Reduce the damage gap between purple and gold weapons

StarOfElyon

If you want to raise the floor, this will be one way to do it. Some of us broke mfs need to rock purple weapons sometimes. Increase the value of green, blue, and purple quality to close the gap with gold weapons.

vsrs_au

Wouldn't that destroy a big chunk of ESO's crafting industry ? There'd be no point crafting anything better than purple, and no point harvesting the required materials either.

StarOfElyon

vsrs_au wrote: »

Wouldn't that destroy a big chunk of ESO's crafting industry ? There'd be no point crafting anything better than purple, and no point harvesting the required materials either.

The min/max players will always go for gold. If the problem is that the rich will not be making as much gold because the casuals will buy less, I'm not really concerned.

axi

Why? Improving weapons is cheap. Staves and bows cost like 15-20k to gold out rest of the weapons around 70-80k. It's basically pennies compared to some other prices.

zaria

Great, another nerf idea.
Solutuion is obvious to nerf gold hard.

Enjoy dungeon runs.

ArchangelIsraphel

I dont see the need for this. It really isn't that hard to gold out your weapons if you do your crafting writs every day. Tempers and other materials drop from the rewards you get. That, and the game pretty much hands the mats for upgrading to you if you just gather and refine raw materials. Spec into meticulous deconstruction on the green CP tree to expedite this even further, it gives bonus drops for refinement.

StarOfElyon

I craft A LOT. I have a lot of characters and I try different set-ups often. I would like to be in less of a gimped place with purple weapons. If I really like my set-up, I'll gold the weapons out. But I don't see a problem with bringing the lower qualities up some. It's like, hey, I'm not going to make the top end any worse (so don't worry, you're not affected) but I'm going to bring the lower end up some. I don't see a problem with that.

SpacemanSpiff1

it doesnt take that long to get enough materials for weapons.

ArchangelIsraphel

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I craft A LOT. I have a lot of characters and I try different set-ups often. I would like to be in less of a gimped place with purple weapons. If I really like my set-up, I'll gold the weapons out. But I don't see a problem with bringing the lower qualities up some. It's like, hey, I'm not going to make the top end any worse (so don't worry, you're not affected) but I'm going to bring the lower end up some. I don't see a problem with that.

You seem to have a habbit of thinking people find this unnessicary because they'll be affected in some way. I'm not at whatever this "top end" is your referring to. I dont crunch numbers, and don't particularly give much thought to end game content unless I really want to play it with friends. Having a golded weapon isn't even a min/max thing, it's pretty average for most players, even those who don't seek endgame, to gold a weapon set at a certain point.

But I also don't find it hard to gold out a weapon whenever I want to, and I'm attempting to tell you how you can solve your own issue by running around gathering mats. Picking up things off the ground. Refining them. It's all you have to do. Golding out a weapon is not difficult if you're willing to put the effort in to do it. I don't see why dev time should be put into fixing a problem that already has a solution.

You don't have to hold yourself down when the materials are readily available to you.

Starlight_Knight

This is a terrible idea, gold mats for weps are easy to get, stop being a cheap skate.

the1andonlyskwex

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I craft A LOT. I have a lot of characters and I try different set-ups often. I would like to be in less of a gimped place with purple weapons. If I really like my set-up, I'll gold the weapons out. But I don't see a problem with bringing the lower qualities up some. It's like, hey, I'm not going to make the top end any worse (so don't worry, you're not affected) but I'm going to bring the lower end up some. I don't see a problem with that.

You seem to have a habbit of thinking people find this unnessicary because they'll be affected in some way. I'm not at whatever this "top end" is your referring to. I dont crunch numbers, and don't particularly give much thought to end game content unless I really want to play it with friends. Having a golded weapon isn't even a min/max thing, it's pretty average for most players, even those who don't seek endgame, to gold a weapon set at a certain point.

But I also don't find it hard to gold out a weapon whenever I want to, and I'm attempting to tell you how you can solve your own issue by running around gathering mats. Picking up things off the ground. Refining them. It's all you have to do. Golding out a weapon is not difficult if you're willing to put the effort in to do it. I don't see why dev time should be put into fixing a problem that already has a solution.

