How many people actually cheat?

MentalxHammer

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Only cheating I see is macroing. Lots of people macroing block onto any ability that can be cast while blocking. Pretty obvious when you see someone inside a safe keep constantly flashing block on and off while buffing. No reason to randomly keep blocking when there is no one around to even attack you.

There are less people using macros than you think. I have over 8k hours as a strict PvP player, I automatically block cancel every skill just as a subconscious habit.

I get accused of cheating in this game at least once per week.

ESO has unique mechanics that allow for an extremely high skill cap in PvP. This is also what makes the combat so fun and exciting. I have spent countless hours mastering every aspect of these mechanics and how to harness them to their fullest potential. It is extremely disheartening how the community has brainwashed each other into believing that any player that has mastered animation cancelling is a cheater. The frequency of how often I get called a cheater really invalidates all the hard work I’ve put into mastering this game, and starts to take a toll on my enjoyment.

I’m not saying cheating doesn’t happen at all considering ZOS just did a wave of bans. But I understand this game on an extremely deep level, and in 8k+ hours I’ve never ran into someone I had identified to be operating outside the possibilities of the game.

1vx is possible without cheats, don’t be so quick to assume we are. No one’s using any hacked gear that gives infinite anything, but you won’t find my build on YouTube

Larcomar

Sooo.... just so I understand, post the ZOS bans for "cheating," we're now maintaining that, ok, cheating obviously can happen, but it's sooo rare that in thousands upon thousands of hours played, you've never seen it... I guess the "several hundred ESO accounts" that got banned for "cheating" aka "manipulating the game client in unintended ways" must all be playing on another server far far away....

I sort of get it - I can understand that people feel cheating invalidates the hard work they've put into learning the game - but that's just life. There's always going to be someone who takes shortcuts, or doesn't play fair and gets away with it. You need to get over that; as long as you know you won fair and square it shouldn't matter what other people think or say. And I don't think anyone in this thread has said that they don't think there are genuinely skilled players out there. But come on. Who's brainwashing who here? There's a little bit of a whiff of gaslighting to this whole thread.

maxjapank

https://www.twitch.tv/mightymumble/clip/GoldenSparklingWoodpeckerDAESuppy-5PKyaxcoRY9kzIJs

ThePedge

Next to none.

Haven't seen anyone noclip or speedhack in years.
A few people probably macro light attacks or bash in PvP but makes next to no difference as you can do it yourself just as well if not better.
Knew of one person who macro'd synergies in PvE but he quit.

techyeshic

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

baselesschart wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

I have busted people doing it and have used my 5 minute record, posted it on youtube (privately) and sent the link in with my ticket. Guess how many views it got? ZERO.

So while it is easy to bust and record and report....doesn't do much good if they don't even look at the video.

I have played the game since launch and I honestly have never personally seen a cheater. I've watched youtube videos of people flying around but no doubt in my mind those people got banned quick. Obviously with the scarcity of cheaters, one could conclude that there must be a pretty big deterrent to cheating. And I don't consider exploits necessarily cheating, even though I don't condone those. I'm mainly referring to outside software being used to gain unfair advantages, which I have not seen personally in my years of playing.

Do some searches and you will find forums where people are talking about using them...it's real.

Exactly right, the dude that creates the speeder hack has now also ruined New World PVP like he ruined ESO. Question if someone can move a max speed without using any speed enhancing gear, enchant, race and also do it without having to sprint (meaning no stam lost) is that OK or cheating?

If someone uses a hack to remove the delay in between attacks and/or cancel animation so they can do more attacks per second than anyone else, is that cheating, I know in ESO this is accepted as light attack animation canceling but when it is automated with a macro is it cheating (BTW in New World these dudes are doing like 2-3 light attacks for every 1 attack, wonder who will win that duel)?

As someone said above people using macros to either block/cast using one button click, and/or doing a perfect LA AC while pushing each skill is RAMPANT and simple to do, don't even need to buy cheat engine. I tested on a simple programmable controller and was able to do it, although with my LAG, it is totally inconsistent, but these dudes with high end systems and super connection and best programmable keypad/mice this is trivial to do.

But this isn't cheating and no one ever saw anyone do any of this stuff, either the people saying that don't play often, don't know what to look for or are the ones doing the cheating so are trying to derail the topic.

These dudes cheat so much they actually have a secondary term for it called exploiting. Notice how they say 'well that isn't exactly cheating but I'd call it exploiting' as if it isn't the exact same result. I don't play eso any more or watch any vids for about 2 months because I'm over it, BTW I wasted about 6 months watching streamers every day. And I can tell you they all cheat like crazy, whether it be using totally broken sets, for instance, no one ever used undertaker then it had a bug and all of a sudden all these 'good' players were running it.

Also if you watch several different streamers you will notice other little tricks, saw a guy in IC and he was trying to 1vX about 10 dudes, he started to get overwhelmed then ran into a cage, guess what he too NO DAMAGE but could hit them from inside, WHAT. Also say another dude in Cyro by a bridge, had 5 guys about to kill him, then ducked into a little corner, where he healed up without anyone able to hit him at all. There are glitch areas all over the place like this and these dudes know exactly where they are, is that 'good' player or exploit/cheat.

I've seen several people who run top speed (lose no stam cause not in sprint), have 8K weapon damage, 35K health, using ALL damage sets, 3-4 procs, can take almost no damage but even when they do, go from 5K to 35K in 1-2 seconds. But at the same time when they try to 'solo' BGs/IC/Cyro they get completely stomped over and over but with a pocket healer in group BG/IC/Cyro they kill almost everyone.

All this cheating creates a vicious cycle
1. first people find a cheat, but say it doesn't exist (I'm just so good I can run at max speed at all times or do LA or block and skill each second)(BTW of course I do a perfectly timed block in the middle of nowhere or surround by teammates every time I cast a buff, or LA AC/skill, it's muscle memory dude don't you get it)
2. when they can't lie any more they downplay it, no it's just an exploit (ESO would fix it if it were that bad, to be fair sometimes they do fix/remove bug/exploits)
3. then it becomes rampant, Yeah it's bad, yeah it's a probably a cheat but if I want to be competitive I have to do it too
4. eventually so many people use it, it becomes part of the game

These games are supposed to be fun but toxic folks aren't in it for fun. I actually find it fun to point out FakeNews like many people spread on forums otherwise I wouldn't waste my time. I know most people don't care or will flame me. But my advice is if any game isn't fun find something else to do, and don't take this stuff too seriously.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/593096/recent-game-account-bans-and-suspensions-for-game-client-manipulation#latest

I'll just leave this quote from article, """We recently identified and either banned or suspended several hundred ESO accounts for Terms of Service violations related to cheating. Specifically, manipulating the game client in unintended ways."""

I generally don't buy cheating as much as its reported; but I do submit videos of questionable stuff and leave it up to ZOS to figure out what it is. Sometimes; I am not convinced myself but they can see things I can't

Yeah, I actually wish it wasn't true too but unfortunately the cheating has been widespread for a long time. As has been described in this thread many, many kinds of cheating are very hard to prove, especially when it is happening to you in a fast paced PVP encounter. But I was examining vids and streamers and that is why I was confident about it, cuz having 7000-8K w/sdmg while at the same time moving at max speed all the time should not be possible yet it was happening all over the place. Hopefully ZOS takes a very close look at all the accounts who were adamantly denying that cheating is even real.

