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Reduce the damage gap between purple and gold weapons
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Kisakee✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.0 -
XSTRONG✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
There are alot of ESO players that dont chase meta trial gear because they want to focus on other end game content if you didnt know
And yes we use Gold Plates.3 -
Kisakee✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
There are alot of ESO players that dont chase meta trial gear because they want to focus on other end game content if you didnt know
And yes we use Gold Plates.
Like what, PvP? If it's not PvP nor Trials you don't need golden jewelry. Yes, you may want to have it but there's no real need for it.
And if you decide do not go for vet Trials that's your decision and not the games fault for not giving you enough mats to fulfil your "needs".I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.1 -
XSTRONG✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
There are alot of ESO players that dont chase meta trial gear because they want to focus on other end game content if you didnt know
And yes we use Gold Plates.
Like what, PvP? If it's not PvP nor Trials you don't need golden jewelry. Yes, you may want to have it but there's no real need for it.
And if you decide do not go for vet Trials that's your decision and not the games fault for not giving you enough mats to fulfil your "needs".
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✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
There are alot of ESO players that dont chase meta trial gear because they want to focus on other end game content if you didnt know
And yes we use Gold Plates.
Like what, PvP? If it's not PvP nor Trials you don't need golden jewelry. Yes, you may want to have it but there's no real need for it.
And if you decide do not go for vet Trials that's your decision and not the games fault for not giving you enough mats to fulfil your "needs".
PvP alone seems like a pretty valid reason. Even if you made the argument that PvPers should also be doing vet trials, trial gear isn't good PvP gear.1 -
Kisakee✭✭✭✭✭
✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
There are alot of ESO players that dont chase meta trial gear because they want to focus on other end game content if you didnt know
And yes we use Gold Plates.
Like what, PvP? If it's not PvP nor Trials you don't need golden jewelry. Yes, you may want to have it but there's no real need for it.
And if you decide do not go for vet Trials that's your decision and not the games fault for not giving you enough mats to fulfil your "needs".
PvP alone seems like a pretty valid reason. Even if you made the argument that PvPers should also be doing vet trials, trial gear isn't good PvP gear.
Which is the reason for getting golden PvP jewelry out of high tier PvP rewards.I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
There are alot of ESO players that dont chase meta trial gear because they want to focus on other end game content if you didnt know
And yes we use Gold Plates.
Like what, PvP? If it's not PvP nor Trials you don't need golden jewelry. Yes, you may want to have it but there's no real need for it.
And if you decide do not go for vet Trials that's your decision and not the games fault for not giving you enough mats to fulfil your "needs".
PvP alone seems like a pretty valid reason. Even if you made the argument that PvPers should also be doing vet trials, trial gear isn't good PvP gear.
PVP also has a few sources of the gold jewelry they "need."
We've got gold Rewards for the Worthy sets for being in the top percentiles/leaderboards. We've got the Golden Vendor herself, who offers random jewelry sets in golden quality from overland and dungeons, and who offers most of the PVP sets during Midyear Mayhem (IIRC, some of the newer PVP sets weren't on her list last time?) Now, obviously it can take a long time for the Golden Vendor to bring the item you need, but that's kind of the price you pay for wanting to buy it with AP as opposed to just participating in the crafting system.
Not to mention that PVPers also have items they can buy with AP to sell for gold to spend on gold quality mats, if they want to obtain it that way. Some of my guildmates who basically spent all their time in Cyrodiil made their money by buying the Cyrodiil motifs with AP and reselling them in their guild store.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
Gold mats aren't for vet trials gear. They are for every other gear. The vet trial sourcing is also poor. If it was a good enough source to meet the needs of even vet trials players, who buy the most gold mats anyway, it wouldn't be so expensive. It doesn't need to be as common as Rosin and the like, but more sources of it would lower the floor because the only gear worth golding for even many vet players wouldn't be the gear that already drops in gold.
If they wanted to protect existing sources they could increase the odds of getting a grain from decon, give more jewelry pieces as leaderboard rewards, etc.
