Would you like the ability to change your class?

KlauthWarthog

No

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Offering the token would in no way change your gameplay and would enhance the gameplay of many others.

Race change tokens changed how they balance races. Or, more specifically, made them stop balancing races.
Class change tokens would change how they balance classes. And I doubt it would be a change for the better.

ESO_CenturionPlayer

Yes

Sorcerer.

I’ve played it with many races and different builds over the years.

At the end of the day, I hate it because it’s always been mid to low tier and constantly neglected. After Necro’s were nerfed and no longer the paid-to-win class, they ended up in the dustbin with us.

If I had been aware of the developers strong affinity for DK’s, and NB’s, I would’ve went that route from the beginning.

ESO_CenturionPlayer

Yes

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Offering the token would in no way change your gameplay and would enhance the gameplay of many others.

Race change tokens changed how they balance races. Or, more specifically, made them stop balancing races.
Class change tokens would change how they balance classes. And I doubt it would be a change for the better.

They have NEVER done a decent job of balancing classes. I’ve used a lot of race change tokens and the impact is minimal. After waiting for countless patches to be the “better” class, it never happened so I left the game. Despite all the time I’ve invested in my main, I don’t want to waste any more of my limited time on earth hoping for improvements that will never come.

They consistently pick winners and losers and disregard feedback from struggling classes. Which is why this would make so many people’s quality of life much better with a simple class change token.

FelisCatus

Yes

ESO_CenturionPlayer wrote: »

Sorcerer.

I’ve played it with many races and different builds over the years.

At the end of the day, I hate it because it’s always been mid to low tier and constantly neglected. After Necro’s were nerfed and no longer the paid-to-win class, they ended up in the dustbin with us.

If I had been aware of the developers strong affinity for DK’s, and NB’s, I would’ve went that route from the beginning.

Yeah I can definitely see why you'd want one, when a class feels abandoned or unintuitive. My main is a DragonKnight. I have realised after years that the playstyle even if it's meta and strong right now as a class, doesn't suit me.

peacenote

Yes

This is a case where just yes and no, combined with the question, doesn't quite cover the discussion.

Would I personally like the ability to change my class, vs. whether I think others who want it should be able to do it, is a completely different question for many. The question is worded specifically to ask about the individual only,.

I chose yes, but I would use it rarely, especially if it is expensive. I love alts, so the main reason I'd use a class change would be if another class comes out in the future, especially if we don't get any more slots. I am bad at character creation. I have a handful of mules where I like how they look, and I might want to level them, but I wouldn't want to have to try and re-create their looks. I randomly selected their class without much care, initially, because they were mules. That's how I'd use the class change feature. So I guess you could say I personally would like it... mildly.

Despite the fact that I might use it, I'm not dying for the feature, such that if I were voting for features, I wouldn't prioritize it highly against other requests if it took a ton of development work.

Now, if I think about it from the perspective of the community, I don't see a big issue with others getting the functionality, but I think some type of cool down or limit on the feature should be considered. I also think there would be a downside for a portion of the community. Just like I think it's good that ZOS encourages PVP and whatnot, I think it's good that people would think twice before changing classes (which is what happens now because they have to level another character). Maybe while they think about it, they'll find something to enjoy about their current class. For the people that will play for ten minutes, then just pay to change... sometimes it is good in a game if things aren't too easy.

And if I think about it while considering ZOS, I'm actively against the feature unless we receive confirmation from ZOS that they still support and would continue to allow the "alt lifestyle." This is an assurance we never got after AwA. We only got an admission that AwA was for performance, after many pointed out that the implementation was not alt and RP friendly. We didn't actually get an acknowledgement that ZOS is aware of these play styles. The class change feature is yet another way to support the "one character" playstyle. Which is fine. Play however you like. But without the silence being broken, I'd be concerned if this functionality was rolled out, because I still cringe every time there is a release now, wondering what else might be removed from the game which supports my ability to enjoy alts. I would really like to hear that ZOS supports playing multiple characters and that releasing this functionality isn't another step away from supporting that playstyle.

I know it is extremely unlikely it'll ever happen anyways, but my stance that "I might use it if it existed, but I'm not pining for it and I'm not sure it would be good for the overall health of the game, as it would depend on implementation" just isn't properly represented in the yes/no poll.

Amottica

No

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

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.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
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Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
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In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? .

Because Zenimax is not likely to reduce the revenue they can receive.