I don't think I have seen anything like that to report as far as stats as how you said. I'd never know. But the description you have is possible by legit means. They give so much base weapon and spell damage these days of CP 2.0. A lot of people can sustain very well mixing in heavy and medium attacks.

Generally what i have seen and reported have been people purposely going inside walls/floors and freely coming out (because getting stuck in a wall without being able to come out is fairly common.) Then I've seen people fly. That's more rare but I have also been in heavy lag where a guildy next to me just started being lifted out of a tower and heard them on Discord going "WTF WTF!" As they lift in the air like Marry Poppins are then carried all the way to the next keep over. I have a clip of myself running toward a gatehouse then I see a leap animation on me to them appear to be picked up by my foot and carried into the courtyard then laid down at the feet of a bunch of enemy players. Game has it's quirks

Other than that; Its stuff like noticing players changing costumes while in combat which was causing issues to where ZOS disabled that ability. As recent as Monday night; I saw something similar and I don't know if it does anything but I reported it so they can look at it and be aware. I can't see any reason why else someone would do it, but it's not really for me to judge entirely.

atherusmora

Larcomar wrote: »

Sooo.... just so I understand, post the ZOS bans for "cheating," we're now maintaining that, ok, cheating obviously can happen, but it's sooo rare that in thousands upon thousands of hours played, you've never seen it... I guess the "several hundred ESO accounts" that got banned for "cheating" aka "manipulating the game client in unintended ways" must all be playing on another server far far away....

I sort of get it - I can understand that people feel cheating invalidates the hard work they've put into learning the game - but that's just life. There's always going to be someone who takes shortcuts, or doesn't play fair and gets away with it. You need to get over that; as long as you know you won fair and square it shouldn't matter what other people think or say. And I don't think anyone in this thread has said that they don't think there are genuinely skilled players out there. But come on. Who's brainwashing who here? There's a little bit of a whiff of gaslighting to this whole thread.

Could not agree more. I did try to though lol. Even with ZOS confirming rampant cheating there are still people in this thread denying it’s happening, and doing so with conviction!

MentalxHammer

Larcomar wrote: »

Sooo.... just so I understand, post the ZOS bans for "cheating," we're now maintaining that, ok, cheating obviously can happen, but it's sooo rare that in thousands upon thousands of hours played, you've never seen it... I guess the "several hundred ESO accounts" that got banned for "cheating" aka "manipulating the game client in unintended ways" must all be playing on another server far far away....

I sort of get it - I can understand that people feel cheating invalidates the hard work they've put into learning the game - but that's just life. There's always going to be someone who takes shortcuts, or doesn't play fair and gets away with it. You need to get over that; as long as you know you won fair and square it shouldn't matter what other people think or say. And I don't think anyone in this thread has said that they don't think there are genuinely skilled players out there. But come on. Who's brainwashing who here? There's a little bit of a whiff of gaslighting to this whole thread.

You misinterpreted my post, I don’t think players cheating is an issue, because I believe very few players are cheating. The bigger issue is players losing a fight, accusing me of being a cheater and blocking me. The issue is everyone is crying wolf as a rational for why they aren’t performing in the game.

Larcomar

MentalxHammer wrote: »

You misinterpreted my post, I don’t think players cheating is an issue, because I believe very few players are cheating. The bigger issue is players losing a fight, accusing me of being a cheater and blocking me. The issue is everyone is crying wolf as a rational for why they aren’t performing in the game.

And I think you might have misread mine ;-) Ever so slightly. But it's really not a biggie. Look, people can believe what they want, if it makes them feel better, great. It's a game after all.

GetAgrippa

Vevvev wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/593096/recent-game-account-bans-and-suspensions-for-game-client-manipulation

Ok.... I have been convinced otherwise. Hopefully ZOS plugs up whatever it is these people did to allow them to do what they did.

Is this a PC thing or is this possible on console as well?

And I guess we now know the answer is at least "several hundred," accounts at least. Is it also possible that at least some of these accounts were bot farming, rather than cheating in pvp?

Merforum

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

baselesschart wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

I have busted people doing it and have used my 5 minute record, posted it on youtube (privately) and sent the link in with my ticket. Guess how many views it got? ZERO.

So while it is easy to bust and record and report....doesn't do much good if they don't even look at the video.

I have played the game since launch and I honestly have never personally seen a cheater. I've watched youtube videos of people flying around but no doubt in my mind those people got banned quick. Obviously with the scarcity of cheaters, one could conclude that there must be a pretty big deterrent to cheating. And I don't consider exploits necessarily cheating, even though I don't condone those. I'm mainly referring to outside software being used to gain unfair advantages, which I have not seen personally in my years of playing.

Do some searches and you will find forums where people are talking about using them...it's real.

Exactly right, the dude that creates the speeder hack has now also ruined New World PVP like he ruined ESO. Question if someone can move a max speed without using any speed enhancing gear, enchant, race and also do it without having to sprint (meaning no stam lost) is that OK or cheating?

If someone uses a hack to remove the delay in between attacks and/or cancel animation so they can do more attacks per second than anyone else, is that cheating, I know in ESO this is accepted as light attack animation canceling but when it is automated with a macro is it cheating (BTW in New World these dudes are doing like 2-3 light attacks for every 1 attack, wonder who will win that duel)?

As someone said above people using macros to either block/cast using one button click, and/or doing a perfect LA AC while pushing each skill is RAMPANT and simple to do, don't even need to buy cheat engine. I tested on a simple programmable controller and was able to do it, although with my LAG, it is totally inconsistent, but these dudes with high end systems and super connection and best programmable keypad/mice this is trivial to do.

But this isn't cheating and no one ever saw anyone do any of this stuff, either the people saying that don't play often, don't know what to look for or are the ones doing the cheating so are trying to derail the topic.

These dudes cheat so much they actually have a secondary term for it called exploiting. Notice how they say 'well that isn't exactly cheating but I'd call it exploiting' as if it isn't the exact same result. I don't play eso any more or watch any vids for about 2 months because I'm over it, BTW I wasted about 6 months watching streamers every day. And I can tell you they all cheat like crazy, whether it be using totally broken sets, for instance, no one ever used undertaker then it had a bug and all of a sudden all these 'good' players were running it.

Also if you watch several different streamers you will notice other little tricks, saw a guy in IC and he was trying to 1vX about 10 dudes, he started to get overwhelmed then ran into a cage, guess what he too NO DAMAGE but could hit them from inside, WHAT. Also say another dude in Cyro by a bridge, had 5 guys about to kill him, then ducked into a little corner, where he healed up without anyone able to hit him at all. There are glitch areas all over the place like this and these dudes know exactly where they are, is that 'good' player or exploit/cheat.

I've seen several people who run top speed (lose no stam cause not in sprint), have 8K weapon damage, 35K health, using ALL damage sets, 3-4 procs, can take almost no damage but even when they do, go from 5K to 35K in 1-2 seconds. But at the same time when they try to 'solo' BGs/IC/Cyro they get completely stomped over and over but with a pocket healer in group BG/IC/Cyro they kill almost everyone.

