Oakensoul isn't getting nerfed

joseayalac

Many people think that because Oakensoul has so many buffs "loaded" into a single piece of gear, that it's completely unbalanced and it will get nerfed soon.

I didn't make this post to discuss particular gameplay aspects of the ring, like, for example, that Oakensoul builds don't have to spend time and resources buffing themselves, that has already been explored elsewhere.

What I want to bring to light is the fact that the ring is raising the "perfomance" floor for a lot of players, but hardly the ceiling. Two bar builds will continue to be the maximized way to play. I know it has been said before, but a lot of people are still asking for nerfs as if the ring was "broken".

The Oakensoul isn't going to break anything because it's not a top performer compared to other setups. It's still gonna take skill and awareness to perform good with it in PvP. It isn't going to beat any good 2 bar dueling builds either.

TechMaybeHic

Im sure a lot of the top PvPers are using it because it doesn't raise the ceiling at all.

Cadbury

High Isle hasn't been released on console yet, so I'd wait at least a few weeks after that to declare it "safe" or "nerf proof"

joseayalac

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Im sure a lot of the top PvPers are using it because it doesn't raise the ceiling at all.

They're using it because One-Bar builds make for popular content right now and also because they're testing it. I've seen some footage of it performing very well in low-MMR battlegrounds and such.

Heck, it's even decent in high-MMR battlegrounds but far from broken or the strongest thing there is right now.

SkaraMinoc

joseayalac wrote: »

Heck, it's even decent in high-MMR battlegrounds but far from broken or the strongest thing there is right now.

16k perma Corrosive whips would like to have a word with you.

joseayalac

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

16k perma Corrosive whips would like to have a word with you.

There's a lot of misinformation about it too, in reality it's more like 20-30% uptime, definitely not "perma".

I encourage you to test it for yourself or watch some footage of an Oakenknight. Still not the strongest DK build out there.

doesurmindglow

This post is gonna be amazing when that Q4 DLC needs to be marketed and sold.

TechMaybeHic

Yeah nothing to see here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9H6FkL6ilE

carlos424

joseayalac wrote: »

Many people think that because Oakensoul has so many buffs "loaded" into a single piece of gear, that it's completely unbalanced and it will get nerfed soon.

I didn't make this post to discuss particular gameplay aspects of the ring, like, for example, that Oakensoul builds don't have to spend time and resources buffing themselves, that has already been explored elsewhere.

What I want to bring to light is the fact that the ring is raising the "perfomance" floor for a lot of players, but hardly the ceiling. Two bar builds will continue to be the maximized way to play. I know it has been said before, but a lot of people are still asking for nerfs as if the ring was "broken".

The Oakensoul isn't going to break anything because it's not a top performer compared to other setups. It's still gonna take skill and awareness to perform good with it in PvP. It isn't going to beat any good 2 bar dueling builds either.

It’s 100% going to be nerfed, due to being over powered in pvp. Every pvp streamer is salty about it. Lol. But you are right, that in pve it raises the floor for more casual and solo players, and is not really that good in group content. The real question is how will zos handle it? Since they cannot/refuse to balance pvp and pve separately, I expect to see it nerfed into uselessness, as history has shown us. At the very least, I would expect to see major berserk get cut, and probably major courage and heroism won’t be far behind.

edit: Actually, I’m going to say they leave major courage, but get rid of major berserk and heroism.

joseayalac

In that video we can see the "perma-corrosive" myth debunked. Also what I see is a floor being raised, definitely not a ceiling considering those weren't high-MMR matches and he didn't appear over powered at all. Considering he is a skilled player ofc.

@carlos424 they're salty because 1vX won't be as easy anymore with all those floors raised. I'm still yet to hear a streamer say that a one bar build is definitely stronger than a two bar option, except for Werewolves ofc.

TechMaybeHic

joseayalac wrote: »

In that video we can see the "perma-corrosive" myth debunked. Also what I see is a floor being raised, definitely not a ceiling considering those weren't high-MMR matches and he didn't appear over powered at all. Considering he is a skilled player ofc.

@carlos424 they're salty because 1vX won't be as easy anymore with all those floors raised. I'm still yet to hear a streamer say that a one bar build is definitely stronger than a two bar option, except for Werewolves ofc.

He is not running any armor...

joseayalac

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

He is not running any armor...

I saw the video, as I said, it raises the floor, like when they introduced a base crit resistance. You're stronger than naked now ofc.

Ask 1sth3r3no13ls3 if he thinks that's the strongest DK build out there. I find it very hard to believe that that build is stronger than a two bar DK. Considering I participate in his Discord and all.

Karivaa

We haven’t even tried it yet on Xbox.

carly

I spent days getting it on my own and as a solo player that is elderly and has limited mobility - this is a useful item for me. I hope they don't nerf it but posts like this one usually result in more posts about nerfing and then when said items do get nerfed, it results in new posts saying 'why did you nerf this'.

wolfie1.0.

It's already been nerfed.