Amottica

No

Cooperharley wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

[snip]

I’ve got thousands and thousands of hours and dollars invested in the game. There is no logical reason why subjectively someone wouldn’t want one. As others have said, it’s only logistical reasons.

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Since achievements are account-wide and it only takes a matter of hours can be completed in a day if pushed or a few days if taken slower to level up a character, we are not talking about thousands or hours lost.

We are also talking about paying money for a class change (it will not be free) so buying the skill lines or spending the same money to change classes is not much of an argument.

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FelisCatus

Yes

Amottica wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? .

Because Zenimax is not likely to reduce the revenue they can receive.

Like I said before, the more greedy a company becomes the more it drives away players. I already spend loads of money on DLC and houses and in some cases crates but even I'm starting to get burnt out without class change and I'm almost thinking of taking another long break again.

Kisakee

No

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? All I want is to change my class which is 3 skill lines. I don't need to buy all the other stuff. Your point doesn't really make sense.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Because you're asking for a free ride. Instead of creating a new character and replaying or buying everything from the crown store to get to the point where your previous character stoped you want all of that basically handed over and just switch class for little to no cost. You want to bypass all the time and/ or money. Giving everyone the finger where they invested all those resources is where i draw the line so you either start a new toon like everyone else or you pay big time. Simple as that.

Amottica

No

FelisCatus wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? .

Because Zenimax is not likely to reduce the revenue they can receive.

Like I said before, the more greedy a company becomes the more it drives away players. I already spend loads of money on DLC and houses and in some cases crates but even I'm starting to get burnt out without class change and I'm almost thinking of taking another long break again.

I doubt this has a notable effect on players leaving the game.

Most players I have known (and by most, I mean all but one) in every MMORPG I have played have had many characters across the various classes. If anything Zenimax has made things easier for leveling up a new character which in part includes some items from the crown store.

FelisCatus

Yes

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? All I want is to change my class which is 3 skill lines. I don't need to buy all the other stuff. Your point doesn't really make sense.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Because you're asking for a free ride. Instead of creating a new character and replaying or buying everything from the crown store to get to the point where your previous character stoped you want all of that basically handed over and just switch class for little to no cost. You want to bypass all the time and/ or money. Giving everyone the finger where they invested all those resources is where i draw the line so you either start a new toon like everyone else or you pay big time. Simple as that.

How's it a free ride when I've already spent hundreds if not thousands on this game in money and I've already got over five thousand hours in the game. I've been playing this game since 2015. I wouldn't really call that a free ride. All I want is to change THREE skill lines.
It's really not that complex. It is illogical to have to repeat every other skill lines, quests, mounts etc just to change three skill lines.
[snip]
[edited for baiting]

Kisakee

No

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? All I want is to change my class which is 3 skill lines. I don't need to buy all the other stuff. Your point doesn't really make sense.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Because you're asking for a free ride. Instead of creating a new character and replaying or buying everything from the crown store to get to the point where your previous character stoped you want all of that basically handed over and just switch class for little to no cost. You want to bypass all the time and/ or money. Giving everyone the finger where they invested all those resources is where i draw the line so you either start a new toon like everyone else or you pay big time. Simple as that.

How's it a free ride when I've already spent hundreds if not thousands on this game in money and I've already got over five thousand hours in the game. I've been playing this game since 2015. I wouldn't really call that a free ride. All I want is to change THREE skill lines.
It's really not that complex. It is illogical to have to repeat every other skill lines, quests, mounts etc just to change three skill lines.
[snip]

And this is where you're wrong, it's not just switching 3 skill lines but having a decked out character with a new class from the start. You earned all that stuff on your previous class and if you're giving it up all that has to go too. The game is meant to be played on multiple toons to get everything out of it so of course i'm strongly against switching class but keeping everything else.

[edited to remove quote]

FelisCatus

Yes

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? All I want is to change my class which is 3 skill lines. I don't need to buy all the other stuff. Your point doesn't really make sense.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Because you're asking for a free ride. Instead of creating a new character and replaying or buying everything from the crown store to get to the point where your previous character stoped you want all of that basically handed over and just switch class for little to no cost. You want to bypass all the time and/ or money. Giving everyone the finger where they invested all those resources is where i draw the line so you either start a new toon like everyone else or you pay big time. Simple as that.