But that the gold mats are too scarce as is, is self evident.Edited by spartaxoxo on February 27, 2023 1:55AM3 -
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✭✭✭Do you play often enough to farm material nodes more often or farm gold more often or both? Craglorn might be one of the better zones for farming mats and gold because of potent nirncrux. Be sure to farm nodes (a lot) when a zone has double drops.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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UNSeki✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
"Become strong to complete vet Trials" without gold gear. lol, what. You're seriously expecting people who can't even get their gold materials yet (for legitimate reasons) to be good enough to pull that off?
Learning curves exist. Meta sets and DPS checks exist. Time to play exists. There are multiple legitimate reasons why people may not be getting the most of gold materials they can each week, let alone each day.
But I'll concede to one point. People could buy gold mats instead of farming them.
Well, could, if they weren't that expensive right now. The problem is maybe that the economy in this game doesn't have enough gold sinks for wealthy players, and prices are becoming too obscene for many uncommon but necessary items. That's not the new/learning players's fault. If that can't be fixed right away, the next logical thing to do is to make acquiring materials easier for the average player.
(I'm CP 1300-something and fine with my own gold drops. Other than for the fact that I have to get hirelings and do crafting writs with 12 characters to be able to get enough of them, but hey, I do get them.)0 -
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✭✭gold mats are runaway crazy stupid expensive now, at least on PC. I'd rather see ZOS increase the supply of gold mats to reduce the market pricing, than to change the game mechanics
reduce the required amount of gold mats needed to upgrade.
everyone but the top traders wins.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.1 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »I have one gold weapon among all my characters. I use purple for everything lol. Could explain why I feel so gimped in PvP sometimes. Some of my jewelry is even blue because of how much a pain in the neck it is to get zircon.
I'm also leery of spending so much on a set or build that will probably change with the next update, because the devs love to keep screwing with combat balance.
and if you upgrade everything to gold in pvp, you would find that you die just as quickly. max gear is really the last part that makes you successful in pvp.2 -
Kisakee✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
Gold mats aren't for vet trials gear. They are for every other gear. The vet trial sourcing is also poor. If it was a good enough source to meet the needs of even vet trials players, who buy the most gold mats anyway, it wouldn't be so expensive. It doesn't need to be as common as Rosin and the like, but more sources of it would lower the floor because the only gear worth golding for even many vet players wouldn't be the gear that already drops in gold.
If they wanted to protect existing sources they could increase the odds of getting a grain from decon, give more jewelry pieces as leaderboard rewards, etc.
But that the gold mats are too scarce as is, is self evident.
You're completely missing the point. I'm talking about golden trial gear you can recreate for literally no gold cost at all.I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.0 -
Kisakee✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
"Become strong to complete vet Trials" without gold gear. lol, what. You're seriously expecting people who can't even get their gold materials yet (for legitimate reasons) to be good enough to pull that off?
Learning curves exist. Meta sets and DPS checks exist. Time to play exists. There are multiple legitimate reasons why people may not be getting the most of gold materials they can each week, let alone each day.
But I'll concede to one point. People could buy gold mats instead of farming them.
Well, could, if they weren't that expensive right now. The problem is maybe that the economy in this game doesn't have enough gold sinks for wealthy players, and prices are becoming too obscene for many uncommon but necessary items. That's not the new/learning players's fault. If that can't be fixed right away, the next logical thing to do is to make acquiring materials easier for the average player.
(I'm CP 1300-something and fine with my own gold drops. Other than for the fact that I have to get hirelings and do crafting writs with 12 characters to be able to get enough of them, but hey, I do get them.)
If you want the best high end gear i'm all in for earning it and not getting it handed within a couple days or a week or two. You can't afford the time? Well MMO's are not meant to be "played through" in like 10-20 hours like your average single player FPS. They are meant to bind you for a very, very long time. Don't start an MMO when you don't want to sink a lot of time into it.
The game loses. If there's nothing to strive for people will lose interest extremely fast and carry on. That's why so many people are for making things like Overland harder - having a proper challenge, having something to work towards and feel satisfied in the end.I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Gold mats are easy to come by and inexpensive, with the exception of chromium platings which could maybe use a boost in how they are obtained.
No they don't. Most people don't realise that there already is a compensation for golden jewelry mats, it's just gated behind vet Trials. As many PvE setups require one Trial set anyway which comes with golden jewelry on the perfected version (if it exists) you won't need any mats there anyway.
