And another block bug...

NextTuesday

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you please answer some questions so we can do away with the angry speculation? At the very least you can explain to us why we have to wait so long and whether it's a choice. You'll lose fewer players, maybe. I don't think any of you understand how bad this has all been for the game. You're killing it and we don't care about bland guar pets. We want a game we can play and a dev team who can communicate, or our money back.

finehair

fix when?

it happens at first add group of vet dread cellar dungeon if it helps.

tomofhyrule

finehair wrote: »

fix when?

it happens at first add group of vet dread cellar dungeon if it helps.

From earlier in this exact thread: Fix likely on the 19th

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone,

While we can confirm we have fixed the original issue with block, we identified the cause of this new blocking issue that went live with yesterday’s incremental patch. This issue most commonly occurs when attempting to swap weapons while weapons are being drawn or sheathed, preventing you from blocking again until zoning or relogging.

We are working on a fix now and want to take some time to thoroughly test over the next couple days to ensure things are stable; unfortunately, the fix for this issue does require another new client build and is not something we are able to hotfix. It will also be present after the console incremental patch on Wednesday.

We understand how frustrating this is for everyone, including us. We’ll let you know as soon as possible when to expect the fix but expect it to be on or around December 19.

It's not linked to a specific area, instance, or pull. The bug is linked to barswapping, so any time your character is interrupted in a barswap animation (by getting knocked back, casting an ability, attacking, sheathing weapons, mounting, etc.) you have a chance that the game considers you still 'mid bar-swap' and unable to block. PC does have the option of an addon that disables barswaps while attacking which may help, but otherwise the best option is to just try blocking before each pull and make sure you can. Also it affects some people more than other since some classes or bar layouts rely a lot more on barswaps than others.

I'm hoping that the next patch is the real version of the fix, because having gone over a month without my block working properly has been really rough as a tank, and I'm usually a lot less negative toward ZOS than a lot of the people on this forum. And considering this is the holiday season, if it's not fixed on the 19th, I don't expect we'll see the next patch after that until around the 9th of January.

Dr_Con

Can confirm that this bug exists after reviving from a self-initiated rez on vHOF. Me and several other players were getting it last night, as Tom said the obvious already the smart thing to do is a block check before each pull. This results in a lot of lost time (2 minutes to zone out + run back to trial x12 people = 24 minutes of life lost per pull, multiply this by each instance of a block bug occurring in a trial and you get a lot of frustrated and upset individuals)

Skoomah

The turn around time to fix block, which is a fundamental mechanic on this game, is absolutely abysmal. ESO rakes in millions of dollars each month. Please set aside the appropriate resources to QC your game before you release updates with game breaking bugs.

This is a deal breaker bug ZOS. You can not let this bug be forgotten. This is a bug that must be fixed.

React

I just want to point out... They reintroduced both combat bugs that got fixed in u36, as well as the perma-disabled block bug, when they tried to fix the new block bug. I am now constantly getting stuck in heavy attacks in PVP again, and bashes are once again clearing inputs.

I don't know how anyone can defend them at this point. Firesong has been a landmark failure in every way for zenimax, and they haven't indicated that they're going to actually do better.

It is very, very sad to see the game going down this path right now when 6 months ago we were under the impression that zenimax was genuinely trying to do better.

dredgemundo

I used to have #1 leaderboard score for sorc on vVH for several patches. Now I can't finish a run without this bug kicking in at some point in the arena (which basically kills the leaderboard run).

Jabbs_Giggity

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno any news on a hot fix??

We're still trying to pinpoint what exactly is going on. Given this is supposedly only happening in certain instances and there's no known way to reproduce it, it's been tricky to figure out. We've been investigating all morning though and will continue to do so. In the meantime, if anyone is in-game on PC and runs into this issue, please stay put and let us know.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Gina, this is an every day occurrence in all PVP campaign zones 24/7 Xbox NA. Block does not work at all after two minutes into campaign.

This needs to be fixed. The fact it has gone on this long is atrocious.

Cannot Block basic damage. Cannot block pulls. Cannot block VDs, cannot block CCs, cannot block cancel skills. Etc.

jecks33

Today is the day?

KilianDermoth

Hmm, then I hope I can Roll Dodge tomorrow.

G0K4R

Recent patch notes:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/624171/pc-mac-patch-notes-v8-2-8

"Rolled back some code that was preventing you from blocking, most commonly occurring when attempting to swap weapons while weapons were being drawn or sheathed. This change will bring Block back into the state it was in prior to Update 36 launching."

