This will change NB for EVER

JonnytheKing

EDIT, im guesing they ment to do this, as its not changed on the pts after a patch

100m Range on detects

This is the pts

Hapexamendios

How many people would actually use that?

JonnytheKing

Hapexamendios wrote: »

How many people would actually use that?

100m is the base now, so can make any detect pot you want and heaps of poeple use detected pots in pvp

Thecompton73

Dang I thought you were joking but that actually is from the current PTS. Still I would guess it's a mistake since that would be a huge change and it's not mentioned anywhere in the patch notes. At 100m they might as well just delete invisibility from the game.

SeaGtGruff

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Dang I thought you were joking but that actually is from the current PTS. Still I would guess it's a mistake since that would be a huge change and it's not mentioned anywhere in the patch notes. At 100m they might as well just delete invisibility from the game.

Isn't that basically what some players have been asking for?

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Wouldn't effect my NB at all, Don't use Invisibility.

SeaGtGruff

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Wouldn't effect my NB at all, Don't use Invisibility.

Pretty much the same for my NB main, as well. But I could definitely see how it will make a difference in PvP.

Mayrael

@ZOS_Kevin
Can we please get some official comment on this?

TybaltKaine

It's pretty obviously a mistake, considering the range for Snipe and it's morphs caps at 40 meters. Snipers are the long-range kings, so no way you'd be countering basic stealth from that far out.

FantasticFreddie

Does it actually work as described in the tool tip or is it just a mistake on the description and the functionality of the pots themselves remains unaffected?

emilyhyoyeon

If this were real I can guarantee people still wouldn't use detect pots lol

TybaltKaine

This could go live and we'd still get a half dozen "Stealth is broken" threads a day during Mayhem.

Tommy_The_Gun

Is it just a UI tool tip or it actually detects in THAT range ? Have anyone tested it ?

It sounds kinda weird and game breaking for sure. Imagine if you use it in a keep or IC. Some one on the other side of the IC district will be detected, even if you dont have a line of sight.

People will be reporting that stealth / invisibility does not work and they will think it is the fault of the PvE mobs. But in reality it will be some player standing in their re-spawn in IC and acting as a "radar" lol.

Also, just a thought. If you combine new potion cooldown set with potion cooldown jewelry, you can easily get 100% uptime on many potions - including detection potions.

Another idea that comes to mind is this: Imagine you are in Cyro in the middle of nowhere or you are approaching a keep, but you are still far away and out of nowhere you get detected. You back up 2 meters and you go back to stealth again. So you immediately know that "someone" out there is using detected potions. So it can work both ways. They will detected you, but they will not even know that as they will not even see you since you are still very far away (the game won't even render you for them). But you will know that enemy player is less that 100 meters away from you.

Sure, it affects NBs the most, but not only them. Vampires and any one who uses stealth potions won't be able to use it. On top of that crouch stealth will also be useless (any class can do those things). So we are talking about entire mechanics being wiped from the game.

Mayrael

TybaltKaine wrote: »

It's pretty obviously a mistake, considering the range for Snipe and it's morphs caps at 40 meters. Snipers are the long-range kings, so no way you'd be countering basic stealth from that far out.

This is not just a typo in the description, as the potion now actually has a range of 100m. This means that it was an intentional change. However, I would like to hear an official response on this issue before making any decisions, as such a change practically means the end of my subscription.

Such a change means that the cloak can be immediately removed from the game. Just 3 players taking turns using such a potion would ensure that there is no NB within a radius of 100m around them, which eliminates the entire playstyle from the game.

Mayrael

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Is it just a UI tool tip or it actually detects in THAT range ? Have anyone tested it ?

It sounds kinda weird and game breaking for sure. Imagine if you use it in a keep or IC. Some one on the other side of the IC district will be detected, even if you dont have a line of sight.

People will be reporting that stealth / invisibility does not work and they will think it is the fault of the PvE mobs. But in reality it will be some player standing in their re-spawn in IC and acting as a "radar" lol.

Also, just a thought. If you combine new potion cooldown set with potion cooldown jewelry, you can easily get 100% uptime on many potions - including detection potions.

Another idea that comes to mind is this: Imagine you are in Cyro in the middle of nowhere or you are approaching a keep, but you are still far away and out of nowhere you get detected. You back up 2 meters and you go back to stealth again. So you immediately know that "someone" out there is using detected potions. So it can work both ways. They will detected you, but they will not even know that as they will not even see you since you are still very far away (the game won't even render you for them). But you will know that enemy player is less that 100 meters away from you.