Those people asking for a raise in drops are also those who are unable to get these sets for whatever reason. Best advice is: Become strrong to complete vet Trials or at least have some strong people helping you out in that regard. For everyone arguing against this: No.
Gold mats aren't for vet trials gear. They are for every other gear. The vet trial sourcing is also poor. If it was a good enough source to meet the needs of even vet trials players, who buy the most gold mats anyway, it wouldn't be so expensive. It doesn't need to be as common as Rosin and the like, but more sources of it would lower the floor because the only gear worth golding for even many vet players wouldn't be the gear that already drops in gold.
If they wanted to protect existing sources they could increase the odds of getting a grain from decon, give more jewelry pieces as leaderboard rewards, etc.
But that the gold mats are too scarce as is, is self evident.
You're completely missing the point. I'm talking about golden trial gear you can recreate for literally no gold cost at all.
I did address that point, but I'll reiterate and expand. Gold mats aren't for vet trials gear. It's for the other gear. If the best solution to using gold mats is to bypass the gold mat system entirely by making your jewelry vet trial gear, then the gold mat system is self evidently not balanced properly.
There is balance point that is in-between as cheap as easy and easy to get as Kuta and as not worth engaging with like Chromium Plating. Players should be encouraged to use vet trial gear for their rings because it's the best optimized spot for it, not because it's literally less of a hassle than golding out their other set. But the short supply encourages people not to think how to build optimally but how to bypass it entirely. That's not a healthy level of supply.Edited by spartaxoxo on February 27, 2023 10:02PM1 -
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They've already done that for Jewelry, the other gold mats are easy to come by.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭disintegr8 wrote: »
They've already done that for Jewelry, the other gold mats are easy to come by.
do it all around, it hurts nobody but the traders which tbh needs a tone down of inflation, hell i'd argue with more demand they will make MORE money with cheaper salesPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Some of us will never participate in the market in this game. I'm not going to be happy to have my reward gold from writs cut in half or removed. If that happens, in an apparent attempt to force participation in the crap guild seller setup in this game, I'll just find a different game to play.
To be frank, I don't think we should be balancing the game around people that don't participate in the economy.
And lets also be clear. If you don't participate in the markets, you don't need gold, unless you literally only buy things from NPC merchants, which is doubtful. You do participate in the markets, you just do it in a one sided manner. This is why we have rampant inflation, especially on PC.katanagirl1 wrote: »Some of us will never participate in the market in this game. I'm not going to be happy to have my reward gold from writs cut in half or removed. If that happens, in an apparent attempt to force participation in the crap guild seller setup in this game, I'll just find a different game to play.
I do participate in the game markets and do crafting writs on several toons and I’m not a new player. My main source of gold is the daily crafting writs since furnishing plan drop rates in the current zone (whichever it happens to be) is so astronomically low that I can’t get enough duplicates to sell.
Don’t take that income away from me.
Again, I said it would not be a popular decision, but it would be good for the economy. I am not suggesting taking away your income, I am suggesting that perhaps its not unreasonable for someone to list some of their gold mats in zone chat or a trader to capture said income, again, I am suggesting the gold mat rewards be increased to compensate. Crafting writs are the number one reason we have rampant inflation on PC. It is simply too easy to print money out of thin air, and because there is so much gold coming in, it incentives people that have gold mats to hoard them.
I would also suggest that if they eliminate or at least reduce the gold currency reward, it is balanced differently on console. Its not nearly as much of an issue there. On PC, writs have destroyed our economy.
You are on PC, not console. We don’t have the so-called “inflation” that you have.
You cannot dictate what is good for my platform.
@katanagirl1
Read the last line of what I said in the post you quoted before calling me a dictator. It specifically stated it would need to be balanced differently on console. inflation is not nearly as much of an issue on console because its harder to spam writs on console. Addons are part of it, but they aint the only part. We load characters faster, our interface is faster. Everything is faster on PC. I did writs on multiple toons for over a year before I discovered Dolgubons. Only found out about it when I started raiding with the guy. Super cool dude BTW.katanagirl1 wrote: »You know, upon reflection, I have to add to this post.