How's it a free ride when I've already spent hundreds if not thousands on this game in money and I've already got over five thousand hours in the game. I've been playing this game since 2015. I wouldn't really call that a free ride. All I want is to change THREE skill lines.
It's really not that complex. It is illogical to have to repeat every other skill lines, quests, mounts etc just to change three skill lines.
[snip]

And this is where you're wrong, it's not just switching 3 skill lines but having a decked out character with a new class from the start. You earned all that stuff on your previous class and if you're giving it up all that has to go too. The game is meant to be played on multiple toons to get everything out of it so of course i'm strongly against switching class but keeping everything else.

[edited to remove quote]

A class is literally just 3 skill lines. Your point? You could make the same logic against AWA - if anything AWA have done more "damage" to "the struggle" than a class change token would.

Kisakee

No

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? All I want is to change my class which is 3 skill lines. I don't need to buy all the other stuff. Your point doesn't really make sense.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Because you're asking for a free ride. Instead of creating a new character and replaying or buying everything from the crown store to get to the point where your previous character stoped you want all of that basically handed over and just switch class for little to no cost. You want to bypass all the time and/ or money. Giving everyone the finger where they invested all those resources is where i draw the line so you either start a new toon like everyone else or you pay big time. Simple as that.

How's it a free ride when I've already spent hundreds if not thousands on this game in money and I've already got over five thousand hours in the game. I've been playing this game since 2015. I wouldn't really call that a free ride. All I want is to change THREE skill lines.
It's really not that complex. It is illogical to have to repeat every other skill lines, quests, mounts etc just to change three skill lines.
[snip]

And this is where you're wrong, it's not just switching 3 skill lines but having a decked out character with a new class from the start. You earned all that stuff on your previous class and if you're giving it up all that has to go too. The game is meant to be played on multiple toons to get everything out of it so of course i'm strongly against switching class but keeping everything else.

[edited to remove quote]

A class is literally just 3 skill lines. Your point? You could make the same logic against AWA - if anything AWA have done more "damage" to "the struggle" than a class change token would.

You're basically asking ZOS to either cut their profits or to accept that you're not willing to populate their servers, not gonna happen. Ignoring facts and being adamant that it's "just 3 skills lines" when it's clearly so much more isn't getting you anywhere. Being all snappy neither.

I'm out of this conversation.

OtarTheMad

No

I was going to say yes because my main right now is a Magcro and I’d love to switch it to an Arcanist or DK but I just know that if I did do that then I’d miss my Magcro when it is eventually fixed. So I have to go with no, I’m an altoholic… I’m good.

SandandStars

Yes

Of course I’d like to be able to change a class.

Leveling up a character is fun, once, even two or three times. After that… boor-rinng.

Some people like finding books to level up the Mages Guild skill line on each of their alts. Again, again, and again. I am happy for them, but I do not understand them.

FelisCatus

Yes

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

Why should I have to pay for all of the skill lines/skyshards and mount training when I already have it unlocked on my main? All I want is to change my class which is 3 skill lines. I don't need to buy all the other stuff. Your point doesn't really make sense.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Because you're asking for a free ride. Instead of creating a new character and replaying or buying everything from the crown store to get to the point where your previous character stoped you want all of that basically handed over and just switch class for little to no cost. You want to bypass all the time and/ or money. Giving everyone the finger where they invested all those resources is where i draw the line so you either start a new toon like everyone else or you pay big time. Simple as that.

How's it a free ride when I've already spent hundreds if not thousands on this game in money and I've already got over five thousand hours in the game. I've been playing this game since 2015. I wouldn't really call that a free ride. All I want is to change THREE skill lines.
It's really not that complex. It is illogical to have to repeat every other skill lines, quests, mounts etc just to change three skill lines.
[snip]

And this is where you're wrong, it's not just switching 3 skill lines but having a decked out character with a new class from the start. You earned all that stuff on your previous class and if you're giving it up all that has to go too. The game is meant to be played on multiple toons to get everything out of it so of course i'm strongly against switching class but keeping everything else.

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A class is literally just 3 skill lines. Your point? You could make the same logic against AWA - if anything AWA have done more "damage" to "the struggle" than a class change token would.

You're basically asking ZOS to either cut their profits or to accept that you're not willing to populate their servers, not gonna happen. Ignoring facts and being adamant that it's "just 3 skills lines" when it's clearly so much more isn't getting you anywhere. Being all snappy neither.

I'm out of this conversation.

It literally is 3 skill lines what more is there to a class than 3 skill lines? I think you're erroneously conflating class with character. However AWA made individual characters less individual. So your real issue seems to be with AWA not a class change.