Hopefully its just me but I still get the block bug when doing a light attack followed by a bar swap after weapons were sheathed...

ZaiZah

You can indeed still get the bug when light attacking from sheath and bar swapping.
But i'm sure their fix is applied during bar swaps as swapping bars after the bug happens seems to fix itself

G0K4R

Can confirm this, switching bars after getting the block bug now fixes it again.

(Did not do lots of testing tho')

rpa

Mount, la+bar swap disables block and another bar swap fixes it. Will it get properly fixed next year?

RupertVandy

rpa wrote: »

Mount, la+bar swap disables block and another bar swap fixes it. Will it get properly fixed next year?

2 more weeks so it can be properly tested this time. Super cereal guys.

TechMaybeHic

Was that how it was broken before the patch 2 weeks ago? Seemed it was dodge roll broke block then and now it's light attack weapon swap but fixed by weapon swap?

TechMaybeHic

RupertVandy wrote: »

rpa wrote: »

Mount, la+bar swap disables block and another bar swap fixes it. Will it get properly fixed next year?

2 more weeks so it can be properly tested this time. Super cereal guys.

Lol the same way they said they had a fix and needed time to test, when it only was a rollback

Jaimeh

rpa wrote: »

Mount, la+bar swap disables block and another bar swap fixes it. Will it get properly fixed next year?

Pinging @ZOS_Kevin and @ZOS_GinaBruno so they can pass on to the team the info that this combo breaks block again.

G0K4R

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Was that how it was broken before the patch 2 weeks ago? Seemed it was dodge roll broke block then and now it's light attack weapon swap but fixed by weapon swap?

Didn't test it properly (but maybe more than ZOS xD) but thankfully roll dodge seems to NOT break block atm

Jaimeh

G0K4R wrote: »

Hopefully its just me but I still get the block bug when doing a light attack followed by a bar swap after weapons were sheathed...

It's not just you, there's already another thread about it, and some guildies have reported replicating the bug, so it's still not fixed... There are no words for this mess...

jecks33

So.... Block is still bugged in some way??

rpa

TooWeak2Live wrote: »

It gets even weirder. If I do the sheathe->light->swap twice in a row (so on different bars), then I have to weapon swap twice to clear it. I did a longer sequence and had to weapon swap NINE TIMES to get block working again.

FYI: from the thread at General. I could not replicate that myself.
I could replicate it.
Do the (sheathe la+swap) sequence N times and you have to bar swap N times to fix it.

FantasticFreddie

No response to any of the concerns, just locked the other threads and redirected everyone here....

Sigh.

React

Since the other thread from today was closed just now..

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

The block bug from the most recent live patch is still present. Is zenimax aware of this? Is there a further timeline for fixing this?

Maythor

Now they'll claim the excuse of having to wait until after the holidays!

So probably nearing the end of January before the next attempt at fixing this I presume?

Wolfshade

G0K4R wrote: »

Can confirm this, switching bars after getting the block bug now fixes it again.

I can confirm this. It took me 5 minutes to test it to find that the block still gets broken. Should this now be the fix, that swapping the bars will make you block again? In my opinion a bug is fixed when it didnt occurs anymore and make block possible after swapping is a kind of messy workaround while nothing is still fixxed.

FantasticFreddie

Well all my raid teams are on a 2 week break for the holidays. I'm assuming we won't get a fix any sooner than 2 weeks out, although considering how long it's taken to not fix it so far, I don't have high hopes.

danthemann5

A basic game function has been broken for 6+ weeks now. Each iteration of a "fix" breaks it in new and different ways.

Why is this allowed to continue?

When can we expect an actual fix?

When will some sort of change in process or procedure be implemented to prevent this from happening again?

Should we expect more of this sort of issue and response going forward? Is this the new normal?

What does this say about ZOS's commitment to ESO?

What does it say about Microsoft?

Maythor

It's tough luck in content to have to bar swap to fix this issue when people have big issues with the bar swap functioning without a hiccup in the game. (ref: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/discussion/623974/bar-swap-freezing-framing-is-back )

As someone starting to learn to tank at this time it's frustrating to try and learn to do the job with 11 other people watching you and not always knowing if it is your inexperience or a game bug that keeps making you force people to be stuck on a single boss.

This does not help retain people in raid groups or even encourrage people to come back and raid regularly.

ZOS_Kevin

@React We are aware of the issue and investigating. Trying to get a bit more info before following up.