Now that the game is almost ten years old, can we address jumping without cost?

BetweenMidgets · February 9

This thread absolutely has to be a troll lol

NeoXanthus · February 9

Reginald_leBlem wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Jumping avoids some enemy offensive capability and sometimes puts the jumping user in a better position for acting on their enemy, yet it costs nothing in return. In contrast, a dodge roll cost stamina. Class-specific or weapon-specific skills of dodge or avoidance techniques all cost some resources and have an associated cost, yet jumping is still free. I see people jumping up and down constantly in ESO dungeons and ESO PvP, which is fine, but a reduction in a resource should be attached to that activity.

Please no. As you said, game is ten years old. I vote we stop messing with this sort of thing completely

I believe the game was five or six years old when perma-blocking tanks were fixed. It is time to fix free jump damage mitigation. This game is not Fortnite.

cyclonus11 · February 10

I vote to make it cost stam, but only in PVP.

LukosCreyden · February 10

jumping does not need to be addressed.

You may now close this thread.

NeoXanthus · February 10

cyclonus11 wrote: »

I vote to make it cost stam, but only in PVP.

This is a great idea.

AcadianPaladin · February 10

PvE here. Jumping is fine as is. If you add a stamina cost, then add a climbing mechanic to go over boulders and climb walls. Unintended but part of the game? That sounds a lot like light attack weaving. . . .

PvP. Don't care, battle spirit whatever you want as long as it doesn't infect PvE jumpers.

NeoXanthus · February 10

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

PvE here. Jumping is fine as is. If you add a stamina cost, then add a climbing mechanic to go over boulders and climb walls. Unintended but part of the? That sounds a lot like light attack weaving. . . .

PvP. Don't care, battle spirit whatever you want as long as it doesn't infect PvE jumpers.

Totally agree with you make it PvP only.

Galeriano · February 10

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Drammanoth wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Try jumping IRL and tell me if you don’t get tired.

Is this ESO or real life? Yeah, thought so.

It is not, but jumping still should take away from a pool of energy for the player. The act should not be fee if it provides a defensive benefit. If not, nor should other defensive skills, this game is not Fortnite.

Contrary to blocking, dodging or even sprinting, jumping is a "defensive skill" only if enemy can't use his mouse/controller.

NeoXanthus · February 10

Galeriano wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Drammanoth wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Try jumping IRL and tell me if you don’t get tired.

Is this ESO or real life? Yeah, thought so.

It is not, but jumping still should take away from a pool of energy for the player. The act should not be fee if it provides a defensive benefit. If not, nor should other defensive skills, this game is not Fortnite.

Contrary to blocking, dodging or even sprinting, jumping is a "defensive skill" only if enemy can't use his mouse/controller.

I don't believe the enemy type of physical controller or virtual automated macro (violation of EULA) has anything to do with damage mitigation due to free AKA in-game no-cost jump action in PvP combat. Just like perma-block in the past, the action can be performed without an assumed cost.

Galeriano · February 10

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Galeriano wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Drammanoth wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Try jumping IRL and tell me if you don’t get tired.

Is this ESO or real life? Yeah, thought so.

It is not, but jumping still should take away from a pool of energy for the player. The act should not be fee if it provides a defensive benefit. If not, nor should other defensive skills, this game is not Fortnite.

Contrary to blocking, dodging or even sprinting, jumping is a "defensive skill" only if enemy can't use his mouse/controller.

I don't believe the enemy type of physical controller or virtual automated macro (violation of EULA) has anything to do with damage mitigation due to free AKA in-game no-cost jump action in PvP combat. Just like perma-block in the past, the action can be performed without an assumed cost.

Like I already said it's only a damage mitigation if enemy don't know how to use mouse or controller to aim.

So maybe moving the camera should also cost stamina so it wouldn't be free counter to jumping that consumes stamina?

Sakiri · February 10

What I want to know is what the crap mechanics does jumping let you avoid? And I'm tired of people demanding changes based on pvp, particularly when they don't specify pvp. Largest part of the game is NOT pvp.

Major_Toughness · February 10

Jumping is actually a really detrimental habit in PvP.

Let them jump as much as they want, makes my life easier.

fizzylu · February 10

@Sakiri
As someone who considers her focus PvP, I would definitely quit this game if they made jumping cost something. I, out of habit or whatever, constantly jump in games when I move. I don't necessarily do it to evade or be harder to hit, I do it because my brain likes to idk. I have never struggled hitting someone who is jumping either and if the complaint is PvP based.... there is tab targeting and I'd question if they know that. It highlights the person and basically makes them impossible to miss, what more could one want.... or should I say need?

Oh, and as someone who takes house decorating very seriously.... I definitely jump a lot while doing so. I need to in order to make interesting custom furniture, to make sure things are lined up or centered, maybe I'm putting something up really high and am climbing on a bunch of tables.... who knows, but jumping is definitely a core part of completing a house for me.