It turns my stomach that players who probably do daily writs on 5385926 toons with add-ons suggest that everyone should get their gold nerfed. I only know one player, tmbrinks, who actually suggest that others could make gold by doing lots of writs the way he does. Not my cup of tea, but he isn’t calling for nerfs.
On PC, you guys have made your own problems, yet I bet no one does writs without an add-on.
I admit you said consoles should be treated differently but I bet you know as well as I do that ZOS would not do things different and nerf us both.
If you have more gold than you know what to do with, donate more to your guild or help out a new player in some way to pay it forward.
Summoning @tmbrinks . No arguments that he is the foremost authority on writs. We have actually discussed this before, but I will ask. Do you think reducing or eliminating gold currency rewards from crafting writs and buffing gold mats slightly to compensate would be good or bad for the economy/inflation, specifically on PC. Curious to know his definitive position on the issue.
Also, I hand out gold to Noobs all the time. I also tell anyone who will listen that writs are the best source of wealth in this game, and you are silly for not doing them on at least a few toons if you plan on being around for a while. In fact, in this thread, post 35, I said essentially just that. That doesnt negate the fact that the system is ripe for abuse and the biggest driver of inflation on PC.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on February 28, 2023 8:58PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »katanagirl1 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Some of us will never participate in the market in this game. I'm not going to be happy to have my reward gold from writs cut in half or removed. If that happens, in an apparent attempt to force participation in the crap guild seller setup in this game, I'll just find a different game to play.
To be frank, I don't think we should be balancing the game around people that don't participate in the economy.
And lets also be clear. If you don't participate in the markets, you don't need gold, unless you literally only buy things from NPC merchants, which is doubtful. You do participate in the markets, you just do it in a one sided manner. This is why we have rampant inflation, especially on PC.katanagirl1 wrote: »Some of us will never participate in the market in this game. I'm not going to be happy to have my reward gold from writs cut in half or removed. If that happens, in an apparent attempt to force participation in the crap guild seller setup in this game, I'll just find a different game to play.
I do participate in the game markets and do crafting writs on several toons and I’m not a new player. My main source of gold is the daily crafting writs since furnishing plan drop rates in the current zone (whichever it happens to be) is so astronomically low that I can’t get enough duplicates to sell.
Don’t take that income away from me.
Again, I said it would not be a popular decision, but it would be good for the economy. I am not suggesting taking away your income, I am suggesting that perhaps its not unreasonable for someone to list some of their gold mats in zone chat or a trader to capture said income, again, I am suggesting the gold mat rewards be increased to compensate. Crafting writs are the number one reason we have rampant inflation on PC. It is simply too easy to print money out of thin air, and because there is so much gold coming in, it incentives people that have gold mats to hoard them.
I would also suggest that if they eliminate or at least reduce the gold currency reward, it is balanced differently on console. Its not nearly as much of an issue there. On PC, writs have destroyed our economy.
You are on PC, not console. We don’t have the so-called “inflation” that you have.
You cannot dictate what is good for my platform.
@katanagirl1
Read the last line of what I said in the post you quoted before calling me a dictator. It specifically stated it would need to be balanced differently on console. inflation is not nearly as much of an issue on console because its harder to spam writs on console. Addons are part of it, but they aint the only part. We load characters faster, our interface is faster. Everything is faster on PC. I did writs on multiple toons for over a year before I discovered Dolgubons. Only found out about it when I started raiding with the guy. Super cool dude BTW.katanagirl1 wrote: »You know, upon reflection, I have to add to this post.
It turns my stomach that players who probably do daily writs on 5385926 toons with add-ons suggest that everyone should get their gold nerfed. I only know one player, tmbrinks, who actually suggest that others could make gold by doing lots of writs the way he does. Not my cup of tea, but he isn’t calling for nerfs.
On PC, you guys have made your own problems, yet I bet no one does writs without an add-on.
I admit you said consoles should be treated differently but I bet you know as well as I do that ZOS would not do things different and nerf us both.
If you have more gold than you know what to do with, donate more to your guild or help out a new player in some way to pay it forward.