Sure, it affects NBs the most, but not only them. Vampires and any one who uses stealth potions won't be able to use it. On top of that crouch stealth will also be useless (any class can do those things). So we are talking about entire mechanics being wiped from the game.

Tested. It does have 100m range now.

When you use stealth you'll get opening eye but when you use cloak, vampire invisibility or potion you'll get no warning.

SpacemanSpiff1

didnt notice this in the patch notes.

Holycannoli

100m?

Is this to counter people stealthing in keeps?

Mayrael

I hope it was just a mistake made while working on this:

Fixed an issue where sources of Invisibility from things such as Shadow Cloak or potions could still allow you to be detected by other players in some cases, such as when you were wearing too many pieces of Heavy Armor, or when player targets had increases to Stealth Detection.

Edit:
It can be leftover after testing the fix.

Four_Fingers

Now we need a pot that removes shields and purges for 15 seconds.
Or how about a new potion - Dot-Away!

Mayrael

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Now we need a pot that removes shields and purges for 15 seconds.
Or how about a new potion - Dot-Away!

But remember that these potions cannot counter the use of shields or purge. They should work like detection potions, meaning that player A casts a shield, spends resources, the shield is visually present, but when player B attacks him, the shield disappears and player A takes damage.

Tommy_The_Gun

Mayrael wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Is it just a UI tool tip or it actually detects in THAT range ? Have anyone tested it ?

It sounds kinda weird and game breaking for sure. Imagine if you use it in a keep or IC. Some one on the other side of the IC district will be detected, even if you dont have a line of sight.

People will be reporting that stealth / invisibility does not work and they will think it is the fault of the PvE mobs. But in reality it will be some player standing in their re-spawn in IC and acting as a "radar" lol.

Also, just a thought. If you combine new potion cooldown set with potion cooldown jewelry, you can easily get 100% uptime on many potions - including detection potions.

Another idea that comes to mind is this: Imagine you are in Cyro in the middle of nowhere or you are approaching a keep, but you are still far away and out of nowhere you get detected. You back up 2 meters and you go back to stealth again. So you immediately know that "someone" out there is using detected potions. So it can work both ways. They will detected you, but they will not even know that as they will not even see you since you are still very far away (the game won't even render you for them). But you will know that enemy player is less that 100 meters away from you.

Sure, it affects NBs the most, but not only them. Vampires and any one who uses stealth potions won't be able to use it. On top of that crouch stealth will also be useless (any class can do those things). So we are talking about entire mechanics being wiped from the game.

Tested. It does have 100m range now.

When you use stealth you'll get opening eye but when you use cloak, vampire invisibility or potion you'll get no warning.

Wow... I am kinda speechless

OK, If someone is reading this, here is a short experiment you can do even on a live server. All you will need is to have Lethal Arrow (Snipe morph).
1. Find a bunch of mobs anywhere in overland (or at least one).
2. Move away to the point where Lethal Arrow will be out of range, then go back and stop as soon as Lethal Arrow lights up and will be in range again.
3. Now run towards the mob (without any speed buff and sprint) and count how many seconds it took.
4. Kill the mob so it would not snare you. Don't loot the mob so that it corpse will remain on the ground.
5. Multiple the amount of seconds you have counted by 2.8 .
6. Run in a straight line in any direction with constant speed for the duration of seconds.
7. The distance you are at from the dead mob is more or less 100 meters - the new detect potions radius.
Bonus: Can you even see the mob ? Is it even still rendered by the game engine ? Yeah...

I am pretty sure it is an oversight & something not intended lol

Mayrael

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Is it just a UI tool tip or it actually detects in THAT range ? Have anyone tested it ?

It sounds kinda weird and game breaking for sure. Imagine if you use it in a keep or IC. Some one on the other side of the IC district will be detected, even if you dont have a line of sight.

People will be reporting that stealth / invisibility does not work and they will think it is the fault of the PvE mobs. But in reality it will be some player standing in their re-spawn in IC and acting as a "radar" lol.

Also, just a thought. If you combine new potion cooldown set with potion cooldown jewelry, you can easily get 100% uptime on many potions - including detection potions.

Another idea that comes to mind is this: Imagine you are in Cyro in the middle of nowhere or you are approaching a keep, but you are still far away and out of nowhere you get detected. You back up 2 meters and you go back to stealth again. So you immediately know that "someone" out there is using detected potions. So it can work both ways. They will detected you, but they will not even know that as they will not even see you since you are still very far away (the game won't even render you for them). But you will know that enemy player is less that 100 meters away from you.