IZZEFlameLash

SandandStars wrote: »

Of course I’d like to be able to change a class.

Leveling up a character is fun, once, even two or three times. After that… boor-rinng.

Some people like finding books to level up the Mages Guild skill line on each of their alts. Again, again, and again. I am happy for them, but I do not understand them.

Wish guild skills would be account wide too. It is literally too tiring to do every single guild line again on new char. But that'd mean they' have to take down the crown guild skill lines. So... yeah...

Gray_howling_parrot

Yes

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
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Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
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In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

[snip]

I’ve got thousands and thousands of hours and dollars invested in the game. There is no logical reason why subjectively someone wouldn’t want one. As others have said, it’s only logistical reasons.

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Since achievements are account-wide and it only takes a matter of hours can be completed in a day if pushed or a few days if taken slower to level up a character, we are not talking about thousands or hours lost.

We are also talking about paying money for a class change (it will not be free) so buying the skill lines or spending the same money to change classes is not much of an argument.

[edited to remove quote]

All the zone completion, motifs learned (I have every single one learned), mount training, skyshards, skill lines leveled, etc etc etc is not a matter of hours? Sure - I can level a new character up to 50 using sealed alchemy writs and a double xp event in roughly 45 minutes. Thats not the point. I lose all of my progression.

For your last point - there's not a person here that is saying it will be free, including myself. What I'm saying is you are only changing 3 class skill lines. Would they lose a bit of revenue? Sure - but I'm also saying that it should be a bit more expensive than other tokens for that reason. There was somebody that stated it should be as expensive as all purchasable skill lines combined and that was one of the most absurd things I had read.

Amottica

No

Cooperharley wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
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Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
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In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

[snip]

I’ve got thousands and thousands of hours and dollars invested in the game. There is no logical reason why subjectively someone wouldn’t want one. As others have said, it’s only logistical reasons.

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Since achievements are account-wide and it only takes a matter of hours can be completed in a day if pushed or a few days if taken slower to level up a character, we are not talking about thousands or hours lost.

We are also talking about paying money for a class change (it will not be free) so buying the skill lines or spending the same money to change classes is not much of an argument.

[edited to remove quote]

All the zone completion, motifs learned (I have every single one learned), mount training, skyshards, skill lines leveled, etc etc etc is not a matter of hours? Sure - I can level a new character up to 50 using sealed alchemy writs and a double xp event in roughly 45 minutes. Thats not the point. I lose all of my progression.

For your last point - there's not a person here that is saying it will be free, including myself. What I'm saying is you are only changing 3 class skill lines. Would they lose a bit of revenue? Sure - but I'm also saying that it should be a bit more expensive than other tokens for that reason. There was somebody that stated it should be as expensive as all purchasable skill lines combined and that was one of the most absurd things I had read.

It was suggested in the OP of the possibility of this costing gold or crowns. Costing gold would be free.

Also, I have not said I do not want such a token added or that it should not be. I could care less if Zenimax were to add such a token as I have every class as most player MMORPGs for any length of time tend to do It is extremely easy to get a new character up to speed and they do not have to learn the motifs since the original character still has that knowledge.

And a class change token is not about three skill lines. Zenimax does not care about those three skill lines as that is small stuff. What they care about is the guild skill lines, the AvA skill lines, the sky shards, and the mount training. That adds up to big bucks and the business people, the ones who make the real decisions, will not permit selling a guild skill line for less than what they can expect to gain from selling what is already available.

In other words, the cost of three skill lines is irrelevant. It is the other stuff that determines the cost. That is sound business logic.

Gray_howling_parrot

Yes

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

[snip]

I’ve got thousands and thousands of hours and dollars invested in the game. There is no logical reason why subjectively someone wouldn’t want one. As others have said, it’s only logistical reasons.

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Since achievements are account-wide and it only takes a matter of hours can be completed in a day if pushed or a few days if taken slower to level up a character, we are not talking about thousands or hours lost.

We are also talking about paying money for a class change (it will not be free) so buying the skill lines or spending the same money to change classes is not much of an argument.

[edited to remove quote]

All the zone completion, motifs learned (I have every single one learned), mount training, skyshards, skill lines leveled, etc etc etc is not a matter of hours? Sure - I can level a new character up to 50 using sealed alchemy writs and a double xp event in roughly 45 minutes. Thats not the point. I lose all of my progression.