Summoning @tmbrinks . No arguments that he is the foremost authority on writs. We have actually discussed this before, but I will ask. Do you think reducing or eliminating gold currency rewards from crafting writs and buffing gold mats slightly to compensate would be good or bad for the economy/inflation, specifically on PC. Curious to know his definitive position on the issue.
Also, I hand out gold to Noobs all the time. I also tell anyone who will listen that writs are the best source of wealth in this game, and you are silly for not doing them on at least a few toons if you plan on being around for a while. In fact, in this thread, post 35, I said essentially just that. That doesnt negate the fact that the system is ripe for abuse and the biggest driver of inflation on PC.
I have advocated for removing the gold reward completely... with or without a boost in the gold improvement materials drop. (I wouldn't mind if the gold reward was still there for tier 1 writs, as those are likely done more by newer players and thus they actually need the gold... and if it phased out to nothing at max tier). The value in writs is far more in the surveys/materials/master writs than in the little bit of gold that drops.
In terms of the economy, removing the gold reward from writs might actually require players to sell some of the materials that they get from those writs. Right now, so many just stockpile up the materials in their craft bag (which is of virtually infinite size) so they are not part of the economy. Those that are sold are only a small number of the total available (not to get too "real world" but the diamond economy works the same way... forced scarcity, even though diamonds are incredibly common). Adding in something that would make players open up their craft bag would increase supply, and bring down prices, while a "tight monetary policy", i.e. not just producing gold out of thin air, without adequate gold sinks, would bring prices down as well.
That said, I understand the economies of the different servers are completely different. And yes, while add-ons can make writs quicker.... pre-crafting and storing on your character for quick turn-ins works on all servers, and I've seen some PS5 players do that pre-crafting for 10 days in about the same time it takes me to do my writs on PC servers.Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger65,385 achievement points1 -
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✭✭Guys mmos universally require a little grinding. Once you level up your crafting it's like basically every other day you get a gold mat. They are also relatively cheap right now too. The effort required is minimal. They are leveling the field in a way that makes sense. Read the latest patch notes. The game as with every mmo requires players to spend time online to be financially successful. If they make everything less time consuming it really doesn't help them. I made it through vet dlc dungeons in purple gear without issue. It's not that big of a deal. Really. Gold weapons won't be the difference between success and failure in content- your skill will be.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Some of us will never participate in the market in this game. I'm not going to be happy to have my reward gold from writs cut in half or removed. If that happens, in an apparent attempt to force participation in the crap guild seller setup in this game, I'll just find a different game to play.
To be frank, I don't think we should be balancing the game around people that don't participate in the economy.
And lets also be clear. If you don't participate in the markets, you don't need gold, unless you literally only buy things from NPC merchants, which is doubtful. You do participate in the markets, you just do it in a one sided manner. This is why we have rampant inflation, especially on PC.katanagirl1 wrote: »Some of us will never participate in the market in this game. I'm not going to be happy to have my reward gold from writs cut in half or removed. If that happens, in an apparent attempt to force participation in the crap guild seller setup in this game, I'll just find a different game to play.
I do participate in the game markets and do crafting writs on several toons and I’m not a new player. My main source of gold is the daily crafting writs since furnishing plan drop rates in the current zone (whichever it happens to be) is so astronomically low that I can’t get enough duplicates to sell.
Don’t take that income away from me.
Again, I said it would not be a popular decision, but it would be good for the economy. I am not suggesting taking away your income, I am suggesting that perhaps its not unreasonable for someone to list some of their gold mats in zone chat or a trader to capture said income, again, I am suggesting the gold mat rewards be increased to compensate. Crafting writs are the number one reason we have rampant inflation on PC. It is simply too easy to print money out of thin air, and because there is so much gold coming in, it incentives people that have gold mats to hoard them.
I would also suggest that if they eliminate or at least reduce the gold currency reward, it is balanced differently on console. Its not nearly as much of an issue there. On PC, writs have destroyed our economy.
This idea would destroy the economy on console, and would not fix anything on PC. None of the things that the two platforms have in common are to blame. We know what the game looks like without add-ons and third party services. It looks like console, where they may even be a bit of deflation going on because money being removed is outpacing money gained.