All this cheating creates a vicious cycle
1. first people find a cheat, but say it doesn't exist (I'm just so good I can run at max speed at all times or do LA or block and skill each second)(BTW of course I do a perfectly timed block in the middle of nowhere or surround by teammates every time I cast a buff, or LA AC/skill, it's muscle memory dude don't you get it)
2. when they can't lie any more they downplay it, no it's just an exploit (ESO would fix it if it were that bad, to be fair sometimes they do fix/remove bug/exploits)
3. then it becomes rampant, Yeah it's bad, yeah it's a probably a cheat but if I want to be competitive I have to do it too
4. eventually so many people use it, it becomes part of the game

These games are supposed to be fun but toxic folks aren't in it for fun. I actually find it fun to point out FakeNews like many people spread on forums otherwise I wouldn't waste my time. I know most people don't care or will flame me. But my advice is if any game isn't fun find something else to do, and don't take this stuff too seriously.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/593096/recent-game-account-bans-and-suspensions-for-game-client-manipulation#latest

I'll just leave this quote from article, """We recently identified and either banned or suspended several hundred ESO accounts for Terms of Service violations related to cheating. Specifically, manipulating the game client in unintended ways."""

I generally don't buy cheating as much as its reported; but I do submit videos of questionable stuff and leave it up to ZOS to figure out what it is. Sometimes; I am not convinced myself but they can see things I can't

Yeah, I actually wish it wasn't true too but unfortunately the cheating has been widespread for a long time. As has been described in this thread many, many kinds of cheating are very hard to prove, especially when it is happening to you in a fast paced PVP encounter. But I was examining vids and streamers and that is why I was confident about it, cuz having 7000-8K w/sdmg while at the same time moving at max speed all the time should not be possible yet it was happening all over the place. Hopefully ZOS takes a very close look at all the accounts who were adamantly denying that cheating is even real.

I don't think I have seen anything like that to report as far as stats as how you said. I'd never know. But the description you have is possible by legit means. They give so much base weapon and spell damage these days of CP 2.0. A lot of people can sustain very well mixing in heavy and medium attacks.

Generally what i have seen and reported have been people purposely going inside walls/floors and freely coming out (because getting stuck in a wall without being able to come out is fairly common.) Then I've seen people fly. That's more rare but I have also been in heavy lag where a guildy next to me just started being lifted out of a tower and heard them on Discord going "WTF WTF!" As they lift in the air like Marry Poppins are then carried all the way to the next keep over. I have a clip of myself running toward a gatehouse then I see a leap animation on me to them appear to be picked up by my foot and carried into the courtyard then laid down at the feet of a bunch of enemy players. Game has it's quirks

Other than that; Its stuff like noticing players changing costumes while in combat which was causing issues to where ZOS disabled that ability. As recent as Monday night; I saw something similar and I don't know if it does anything but I reported it so they can look at it and be aware. I can't see any reason why else someone would do it, but it's not really for me to judge entirely.

Yeah, my job is such that I work 2-3 months then have 1-2 month until next project so I was playing LOTS of ESO for 5 years. When covid hit I had a whole 6 month off work and played and watched vids/streamer like 12 hours a day, I was a bit obsessed. It seems amazing to me that people who actually put in the time and effort and did NOT cheat ever, would DENY cheating is happening.

BTW when I mention cheating I am NOT talking about the obvious stuff like flying around that everyone can admit. I have always been talking about the extremely hard to detect cheating that stays within the bounds of the rules but gives HUGE advantage especially in PVP. Mostly SPEED bonus. SPEED not only makes you very hard to target, I also think max speed can bypass a lot of damage sources, for instance if you can run THRU an AOE in .5 seconds but the system only registers if you have been it for .7 seconds, you will never take any AOE damage or debuffs from that AOE. And I have seen this MANY times where someone will run thru like 5 AOEs on the ground and not take ANY damage or even get slowed (like from caltrops).

I have tested builds with everything put into speed, and had a vamp build to let me just run with inviso across PVP areas. But if I got caught, I was DEAD for sure because I was giving up damage, armor, etc.

I did have a few scenarios where I came up against someone who was super fast and I thought OK, if I can just catch the dude he should be easy to kill but no these dudes would hit me for more damage than a glass cannon AND be super fast. Then I started watching more streamers, and saw their builds and saw they had very little resources put into speed yet were super fast. Also as a solo player I have never been able to get a viable build above like 6K w/s dmg but these dude 'solo' NO-CP were sitting at like 6.5K wdmg and bursting up to 8K which is insane, especially after the terrible scaling changes.

How do I know their damage because they use the addon that puts wdmg on the screen. So like I said playing against these types of cheaters you can only speculate what is happening, but WATCHING them for hours on stream YOU SEE more closely what is going on. Not to mention the folks who quit ESO and admitted it. I kind of quit ESO but this is a big step in the right direction, been playing NW since launch but it is getting boring, if ESO picked up some good combat stuff from NW they would be great again.

Sidenote: I did notice last night a lot of the folks I speculated were cheating were mysterious not streaming which is a good sign. If I get bored I'll probably check out the streamers for the next couple days just to see if my unofficial research project can have a conclusion. I did watch a few PVPers for a little bit last night and noticed their movement speed was WAY slower and they were maxing out at 5K w/s dmg, so some dudes might have slipped through the cracks but at least they were scared enough to not use the cheat engine for now.

Merforum

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

baselesschart wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

I have busted people doing it and have used my 5 minute record, posted it on youtube (privately) and sent the link in with my ticket. Guess how many views it got? ZERO.

So while it is easy to bust and record and report....doesn't do much good if they don't even look at the video.

I have played the game since launch and I honestly have never personally seen a cheater. I've watched youtube videos of people flying around but no doubt in my mind those people got banned quick. Obviously with the scarcity of cheaters, one could conclude that there must be a pretty big deterrent to cheating. And I don't consider exploits necessarily cheating, even though I don't condone those. I'm mainly referring to outside software being used to gain unfair advantages, which I have not seen personally in my years of playing.

Do some searches and you will find forums where people are talking about using them...it's real.

Exactly right, the dude that creates the speeder hack has now also ruined New World PVP like he ruined ESO. Question if someone can move a max speed without using any speed enhancing gear, enchant, race and also do it without having to sprint (meaning no stam lost) is that OK or cheating?

If someone uses a hack to remove the delay in between attacks and/or cancel animation so they can do more attacks per second than anyone else, is that cheating, I know in ESO this is accepted as light attack animation canceling but when it is automated with a macro is it cheating (BTW in New World these dudes are doing like 2-3 light attacks for every 1 attack, wonder who will win that duel)?

As someone said above people using macros to either block/cast using one button click, and/or doing a perfect LA AC while pushing each skill is RAMPANT and simple to do, don't even need to buy cheat engine. I tested on a simple programmable controller and was able to do it, although with my LAG, it is totally inconsistent, but these dudes with high end systems and super connection and best programmable keypad/mice this is trivial to do.

But this isn't cheating and no one ever saw anyone do any of this stuff, either the people saying that don't play often, don't know what to look for or are the ones doing the cheating so are trying to derail the topic.

These dudes cheat so much they actually have a secondary term for it called exploiting. Notice how they say 'well that isn't exactly cheating but I'd call it exploiting' as if it isn't the exact same result. I don't play eso any more or watch any vids for about 2 months because I'm over it, BTW I wasted about 6 months watching streamers every day. And I can tell you they all cheat like crazy, whether it be using totally broken sets, for instance, no one ever used undertaker then it had a bug and all of a sudden all these 'good' players were running it.

Also if you watch several different streamers you will notice other little tricks, saw a guy in IC and he was trying to 1vX about 10 dudes, he started to get overwhelmed then ran into a cage, guess what he too NO DAMAGE but could hit them from inside, WHAT. Also say another dude in Cyro by a bridge, had 5 guys about to kill him, then ducked into a little corner, where he healed up without anyone able to hit him at all. There are glitch areas all over the place like this and these dudes know exactly where they are, is that 'good' player or exploit/cheat.