For your last point - there's not a person here that is saying it will be free, including myself. What I'm saying is you are only changing 3 class skill lines. Would they lose a bit of revenue? Sure - but I'm also saying that it should be a bit more expensive than other tokens for that reason. There was somebody that stated it should be as expensive as all purchasable skill lines combined and that was one of the most absurd things I had read.

It was suggested in the OP of the possibility of this costing gold or crowns. Costing gold would be free.

Also, I have not said I do not want such a token added or that it should not be. I could care less if Zenimax were to add such a token as I have every class as most player MMORPGs for any length of time tend to do It is extremely easy to get a new character up to speed and they do not have to learn the motifs since the original character still has that knowledge.

And a class change token is not about three skill lines. Zenimax does not care about those three skill lines as that is small stuff. What they care about is the guild skill lines, the AvA skill lines, the sky shards, and the mount training. That adds up to big bucks and the business people, the ones who make the real decisions, will not permit selling a guild skill line for less than what they can expect to gain from selling what is already available.

In other words, the cost of three skill lines is irrelevant. It is the other stuff that determines the cost. That is sound business logic.

You are arguing the minutia of financing the token when this post is about whether or not it should be in the game. I would heavily prefer for this token to be in the game - argument done.

A class change token PLAIN AND SIMPLE changes 3 class skill lines. OBVIOUSLY for some people, it would mean that they wouldn't have to purchase the other lines - which AGAIN is why we've said it'd be more expensive than the other tokens. But to say across the board that every person who wants a class change token has instead purchased every available skill line in the store is simply ridiculous - this is not 'sound business logic' lol. You are referring to opportunity cost, which can only be quantified so much. This is the point. I highly believe that the class change token would be highly profitable for ZOS and it would only benefit people that want it - it would not even remotely affect those who aren't interested in buying it just as much as an appearance change token doesn't affect those who don't want it. BUT it cannot be worth every single class skill line combined as you and others have suggested because that's not feasible for one and it's also not equatable to what many people do in the crown store.

All I want is for my templar main with all my stuff unlocked and done to be an arcanist for instance. Why are some people so hot and bothered over this? It's absolutely wild and kinda concerning lol

FelisCatus

Yes

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

[snip]

I’ve got thousands and thousands of hours and dollars invested in the game. There is no logical reason why subjectively someone wouldn’t want one. As others have said, it’s only logistical reasons.

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Since achievements are account-wide and it only takes a matter of hours can be completed in a day if pushed or a few days if taken slower to level up a character, we are not talking about thousands or hours lost.

We are also talking about paying money for a class change (it will not be free) so buying the skill lines or spending the same money to change classes is not much of an argument.

[edited to remove quote]

All the zone completion, motifs learned (I have every single one learned), mount training, skyshards, skill lines leveled, etc etc etc is not a matter of hours? Sure - I can level a new character up to 50 using sealed alchemy writs and a double xp event in roughly 45 minutes. Thats not the point. I lose all of my progression.

For your last point - there's not a person here that is saying it will be free, including myself. What I'm saying is you are only changing 3 class skill lines. Would they lose a bit of revenue? Sure - but I'm also saying that it should be a bit more expensive than other tokens for that reason. There was somebody that stated it should be as expensive as all purchasable skill lines combined and that was one of the most absurd things I had read.

It was suggested in the OP of the possibility of this costing gold or crowns. Costing gold would be free.

Also, I have not said I do not want such a token added or that it should not be. I could care less if Zenimax were to add such a token as I have every class as most player MMORPGs for any length of time tend to do It is extremely easy to get a new character up to speed and they do not have to learn the motifs since the original character still has that knowledge.

And a class change token is not about three skill lines. Zenimax does not care about those three skill lines as that is small stuff. What they care about is the guild skill lines, the AvA skill lines, the sky shards, and the mount training. That adds up to big bucks and the business people, the ones who make the real decisions, will not permit selling a guild skill line for less than what they can expect to gain from selling what is already available.

In other words, the cost of three skill lines is irrelevant. It is the other stuff that determines the cost. That is sound business logic.

I agree with you but then we circle back to my other point of excessive greed to the point where it becomes beyond reason and that drives players away. A lot of people aren't okay with anti-consumerist actions. Just look at the customer revolt CA had with Total War recently.

FelisCatus

Yes

Cooperharley wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

[snip]

I’ve got thousands and thousands of hours and dollars invested in the game. There is no logical reason why subjectively someone wouldn’t want one. As others have said, it’s only logistical reasons.