Sakiri · February 12

fizzylu wrote: »

@Sakiri
As someone who considers her focus PvP, I would definitely quit this game if they made jumping cost something. I, out of habit or whatever, constantly jump in games when I move. I don't necessarily do it to evade or be harder to hit, I do it because my brain likes to idk. I have never struggled hitting someone who is jumping either and if the complaint is PvP based.... there is tab targeting and I'd question if they know that. It highlights the person and basically makes them impossible to miss, what more could one want.... or should I say need?

Oh, and as someone who takes house decorating very seriously.... I definitely jump a lot while doing so. I need to in order to make interesting custom furniture, to make sure things are lined up or centered, maybe I'm putting something up really high and am climbing on a bunch of tables.... who knows, but jumping is definitely a core part of completing a house for me.

OH, I'm not in favor of adding a cost, I'm just trying to figure out why it's necessary.

SydneyGrey · February 12

Leave jumping like it is now. Don't ruin the game for other people.

fizzylu · February 13

Sakiri wrote: »

OH, I'm not in favor of adding a cost, I'm just trying to figure out why it's necessary.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that you were, sorry if it came off that way. I just wanted to put out there that this change isn't something desired by many PvP players and also doesn't make sense to me, a PvP player xD

Vevvev · February 13

I'm not for this change at all, and think it's really bad, but if for some really crazy reason this actually gets implemented I hope you can still jump with 0 stamina left for the sake of ease of use. If you get stunned with 0 stamina you're not breaking free, but I still wanna jump like I can in TES4: Oblivion if I have no stamina.

Northwold · February 13

LunaFlora wrote: »

that is absurd

people use jumping outside of combat too like when decorating houses.

People also sprint out of combat and that consumes stamina?

xclassgaming · February 13

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Jumping avoids some enemy offensive capability and sometimes puts the jumping user in a better position for acting on their enemy, yet it costs nothing in return. In contrast, a dodge roll cost stamina. Class-specific or weapon-specific skills of dodge or avoidance techniques all cost some resources and have an associated cost, yet jumping is still free. I see people jumping up and down constantly in ESO dungeons and ESO PvP, which is fine, but a reduction in a resource should be attached to that activity.

no, this would be a awful change.

LunaFlora · February 13

Northwold wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

that is absurd

people use jumping outside of combat too like when decorating houses.

People also sprint out of combat and that consumes stamina?

so? which game has a cost attached to jumping?
i have never heard of one.

and changing ESO this way after 10 years really would be absurd.

boi_anachronism_ · February 13

This would be an unbelievably unpopular change. Never gonna happen and it shouldn't.

Pixiepumpkin · February 13

LunaFlora wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

that is absurd

people use jumping outside of combat too like when decorating houses.

People also sprint out of combat and that consumes stamina?

so? which game has a cost attached to jumping?
i have never heard of one.

and changing ESO this way after 10 years really would be absurd.

Valheim and although its a different type of game, it works well as part of your characters progression.

DrNukenstein · February 13

I like how mag sorcs can't dodge out of a jump. It's really great when you get them mid jump.

Lumsdenml · February 13

I've never had an issue with hitting someone in pvp who was jumping. I mean, the hit box is so bloody big, how could this be an issue?

GusTheWizard · February 14

No just no, this is one of the stupidest things I’ve see on the forums. In real life you use stamina to swing a sword or staff should we add a stamina cost to light and heavy attacks? I think not.

ADarklore · February 14

KS_Amt38 wrote: »

Make a survey and see the results. Probably 80% of the player base is against it.

80%? I'd expect closer to 99.9% would be against it. Hence the reason... no poll.

CameraBeardThePirate · February 14

Lumsdenml wrote: »

I've never had an issue with hitting someone in pvp who was jumping. I mean, the hit box is so bloody big, how could this be an issue?

Because it doesn't make a difference lol

moo_2021 · February 14

NeoXanthus wrote: »

I did not even mention bunny hopping, but you are correct. There is also a specific defensive set if the bunny hop is executed correctly; it makes the person extremely difficult to kill in PvP.

What's the name of this set?

fizzylu · February 14

moo_2021 wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

I did not even mention bunny hopping, but you are correct. There is also a specific defensive set if the bunny hop is executed correctly; it makes the person extremely difficult to kill in PvP.

What's the name of this set?

Yeah, can't say I've ever heard of this. And if there really is such a set.... then the problem that needs addressed is the set, not jumping.

Carcamongus · February 14

I find it ridiculous when a bunch of people are hopping around in PvP combat. Sure, more often than not I end up dead, but at least I didn't behave like a monkey on skooma. I always thought the jumping around had some purpose, but even then I wouldn't agree to adding a stamina cost to it. Some people in this thread have said the bounce has no advantages, so if that's the case, nothing needs to change. Others have argued it does have advantages and, if so, remove whatever those are instead of making the action cost.

By the way, my distaste for the hop doesn't include those folks who jump around seemingly at random in cities. I actually find it relaxing to watch them.