMO by not offering the items as a ticket purchase or making them tradable, as they usually do.

If this is a harbinger of future event reward systems, then expect the resentment to continue growing over time.

Necrotech_Master

Jaraal wrote: »

Grega wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

The drops suck. End of story. I am giving up participating in anything that requires grinding. If I wanted to grind I would play a Korean game.

If the object is to get us to spend money for any of these things, well I just subbed and gave my friend a 13 k crown house. I don't even use the crowns that come with the sub for myself.

And I'm not sure how the new style pages could even get us to spend money at all. There is no way these pages can directly drive sales because there's nothing to buy. They can't be had for gold, tickets, or crowns. ZOS doesn't sell time or RNG.

Are they hoping the more time in game people spend grinding them, the more likely they will be to buy other things? If anything, the predominant sentiment on the forums (and in my guild chats and discords) seems to be that the grind is turning people off the game, not driving them to the store. It's a bit baffling.

Yea if that was the plan, it’s definitely back firing. I’ve never seen this many people showing disgust towards ZOS and suggesting quitting on zone chats etc. and by now, almost half the event being done, the damage is done. No backtrack will fix sentiment at this point.

It's not so much the grind itself, but the fact that they are exploiting people's FOMO by not offering the items as a ticket purchase or making them tradable, as they usually do.

If this is a harbinger of future event reward systems, then expect the resentment to continue growing over time.

this, though im more annoyed about the achievements that literally cost event tickets than the drop rates of the style pages lol

Elvenheart

LalMirchi wrote: »

Reading the many discussions about RNG & drop rates in this celebratory event is rather depressing.

An old blues song keeps running through my head: "If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all" (Albert King).

“Gloom, despair, and agony on me! Deep, dark depression, excessive misery! If it wasn’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all. Gloom, despair, and agony on me!”

I remember this from growing up when my parents used to torture me by forcing me to watch Hee Haw. These words are burned into my brain, and they are very adequate to describe how I feel about this part of the anniversary event!

I’m really shocked that ZOS has not done anything to address this epic failure by now. I’m also wondering if the same person who thought up this grind for rare bound iconic motifs also came up with the 50% transmute stone thing during the surprise crafters event, or programmed perfected weapons to drop on normal Maelstrom Arena during that event (and there was one other thing around that time that I can’t recall). These things were well meaning and were good ideas in theory, but just not well thought out, with negative consequences that ended up hurting the events instead of making players happy. Special motifs for an anniversary event is a great idea; locking them behind grinds with terrible drop rates is not.

Desiato

Telos_Tim wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

…provided ZOS doesn't capitulate, I'll always appreciate having the staff style I received from grinding geysers.

Why would your appreciation for the style lessen based on the work of others?

Would your Staff look different if instead of most of us having to grind 100+ hours for it we got it in around 4-5?

For at least a couple of reasons. For one thing, the good feeling of looting it after some effort will always be associated with the item and because a style item has more value to me when it is less common.

This is true for many people in real life too. It's never fun to show up at a party wearing exactly the same thing as someone else!

Generally speaking, rare items are more interesting. This is true in pretty much all aspects of life.

virtus753

Desiato wrote: »

Telos_Tim wrote: »

Desiato wrote: »

…provided ZOS doesn't capitulate, I'll always appreciate having the staff style I received from grinding geysers.

Why would your appreciation for the style lessen based on the work of others?

Would your Staff look different if instead of most of us having to grind 100+ hours for it we got it in around 4-5?

For at least a couple of reasons. For one thing, the good feeling of looting it after some effort will always be associated with the item and because a style item has more value to me when it is less common.

This is true for many people in real life too. It's never fun to show up at a party wearing exactly the same thing as someone else!

Generally speaking, rare items are more interesting. This is true in pretty much all aspects of life.

But the Ul'vor Staff is a very poor measure of effort. You can lay down one AoE at a geyser and get the shell trove. You can literally get the page after one cast of one skill. The page is no different if you got it on your first geyser or your 300th. The chances don't change the harder you try. It's a measure of luck first and foremost.

It's not like the selective rewards already in game for content that does require effort, like the Sunspire senche. You see that, you know someone got Godslayer one way or another (time, effort, gold, in some ratio). That is something most people who have it can rightfully be proud of.

I think that level of rarity and selectivity has its place, but I don't think it needs to be everywhere. And I don't think that something dependent purely on RNG (rather than actual effort) should be casting such a shadow over an annual celebration that aims to include the entire playerbase.

Jaraal

Desiato wrote: »

Generally speaking, rare items are more interesting. This is true in pretty much all aspects of life.

Rare items are a great idea. I make most of my gold finding and sell such things.

The difference in this case is, ZOS is telling you you'd better find these rare items before April 24th at 10am EDT, or you're out of luck.... possibly forever.

Just ask the people who missed out on the 2016 cake about how this works. They've been angry about it for years.

Liedeke

I would not mind these drop rates so much if they would have a chance to drop every year but I don't get the impression that is the case here.

CGPsaint

Comment deleted as my views and opinions are not relevant to ZoS.