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Since achievements are account-wide and it only takes a matter of hours can be completed in a day if pushed or a few days if taken slower to level up a character, we are not talking about thousands or hours lost.

We are also talking about paying money for a class change (it will not be free) so buying the skill lines or spending the same money to change classes is not much of an argument.

[edited to remove quote]

All the zone completion, motifs learned (I have every single one learned), mount training, skyshards, skill lines leveled, etc etc etc is not a matter of hours? Sure - I can level a new character up to 50 using sealed alchemy writs and a double xp event in roughly 45 minutes. Thats not the point. I lose all of my progression.

For your last point - there's not a person here that is saying it will be free, including myself. What I'm saying is you are only changing 3 class skill lines. Would they lose a bit of revenue? Sure - but I'm also saying that it should be a bit more expensive than other tokens for that reason. There was somebody that stated it should be as expensive as all purchasable skill lines combined and that was one of the most absurd things I had read.

It was suggested in the OP of the possibility of this costing gold or crowns. Costing gold would be free.

Also, I have not said I do not want such a token added or that it should not be. I could care less if Zenimax were to add such a token as I have every class as most player MMORPGs for any length of time tend to do It is extremely easy to get a new character up to speed and they do not have to learn the motifs since the original character still has that knowledge.

And a class change token is not about three skill lines. Zenimax does not care about those three skill lines as that is small stuff. What they care about is the guild skill lines, the AvA skill lines, the sky shards, and the mount training. That adds up to big bucks and the business people, the ones who make the real decisions, will not permit selling a guild skill line for less than what they can expect to gain from selling what is already available.

In other words, the cost of three skill lines is irrelevant. It is the other stuff that determines the cost. That is sound business logic.

You are arguing the minutia of financing the token when this post is about whether or not it should be in the game. I would heavily prefer for this token to be in the game - argument done.

A class change token PLAIN AND SIMPLE changes 3 class skill lines. OBVIOUSLY for some people, it would mean that they wouldn't have to purchase the other lines - which AGAIN is why we've said it'd be more expensive than the other tokens. But to say across the board that every person who wants a class change token has instead purchased every available skill line in the store is simply ridiculous - this is not 'sound business logic' lol. You are referring to opportunity cost, which can only be quantified so much. This is the point. I highly believe that the class change token would be highly profitable for ZOS and it would only benefit people that want it - it would not even remotely affect those who aren't interested in buying it just as much as an appearance change token doesn't affect those who don't want it. BUT it cannot be worth every single class skill line combined as you and others have suggested because that's not feasible for one and it's also not equatable to what many people do in the crown store.

All I want is for my templar main with all my stuff unlocked and done to be an arcanist for instance. Why are some people so hot and bothered over this? It's absolutely wild and kinda concerning lol

Yeah I never understand the resistance when it doesn't affect them. If you don't like it don't use it and if people who use it bother you just don't play with them? There is a strong use case for a class change token and the demand for it is very high.

Whether ZOS can't implement it because they're likely run by a skeleton crew right now or because of the spaghetti code or because of shareholder greed is irrelevant.

What should be relevant is as a business you should adapt to what the market demands. That's how you make money, you sell what people want to buy. It is very clear to me even if a class change token would cost a lot of crowns and wouldn't be able to bought with gold people would still buy it because the demand is so high. So it would be very lucrative for ZOS. People will buy it as these countless threads and polls on the matter show overwhelmingly that most people want it.

Kallykat

peacenote wrote: »

This is a case where just yes and no, combined with the question, doesn't quite cover the discussion.

Would I personally like the ability to change my class, vs. whether I think others who want it should be able to do it, is a completely different question for many. The question is worded specifically to ask about the individual only,.

I chose yes, but I would use it rarely, especially if it is expensive. I love alts, so the main reason I'd use a class change would be if another class comes out in the future, especially if we don't get any more slots. I am bad at character creation. I have a handful of mules where I like how they look, and I might want to level them, but I wouldn't want to have to try and re-create their looks. I randomly selected their class without much care, initially, because they were mules. That's how I'd use the class change feature. So I guess you could say I personally would like it... mildly.

Despite the fact that I might use it, I'm not dying for the feature, such that if I were voting for features, I wouldn't prioritize it highly against other requests if it took a ton of development work.

Now, if I think about it from the perspective of the community, I don't see a big issue with others getting the functionality, but I think some type of cool down or limit on the feature should be considered. I also think there would be a downside for a portion of the community. Just like I think it's good that ZOS encourages PVP and whatnot, I think it's good that people would think twice before changing classes (which is what happens now because they have to level another character). Maybe while they think about it, they'll find something to enjoy about their current class. For the people that will play for ten minutes, then just pay to change... sometimes it is good in a game if things aren't too easy.