I've seen several people who run top speed (lose no stam cause not in sprint), have 8K weapon damage, 35K health, using ALL damage sets, 3-4 procs, can take almost no damage but even when they do, go from 5K to 35K in 1-2 seconds. But at the same time when they try to 'solo' BGs/IC/Cyro they get completely stomped over and over but with a pocket healer in group BG/IC/Cyro they kill almost everyone.

All this cheating creates a vicious cycle
1. first people find a cheat, but say it doesn't exist (I'm just so good I can run at max speed at all times or do LA or block and skill each second)(BTW of course I do a perfectly timed block in the middle of nowhere or surround by teammates every time I cast a buff, or LA AC/skill, it's muscle memory dude don't you get it)
2. when they can't lie any more they downplay it, no it's just an exploit (ESO would fix it if it were that bad, to be fair sometimes they do fix/remove bug/exploits)
3. then it becomes rampant, Yeah it's bad, yeah it's a probably a cheat but if I want to be competitive I have to do it too
4. eventually so many people use it, it becomes part of the game

These games are supposed to be fun but toxic folks aren't in it for fun. I actually find it fun to point out FakeNews like many people spread on forums otherwise I wouldn't waste my time. I know most people don't care or will flame me. But my advice is if any game isn't fun find something else to do, and don't take this stuff too seriously.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/593096/recent-game-account-bans-and-suspensions-for-game-client-manipulation#latest

I'll just leave this quote from article, """We recently identified and either banned or suspended several hundred ESO accounts for Terms of Service violations related to cheating. Specifically, manipulating the game client in unintended ways."""

I generally don't buy cheating as much as its reported; but I do submit videos of questionable stuff and leave it up to ZOS to figure out what it is. Sometimes; I am not convinced myself but they can see things I can't

Yeah, I actually wish it wasn't true too but unfortunately the cheating has been widespread for a long time. As has been described in this thread many, many kinds of cheating are very hard to prove, especially when it is happening to you in a fast paced PVP encounter. But I was examining vids and streamers and that is why I was confident about it, cuz having 7000-8K w/sdmg while at the same time moving at max speed all the time should not be possible yet it was happening all over the place. Hopefully ZOS takes a very close look at all the accounts who were adamantly denying that cheating is even real.

I don't think I have seen anything like that to report as far as stats as how you said. I'd never know. But the description you have is possible by legit means. They give so much base weapon and spell damage these days of CP 2.0. A lot of people can sustain very well mixing in heavy and medium attacks.

Generally what i have seen and reported have been people purposely going inside walls/floors and freely coming out (because getting stuck in a wall without being able to come out is fairly common.) Then I've seen people fly. That's more rare but I have also been in heavy lag where a guildy next to me just started being lifted out of a tower and heard them on Discord going "WTF WTF!" As they lift in the air like Marry Poppins are then carried all the way to the next keep over. I have a clip of myself running toward a gatehouse then I see a leap animation on me to them appear to be picked up by my foot and carried into the courtyard then laid down at the feet of a bunch of enemy players. Game has it's quirks

Other than that; Its stuff like noticing players changing costumes while in combat which was causing issues to where ZOS disabled that ability. As recent as Monday night; I saw something similar and I don't know if it does anything but I reported it so they can look at it and be aware. I can't see any reason why else someone would do it, but it's not really for me to judge entirely.

Yeah, my job is such that I work 2-3 months then have 1-2 month until next project so I was playing LOTS of ESO for 5 years. When covid hit I had a whole 6 month off work and played and watched vids/streamer like 12 hours a day, I was a bit obsessed. It seems amazing to me that people who actually put in the time and effort and did NOT cheat ever, would DENY cheating is happening.

BTW when I mention cheating I am NOT talking about the obvious stuff like flying around that everyone can admit. I have always been talking about the extremely hard to detect cheating that stays within the bounds of the rules but gives HUGE advantage especially in PVP. Mostly SPEED bonus. SPEED not only makes you very hard to target, I also think max speed can bypass a lot of damage sources, for instance if you can run THRU an AOE in .5 seconds but the system only registers if you have been it for .7 seconds, you will never take any AOE damage or debuffs from that AOE. And I have seen this MANY times where someone will run thru like 5 AOEs on the ground and not take ANY damage or even get slowed (like from caltrops).

I have tested builds with everything put into speed, and had a vamp build to let me just run with inviso across PVP areas. But if I got caught, I was DEAD for sure because I was giving up damage, armor, etc.

I did have a few scenarios where I came up against someone who was super fast and I thought OK, if I can just catch the dude he should be easy to kill but no these dudes would hit me for more damage than a glass cannon AND be super fast. Then I started watching more streamers, and saw their builds and saw they had very little resources put into speed yet were super fast. Also as a solo player I have never been able to get a viable build above like 6K w/s dmg but these dude 'solo' NO-CP were sitting at like 6.5K wdmg and bursting up to 8K which is insane, especially after the terrible scaling changes.

How do I know their damage because they use the addon that puts wdmg on the screen. So like I said playing against these types of cheaters you can only speculate what is happening, but WATCHING them for hours on stream YOU SEE more closely what is going on. Not to mention the folks who quit ESO and admitted it. I kind of quit ESO but this is a big step in the right direction, been playing NW since launch but it is getting boring, if ESO picked up some good combat stuff from NW they would be great again.

Sidenote: I did notice last night a lot of the folks I speculated were cheating were mysterious not streaming which is a good sign. If I get bored I'll probably check out the streamers for the next couple days just to see if my unofficial research project can have a conclusion. I did watch a few PVPers for a little bit last night and noticed their movement speed was WAY slower and they were maxing out at 5K w/s dmg, so some dudes might have slipped through the cracks but at least they were scared enough to not use the cheat engine for now.

BTW to your point about seeing people melt into walls and stuff, I know the cheat engine can do that but I have not witnessed that in my research because it is too obvious. But I will say there are MANY in game PVP areas that are GLITCHED, meaning you can go in there and NOT GET DAMAGE. I was so weird as I watched people play in cyro/IC or BGs and keep noticing the same people maneuver into cracks and crevaces AT THE SAME PLACES. And not just like memorizing a tower or rock formation and run around and around for hours killing beginners, there are some areas that you can stand in and NO ONE can damage you, and some you can even damage them like some cages in IC. Those don't require cheat engine just knowledge of glitched out locations, so this is more SKILL than cheating , right?

techyeshic

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

baselesschart wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

I have busted people doing it and have used my 5 minute record, posted it on youtube (privately) and sent the link in with my ticket. Guess how many views it got? ZERO.

So while it is easy to bust and record and report....doesn't do much good if they don't even look at the video.

I have played the game since launch and I honestly have never personally seen a cheater. I've watched youtube videos of people flying around but no doubt in my mind those people got banned quick. Obviously with the scarcity of cheaters, one could conclude that there must be a pretty big deterrent to cheating. And I don't consider exploits necessarily cheating, even though I don't condone those. I'm mainly referring to outside software being used to gain unfair advantages, which I have not seen personally in my years of playing.

Do some searches and you will find forums where people are talking about using them...it's real.

Exactly right, the dude that creates the speeder hack has now also ruined New World PVP like he ruined ESO. Question if someone can move a max speed without using any speed enhancing gear, enchant, race and also do it without having to sprint (meaning no stam lost) is that OK or cheating?