Drammanoth

AlwaysDancing wrote: »

A 20 day event, but people want to have ALL THE THINGS NOW!

Let this sink in. Sadly, the above is the effect of instant gratification culture.

Pity that ZOS hadn't made those pages buyable - grinders would grind, and insta-grat folks could be milked off of their money. Ah well.

MMORPGs *are* about grind. How much gear and trash have you all collected which you sold? Or, right, because the one staff hasn't dropped yet.

I have done about.. 30-40 geysers and still nothing (but I'm not complaining - the gold was good). With dolmens - also, 2-3 hours of Alik'r Desert but I have it. With Trueflame I was extremely lucky - after 4-6th cast in one school of fish, sooo RNG favoured me. BUT I had been prepared for a long fishing session, make no mistake.

An anecdotal example I have

I played WoW back then. I'm logging in and a guy types in the zone chat, paraphrasing, that he "had just logged in and he was bored". Do you play games to be... bored in the game? Or to spend some time with guildies. Or to achieve something.

jenn_maggot

I've farmed vvardenfell world bosses for at least 6 hours a day for the helmet motif and nothing, any other time I am doing dolmens and nothing there either. I have not even started fishing or geysers yet.

ShadowPaladin

All of this here reminds me of my old SWG (Star Wars Galaxies) times .

There I was farming a Jetpack Base on Yavin, killing Blacksun NPCs and guess what, I killed 11,000 NPCs (YES, I did count them!!!) and I got nothing. One of my guildies came along once. He killed one(!) NPC and got a Jetpack Base. It was like *pew* *pew* *GOT ONE!* and I was so *** annoyed .

Desiato

virtus753 wrote: »

But the Ul'vor Staff is a very poor measure of effort. You can lay down one AoE at a geyser and get the shell trove. You can literally get the page after one cast of one skill. The page is no different if you got it on your first geyser or your 300th. The chances don't change the harder you try. It's a measure of luck first and foremost.

Honestly, it was far less tedious to me than grinding vMA alone. At least I was able to play with other players and find ways to enjoy it. Unlike most PVE in this game, it actually felt I was playing an MMO. I felt great for all the players who were excited to announce they had the style page drop in zone chat.

It still took effort and determination. It wasn't quality combat, but I'll appreciate the staff more than anything I get with event tickets from interacting with a memento. It felt great to finally get the item.

Plus it was actually pretty rewarding. The main reason I participate in these events is to earn items I can sell to fund my Cyrodilic activities. The items from the dozens of gift boxes I earned while grinding for the staff will go to good use.

If it was as awful for me as it is for a lot of the people in this thread, I just choose not to do it and I wouldn't fret about not having the staff at all. I don't feel entitled to have every item in the game and for every activity to be tailored to my interests, schedule, and lifestyle.

shallot

I got the sword in under an hour the first day, and have been spending ~4 hours a day trying to get the rest with a little longer on the weekend. So ~30 hours at geysers and 5 split between dolmens and WB with none of the other style pages and for the most part not getting any anniversary boxes because the bosses don't even render before they are killed. Honestly, I'm getting so burnt out on this I doubt I'm going to play this game enough to justify spending money on a subscription for quite a while and am regretting ordering the expansion.

Finedaible

Jeez, all this complaining about a game having rewards that need to be earned through slightly more effort than your average event filler. There are far, FAR worse RNG systems in ESO than the Jubilee styles. Like anything that is hidden behind Treasure Maps for example, literally an RNG system nested within more RNG.

Rkindaleft

In my opinion this whole anniversary event experience just feels lacklustre and meh. Except for doing writs on multiple characters a day for the boxes and the event tickets from the cake most actual participation in the event just feels boring layered behind purposefully bad RNG.

Farming Vvardenfell world bosses for 10+ hours isn't fun, doing 100+ Summerset geysers isn't fun.

Inb4 "every MMO has grinds." Nah, the drop rates are bad, just accept it. They're not linked to achievements, they're untradeable, its not like a mythic item grind where it gives you an advantage. It's a skin for your weapon or armour that doesn't do anything else. There's literally NO good reason why the drop rate should be so low to make it so unnecessarily grindy and there's NO good reason why they shouldn't've been available with tickets in the first place and there's NO good reason why they shouldn't be tradeable.

Cyrodiil is broken on PC with constant rollbacks and crashes (or so I've heard), High-end PvE on console at the moment is basically unplayable, its almost impossible to prog trifectas or any hard content with the amount of disconnects literally every trial. Even people who are just standing around farming boxes from other sources are crashing with frequency.

All in all it just feels like an experience that is neither very rewarding (comparatively to previous years) nor enjoyable. Just my 2 cents.

spartaxoxo

Finedaible wrote: »

Jeez, all this complaining about a game having rewards that need to be earned through slightly more effort than your average event filler.

Slightly?

I've been grinding the same few world bosses for 10 hours. It's not even a challenge.

The Crow boss is slightly more effort. This is massively more effort.

Finedaible wrote: »

Treasure Maps for example, literally an RNG system nested within more RNG.