And if I think about it while considering ZOS, I'm actively against the feature unless we receive confirmation from ZOS that they still support and would continue to allow the "alt lifestyle." This is an assurance we never got after AwA. We only got an admission that AwA was for performance, after many pointed out that the implementation was not alt and RP friendly. We didn't actually get an acknowledgement that ZOS is aware of these play styles. The class change feature is yet another way to support the "one character" playstyle. Which is fine. Play however you like. But without the silence being broken, I'd be concerned if this functionality was rolled out, because I still cringe every time there is a release now, wondering what else might be removed from the game which supports my ability to enjoy alts. I would really like to hear that ZOS supports playing multiple characters and that releasing this functionality isn't another step away from supporting that playstyle.

I know it is extremely unlikely it'll ever happen anyways, but my stance that "I might use it if it existed, but I'm not pining for it and I'm not sure it would be good for the overall health of the game, as it would depend on implementation" just isn't properly represented in the yes/no poll.

Well said! I'm in agreement with this post on all points.

I prefer creating alts to changing classes in general. I enjoy the process of leveling up a new character, probably because I'm not in a rush to play difficult content or pvp. For the most part, it doesn't feel like a grind, and I have characters at a variety of levels who are all on their separate quests and journeys with their own goals. I do worry that with some of the changes in recent years ZOS is trying to guide players toward fewer alts. I'm happy for them to support players who prefer to play a single character (although I can't help but feel they're missing out) as long as it's not at the expense of those of us who prefer the "alt lifestyle."

However, there are a few cases in which I could see myself using a class-change option. I do have a couple alts whom I created years ago and could now see fitting better, from a roleplay perspective, in another class. I don't see this as a huge problem and can live with them as they are. The other case is one mentioned in the post above: the case of a new class being released. Due to the limited slots, I only have three characters in any class--one tank, one dd, and one healer in each. (We need at least 21 slots, ZOS!) When the Arcanist was released and we were finally given more character slots, I wanted to create a Dremora with the traditional fiery Dagon aesthetics, but I didn't feel that fit the new Mora-based class. I also wanted to try out the new Arcanist class. If there was a class change token, I would have used it to change my Dunmer to an Arcanist and then created a new Dremora DK. Instead, I had to use the roundabout method of using a name change token and an appearance change token on my DK Dunmer to make her a Dremora and then try to carefully recreate the look of my Dunmer as a new Arcanist character. Luckily, my Dunmer was one of my lower-level characters, and it only hurt my heart a little to start her from scratch and to have my Dremora be unable to complete certain quest lines with choices that fit her personality.

In summary, while I might use a class change token on rare occasions and don't want to deny others that opportunity as well, I do have some concerns about it and can live without it if need be (especially if ZOS starts being more generous with character slots).

ESO_Nightingale

Yes

Voted yes because i think this should be allowed. Not because i would do it. I only really play warden anyway.

IZZEFlameLash

FelisCatus wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

<removed previous quote>
.....The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?
================
Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.
=============
In case you haven't noticed, there are now account wide achievements. And you can buy zone skyshards in the crown store

Again, my point is why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Not everyone will buy all skill lines and skyshards or all the training books for mounts. Some people don't need that or can't afford it but I'm sure most people would find buying a class change token more reasonable.

So how about variable costs then: You'll get your token for the price of a new character slot but have to pay extra for everything you completely unlocked on that specific character that can be bought through crown store. Got the Skyshards in 13 zones? You'll have to pay for all of them. Have Excavation maxed out? Gotta pay for that. Your mount is maxed out? Pay for all those Riding Lessons.

This way you're paying the price someone else would pay for getting a fresh toon to the point where they let another one off. Sounds fair?

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I’ve got thousands and thousands of hours and dollars invested in the game. There is no logical reason why subjectively someone wouldn’t want one. As others have said, it’s only logistical reasons.

I’ve already unlocked all the stuff you’ve said on my main - why would I pay for something I’ve already unlocked? A class change token changes 3 class skill lines. I’m confused (very confused) what you’re talking about?

Since achievements are account-wide and it only takes a matter of hours can be completed in a day if pushed or a few days if taken slower to level up a character, we are not talking about thousands or hours lost.

