How many people actually cheat?

Kryptonite_Kent

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

MentalxHammer

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

Kryptonite_Kent

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Soris

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Miats still does that to some extent. It still alerts you if someone targets you or uses a cc ability on you. I manually block or dodge roll when i hear the alert sound. And it shouldn"t be too hard to create an auto dodge / block script if x ability being casted on you. Most ultimates, most heavy hitting abilities and heavy attacks have a cast time or travel time. So it's not predicting the future tbh.

milllaurie

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Just listen to yourself. Autododge stuns. Ok. Reverb bash costs 2700 stam. Your rolldodge costs 3500 on a good day and ramps up in cost every time you use it.
By your theory all I have to do is try using reverberating bash on you a few times and you are out of stam dodging it.
Sorry, you do not need to be Einstein to see your logic is flawed.
Good players are that good because they know WHAT and WHEN to dodge. They make the decision judging many factors. They do it many times a second. Like this calculation I just made is not some astrophysics. Way better way to not get stunned is to block the stun if you anticipate/see it coming since it costs around 1500 stam on non sword and shield bar. Or, if you just saw your opponent consume his ult just get stunned and take your cc immunity for 7 seconds and use it to pull off your combo.
Since they just used their ult it is less likely they can use a defensive one so my combo might succeed.
I would only try to avoid the stun if I knew my opponent has his ult.

The other day I was fighting a magsorc. Actually one of the top players on my platform/server. I was on my stamden. He would dodge/walk through me/streak my every dizzying swing. Because he knew a stamden burst can one shot him. My dizzy-medium attack stuns him them DB and sub lands on him while he is on the ground so he can't block, followed by executioneer bash cancelled gg. That did not happen since he was very smart about it.

Being smart about when to avoid/take stuns is the key of player success. No trainer/3rd party program/whatever can't judge better than yourself.

Most of the cheat accusations come from players who like to pvp but don't know how. Good players spot good gameplay. Ask yourself: "how many duels did I do with my pvp guildies?", "How many times did I perfect my offensive combo on a dummy?", "How many times have I pushed my limits against more opponents?".
Because there are people who do all the time. They do not need any 3rd party programs to kill the ones who accuse them of cheating.

Kryptonite_Kent

milllaurie wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Just listen to yourself. Autododge stuns. Ok. Reverb bash costs 2700 stam. Your rolldodge costs 3500 on a good day and ramps up in cost every time you use it.
By your theory all I have to do is try using reverberating bash on you a few times and you are out of stam dodging it.
Sorry, you do not need to be Einstein to see your logic is flawed.
Good players are that good because they know WHAT and WHEN to dodge. They make the decision judging many factors. They do it many times a second. Like this calculation I just made is not some astrophysics. Way better way to not get stunned is to block the stun if you anticipate/see it coming since it costs around 1500 stam on non sword and shield bar. Or, if you just saw your opponent consume his ult just get stunned and take your cc immunity for 7 seconds and use it to pull off your combo.
Since they just used their ult it is less likely they can use a defensive one so my combo might succeed.
I would only try to avoid the stun if I knew my opponent has his ult.

The other day I was fighting a magsorc. Actually one of the top players on my platform/server. I was on my stamden. He would dodge/walk through me/streak my every dizzying swing. Because he knew a stamden burst can one shot him. My dizzy-medium attack stuns him them DB and sub lands on him while he is on the ground so he can't block, followed by executioneer bash cancelled gg. That did not happen since he was very smart about it.

Being smart about when to avoid/take stuns is the key of player success. No trainer/3rd party program/whatever can't judge better than yourself.

Most of the cheat accusations come from players who like to pvp but don't know how. Good players spot good gameplay. Ask yourself: "how many duels did I do with my pvp guildies?", "How many times did I perfect my offensive combo on a dummy?", "How many times have I pushed my limits against more opponents?".
Because there are people who do all the time. They do not need any 3rd party programs to kill the ones who accuse them of cheating.

Read the post above yours... Miats used to actually do this, its not autoblocking everything, its autoblocking / dodging specific things like gap closing stuns... I mean I literally posted a video of someone hacking with a trainer and you come in here telling me no one could do this stuff, [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Kryptonite_Kent

Soris wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Miats still does that to some extent. It still alerts you if someone targets you or uses a cc ability on you. I manually block or dodge roll when i hear the alert sound. And it shouldn"t be too hard to create an auto dodge / block script if x ability being casted on you. Most ultimates, most heavy hitting abilities and heavy attacks have a cast time or travel time. So it's not predicting the future tbh.