If someone uses a hack to remove the delay in between attacks and/or cancel animation so they can do more attacks per second than anyone else, is that cheating, I know in ESO this is accepted as light attack animation canceling but when it is automated with a macro is it cheating (BTW in New World these dudes are doing like 2-3 light attacks for every 1 attack, wonder who will win that duel)?

As someone said above people using macros to either block/cast using one button click, and/or doing a perfect LA AC while pushing each skill is RAMPANT and simple to do, don't even need to buy cheat engine. I tested on a simple programmable controller and was able to do it, although with my LAG, it is totally inconsistent, but these dudes with high end systems and super connection and best programmable keypad/mice this is trivial to do.

But this isn't cheating and no one ever saw anyone do any of this stuff, either the people saying that don't play often, don't know what to look for or are the ones doing the cheating so are trying to derail the topic.

These dudes cheat so much they actually have a secondary term for it called exploiting. Notice how they say 'well that isn't exactly cheating but I'd call it exploiting' as if it isn't the exact same result. I don't play eso any more or watch any vids for about 2 months because I'm over it, BTW I wasted about 6 months watching streamers every day. And I can tell you they all cheat like crazy, whether it be using totally broken sets, for instance, no one ever used undertaker then it had a bug and all of a sudden all these 'good' players were running it.

Also if you watch several different streamers you will notice other little tricks, saw a guy in IC and he was trying to 1vX about 10 dudes, he started to get overwhelmed then ran into a cage, guess what he too NO DAMAGE but could hit them from inside, WHAT. Also say another dude in Cyro by a bridge, had 5 guys about to kill him, then ducked into a little corner, where he healed up without anyone able to hit him at all. There are glitch areas all over the place like this and these dudes know exactly where they are, is that 'good' player or exploit/cheat.

I've seen several people who run top speed (lose no stam cause not in sprint), have 8K weapon damage, 35K health, using ALL damage sets, 3-4 procs, can take almost no damage but even when they do, go from 5K to 35K in 1-2 seconds. But at the same time when they try to 'solo' BGs/IC/Cyro they get completely stomped over and over but with a pocket healer in group BG/IC/Cyro they kill almost everyone.

All this cheating creates a vicious cycle
1. first people find a cheat, but say it doesn't exist (I'm just so good I can run at max speed at all times or do LA or block and skill each second)(BTW of course I do a perfectly timed block in the middle of nowhere or surround by teammates every time I cast a buff, or LA AC/skill, it's muscle memory dude don't you get it)
2. when they can't lie any more they downplay it, no it's just an exploit (ESO would fix it if it were that bad, to be fair sometimes they do fix/remove bug/exploits)
3. then it becomes rampant, Yeah it's bad, yeah it's a probably a cheat but if I want to be competitive I have to do it too
4. eventually so many people use it, it becomes part of the game

These games are supposed to be fun but toxic folks aren't in it for fun. I actually find it fun to point out FakeNews like many people spread on forums otherwise I wouldn't waste my time. I know most people don't care or will flame me. But my advice is if any game isn't fun find something else to do, and don't take this stuff too seriously.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/593096/recent-game-account-bans-and-suspensions-for-game-client-manipulation#latest

I'll just leave this quote from article, """We recently identified and either banned or suspended several hundred ESO accounts for Terms of Service violations related to cheating. Specifically, manipulating the game client in unintended ways."""

I generally don't buy cheating as much as its reported; but I do submit videos of questionable stuff and leave it up to ZOS to figure out what it is. Sometimes; I am not convinced myself but they can see things I can't

Yeah, I actually wish it wasn't true too but unfortunately the cheating has been widespread for a long time. As has been described in this thread many, many kinds of cheating are very hard to prove, especially when it is happening to you in a fast paced PVP encounter. But I was examining vids and streamers and that is why I was confident about it, cuz having 7000-8K w/sdmg while at the same time moving at max speed all the time should not be possible yet it was happening all over the place. Hopefully ZOS takes a very close look at all the accounts who were adamantly denying that cheating is even real.

I don't think I have seen anything like that to report as far as stats as how you said. I'd never know. But the description you have is possible by legit means. They give so much base weapon and spell damage these days of CP 2.0. A lot of people can sustain very well mixing in heavy and medium attacks.

Generally what i have seen and reported have been people purposely going inside walls/floors and freely coming out (because getting stuck in a wall without being able to come out is fairly common.) Then I've seen people fly. That's more rare but I have also been in heavy lag where a guildy next to me just started being lifted out of a tower and heard them on Discord going "WTF WTF!" As they lift in the air like Marry Poppins are then carried all the way to the next keep over. I have a clip of myself running toward a gatehouse then I see a leap animation on me to them appear to be picked up by my foot and carried into the courtyard then laid down at the feet of a bunch of enemy players. Game has it's quirks

Other than that; Its stuff like noticing players changing costumes while in combat which was causing issues to where ZOS disabled that ability. As recent as Monday night; I saw something similar and I don't know if it does anything but I reported it so they can look at it and be aware. I can't see any reason why else someone would do it, but it's not really for me to judge entirely.

Yeah, my job is such that I work 2-3 months then have 1-2 month until next project so I was playing LOTS of ESO for 5 years. When covid hit I had a whole 6 month off work and played and watched vids/streamer like 12 hours a day, I was a bit obsessed. It seems amazing to me that people who actually put in the time and effort and did NOT cheat ever, would DENY cheating is happening.

BTW when I mention cheating I am NOT talking about the obvious stuff like flying around that everyone can admit. I have always been talking about the extremely hard to detect cheating that stays within the bounds of the rules but gives HUGE advantage especially in PVP. Mostly SPEED bonus. SPEED not only makes you very hard to target, I also think max speed can bypass a lot of damage sources, for instance if you can run THRU an AOE in .5 seconds but the system only registers if you have been it for .7 seconds, you will never take any AOE damage or debuffs from that AOE. And I have seen this MANY times where someone will run thru like 5 AOEs on the ground and not take ANY damage or even get slowed (like from caltrops).

I have tested builds with everything put into speed, and had a vamp build to let me just run with inviso across PVP areas. But if I got caught, I was DEAD for sure because I was giving up damage, armor, etc.

I did have a few scenarios where I came up against someone who was super fast and I thought OK, if I can just catch the dude he should be easy to kill but no these dudes would hit me for more damage than a glass cannon AND be super fast. Then I started watching more streamers, and saw their builds and saw they had very little resources put into speed yet were super fast. Also as a solo player I have never been able to get a viable build above like 6K w/s dmg but these dude 'solo' NO-CP were sitting at like 6.5K wdmg and bursting up to 8K which is insane, especially after the terrible scaling changes.

How do I know their damage because they use the addon that puts wdmg on the screen. So like I said playing against these types of cheaters you can only speculate what is happening, but WATCHING them for hours on stream YOU SEE more closely what is going on. Not to mention the folks who quit ESO and admitted it. I kind of quit ESO but this is a big step in the right direction, been playing NW since launch but it is getting boring, if ESO picked up some good combat stuff from NW they would be great again.

Sidenote: I did notice last night a lot of the folks I speculated were cheating were mysterious not streaming which is a good sign. If I get bored I'll probably check out the streamers for the next couple days just to see if my unofficial research project can have a conclusion. I did watch a few PVPers for a little bit last night and noticed their movement speed was WAY slower and they were maxing out at 5K w/s dmg, so some dudes might have slipped through the cracks but at least they were scared enough to not use the cheat engine for now.