You don't have to hold yourself down when the materials are readily available to you.

Without ESO Plus, gathering mats and maintaining the supplies necessary to do writs takes up a lot of valuable (and limited) inventory space. Also, not everybody finds those activities fun or has so much gaming time that they can afford to spend it on non-fun activities. Even just buying mats with gold is a big deal/expense if you're not also selling things through the guild-restricted player-to-player trading system.

TechMaybeHic

I can remember having no gold, not that long ago really; but going back further to pre-writs. I would be able to gold out by grinding some ore and refining. It was tedious, but I've spent more time on some leads for mythics than 8 tempers.

Writs are already a nice way to accomplish this now. Even if you don't like it; there are lots of things people don't like to do but do anyway to get what they need.

freespirit

Funny thing, within my guilds, the general advice to newer players after they hit CP160 is gold their weapons, everything else is fine at purple until they hit the harder content.

After all weapons are the cheapest items to make gold and the extra damage is nice.😀

logan68

Please just play the game. All aspects of the game are accessible. There are multiple ways to approach most things you might want to do. Your best friend in all this is a decent merchant guild. Its all so easy. Just takes time.

Holycannoli

I have one gold weapon among all my characters. I use purple for everything lol. Could explain why I feel so gimped in PvP sometimes. Some of my jewelry is even blue because of how much a pain in the neck it is to get zircon.

I'm also leery of spending so much on a set or build that will probably change with the next update, because the devs love to keep screwing with combat balance.

SaffronCitrusflower

StarOfElyon wrote: »

If you want to raise the floor, this will be one way to do it. Some of us broke mfs need to rock purple weapons sometimes. Increase the value of green, blue, and purple quality to close the gap with gold weapons.

No thank you. There should be a significant difference in stats for each grade of weapons.

If anything they should increase the bonuses on gold jewelry by a significant chunk.

colossalvoids

It's not that big of a difference already to make gap even closer. There was a point for jewelry change due to cost and availability but it's not applicable here.

XSTRONG

StarOfElyon wrote: »

If you want to raise the floor, this will be one way to do it. Some of us broke mfs need to rock purple weapons sometimes. Increase the value of green, blue, and purple quality to close the gap with gold weapons.

Big NO!

If they do this they might as well get rid off all gold mats in the game.

If youre not a completly new player getting a weapon to gold isnt hard, buy mats or farm yourself.

No need to nerf!

david_m_18b16_ESO

Would just make the hard work feel useless IMO.

It is not like if you'd needed legendary weapons to do entry level contant.

By the time you need them you should have enough gold/mats to upgrade easely.

Especialy since upgrading a single jewelry cost 3-4 times the price of a weapon upgrade.

ghost_bg_ESO

craft on couple low lvl characters, collect surveys and refine mats on max lvl character with skill points in crafting, gold one set every month... from thing that are grind this goes lower on the list.

wolfie1.0.

The two most expensive gold improvement items are druegh wax and chromium plating, neither of which are weapon pieces.

If you enjoy theory crafting and messing around with lots of sets then I have some options for you that will save you gold.

1) theory craft in epic gear. If you can figure out how well you can do something in purple gear then you should be able to math your way to how well you will be able to do it in gold gear.

2) Do your theory crafting on the PTS. Yes I know this only works if you have a PC. But if you do the PTS templates have access to near infinite improvement items. Mess around over there it's what it's for.

3) you are probably going to hate this but.... farm. Do your dailies, dedicate some time to farming mats.

This is an MMO, and there needs to be a bit of a grind somewhere in the game that is targeted towards end game, with how cp works and its diminishing returns in how you both earn it and can apply it, all thats left really in the endgame is gear. Which really comes down to transmute stones and improvement items.

Also I would add that ZOS claims to clear all of the hm dungeons and trials in blue quality gear and claims that is the standard they use in play testing. So I would like to add that the purple and gold status of gear IS leveling the playing field as anyone can get their gear to gold if they want to do it.

Players just have to put in the time and effort, or being willing to save time by buying the mats. What do you value more? Your time or your gold? That's up to you.