Exactly... its crazy how some people are trying to deny this can happen when it already has lmao, like its either willfull obliviousness, or they are outright in denial / lying... you can tell the difference between someone who is actively dodge rolling and someone who just magically dodge rolls every time someone tries to stun them even if they dont see it coming or are in combat with several people at once... its really not difficult to spot unrealistic responses when you see them in real time, especially when you've been pvping for 6 years lol

Larcomar

It's good to see that this thread has finally honed in on the REAL issue plaguing ESO. It's not the people who cheat who are the problem. It's the TOXIC people who flag it up. They're actually a bigger detriment to the community than the TINY amount of players that are actually cheating.

@Kryptonite_Kent [snip] I did watch your video. [snip]

That's not a guy using a hack programme to cheat. If you were a "pro" you'd recognise that that's someone's who's spent thousands upon thousands of hours to MASTER the game.

He's know's exactly WHAT to do, WHEN to do it and makes HUNDREDS of calculations a second, judging THOUSANDS of different factors. He know's exactly what you're going to do before you do it. In fact, he know's what you're going to do before you've even thought about it. He's that good.

Sure, some of that stuff may look [snip] unreal. But he's got a pro PVP build see. You won't find it on youtube. And I'm not going to tell you the sets. Serious PVPers know about this stuff but aren't going to share. It takes MONTHS of research and YEARS of testing to put them together.

Now, I know you're going to spout some nonsense about the guy being invulnerable to damage. Disappearing under the ground when he gets low health. Or flying. That's just a good player getting hit by a glitch. It could happen to ANYONE. It's not cheating.

And, even if he were maybe exploiting that glitch, well, exploiting isn't cheating. Contrary to popular belief, cheating and exploitation are NOT the same thing. Sure they can both give you unfair advantages but they are ENTIRELY different. Using a broken set is not cheating lol. Exploits are inherent in games and are ENTIRELY the developers fault for their existence.

Glad that we sorted that out...

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wazzz56

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

I see a lot of people complaining and accusing people of cheating due to not understanding mechanics of the game ( not understanding dw ha hits 2xs etc) ,getting bursted by far better or experienced players, getting ganked in general etc...it is obvious with the recent bans that cheating takes place, but all the macro talk and accusations I see in my own whispers and inbox and my friends/guildies whispers and inboxes are kinda laughable....for the simple fact that they got bursted , they get salty and talk about reporting for cheating etc...I actually wonder if some people play the game at all or just whisper and report all day....

The [snip] is hardware that allows players access to macros allowing a single push of a button that is programmed to execute multiple buttons. Due to how this is connected to your console ZoS cannot detect this device. So simply aiming and hitting a button on this device or buttons can allow a player to run over others without much trouble and the player on the receiving end has a right to angry as this is providing an unfair advantage.

Mod, please feel free to edit the link but the goal here is awareness around devices that provide unfair advantages that is ruining PVP in ESO.

@MEBengalsFan2001 I am well aware that things like that exist..my point is that every time somebody is better than you, more experienced than you etc it is not an example of cheating, modding, macros and so on....muscle memory and repetitive practice are wild things man...it is almost as if that with and practice and experience a player could get to the point where the burst rotation could be executed with virtually the same timing and efficiency nearly every time.....Pretty crazy to think that hours spent fighting may improve reactions and situational awareness to the point where it is almost second nature to dodge/block etc in response to another players combat.....do a small number of people cheat in pvp? certainly.....but def not to the extent that many on here are making it out to be.... question for you, what percentage of people do you think actually use macros or modded controller?

Vaoh

Is there any cheating on console?

And I don’t mean a “oh yeah PC has it so console must have it but less often” sort of argument.I mean in the past year, has anyone known about players hacking the game, getting boosted stats, flying around, whatever the cheat might be.

I’m just curious because I have played since console launch yet I don’t think I’ve seen any cheating.

MEBengalsFan2001

wazzz56 wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

I see a lot of people complaining and accusing people of cheating due to not understanding mechanics of the game ( not understanding dw ha hits 2xs etc) ,getting bursted by far better or experienced players, getting ganked in general etc...it is obvious with the recent bans that cheating takes place, but all the macro talk and accusations I see in my own whispers and inbox and my friends/guildies whispers and inboxes are kinda laughable....for the simple fact that they got bursted , they get salty and talk about reporting for cheating etc...I actually wonder if some people play the game at all or just whisper and report all day....

The Cronus Zen Controller Emulator is hardware that allows players access to macros allowing a single push of a button that is programmed to execute multiple buttons. Due to how this is connected to your console ZoS cannot detect this device. So simply aiming and hitting a button on this device or buttons can allow a player to run over others without much trouble and the player on the receiving end has a right to angry as this is providing an unfair advantage.

Mod, please feel free to edit the link but the goal here is awareness around devices that provide unfair advantages that is ruining PVP in ESO.