You can buy treasure maps. And it's permanently available. There's no missing out after grinding for dozens of hours possible with those. These don't just require huge grind, they are also time-limited.

This means you can't space it out and you won't necessarily be rewarded for large effort. There's no worse grind for that reason alone.

nebula3832

[snip].....at the very least they could have changed the background audio to the benny hill soundtrack!

[edited for petition/protest]

Rkindaleft

nebula3832 wrote: »

[snip].....at the very least they could have changed the background audio to the benny hill soundtrack!

They may as well have made it the "bruh" sound effect because that's all you'll think anyway every time you loot a geyser or a world boss.

[edited to remove quote]

Anifaas

I love the crazy, frenetic chaos of farming these events. The joy in these events is the experience itself. This time I’ve even discovered a way to usually get a loot box from every boss, to be almost guaranteed to be one of the 12. Learning something new is always a joy. And no, this one is not sharing his secret.🤐

The cosmetics do nothing for me at all because they’re just filler content. I have nicer things in real life and can’t really be bothered to focus on video game collections. The entitlement of many people in this thread regarding the drops for this event is unfortunate. I feel bad for the poor support people who have to sift through all of the whingeing and whining.

AnduinTryggva

CGPsaint wrote: »

Krec wrote: »

The drop rates are not bad relative to other in-game items. You have 20 days to work on it. Not sure why a lot of folks need to grind 4+ hours at a time for a cosmetic.

What's the difference between grinding for 50 hours across 5 days or 2.5 hours per day across 20 days? You're still grinding 50 hours for the same items. The drops rates for these anniversary items are absurd, and odds are the majority of players will not be getting the pages.

Exactly. AND: On the announcement page they explicitly said for instance for the staff of worms that "with a little luck" you find that motif in dolmens. Now having unsuccessfully grinded more than 200 dolmens and others according to their saying have grinded even more without a drop makes you wonder what ZOS means with "have a little luck". For me this is NOT a "little bit of bad luck". I am quite certain other people interpreted it the same way as I did and hence expected something much smoother.

AnduinTryggva

Finedaible wrote: »

Jeez, all this complaining about a game having rewards that need to be earned through slightly more effort than your average event filler. There are far, FAR worse RNG systems in ESO than the Jubilee styles. Like anything that is hidden behind Treasure Maps for example, literally an RNG system nested within more RNG.

I have a deal offer to ZOS: Make these style pages drop also from now till the end of ESO so that people have all the time to find it. This will take out a lot of steam I think.

shadyjane62

CGPsaint wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Just ask the people who missed out on the 2016 cake about how this works. They've been angry about it for years.

I was playing in 2016 and I still have no idea how I missed that 2016 cake. Odds are I was still massively overwhelmed by everything that ESO had to offer. Who knows, but it does suck.

I lost that cake because by them we were fed up with the game with all the bots running free and ruining it. I came back eventually, but my husband never did.

We were days one players that quit because the game was awful and I didn't get the cake.

SerafinaWaterstar

This is not about ‘entitlement’ or other buzz words to throw about - it’s about the whole concept being a terrible idea.

Of all the styles, I would like the staff. I have done geyser farming every fecking day so far, on different characters, at different times - no joy.

I was hoping to do other things during this event, but no, as the drop rate is rubbish & I will not be able to buy it later, I grind.

And to those who think this is ‘fun’ - I have no words. Or at least any that would be acceptable on this forum.

This is supposed to be a celebration.
It is, of all the worse aspects of the game.

(And its not even remotely challenging. In any way. I can solo geysers so this is just dull, tedious & annoying.)

ElderSmitter

liliub17_ESO wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

NeoniKa wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i never experienced that kind of problem, on either dolmens or geysers lol

the only problem i saw on geysers was the boss would regularly sometimes be disintegrated before it even rendered, but i had no actual lag or any other issue

It's a new problem. It only started with this event.

There are always above 20 or 30 players on geysers, even right now at night. And the servers clearly don't support this number of players at once in the same zone. So, while the geyser is on the ping rises above 999. Many times I'm even removed from the server while trying to play it. But right after it ends, after all players leave, the ping returns to 100. It's only when there are dozens of players there. You can test it now. I'm on PC EU.

i know, thats what im talking about, i spent 2 hours farming geysers day 1 of the event with 30+ people there and i had only slightly FPS drops, but no ping spikes or lag

im on PC NA if that makes a difference

I'm PC NA and have always had horrific lag with geysers since day one. Too many effects triggering with skills, etc. (and I keep those settings low). Dolmens aren't bad at all - until an event means many more ppl than usual. Then it tends to be a bit laggy but nowhere nearly as bad as geysers. Harrowstorms are hit-and-miss with the lag.

What is kind of funny is i have had Lag on Geysers when i am by myself or with 1 other person where it looks like I am moonwalking back to my original spot. With 30+ People i had no Lag issues at all... Dolmens were fine too and what i liked about Dolmens is I was getting up to 3 Jubilee boxes at a time. Geysers i was getting only 1 and same for WB's. So, Dolmens definitely were much more lucrative and much faster than geysers.