Sure, it affects NBs the most, but not only them. Vampires and any one who uses stealth potions won't be able to use it. On top of that crouch stealth will also be useless (any class can do those things). So we are talking about entire mechanics being wiped from the game.

Tested. It does have 100m range now.

When you use stealth you'll get opening eye but when you use cloak, vampire invisibility or potion you'll get no warning.

Wow... I am kinda speechless

OK, If someone is reading this, here is a short experiment you can do even on a live server. All you will need is to have Lethal Arrow (Snipe morph).
1. Find a bunch of mobs anywhere in overland (or at least one).
2. Move away to the point where Lethal Arrow will be out of range, then go back and stop as soon as Lethal Arrow lights up and will be in range again.
3. Now run towards the mob (without any speed buff and sprint) and count how many seconds it took.
4. Kill the mob so it would not snare you. Don't loot the mob so that it corpse will remain on the ground.
5. Multiple the amount of seconds you have counted by 2.8 .
6. Run in a straight line in any direction with constant speed for the duration of seconds.
7. The distance you are at from the dead mob is more or less 100 meters - the new detect potions radius.
Bonus: Can you even see the mob ? Is it even still rendered by the game engine ? Yeah...

I am pretty sure it is an oversight & something not intended lol

As I mentioned earlier I hope it is some leftover after fix to this:

Fixed an issue where sources of Invisibility from things such as Shadow Cloak or potions could still allow you to be detected by other players in some cases, such as when you were wearing too many pieces of Heavy Armor, or when player targets had increases to Stealth Detection.

FangOfTheTwoMoons

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

If this were real I can guarantee people still wouldn't use detect pots lol

This 100%.


The fact no one uses detect pots already is silly.

NordSwordnBoard

It's like every destroyer in the fleet had no sonar, then they all got advanced sonar. Not good for the submariners.

FantasticFreddie

100 meters is so ridiculous, it HAS to be a mistake.
I mean, even for the user it's worthless. There's a nightblade in the same zip code! You still don't know where or what he's doing, but you can be paranoid for an extra long time now!

RealLoveBVB

Some players can't even watch 100 meters far with their PC's

Naftal

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

100 meters is so ridiculous, it HAS to be a mistake.
I mean, even for the user it's worthless. There's a nightblade in the same zip code! You still don't know where or what he's doing, but you can be paranoid for an extra long time now!

I don't get what you're saying. Do you know how detection potions work?

FantasticFreddie

Naftal wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

100 meters is so ridiculous, it HAS to be a mistake.
I mean, even for the user it's worthless. There's a nightblade in the same zip code! You still don't know where or what he's doing, but you can be paranoid for an extra long time now!

I don't get what you're saying. Do you know how detection potions work?

Going to be real honest, not a clue

Thecompton73

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Naftal wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

100 meters is so ridiculous, it HAS to be a mistake.
I mean, even for the user it's worthless. There's a nightblade in the same zip code! You still don't know where or what he's doing, but you can be paranoid for an extra long time now!

I don't get what you're saying. Do you know how detection potions work?

Going to be real honest, not a clue

Well then for your info the way a detect pot works means that anyone in stealth, whether just crouching or using a skill/potion to go invisible, would be revealed to everyone anytime they got within 100m of someone with the detect active.
As someone else said, it would be the equivalent of having a potion that when drank would make any enemy shields dissolve upon being cast without absorbing any damage any time they got within 100m.

I_killed_Vivec

Who cares if they can see you 100m away? Assuming they can in any case (LoS, graphics capability).

By the time you get close the 15 seconds will be up, they will be on a 30 second cool down, and you hit cloak..

AnduinTryggva

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Thecompton73 wrote: »

Dang I thought you were joking but that actually is from the current PTS. Still I would guess it's a mistake since that would be a huge change and it's not mentioned anywhere in the patch notes. At 100m they might as well just delete invisibility from the game.

Isn't that basically what some players have been asking for?

Yeah. think twice before you make a wish. It might be granted.

To be honest there will always be players in a competition who complain about an unfair advantage. I strongly recommend to try this so-called favored class oneself to see if this is just an issue of perception or if there is a real foundation to the claim.

Strange however that the devs so quickly concede on such claims while on other issues they just don't react at all.