@MEBengalsFan2001 I am well aware that things like that exist..my point is that every time somebody is better than you, more experienced than you etc it is not an example of cheating, modding, macros and so on....muscle memory and repetitive practice are wild things man...it is almost as if that with and practice and experience a player could get to the point where the burst rotation could be executed with virtually the same timing and efficiency nearly every time.....Pretty crazy to think that hours spent fighting may improve reactions and situational awareness to the point where it is almost second nature to dodge/block etc in response to another players combat.....do a small number of people cheat in pvp? certainly.....but def not to the extent that many on here are making it out to be.... question for you, what percentage of people do you think actually use macros or modded controller?

The percentage of players that use 3rd party hardware on consoles are a small percentage of the overall population in the game as there are RPG players, players focused on their housing, players focused on crafting, players focused on PVE, and of course PVP players. The % of players that use a 3rd party hardware probably have the biggest group in PVP with a small portion in PVE. Those that play PVE are probably individuals that need the device to actually play the game effectively. As for PVP, I would say less than 10% of the PVP population use these type of devices. However, even if 1% of the player population in PVP is using it, that makes PVP unfair for rest of the gaming population.

As for players being able to have perfect execution, given how the game lags out I find perfect execution without a mod box a thing of myth. Also on console we have not only game lag but the lag connection between controller and system. That delay between the controller and console and with game lag the only way a player can 100% effectively do the perfect execution constantly is with hardware that is preprogrammed.

I've played many MMOs over the years and lately I see more and more players doing perfect execution such as being able to do 3-4 abilities with instant cast time in less than a second and killing many players in a short time with said rotation. These devices are impacting many online competitive games. It is an issue that Sony/MS needs to resolve, not ZoS from a console prospective. From a PC side, I think it is the game developer should be resolving these issues.

If a player is able to use a marco to gain a competitive advantage, they should be banned. Regardless if it is done through a mod box or through add on.

I think one way to reduce issues in the game is force a .5 second cooldown on all abilities after a light attack or ability used. This would allow no more than two usage of an ability within a second. I think this small change would greatly improve PVP.

milllaurie

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Just listen to yourself. Autododge stuns. Ok. Reverb bash costs 2700 stam. Your rolldodge costs 3500 on a good day and ramps up in cost every time you use it.
By your theory all I have to do is try using reverberating bash on you a few times and you are out of stam dodging it.
Sorry, you do not need to be Einstein to see your logic is flawed.
Good players are that good because they know WHAT and WHEN to dodge. They make the decision judging many factors. They do it many times a second. Like this calculation I just made is not some astrophysics. Way better way to not get stunned is to block the stun if you anticipate/see it coming since it costs around 1500 stam on non sword and shield bar. Or, if you just saw your opponent consume his ult just get stunned and take your cc immunity for 7 seconds and use it to pull off your combo.
Since they just used their ult it is less likely they can use a defensive one so my combo might succeed.
I would only try to avoid the stun if I knew my opponent has his ult.

The other day I was fighting a magsorc. Actually one of the top players on my platform/server. I was on my stamden. He would dodge/walk through me/streak my every dizzying swing. Because he knew a stamden burst can one shot him. My dizzy-medium attack stuns him them DB and sub lands on him while he is on the ground so he can't block, followed by executioneer bash cancelled gg. That did not happen since he was very smart about it.

Being smart about when to avoid/take stuns is the key of player success. No trainer/3rd party program/whatever can't judge better than yourself.

Most of the cheat accusations come from players who like to pvp but don't know how. Good players spot good gameplay. Ask yourself: "how many duels did I do with my pvp guildies?", "How many times did I perfect my offensive combo on a dummy?", "How many times have I pushed my limits against more opponents?".
Because there are people who do all the time. They do not need any 3rd party programs to kill the ones who accuse them of cheating.

Read the post above yours... Miats used to actually do this, its not autoblocking everything, its autoblocking / dodging specific things like gap closing stuns... I mean I literally posted a video of someone hacking with a trainer and you come in here telling me no one could do this stuff, [snip]

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Miats would never auto dodge or auto block. It would show you a notification about an attack being channeled. (Note - a skill with a cast time - snipe, heavy attack etc). This information has been long removed from the api hence made inaccessible. Well have you asked yourself the questions yet?
A thing about your trainer - it enables you to fly and noclip through textures. Let me ask you this - have you ever seen anyone in cyrodiil flying? I have once. The guy was insta banned.
You are calling people cheaters because they outplay and kill you, not because the fly or noclip. The trainer you posted has nothing to do with people knowing how to kite, manage their resources and kill weaker players. It only enables you to do stupid stuff with flying and clipping through textures.

Einstein_

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

I am sure it is possible to create a "3th party tool" which is able to do that... its not looking into the future. ESO acually sends a message to the clint showing that somebody is about to DB you for exmaple ( cast time on ultis, addons are able to show it even). Ontop of that i am unsure if the dodging is handled server side, if not it can be manipulated. Everything which is clint side can be manipulated in theory.....