We are also talking about paying money for a class change (it will not be free) so buying the skill lines or spending the same money to change classes is not much of an argument.

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All the zone completion, motifs learned (I have every single one learned), mount training, skyshards, skill lines leveled, etc etc etc is not a matter of hours? Sure - I can level a new character up to 50 using sealed alchemy writs and a double xp event in roughly 45 minutes. Thats not the point. I lose all of my progression.

For your last point - there's not a person here that is saying it will be free, including myself. What I'm saying is you are only changing 3 class skill lines. Would they lose a bit of revenue? Sure - but I'm also saying that it should be a bit more expensive than other tokens for that reason. There was somebody that stated it should be as expensive as all purchasable skill lines combined and that was one of the most absurd things I had read.

It was suggested in the OP of the possibility of this costing gold or crowns. Costing gold would be free.

Also, I have not said I do not want such a token added or that it should not be. I could care less if Zenimax were to add such a token as I have every class as most player MMORPGs for any length of time tend to do It is extremely easy to get a new character up to speed and they do not have to learn the motifs since the original character still has that knowledge.

And a class change token is not about three skill lines. Zenimax does not care about those three skill lines as that is small stuff. What they care about is the guild skill lines, the AvA skill lines, the sky shards, and the mount training. That adds up to big bucks and the business people, the ones who make the real decisions, will not permit selling a guild skill line for less than what they can expect to gain from selling what is already available.

In other words, the cost of three skill lines is irrelevant. It is the other stuff that determines the cost. That is sound business logic.

I agree with you but then we circle back to my other point of excessive greed to the point where it becomes beyond reason and that drives players away. A lot of people aren't okay with anti-consumerist actions. Just look at the customer revolt CA had with Total War recently.

Unfortunately, I believe MMO and ARPG fanbase is more akin to a cult than any other genre. So there will be no disgruntled customers uniting to that degree.

mmtaniac

Yes

Off course my main is templar class but current templar class is not that templar class i played in older patches my jabs feel bad i love jabs play. Right now i can't play jabs as a main source or damage in pvp because game have too many damage reduction especially major evasion(before majore evasion add chance to dodge attack) right now it's reduce this ability by 25% wchich is massive. I know other classes feel this buff too but they don't have spammable ability that is aoe damage. Second problem my class burst damage just not exist we have that one ability that should deal good acceptable damage but it doesn't this time i mean Power of the Light and other morph. They could change this ability to be different not force us to stack it or just stack effect be secondary bonus too damage of this ability that is applied by some certain condition something like crux mechanic but with burning light. I mean potl deal damage similiar to sorc curse as a normal ability + gain secondary effect that can be increased only by burning light damage. You still can play without it because it's damage it's strong enouhg but can be stronger in jabs play.
Third is lacking of defense abilities except healing. Right now i don't know what to do maybe templar tank players could add more in this how improve templar defense without too much overbuffed it.
My only propose was adding overhealing mechanic as a passive ability wchich means give us shield by 20% of you overall self heal (shield not reduced by battle spirit). This way we get more defense but still use our main defense mechanic that is healing and healing taken sets will be more attractive on templars. This is why i want class change token to be possible to resign from this class because current one is not acceptable right now.

yadibroz

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Be it as a paid with gold or paid with crowns feature. I am attached to my one character I've played for quite literally years. I do not enjoy re-grinding on alts. I just want to be able to reinvent my main. I do have alts and have levelled and grinded out skill lines on them but I cannot enjoy them as I do not have the same connection to them. I really hope as apart of 2024 however unlikely maybe for the 10 year anniversary we will get the ability to change class. As all it really is are 3 skill lines. I think if we can change, appearance, race, gender, alliance then I don't think changing class is that crazy especially from a lore standpoint it would make more sense than changing race. I don't think class changing would break meta at all, I know some people will say "but that just means x class is flavour of the month due to nerfs or buffs". However you see that anyway without a class change people just play their alt which is strong for current patch. So adding a class change token wouldn't change much except give players more freedom. The only thing I can think that is preventing it is the spaghetti code but if it's just changing skill lines well we already have the ability to gain or remove skill lines like werewolf/vampire. So I do think it is entirely possible.

Replace ice skill tree from warden and give it to a new class

Mystic_Zinja

YES
could be interesting

Jestir

Yes

The dream would be class changing being baked into the armory system

They can monetize it just like they do armory slots, per character extra class unlock. Probably get far more money from this then a lot of other things.

A class change token would be option #2