Just threw this together. Close to 7k weapon damage, Just a bit shy of soft cap resist, full impen, full swift (19% speed), steed (10% now?), wild hunt (15% in combat, orc (makes sprint like 55% speed increase), rat (30%). If you go stam sorc or run magplar and use hasty prayer for some reason, you can get another 15%

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=396888

There are better builds out there, for sure.

Merforum

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

baselesschart wrote: »

EmperorIl wrote: »

I have busted people doing it and have used my 5 minute record, posted it on youtube (privately) and sent the link in with my ticket. Guess how many views it got? ZERO.

So while it is easy to bust and record and report....doesn't do much good if they don't even look at the video.

I have played the game since launch and I honestly have never personally seen a cheater. I've watched youtube videos of people flying around but no doubt in my mind those people got banned quick. Obviously with the scarcity of cheaters, one could conclude that there must be a pretty big deterrent to cheating. And I don't consider exploits necessarily cheating, even though I don't condone those. I'm mainly referring to outside software being used to gain unfair advantages, which I have not seen personally in my years of playing.

Do some searches and you will find forums where people are talking about using them...it's real.

Exactly right, the dude that creates the speeder hack has now also ruined New World PVP like he ruined ESO. Question if someone can move a max speed without using any speed enhancing gear, enchant, race and also do it without having to sprint (meaning no stam lost) is that OK or cheating?

If someone uses a hack to remove the delay in between attacks and/or cancel animation so they can do more attacks per second than anyone else, is that cheating, I know in ESO this is accepted as light attack animation canceling but when it is automated with a macro is it cheating (BTW in New World these dudes are doing like 2-3 light attacks for every 1 attack, wonder who will win that duel)?

As someone said above people using macros to either block/cast using one button click, and/or doing a perfect LA AC while pushing each skill is RAMPANT and simple to do, don't even need to buy cheat engine. I tested on a simple programmable controller and was able to do it, although with my LAG, it is totally inconsistent, but these dudes with high end systems and super connection and best programmable keypad/mice this is trivial to do.

But this isn't cheating and no one ever saw anyone do any of this stuff, either the people saying that don't play often, don't know what to look for or are the ones doing the cheating so are trying to derail the topic.

These dudes cheat so much they actually have a secondary term for it called exploiting. Notice how they say 'well that isn't exactly cheating but I'd call it exploiting' as if it isn't the exact same result. I don't play eso any more or watch any vids for about 2 months because I'm over it, BTW I wasted about 6 months watching streamers every day. And I can tell you they all cheat like crazy, whether it be using totally broken sets, for instance, no one ever used undertaker then it had a bug and all of a sudden all these 'good' players were running it.

Also if you watch several different streamers you will notice other little tricks, saw a guy in IC and he was trying to 1vX about 10 dudes, he started to get overwhelmed then ran into a cage, guess what he too NO DAMAGE but could hit them from inside, WHAT. Also say another dude in Cyro by a bridge, had 5 guys about to kill him, then ducked into a little corner, where he healed up without anyone able to hit him at all. There are glitch areas all over the place like this and these dudes know exactly where they are, is that 'good' player or exploit/cheat.

I've seen several people who run top speed (lose no stam cause not in sprint), have 8K weapon damage, 35K health, using ALL damage sets, 3-4 procs, can take almost no damage but even when they do, go from 5K to 35K in 1-2 seconds. But at the same time when they try to 'solo' BGs/IC/Cyro they get completely stomped over and over but with a pocket healer in group BG/IC/Cyro they kill almost everyone.

All this cheating creates a vicious cycle
1. first people find a cheat, but say it doesn't exist (I'm just so good I can run at max speed at all times or do LA or block and skill each second)(BTW of course I do a perfectly timed block in the middle of nowhere or surround by teammates every time I cast a buff, or LA AC/skill, it's muscle memory dude don't you get it)
2. when they can't lie any more they downplay it, no it's just an exploit (ESO would fix it if it were that bad, to be fair sometimes they do fix/remove bug/exploits)
3. then it becomes rampant, Yeah it's bad, yeah it's a probably a cheat but if I want to be competitive I have to do it too
4. eventually so many people use it, it becomes part of the game

These games are supposed to be fun but toxic folks aren't in it for fun. I actually find it fun to point out FakeNews like many people spread on forums otherwise I wouldn't waste my time. I know most people don't care or will flame me. But my advice is if any game isn't fun find something else to do, and don't take this stuff too seriously.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/593096/recent-game-account-bans-and-suspensions-for-game-client-manipulation#latest

I'll just leave this quote from article, """We recently identified and either banned or suspended several hundred ESO accounts for Terms of Service violations related to cheating. Specifically, manipulating the game client in unintended ways."""

I generally don't buy cheating as much as its reported; but I do submit videos of questionable stuff and leave it up to ZOS to figure out what it is. Sometimes; I am not convinced myself but they can see things I can't

Yeah, I actually wish it wasn't true too but unfortunately the cheating has been widespread for a long time. As has been described in this thread many, many kinds of cheating are very hard to prove, especially when it is happening to you in a fast paced PVP encounter. But I was examining vids and streamers and that is why I was confident about it, cuz having 7000-8K w/sdmg while at the same time moving at max speed all the time should not be possible yet it was happening all over the place. Hopefully ZOS takes a very close look at all the accounts who were adamantly denying that cheating is even real.

I don't think I have seen anything like that to report as far as stats as how you said. I'd never know. But the description you have is possible by legit means. They give so much base weapon and spell damage these days of CP 2.0. A lot of people can sustain very well mixing in heavy and medium attacks.

Generally what i have seen and reported have been people purposely going inside walls/floors and freely coming out (because getting stuck in a wall without being able to come out is fairly common.) Then I've seen people fly. That's more rare but I have also been in heavy lag where a guildy next to me just started being lifted out of a tower and heard them on Discord going "WTF WTF!" As they lift in the air like Marry Poppins are then carried all the way to the next keep over. I have a clip of myself running toward a gatehouse then I see a leap animation on me to them appear to be picked up by my foot and carried into the courtyard then laid down at the feet of a bunch of enemy players. Game has it's quirks

Other than that; Its stuff like noticing players changing costumes while in combat which was causing issues to where ZOS disabled that ability. As recent as Monday night; I saw something similar and I don't know if it does anything but I reported it so they can look at it and be aware. I can't see any reason why else someone would do it, but it's not really for me to judge entirely.

Yeah, my job is such that I work 2-3 months then have 1-2 month until next project so I was playing LOTS of ESO for 5 years. When covid hit I had a whole 6 month off work and played and watched vids/streamer like 12 hours a day, I was a bit obsessed. It seems amazing to me that people who actually put in the time and effort and did NOT cheat ever, would DENY cheating is happening.

BTW when I mention cheating I am NOT talking about the obvious stuff like flying around that everyone can admit. I have always been talking about the extremely hard to detect cheating that stays within the bounds of the rules but gives HUGE advantage especially in PVP. Mostly SPEED bonus. SPEED not only makes you very hard to target, I also think max speed can bypass a lot of damage sources, for instance if you can run THRU an AOE in .5 seconds but the system only registers if you have been it for .7 seconds, you will never take any AOE damage or debuffs from that AOE. And I have seen this MANY times where someone will run thru like 5 AOEs on the ground and not take ANY damage or even get slowed (like from caltrops).

I have tested builds with everything put into speed, and had a vamp build to let me just run with inviso across PVP areas. But if I got caught, I was DEAD for sure because I was giving up damage, armor, etc.