Also its certently possible to create "hacks" which change your position, since aperantly thats also clint side...walking through walls/flying ect....we also saw that happen in a video somebody posted.


now it comes a BIG BUT.

I have about 5000h of pure PvP playtime in the last 1.5 years and i didnt saw a single cheater myself.....But i get "you are a cheater messages" every 3h of playing cyro in avg. So while its in theory possible to cheat atleast 99% of the claims are just wrong, like already pointed out by others there is just a hugh skill gap between players. Also ZoS never said what this 200+ ppl who got banned acually did. Maybe it was jsut some bot gold farmers, since nomraly ppl start to invest time in hacks if they can earn some RL money (Gold selling).

also exploiting is not cheating. In the last year i can remeber of a few exampels...
- self revive with doungon que
- glitching through doors
- call of the Undertake
- miss calculation with DC DMG
- Desynced dmg in combination with slow projectiles/lag (still in the game)
- .....list go on and on

Dorkener

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I think one way to reduce issues in the game is force a .5 second cooldown on all abilities after a light attack or ability used. This would allow no more than two usage of an ability within a second. I think this small change would greatly improve PVP.

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But both light attacks and abilities already have their own 0.9 sec GCD?

milllaurie

Einstein_ wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

I am sure it is possible to create a "3th party tool" which is able to do that... its not looking into the future. ESO acually sends a message to the clint showing that somebody is about to DB you for exmaple ( cast time on ultis, addons are able to show it even). Ontop of that i am unsure if the dodging is handled server side, if not it can be manipulated. Everything which is clint side can be manipulated in theory.....

Also its certently possible to create "hacks" which change your position, since aperantly thats also clint side...walking through walls/flying ect....we also saw that happen in a video somebody posted.


now it comes a BIG BUT.

I have about 5000h of pure PvP playtime in the last 1.5 years and i didnt saw a single cheater myself.....But i get "you are a cheater messages" every 3h of playing cyro in avg. So while its in theory possible to cheat atleast 99% of the claims are just wrong, like already pointed out by others there is just a hugh skill gap between players. Also ZoS never said what this 200+ ppl who got banned acually did. Maybe it was jsut some bot gold farmers, since nomraly ppl start to invest time in hacks if they can earn some RL money (Gold selling).

also exploiting is not cheating. In the last year i can remeber of a few exampels...
- self revive with doungon que
- glitching through doors
- call of the Undertake
- miss calculation with DC DMG
- Desynced dmg in combination with slow projectiles/lag (still in the game)
- .....list go on and on

Oh yeah, warden portal your friends on another faction inside keeps was a thing.
But that falls into "use the tree to jump into fort aleswell" category.

wazzz56

@MEBengalsFan2001 you use lag as a reason that perfect execution in your opinion, is not possible..is it also a reason that perhaps on your end it seemed like all the attacks hit at once etc? good for the goose good for the gander, right? And am I reading into this correctly in that you discount all skill and experience in a player being able to execute rotations on you and blame it all on mods or cheats? What console do you play on? Must be xbox, because in my 6 years of pvp play on PS I don't recall ever coming across anyone using cheats..so maybe it is just not as common..though I have been accused and know many others who have been accused just for killing somebody.......Also, the dynamic nature of pvp kinda limits the usefulness for macros imho...

MEBengalsFan2001

wazzz56 wrote: »

@MEBengalsFan2001 you use lag as a reason that perfect execution in your opinion, is not possible..is it also a reason that perhaps on your end it seemed like all the attacks hit at once etc? good for the goose good for the gander, right? And am I reading into this correctly in that you discount all skill and experience in a player being able to execute rotations on you and blame it all on mods or cheats? What console do you play on? Must be xbox, because in my 6 years of pvp play on PS I don't recall ever coming across anyone using cheats..so maybe it is just not as common..though I have been accused and know many others who have been accused just for killing somebody.......Also, the dynamic nature of pvp kinda limits the usefulness for macros imho...

I'm going to flip it back to you on skill. So you believe that players are capable of perfectly executing 3-4 abilities within one second and chain them again and again to kill multiple players around them without any chance of a error? I find that in itself is logically flawed because of the process to get the skill to trigger you first have human input into a device (controller/keyboard), than you have that device input into the system (PC/Console), and finally that data has to travel to the server.

There is so many variables that can go wrong such as the human input hitting the wrong button, the device not properly receiving the signal or not sending the signal, etc... Technology isn't perfect and neither can a player be unless they are abusing the system to gain an advantage. Even professionals make mistakes, its called being human as being human is to error.

So when I do see someone doing perfect execution constantly even when pressured by a group and they wipe a group especially when the group ends up with similar items killing them in a very short window, its probably a player cheating.

I don't know for certain but it feels like daily I run into maybe one or two player that are using modded device, sometimes there are more but usually you can tell.