You don't remove the biggest sources of income in an economy where sales have slowed and it's in danger of deflation (if it isn't already).
The devs do not balance the NPCs separately because the things driving pc inflation are all out of game things. Stuff like lazy writ, the crown exchange (and the real world prices associated with crowns being changed), that trader add-on, etc. PC players want the higher prices for the greater convenience so ZOS let's it be.Edited by spartaxoxo on February 28, 2023 10:47PM2 -
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✭✭✭Well it’s interesting to hear @tmbrinks ideas on this. I always see him advocating doing writs on as many toons as possible. I guess I did not realize he was thinking selling the gold mats as the main source of wealth.
On console though, gold mats do not cost nearly as much as on PC, so your idea would not compensate in the way you intend by removing the gold coin reward. I use those gold mats for PvP and for trials now and I do not sell them. I always assume that sometime in the future they will be nerfed and harder to get. Sets get nerfed all the time so the possibility of golding out more sets is always there. Since I do writs on only a few toons, versus the probably much higher number on PC, I do not have as many gold mats as someone on PC either.
@Oreyn_Bearclaw I wasn’t calling anyone a dictator, though that is another tense of the word “dictate”. If I were to dictate something it would not necessarily make me a dictator. Let me rephrase then, I do not think those on PC should make blanket statements about how things should be done on console if they are not familiar with the economy there.
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Iriidius✭✭✭✭Dont know why players immediately want to force other players to gold out their gear other to sell them their golden mats. Maybe it gives players a gole and lets them spend more time in game, but its not the most fun time and most players would still spent this time if upgrading a weapon from purple to gold gave only 39 and not 239 wpn dmg. The higher cost to gold out things is not a reason to make gold upgrade more important because the higher cost is what makes players hesitate to upgrade their gear to gold and in computer games it is normal that upgrading gear costs more and more for the same stat boost the higher you upgrade it. In Eso you get 42 wpn dmg for upgrading a white 2h sword/maul/axe to green/green to blue, 28 wpn dmg for upgrading blue 2h to purple and 239!!! for upgrading purple 2h weapon to gold. On Pc EU it costs maybe 2*10 gold to upgrade a metal weapon to green, 3*15 to upgrade to blue, 4*250 to upgrade to purple and 8*10000 to upgrade to gold.
The difference between purple and gold weapons is so big that you have to upgrade weapons to gold to test them before you even know if they are worth upgrading and using.
Players say they dont want gold gear nerfed to reduce gap to purple gear and even buffing purple gear would be an indirect nerf to gold gear.
How would buffing purple gear nerf gold gear users? Will purple weapon users now get carried by their purple weapons and overwhelm gold weapon users? Will gold weapon users have to destroy their golden weapons ad recraft them in purple? Gold weapons would still be better but purple weapons would at least be an option. Atm it seems like purple weapons exists only for new players that cant upgrade to gold yet and for weapons to drop so you have to upgrade them before using them.
Most competitive players gold out their full build althought armor and juwelry only give you 700 resistent and 48 weapon dmg.
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there is no better bang for your buck (its the most efficient possible use of your time). Considering you can do them while watching netflix, its just not that much of a chore.
I appreciate your sympathy, especially because you're right, so it's big of you to understand. It's my bed, I made it, now I shall lay in it. That's fair. Yes, in MMOs, it is fair to be expected to do some of everything.
But let's think about your last words, which I quoted, and how it corresponds to some of what I said.
Compared to dungeons/trials and PvP, why does something you can mindlessly do while watching TV pay so much better than anything else?
There's a problem here. Somewhere. Maybe it's in the gap between purple and gold weapons (a similar change was just made to the bloodthirsty trait on jewelry, in case anyone is thinking this idea is without precedent.) Or maybe the drop-rate should be increased so the price goes down. Or maybe doing writs while watching Netflix shouldn't make you as rich as it does.