I did have a few scenarios where I came up against someone who was super fast and I thought OK, if I can just catch the dude he should be easy to kill but no these dudes would hit me for more damage than a glass cannon AND be super fast. Then I started watching more streamers, and saw their builds and saw they had very little resources put into speed yet were super fast. Also as a solo player I have never been able to get a viable build above like 6K w/s dmg but these dude 'solo' NO-CP were sitting at like 6.5K wdmg and bursting up to 8K which is insane, especially after the terrible scaling changes.

How do I know their damage because they use the addon that puts wdmg on the screen. So like I said playing against these types of cheaters you can only speculate what is happening, but WATCHING them for hours on stream YOU SEE more closely what is going on. Not to mention the folks who quit ESO and admitted it. I kind of quit ESO but this is a big step in the right direction, been playing NW since launch but it is getting boring, if ESO picked up some good combat stuff from NW they would be great again.

Sidenote: I did notice last night a lot of the folks I speculated were cheating were mysterious not streaming which is a good sign. If I get bored I'll probably check out the streamers for the next couple days just to see if my unofficial research project can have a conclusion. I did watch a few PVPers for a little bit last night and noticed their movement speed was WAY slower and they were maxing out at 5K w/s dmg, so some dudes might have slipped through the cracks but at least they were scared enough to not use the cheat engine for now.

Just threw this together. Close to 7k weapon damage, Just a bit shy of soft cap resist, full impen, full swift (19% speed), steed (10% now?), wild hunt (15% in combat, orc (makes sprint like 55% speed increase), rat (30%). If you go stam sorc or run magplar and use hasty prayer for some reason, you can get another 15%

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=396888

There are better builds out there, for sure.

Yes you can create good builds with lots of stuff. And that is why it is so hard to detect or just underestimate the cheating. But these dudes were wearing sithis, deadland assassin, ashen grip, vat 2hnd, infused or bloodthirty, warrior mundus, even some had ALL divines, AND STILL DOING MAX SPEED. And they were doing max speed without using sprint so not stam cost.

I felt like we were in agreement on your other comment. Not interested if you are trying to argue with me.

Kryptonite_Kent

Theignson wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

[snip] yes , somebody who has played the game longer or honed their skills more efficiently can LA weave and AC/BC and that this is a learned skill available to everyone (even though constant complaints have lead to the severe nerfing to lessen the skill gap)......are there cheaters? certainly I imagine on pc, doubt it is very common on console though......

[edited for rude/insulting comment]

Yes, anyone who has played the game for 3 or 4 weeks knows about these techniques.

The point is, that simple macro buttons on programmable mice make these flawless and let the LA/A hit at the same time, every time, no matter what is going on in the chaotic battle.

Instead of LA, slight pause, ability, you just let the computer do it perfectly

This improves DPS because the LA never is missed in any damage cycle.

This it is the simplest and probably most effective form of cheating, that could only be detected statistically

This doesnt actually work though because of desync, even if you have a light attack macrod to a mouse button that has a regular attack on it as well, it will only work if you use it slowly, otherwise the light attack hardly ever goes off if you are spamming the mouse buttons too fast... and as far as I'm aware using programmable mouse buttons isnt cheating anyway

Theres really no difference in using a mouse button or left clicking your light weave anyway... theres 1 second between light attacks and 1 second between regular attacks, using a programmable button doesnt change that or bypass it, theres also a slight input delay between light attacking to ability use, so you cant use them simultaneously even with a macro mouse button, its still a slight pause

Magio_

Larcomar wrote: »

Sooo.... just so I understand, post the ZOS bans for "cheating," we're now maintaining that, ok, cheating obviously can happen, but it's sooo rare that in thousands upon thousands of hours played, you've never seen it... I guess the "several hundred ESO accounts" that got banned for "cheating" aka "manipulating the game client in unintended ways" must all be playing on another server far far away....

Did the dev post ever say the cheating had anything to do with combat?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

...manipulating the game client and using any unapproved third-party applications, programs, scripts, or any other game modifying mechanic used to change the game play experience is strictly prohibited.

Duping items and botting, nothing to do with combat, could be described by the language used in the dev post. It's a super wide net. Everyone here is just assuming it's only combat related.

Also a guy with conspiracy theories that there's people that stream themselves with cheats on lol. Like many cheating accusations, they come from ignorance.

Larcomar

Okaaay.... So *today's* argument is that, ok cheating *is* possible, it *does* happen, but... only in PVE. It's all those weird trader types up to no good. PVP players would never *dream* of doing anything illegitimate....

Seriously, the mental gymnastics some people here are going through to maintain that, probably uniquely amongst online games, ESO is somehow completely cheat free are kind of.... bizarre.

But, like I said above, it's a game, and it's their time. If that's what people need to believe to enjoy themselves or feel good about themselves etc well, who is anyone else to tell them different.

What bothers me more if I'm honest is the way some people here have tried dismiss anyone who dared to suggest that there might just be an element of cheating going on as "ignorant;" "crying wolf;" "brainwashed;" "conspiracy theorists;" "on copium" etc

But hey, it's the internet. And the ESO forums. Par for the course round here I guess. Either way, I think that we're at the point now that there isn't much point continuing to debate this. I think the announcement of the 7th speaks for itself, but people will believe what they want to believe....

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hafgood

It's a game, therefore people cheat and exploit. That's human nature.

In every game there will be those who look to get the edge over their competitors, so does cheating happen? Yes of course it does, anyone who says otherwise is either a cheater, an exploiter or incredibly naive.

Even though i play on console there will still be some looking for an edge, who know the exploits or know how to cheat, there are probably fewer cheats on console than pc but they will be there.

ZOS_Volpe

Greetings,

After removing some unnecessary back and forth from this thread, we would like everyone to keep posts on the subject at hand, civil, and constructive. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Vevvev

GetAgrippa wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/593096/recent-game-account-bans-and-suspensions-for-game-client-manipulation

Ok.... I have been convinced otherwise. Hopefully ZOS plugs up whatever it is these people did to allow them to do what they did.

Is this a PC thing or is this possible on console as well?

And I guess we now know the answer is at least "several hundred," accounts at least. Is it also possible that at least some of these accounts were bot farming, rather than cheating in pvp?

I don't know, but XBox is very similar to a Windows PC because they're using essentially the same operating system. I can only speculate, but ZOS keeps this kind of stuff hush hush for obvious reasons. If it was widespread and public we'd see thousands instead of a mere hundred or so.

Soris

Hi, thanks for banning cheaters Zeni

To all non believers, i guess that dev post in general subforum tells you something... "hundreds of accounts"

Good job Zos!

Noctus

Larcomar wrote: »

Okaaay.... So *today's* argument is that, ok cheating *is* possible, it *does* happen, but... only in PVE. It's all those weird trader types up to no good. PVP players would never *dream* of doing anything illegitimate....

Seriously, the mental gymnastics some people here are going through to maintain that, probably uniquely amongst online games, ESO is somehow completely cheat free are kind of.... bizarre.

But, like I said above, it's a game, and it's their time. If that's what people need to believe to enjoy themselves or feel good about themselves etc well, who is anyone else to tell them different.

What bothers me more if I'm honest is the way some people here have tried dismiss anyone who dared to suggest that there might just be an element of cheating going on as "ignorant;" "crying wolf;" "brainwashed;" "conspiracy theorists;" "on copium" etc

But hey, it's the internet. And the ESO forums. Par for the course round here I guess. Either way, I think that we're at the point now that there isn't much point continuing to debate this. I think the announcement of the 7th speaks for itself, but people will believe what they want to believe....