There are other cheats I have seen on console and don't know how the players do these. I was with a friend and there was one player anytime we got next to him we both lagged out. We moved 10m or further from that player we had no lag. We were in a group and each person experienced the same thing near that player. I've seen this happen a few times with various players. The term that is used for this is called lag switching, Not sure how this is capable on console but I have witness it a few times and quite frankly it annoying and if the player is doing this they should be banned indefinitely.

wazzz56

@MEBengalsFan2001 you are literally basing all of your arguments off of speculation....do you assume every 1vX is somebody cheating? and again what console are you on?

Einstein_

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

@MEBengalsFan2001 you use lag as a reason that perfect execution in your opinion, is not possible..is it also a reason that perhaps on your end it seemed like all the attacks hit at once etc? good for the goose good for the gander, right? And am I reading into this correctly in that you discount all skill and experience in a player being able to execute rotations on you and blame it all on mods or cheats? What console do you play on? Must be xbox, because in my 6 years of pvp play on PS I don't recall ever coming across anyone using cheats..so maybe it is just not as common..though I have been accused and know many others who have been accused just for killing somebody.......Also, the dynamic nature of pvp kinda limits the usefulness for macros imho...

I'm going to flip it back to you on skill. So you believe that players are capable of perfectly executing 3-4 abilities within one second and chain them again and again to kill multiple players around them without any chance of a error? I find that in itself is logically flawed because of the process to get the skill to trigger you first have human input into a device (controller/keyboard), than you have that device input into the system (PC/Console), and finally that data has to travel to the server.

There is so many variables that can go wrong such as the human input hitting the wrong button, the device not properly receiving the signal or not sending the signal, etc... Technology isn't perfect and neither can a player be unless they are abusing the system to gain an advantage. Even professionals make mistakes, its called being human as being human is to error.

So when I do see someone doing perfect execution constantly even when pressured by a group and they wipe a group especially when the group ends up with similar items killing them in a very short window, its probably a player cheating.

I don't know for certain but it feels like daily I run into maybe one or two player that are using modded device, sometimes there are more but usually you can tell.

There are other cheats I have seen on console and don't know how the players do these. I was with a friend and there was one player anytime we got next to him we both lagged out. We moved 10m or further from that player we had no lag. We were in a group and each person experienced the same thing near that player. I've seen this happen a few times with various players. The term that is used for this is called lag switching, Not sure how this is capable on console but I have witness it a few times and quite frankly it annoying and if the player is doing this they should be banned indefinitely.

idk i would say you are the typical example of thinking you know alot but you acually dont.....ppl are way better then you so they must be cheaters...

idk if you ever noticed but YOU DONT NEED THE INPUT TO BE PERFECT !!!!, ESO has a que for your inputs...so if you press your LA/skills ect a little before the CCD acually ends it gets qued and fires of perfectly....
or did you acually think ppl on dummy press there LAs in a pefect sub 100ms rotation ?...

sorry to tell you, but YOU are one of the resons so many especially new players think ESO is flooded with cheaters. But acually you just dont know enugh of the game...

Rohamad_Ali

I hope there are none anymore using 3rd party software that actually allows manipulation of the game mechanics. It's an older MMO now so the incentive to cheat should be lower. Gaining higher streamer status or best Youtuber is no longer as popular now on ESO so many have moved on to where there is incentive.

A worthy note however from a humble player, the "cheaters" of the past were actually the ones that brought the issue up and risked there accounts to show us all back then that cheat engine was a thing. Only then did the problem get better. Honor among thieves is a strange concept but I think that description fits the bill in ESO's past.

hafgood

I would just like to ask one question to all those who claim people use macros to hit 3 or 4 skills at the same time - how does this work in relation to the global cool down? I can hit two skills in less than a second but only one will fire so how does a macro get round this?

And skills have different timings on them, so if someone knows their rotation well they can get 3 or 4 skills to hit at the same time due to the cast time of the skills.

I don't PvP much but when I do have heard all sorts of conspiracy theories about cheating and macros but generally speaking it's because someone has just killed them.

I don't doubt cheating goes on, more so on PC than console, but I'm sure there will be those cheating on the PS but I do question the value of macros to make all skills hit at once, especially in PvP where the combat is dynamic and so macros less use anyway

Rohamad_Ali

hafgood wrote: »

I would just like to ask one question to all those who claim people use macros to hit 3 or 4 skills at the same time - how does this work in relation to the global cool down? I can hit two skills in less than a second but only one will fire so how does a macro get round this?

And skills have different timings on them, so if someone knows their rotation well they can get 3 or 4 skills to hit at the same time due to the cast time of the skills.

I don't PvP much but when I do have heard all sorts of conspiracy theories about cheating and macros but generally speaking it's because someone has just killed them.