This is kind of an interesting take, to me, because the perspective here seems to be that challenging activities should pay better than simple ones. That is something we see in real life (a brain surgeon makes a better salary than a newspaper deliver person, say) but at the end of the day, in real life we make money through jobs, generally. So while some people may find their work fun or fulfilling, it's all "work." But in an MMO, the "fun part" historically has been doing the more challenging content. That's the reward. And besides the enjoyment of being able to participate in the challenging content, often the reward of said content is gear so you can do the NEXT hard thing. But usually it costs money to participate in dungeons/trials/PvP.. they doesn't pay well, because that's the goal of the game. That's why we have to repair our gear, for instance. Instead, we make money doing tedious tasks, to fill the time in between the "rewarding" content so that when we can afford to be fully geared up for the trial/dungeon/PvP it's that much more satisfactory. That's why there are professions in MMOs. Yes, sure, some people enjoy fishing, or harvesting plants, or whatever, but those mindless activities are the "work" in games. They are what pay the best because usually it is the content you want to do the least, and the thing you'd like to spend the least time doing.
Which is why writs being profitable while watching Netflix makes perfect sense to me. It's like putting on music or daydreaming at a boring job. You're making the time go by until you get to go home or go out with your friends when your shift is over. If ESO had only writs and crafting very few people would buy it and people already playing would quit. But if ESO cut writs and crafting and gave everyone unlimited gold most people would still do dungeons/trials/PvP. They just would spend less time in those things, beating them faster and moving on to other games, because there is no 'work' (besides any practicing to increase skill) needed to participate in the "exciting" content.
At any rate, that's why I wouldn't be supportive of bolstering purple weapons. In my opinion, in a way, it would be a bit like turning the game into PTS. Yes, that's an exaggeration but hopefully I'm making a little sense.
It's not really lowering the ceiling or raising the floor; it's just removing some time sinks ("working") as a barrier to entry, which are not really about skill but stretching out time in game and building up anticipation. 2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Such a change would do little to narrow the game. I have known some with fully gold gear that did not do decent damage. But they had fun and were and are fun to play with.
There is a lot in play starting with the choice of gear/skills on the bar that play a much large role than the difference between a purple and gold weapon. Then there is the player skill level that plays the biggest role in a game that has a more involved combat design than other major titles such as WoW and FF14. BTW, I am not knocking either of those MMORPGs as I have played both.
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✭✭✭✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »If none of you even use purple weapons, why does it bother you if purple weapons are made better? And literally why are people claiming this is a nerf thread when I explicitly asked for buffs?
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The reason is quite simple. People go through time and effort and gold to improve their gear to gold quality to get improved stats. If anyone with purple weapons wants to improve the stats of their weapon they are able to improve the quality of the weapon just like we do.
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✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »"Well, for people like myself that are swimming in both gold currency and gold mats, now my easy supply of gold currency is turned off. "
and those new to the game, how do they go about making gold? Early in the game that bit of gold revenue really helps.
You sell the gold mats you get from doing writs. You don't need a trader to sell gold mats. List them in zone chat at a reasonable price and they will sell instantly.
Let's be honest, most brand new players aren't doing crafting writs. Its usually something you pick up after you have been playing a bit. Plenty of ways to make a bit of gold early on. I had a few mil in the bank before I ever touched a crafting writ.
Where crafting writs get exploited is when people start doing them on 12-18 toons every day. I know that because I did it for years. Its an absurd amount of currency that gets dumped into the economy. Its why inflation is so much more prevalent on PC than console, its way easier to do writs on PC and print money out of thin air. Want to cause inflation? Start printing money.
Yes and it's worth pointing out that while prices are fairly stable on the consoles *if* ZOS decides to do anything it will be across the board. So console will suffer even though inflation isn't much of a problem. And also when I was a new player the gold I got from doing those daily crafting writs was much needed. Now I have plenty of gold and materials. But for a long time I really needed that little extra bit of gold from writs.
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Add that we all know that ZoS solution to this is, nerf gold weapons down to 5-10% of purple.Such a change would do little to narrow the game. I have known some with fully gold gear that did not do decent damage. But they had fun and were and are fun to play with.
There is a lot in play starting with the choice of gear/skills on the bar that play a much large role than the difference between a purple and gold weapon. Then there is the player skill level that plays the biggest role in a game that has a more involved combat design than other major titles such as WoW and FF14. BTW, I am not knocking either of those MMORPGs as I have played both.
This on top of randomly nerfing stuff because of LOL while adding more gear for troll tanks.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