Androrix

I don't play PvP and I play a single bar. You would think I would love Oakensoul, but I don't. Instead, the ring has sucked the joy out of trying to craft a build because it seems to render so many skills and armor buffs obsolete.

SydneyGrey

If something is effective and works, ZOS will nerf it. It's inevitable.

Thecompton73

Is there a forum category for "wishful thinking"? If so we need a mderator to move this discussion there.

Finedaible

doesurmindglow wrote: »

This post is gonna be amazing when that Q4 DLC needs to be marketed and sold.

This right here. None of the perceived 'op' mythics has stood the test of time and marketing. Chumps are gonna be disappointed once it gets nerfed like Malacath's Band and Harpooner's Wading Kilt before it.

PrimusTiberius

not yet anyway

Jaraal

I would guess that Oakensoul is currently their #1 DLC seller (including Murkmire).

It’s not going to be nerfed any time soon.

Wolfpaw

Tired of the release nerf, let it stay.

kieso

The problem with the ring is that for much, much less effort you can almost do as well as a two bar setup.

xgoku1

Yeah I don't agree. There's historical precedent of ZOS adding early bird bonus OP sets/mythics so people get FOMO and buy the content, then nerf it once sales plateau

IMO It has nothing to do with the actual set itself, it's just that they slightly nerf old stuff so the new stuff looks more attractive

Tannus15

xgoku1 wrote: »

Yeah I don't agree. There's historical precedent of ZOS adding early bird bonus OP sets/mythics so people get FOMO and buy the content, then nerf it once sales plateau

IMO It has nothing to do with the actual set itself, it's just that they slightly nerf old stuff so the new stuff looks more attractive

personally i think they err on the side of too strong and then balance it later if it's an issue.
for instance death dealers fete is good and i know a bunch of people who have been using it, but there are no nerfs in it's history. kilt was slightly over performing when you take into account the CP crit damage nerfs and so took a slight nerf to bring it back in line.

Personally i'm not expecting any nerfs to oakensoul. Maybe major heroism to minor heroism but that's about it.

Androrix

kieso wrote: »

The problem with the ring is that for much, much less effort you can almost do as well as a two bar setup.

Very true. I play one bar and feel sorry for people who have labored to create their builds, perhaps for years. I see messages from people saying they can beat the single bar oakensoul build with two bars, but why bother with that hassle for the difference.

Worse yet for me though is all the armor and skill buffs that seem pointless now. All those useless early game armor sets just got some new additions. As for skills...just take a warden animal summoner's betty netch and bird or prey. What is the point? The skill trees seem really messed up now.

brylars

So when is using something like this best since you can't swap between front and back bar while wearing it?

grapedog

Androrix wrote: »

Very true. I play one bar and feel sorry for people who have labored to create their builds, perhaps for years. I see messages from people saying they can beat the single bar oakensoul build with two bars, but why bother with that hassle for the difference.

You shouldn't feel sorry for others...

1. There are people that love creating new optimal builds. That will never stop. There were also tons of 1 bar builds out before oakensoul.

2. Oakensoul will never top the charts or be the best. Which is fine, it shouldn't... it raises the floor. Plenty of people like you who find 2 bar builds a hassle will enjoy oakensoul and can do well. Those who want to maximize can do that. Those who enjoy two bars will still be able to do that and perform at a higher level than you ever could with oakensoul, which is how it should be.

Tldr: even if you find 2 bars a hassle, others may not. I find doing crafting writs on 6 characters a mind numbing, boring, life draining, exercise in terrible gameplay... but some people like doing it on 18 characters or with multiple accounts, or both. To each their own...

BahometZ

Like just about every build, it's how well the player can execute it that is more key than any other component. Those one bar builds are cute, simple and effective enough, but a good player will make anything effective. (Although it's hard to put stock in any PvP build vids when most of the gameplay is them punking PvEers and low CP players.)

All the hubbub over the ring is just driving clicks, all the content creators are happy to ride the wave of "broken" mythics, and ZOS are happy for the discussion about their product. We have seen this all before with thrassian, pale order, kilt, malacath. Next expansion the oaken ring will be adjusted and a new mythic will "break the game".

Xinihp

Finedaible wrote: »

...gonna be [...] nerfed like Malacath's Band and Harpooner's Wading Kilt before it.

This is pretty much why I don't even bother farming mythic leads anymore. If I get the lead organically I'll scry it, otherwise I just don't care anymore. If it is only good for a month or two before the inevitable cycle of 1) vocal minority whines on social media like it's the end of the world for upvotes and 2) unique item gets nerfed to mediocre just like everything else, then honestly what is even the point spending the time? Maybe it will be different this time but phase 1 of the cycle is already in full effect.

carlos424 wrote: »

Every pvp streamer is salty about it. Lol.

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EdmondDontes

They will nerf oakensoul at some point. Even if it's not until next year so they can push a new mythic item that's even better to boost sales of next years chapter. This is their business model and how it's played out for years now. [snip]

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