I don't doubt cheating goes on, more so on PC than console, but I'm sure there will be those cheating on the PS but I do question the value of macros to make all skills hit at once, especially in PvP where the combat is dynamic and so macros less use anyway

I've never macro'd in ESO but have in other games like Star Wars Galaxies where it was allowed. From what I've been told here, the concept is key binding attacks that correspond with the best combat animation cancel such as block, roll or light attack to lessen the animation time of combat. Not exactly purist macro fighting at all here. Most people can do this faster then a macro after playing years and there's no way to bypass global cooldown on skills, just the animation seen.

Einstein_

hafgood wrote: »

I would just like to ask one question to all those who claim people use macros to hit 3 or 4 skills at the same time - how does this work in relation to the global cool down? I can hit two skills in less than a second but only one will fire so how does a macro get round this?

And skills have different timings on them, so if someone knows their rotation well they can get 3 or 4 skills to hit at the same time due to the cast time of the skills.

I don't PvP much but when I do have heard all sorts of conspiracy theories about cheating and macros but generally speaking it's because someone has just killed them.

I don't doubt cheating goes on, more so on PC than console, but I'm sure there will be those cheating on the PS but I do question the value of macros to make all skills hit at once, especially in PvP where the combat is dynamic and so macros less use anyway

You are right, you can give your marcos 1000 inputs per second...you wil NOT bypass CCD, ppl who claim that are just the main proplem in this whole cheater debate...

TheS1X

Some Sorcs are using macros and they are very good because of it. One sorc killed everyone with one hit and even when people respawned on BG. Everyone told that this (snip) is macroing. So, if it is done right, it is very good cheat.

Einstein_

TheS1X wrote: »

Some Sorcs are using macros and they are very good because of it. One sorc killed everyone with one hit and even when people respawned on BG. Everyone told that this (snip) is macroing. So, if it is done right, it is very good cheat.

with one hit ?, so macros are dmg hacks ?
or did he just time curse/meteor/streak/fury/+ potetial proc set ?, which is not macroing since every donkey could do that

Its also not a cheat, a magcro just makes inputs which can be done by every human aswell...if you cant press a skill every 1s you propaply play the wrong game.....

MEBengalsFan2001

wazzz56 wrote: »

@MEBengalsFan2001 you are literally basing all of your arguments off of speculation....do you assume every 1vX is somebody cheating? and again what console are you on?

WOW! You really didn't read what I wrote so go back to and reread what I wrote. I didn't say everybody cheats in PVP. I made a point of stating around 10%. But even if only 1% cheat, it is still an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed.

I done plenty of 1v1 and had my butt handed to me and I'm fine with that. But when someone is able to do the same moves constantly even when lag pops up for others it is clear they are using a device like the one I listed to get an advantage.

Einstein_ wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

@MEBengalsFan2001 you use lag as a reason that perfect execution in your opinion, is not possible..is it also a reason that perhaps on your end it seemed like all the attacks hit at once etc? good for the goose good for the gander, right? And am I reading into this correctly in that you discount all skill and experience in a player being able to execute rotations on you and blame it all on mods or cheats? What console do you play on? Must be xbox, because in my 6 years of pvp play on PS I don't recall ever coming across anyone using cheats..so maybe it is just not as common..though I have been accused and know many others who have been accused just for killing somebody.......Also, the dynamic nature of pvp kinda limits the usefulness for macros imho...

I'm going to flip it back to you on skill. So you believe that players are capable of perfectly executing 3-4 abilities within one second and chain them again and again to kill multiple players around them without any chance of a error? I find that in itself is logically flawed because of the process to get the skill to trigger you first have human input into a device (controller/keyboard), than you have that device input into the system (PC/Console), and finally that data has to travel to the server.

There is so many variables that can go wrong such as the human input hitting the wrong button, the device not properly receiving the signal or not sending the signal, etc... Technology isn't perfect and neither can a player be unless they are abusing the system to gain an advantage. Even professionals make mistakes, its called being human as being human is to error.

So when I do see someone doing perfect execution constantly even when pressured by a group and they wipe a group especially when the group ends up with similar items killing them in a very short window, its probably a player cheating.

I don't know for certain but it feels like daily I run into maybe one or two player that are using modded device, sometimes there are more but usually you can tell.

There are other cheats I have seen on console and don't know how the players do these. I was with a friend and there was one player anytime we got next to him we both lagged out. We moved 10m or further from that player we had no lag. We were in a group and each person experienced the same thing near that player. I've seen this happen a few times with various players. The term that is used for this is called lag switching, Not sure how this is capable on console but I have witness it a few times and quite frankly it annoying and if the player is doing this they should be banned indefinitely.

idk i would say you are the typical example of thinking you know alot but you acually dont.....ppl are way better then you so they must be cheaters...

idk if you ever noticed but YOU DONT NEED THE INPUT TO BE PERFECT !!!!, ESO has a que for your inputs...so if you press your LA/skills ect a little before the CCD acually ends it gets qued and fires of perfectly....
or did you acually think ppl on dummy press there LAs in a pefect sub 100ms rotation ?...

sorry to tell you, but YOU are one of the resons so many especially new players think ESO is flooded with cheaters. But acually you just dont know enugh of the game...