StarOfElyon

If none of you even use purple weapons, why does it bother you if purple weapons are made better? And literally why are people claiming this is a nerf thread when I explicitly asked for buffs?

Four_Fingers

Low level players get huge stat buffs till they level up to compensate for not being rich or having crafting leveled up.
Buffing lower mats would make them op, and at high level the gold boost helps compensate for the stat buffs you loose at level 50.

VaranisArano

StarOfElyon wrote: »

If none of you even use purple weapons, why does it bother you if purple weapons are made better? And literally why are people claiming this is a nerf thread when I explicitly asked for buffs?

I don't care for the idea because it's just power creep for very little benefit which is mostly impacting players doing content where you don't need power creep, you need skill/experience.

Players doing overland quests with green/blue weapons don't need more power creep to elevate them. If they really need their floor raised, they'd be better served by learning about builds and rotations.

The "floor" of players in group dungeons are likewise going to benefit much more from learning how to properly perform their roles, not because their purple weapons get boosted closer to gold quality.


Maybe this is just my personal experience inbPVP and PVE here, but making the minor changes to gold quality or the right enchantments/potions never resulted in a big boost for me without having the whole package of experience and practice. Just trying to boost the floor via power creep isn't going to accomplish much of anything. Whereas practice and experience will benefit almost everyone no matter what quality their weapons are at.

The only people it would seriously benefit are the ones who don't want to engage in crafting or earning gold by other means to pay for improvement mats. And I'm not sure why ZOS would want to encourage people to not engage with that aspect of ESO.

VaranisArano

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Low level players get huge stat buffs till they level up to compensate for not being rich or having crafting leveled up.
Buffing lower mats would make them op, and at high level the gold boost helps compensate for the stat buffs you loose at level 50.

It's been a while since I last leveled up in Battlegrounds. I assume it's still a thing where you can bring purple crafted sets for a decent boost on a low level character?

Dr_Con

they're actually closing the gap for dps between green and gold for bloodthirsty, the damage is going to start around 200 instead of 90

Also, some trial perfected jewelry can be reconstructed as purple or gold, check your collections. It might not be for everyone but it is an option to work toward.

Four_Fingers

VaranisArano wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Low level players get huge stat buffs till they level up to compensate for not being rich or having crafting leveled up.
Buffing lower mats would make them op, and at high level the gold boost helps compensate for the stat buffs you loose at level 50.

It's been a while since I last leveled up in Battlegrounds. I assume it's still a thing where you can bring purple crafted sets for a decent boost on a low level character?

Yep you can still have crafted or your crafting alt can make a purple or gold set for your low level pvp character.
Done all the time in under 50 campaign as well.

chessalavakia_ESO

It's actually kind of interesting how the weapon stats are set up.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Bows

You start off with a 143 point gap between gold and white gear which remains until level 50.

As a result someone in white gear has just under 55% of the stat of someone with a gold weapon to start with coming from the weapon.

The % gap decreases until level 50 where you halt at just under 85% of the golds damage with white gear.

Then, when you go in to CP levels you start with a 131 point gap till CP 140.

At CP 150, the gap increases to 210 and at CP 160 it further increases to 298.

If you look at heavy armor you won't see this style of funny business.

For heavy armor you start with a 336 point gap till 50 then you have a 308 point gap all the way up with CP.

I'd suggest the gap's existence is deliberate with the intent to make people grind to upgrade to gold at the end for weapons.

LittlePinkDot

StarOfElyon wrote: »

If you want to raise the floor, this will be one way to do it. Some of us broke mfs need to rock purple weapons sometimes. Increase the value of green, blue, and purple quality to close the gap with gold weapons.

I have a better idea. Make gold mats easier to get.

Rowjoh

The difference between purple and gold to a build is miniscule, so the gap should be increased not decreased!

It costs next to nothing to upgrade to purple but a small fortune to go golden, (especially jewellery) and the big price gap isn't reflective of the small improvement gap at all.

Tandor

StarOfElyon wrote: »

If none of you even use purple weapons, why does it bother you if purple weapons are made better? And literally why are people claiming this is a nerf thread when I explicitly asked for buffs?

Because it's effectively nerfing gold gear.