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there was cheating in the past which is not possible anymore since they introduced server sided checks so the server checks ur output speed etc to what data there is on server what u are suppose to have with the gear and skills u posses.

since this is done on every player servers can get laggy infact back in the day servers seemed better becouse those checks werent there but tbh would u rather have someone dropping 100 meteors in ur face ?

nowadays some exploits are possible if the devs mess up smthing or dont fix bugs even those server side checks can have bugs allowing ppl to do things they aint suppose to do.

overall game is very save unless devs screw it up on an update. it is indeed better than most mmo like bdo for example.
server side checks is the best protection and tbh the best future for gaming would be stadia if that works fluid, since there wont be gamedata on ur pc so there wont be a need to check anything. this would mean it would be less stressfull for servers and would allow very high player capacity no cheats and no lags as we experience them now in cyro.

so yeh u dont need to worry about that much anymore its rare that smthing gets screwed so it can be exploited ur playing one of the saver mmo.

i repeat myself but again many things are server sided like cooldowns on anything even on ur resource regeneration and stuff. the only things that could be done is more on the weird than usefull side like i think jumping rly high or going through some walls.

combat wise no there is nothing to be done tho. not that i know of

aslong as someone doesnt dmg u from below the ground or smthing weird like that he didnt cheat and even then ive seen ppl getting bugged where they appeared dead but still could dmg someone. u could definately replicate and abuse that.(if it wouldnt have been fixed)

ive been playing this game on and off since the beta and i saw some rly weird bugs like there was one with resource maps where when u put the map back to the banker before u collect the nodes u could take it out and collect that spot again. That got many ppl banned.

techyeshic

Soris wrote: »

Hi, thanks for banning cheaters Zeni

To all non believers, i guess that dev post in general subforum tells you something... "hundreds of accounts"

Good job Zos!

From what I heard, it was 72 hours. I doubt these bans were for the type of cheating described in this thread. Or at least I'd hope for something more severe

etchedpixels

Noctus wrote: »

there was cheating in the past which is not possible anymore since they introduced server sided checks so the server checks ur output speed etc to what data there is on server what u are suppose to have with the gear and skills u posses.

There still is cheating. Not every cheat is about making the game do things it shouldn't. Many are about flaws in the game itself - for example a few releases ago there was a bug where the damage scaling of one proc set was totally broken combined with a particular skill and this was heavily abused. (It's also fixed thankfully)

We also definitively know there is cheating because a) they've recently banned people for it, b) they introduced an anti-cheat measure this update according to their own release notes and c) they've been busy snipping on another thread today where someone revealed an exploit. They are at least trying to control cheats.

We are at the point that an AI using a camera and generating the input to the game can play a quite surprising range of games by itself. It's not going to be long before this turns into a difficult problem to police in terms of both bots and things well beyond the aim assist gadgets plaguing some of the shoot em ups.

I do concur though most of the apparent cheating is not - if you talk to good PvP players a lot of what seems to be implausible is just down to using skills, potions and the like right.

Soris

Noctus wrote: »

there was cheating in the past which is not possible anymore since they introduced server sided checks so the server checks ur output speed etc to what data there is on server what u are suppose to have with the gear and skills u posses.

That"s not true. Yes they moved "some" calculations to the server-side, but appareantly not all. There is a legit hack for speed hack for example and it"s still up to date, google search can get you there. I guess proc sets are also handled in client-side probably because some softwares use proc sets to function. The author of this software is explaining how to use it step by step on a forum post lol. I couldn"t believe my eyes how they became so rampant and are being discussed so freely

Good thing is they started to take counter measurements, fixing breaches and inspecting accounts and finally banning them.
Hopefully permanently!

Kryptonite_Kent

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

MEBengalsFan2001

xPoisin wrote: »

The mostly used cheat/exploit right now is macroing… Everyday you can see people in BGs that do win with brutal gap to other people (no, you cańt have 11 absolute noobs and one superman in 5-6 matches in row). What youcan do (and sometimes I do it too) is to log the combat and make a video capture… Then you can do some research and you will find that macroing is the main issue right now.
According to “testing and research” I have done with my few friend we have found some answers that address DKs issues with skill casting / skills not working, but nothing was done with it so we stopped these activities (too much time for no effort is not worth it)…

People are doing perfect and precise combination 3-5 times in a row with timing exactly done ( means zero difference in skill cast timing). It is like one button press = LA+skill+blocks+3x bash in 1 second and you only see dude running/moving around you.
All he have to do is choose a target manualy ( also scriptable as auto marking ). Sometimes you can not even see the skill animation and can only see and check in logs.

Macro this with for example on a nightblade using cloak attack combo and fear and you only have to learn the combination of two / three macro buttons for attack, heal and gank combo ( yeah I have tested this only on PTS and I have sent a several reports).

Your statement about macro is exactly what the third party box/controllers do. You have preprogrammed macro for each button and they all take less than 1 second to execute in the game. Having 4-6 buttons preprogrammed like this provides players an unfair advantage. And as I stated in my post, those modded box/controllers are not for the average player but those with disabilities.

wazzz56

I see a lot of people complaining and accusing people of cheating due to not understanding mechanics of the game ( not understanding dw ha hits 2xs etc) ,getting bursted by far better or experienced players, getting ganked in general etc...it is obvious with the recent bans that cheating takes place, but all the macro talk and accusations I see in my own whispers and inbox and my friends/guildies whispers and inboxes are kinda laughable....for the simple fact that they got bursted , they get salty and talk about reporting for cheating etc...I actually wonder if some people play the game at all or just whisper and report all day....

MEBengalsFan2001

wazzz56 wrote: »

I see a lot of people complaining and accusing people of cheating due to not understanding mechanics of the game ( not understanding dw ha hits 2xs etc) ,getting bursted by far better or experienced players, getting ganked in general etc...it is obvious with the recent bans that cheating takes place, but all the macro talk and accusations I see in my own whispers and inbox and my friends/guildies whispers and inboxes are kinda laughable....for the simple fact that they got bursted , they get salty and talk about reporting for cheating etc...I actually wonder if some people play the game at all or just whisper and report all day....

The [snip] is hardware that allows players access to macros allowing a single push of a button that is programmed to execute multiple buttons. Due to how this is connected to your console ZoS cannot detect this device. So simply aiming and hitting a button on this device or buttons can allow a player to run over others without much trouble and the player on the receiving end has a right to angry as this is providing an unfair advantage.

Mod, please feel free to edit the link but the goal here is awareness around devices that provide unfair advantages that is ruining PVP in ESO.

[edited to remove link]

Kryptonite_Kent

Lets end this debate about "no one actually cheats" cause we all know its a lie, anyone can google ESO trainers and go watch live game footage of people using specific cheat engines to wall / terrain hack, speed hack, float, god mode at a certain HP number, teleport, queue a string of attacks to fire all at once, become untargetable... its all going on, people are just not doing it blatantly enough to get caught, but when you see it you see it... go google ESO trainer and watch the videos on youtube if you think otherwise, because all of this exists 100%, and no they arent old videos, the one I saw last night was a guy in Vvardenfell demonstrating all the hacks the trainer can do, so stop with the denying, its a lie to say cheating isnt going on.

As a matter of fact, heres one of the links, how about taking a look at this ZOS???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEybQoiibFc

MentalxHammer

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.