Go back and reread what I wrote about the % of people cheating. It is a very small %. I'm just explaining what I have witness in this game when I play. For all the players I face seeing 1 or 2 day cheating a day is a very small % of the population. As for how someone by passes the ICD, its probably just like how anyone hacks a system and gets what they want from it.

I use to play DCUO and someone I knew was easily hacking that game and getting extremely rare items and getting a level 1 character to end game in about 5 minutes. So hacking can be done in a mmo, even on consoles. And the % of people truly hacking the game to cheat is probably a very small percent of the overall population.

All I have done here is explain what I have seen in this game while playing it and my thoughts on it based on my experience.

wazzz56

@MEBengalsFan2001 I read and understand exactly what you wrote, and I asked if you assume 1vxs are done with cheating.....seems like a logical question to ask based of of your statements about speculating who is and isn't "cheating"....also, in what way would macros assist in a world where GCDs exist? How do rigidly scripted combos help in a world where combat is dynamic and each fight will bring different variables including but not limited to passives, differences in gear, classes, races etc? Not to mention the varying play styles that exist not only from class to class but from user to user? My speculation is that the use of macros on console is < 1% , and even when used in PvP, the advantage it gives is between negligible to non existent.... waaay too often skillfull players, bad game performance and lag (both game side, user side and opponent side) are written off as " I died , they cheated" ...and that attitude permeates and paints a bad picture that eso is "full of cheaters"...

PvP_Exploiter

Can't remember the last time I saw anyone use cheat engine, there was one person who used it in overland areas around a year ago, some videos were posted on this forum.

On PC EU in Cyrodiil, no cheat engine users in years.

Some exploiters with old instant revive bug, but they all either quit or got banned.

Einstein_

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

@MEBengalsFan2001 you are literally basing all of your arguments off of speculation....do you assume every 1vX is somebody cheating? and again what console are you on?

WOW! You really didn't read what I wrote so go back to and reread what I wrote. I didn't say everybody cheats in PVP. I made a point of stating around 10%. But even if only 1% cheat, it is still an issue that needs to be addressed and fixed.

I done plenty of 1v1 and had my butt handed to me and I'm fine with that. But when someone is able to do the same moves constantly even when lag pops up for others it is clear they are using a device like the one I listed to get an advantage.

Einstein_ wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

@MEBengalsFan2001 you use lag as a reason that perfect execution in your opinion, is not possible..is it also a reason that perhaps on your end it seemed like all the attacks hit at once etc? good for the goose good for the gander, right? And am I reading into this correctly in that you discount all skill and experience in a player being able to execute rotations on you and blame it all on mods or cheats? What console do you play on? Must be xbox, because in my 6 years of pvp play on PS I don't recall ever coming across anyone using cheats..so maybe it is just not as common..though I have been accused and know many others who have been accused just for killing somebody.......Also, the dynamic nature of pvp kinda limits the usefulness for macros imho...

I'm going to flip it back to you on skill. So you believe that players are capable of perfectly executing 3-4 abilities within one second and chain them again and again to kill multiple players around them without any chance of a error? I find that in itself is logically flawed because of the process to get the skill to trigger you first have human input into a device (controller/keyboard), than you have that device input into the system (PC/Console), and finally that data has to travel to the server.

There is so many variables that can go wrong such as the human input hitting the wrong button, the device not properly receiving the signal or not sending the signal, etc... Technology isn't perfect and neither can a player be unless they are abusing the system to gain an advantage. Even professionals make mistakes, its called being human as being human is to error.

So when I do see someone doing perfect execution constantly even when pressured by a group and they wipe a group especially when the group ends up with similar items killing them in a very short window, its probably a player cheating.

I don't know for certain but it feels like daily I run into maybe one or two player that are using modded device, sometimes there are more but usually you can tell.

There are other cheats I have seen on console and don't know how the players do these. I was with a friend and there was one player anytime we got next to him we both lagged out. We moved 10m or further from that player we had no lag. We were in a group and each person experienced the same thing near that player. I've seen this happen a few times with various players. The term that is used for this is called lag switching, Not sure how this is capable on console but I have witness it a few times and quite frankly it annoying and if the player is doing this they should be banned indefinitely.

idk i would say you are the typical example of thinking you know alot but you acually dont.....ppl are way better then you so they must be cheaters...

idk if you ever noticed but YOU DONT NEED THE INPUT TO BE PERFECT !!!!, ESO has a que for your inputs...so if you press your LA/skills ect a little before the CCD acually ends it gets qued and fires of perfectly....
or did you acually think ppl on dummy press there LAs in a pefect sub 100ms rotation ?...

sorry to tell you, but YOU are one of the resons so many especially new players think ESO is flooded with cheaters. But acually you just dont know enugh of the game...

Go back and reread what I wrote about the % of people cheating. It is a very small %. I'm just explaining what I have witness in this game when I play. For all the players I face seeing 1 or 2 day cheating a day is a very small % of the population. As for how someone by passes the ICD, its probably just like how anyone hacks a system and gets what they want from it.

I use to play DCUO and someone I knew was easily hacking that game and getting extremely rare items and getting a level 1 character to end game in about 5 minutes. So hacking can be done in a mmo, even on consoles. And the % of people truly hacking the game to cheat is probably a very small percent of the overall population.

All I have done here is explain what I have seen in this game while playing it and my thoughts on it based on my experience.

i read what you said and that 1% is the good players ppl are talking about. My Killcounter addon tells me that i killed 23000 different caracters in ESO since i play and NON of them where cheating...all what i said before is still true, you jsut dont have the game Knowlage to see that these ppl are not cheating.

funny that also nobody ever shows videos of this cheating or combat logs.... its just always this claims without any backup..

(dont come with that positioning hacks we know that this exists, even i never saw it myself in this 7000h playtime)

Kryptonite_Kent

milllaurie wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Just listen to yourself. Autododge stuns. Ok. Reverb bash costs 2700 stam. Your rolldodge costs 3500 on a good day and ramps up in cost every time you use it.
By your theory all I have to do is try using reverberating bash on you a few times and you are out of stam dodging it.
Sorry, you do not need to be Einstein to see your logic is flawed.
Good players are that good because they know WHAT and WHEN to dodge. They make the decision judging many factors. They do it many times a second. Like this calculation I just made is not some astrophysics. Way better way to not get stunned is to block the stun if you anticipate/see it coming since it costs around 1500 stam on non sword and shield bar. Or, if you just saw your opponent consume his ult just get stunned and take your cc immunity for 7 seconds and use it to pull off your combo.
Since they just used their ult it is less likely they can use a defensive one so my combo might succeed.
I would only try to avoid the stun if I knew my opponent has his ult.

The other day I was fighting a magsorc. Actually one of the top players on my platform/server. I was on my stamden. He would dodge/walk through me/streak my every dizzying swing. Because he knew a stamden burst can one shot him. My dizzy-medium attack stuns him them DB and sub lands on him while he is on the ground so he can't block, followed by executioneer bash cancelled gg. That did not happen since he was very smart about it.

Being smart about when to avoid/take stuns is the key of player success. No trainer/3rd party program/whatever can't judge better than yourself.

Most of the cheat accusations come from players who like to pvp but don't know how. Good players spot good gameplay. Ask yourself: "how many duels did I do with my pvp guildies?", "How many times did I perfect my offensive combo on a dummy?", "How many times have I pushed my limits against more opponents?".
Because there are people who do all the time. They do not need any 3rd party programs to kill the ones who accuse them of cheating.

The fact that you think people dont spam dodge roll in pvp also kinda proves that you dont pvp much, and youre not gonna run someone out of stamina making them dodge roll unless they are just standing there like a noob and not using LOS

Larcomar wrote: »

It's good to see that this thread has finally honed in on the REAL issue plaguing ESO. It's not the people who cheat who are the problem. It's the TOXIC people who flag it up. They're actually a bigger detriment to the community than the TINY amount of players that are actually cheating.

@Kryptonite_Kent [snip] I did watch your video. [snip]

That's not a guy using a hack programme to cheat. If you were a "pro" you'd recognise that that's someone's who's spent thousands upon thousands of hours to MASTER the game.

He's know's exactly WHAT to do, WHEN to do it and makes HUNDREDS of calculations a second, judging THOUSANDS of different factors. He know's exactly what you're going to do before you do it. In fact, he know's what you're going to do before you've even thought about it. He's that good.

Sure, some of that stuff may look [snip] unreal. But he's got a pro PVP build see. You won't find it on youtube. And I'm not going to tell you the sets. Serious PVPers know about this stuff but aren't going to share. It takes MONTHS of research and YEARS of testing to put them together.

Now, I know you're going to spout some nonsense about the guy being invulnerable to damage. Disappearing under the ground when he gets low health. Or flying. That's just a good player getting hit by a glitch. It could happen to ANYONE. It's not cheating.

And, even if he were maybe exploiting that glitch, well, exploiting isn't cheating. Contrary to popular belief, cheating and exploitation are NOT the same thing. Sure they can both give you unfair advantages but they are ENTIRELY different. Using a broken set is not cheating lol. Exploits are inherent in games and are ENTIRELY the developers fault for their existence.

Glad that we sorted that out...

[edited for baiting]

I'm hoping this is sarcasm lol