How many people actually cheat?

Kryptonite_Kent

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Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Just listen to yourself. Autododge stuns. Ok. Reverb bash costs 2700 stam. Your rolldodge costs 3500 on a good day and ramps up in cost every time you use it.
By your theory all I have to do is try using reverberating bash on you a few times and you are out of stam dodging it.
Sorry, you do not need to be Einstein to see your logic is flawed.
Good players are that good because they know WHAT and WHEN to dodge. They make the decision judging many factors. They do it many times a second. Like this calculation I just made is not some astrophysics. Way better way to not get stunned is to block the stun if you anticipate/see it coming since it costs around 1500 stam on non sword and shield bar. Or, if you just saw your opponent consume his ult just get stunned and take your cc immunity for 7 seconds and use it to pull off your combo.
Since they just used their ult it is less likely they can use a defensive one so my combo might succeed.
I would only try to avoid the stun if I knew my opponent has his ult.

The other day I was fighting a magsorc. Actually one of the top players on my platform/server. I was on my stamden. He would dodge/walk through me/streak my every dizzying swing. Because he knew a stamden burst can one shot him. My dizzy-medium attack stuns him them DB and sub lands on him while he is on the ground so he can't block, followed by executioneer bash cancelled gg. That did not happen since he was very smart about it.

Being smart about when to avoid/take stuns is the key of player success. No trainer/3rd party program/whatever can't judge better than yourself.

Most of the cheat accusations come from players who like to pvp but don't know how. Good players spot good gameplay. Ask yourself: "how many duels did I do with my pvp guildies?", "How many times did I perfect my offensive combo on a dummy?", "How many times have I pushed my limits against more opponents?".
Because there are people who do all the time. They do not need any 3rd party programs to kill the ones who accuse them of cheating.

Read the post above yours... Miats used to actually do this, its not autoblocking everything, its autoblocking / dodging specific things like gap closing stuns... I mean I literally posted a video of someone hacking with a trainer and you come in here telling me no one could do this stuff, [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Miats would never auto dodge or auto block. It would show you a notification about an attack being channeled. (Note - a skill with a cast time - snipe, heavy attack etc). This information has been long removed from the api hence made inaccessible. Well have you asked yourself the questions yet?
A thing about your trainer - it enables you to fly and noclip through textures. Let me ask you this - have you ever seen anyone in cyrodiil flying? I have once. The guy was insta banned.
You are calling people cheaters because they outplay and kill you, not because the fly or noclip. The trainer you posted has nothing to do with people knowing how to kite, manage their resources and kill weaker players. It only enables you to do stupid stuff with flying and clipping through textures.

Einstein_ wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

I am sure it is possible to create a "3th party tool" which is able to do that... its not looking into the future. ESO acually sends a message to the clint showing that somebody is about to DB you for exmaple ( cast time on ultis, addons are able to show it even). Ontop of that i am unsure if the dodging is handled server side, if not it can be manipulated. Everything which is clint side can be manipulated in theory.....

Also its certently possible to create "hacks" which change your position, since aperantly thats also clint side...walking through walls/flying ect....we also saw that happen in a video somebody posted.


now it comes a BIG BUT.

I have about 5000h of pure PvP playtime in the last 1.5 years and i didnt saw a single cheater myself.....But i get "you are a cheater messages" every 3h of playing cyro in avg. So while its in theory possible to cheat atleast 99% of the claims are just wrong, like already pointed out by others there is just a hugh skill gap between players. Also ZoS never said what this 200+ ppl who got banned acually did. Maybe it was jsut some bot gold farmers, since nomraly ppl start to invest time in hacks if they can earn some RL money (Gold selling).

also exploiting is not cheating. In the last year i can remeber of a few exampels...
- self revive with doungon que
- glitching through doors
- call of the Undertake
- miss calculation with DC DMG
- Desynced dmg in combination with slow projectiles/lag (still in the game)
- .....list go on and on

Exploiting isnt cheating?? lmaoooo... ok no, thats not how that works... exploiting is cheating, hacking is cheating, but hacking isnt exploiting... I think youre confused about what cheating is and isnt, because exploiting is 100% considered cheating by every MMO out there, it usually just depends on the severity and your intent on if you get in trouble or not

jerj6925

i read what you said and that 1% is the good players ppl are talking about. My Killcounter addon tells me that i killed 23000 different caracters in ESO since i play and NON of them where cheating...all what i said before is still true, you jsut dont have the game Knowlage to see that these ppl are not cheating.

funny that also nobody ever shows videos of this cheating or combat logs.... its just always this claims without any backup..

(dont come with that positioning hacks we know that this exists, even i never saw it myself in this 7000h playtime)[/quote]

Cheating is a multi-billion dollar industry worldwide, you are a fool to deny it when there is so much in the gaming news about it and its really not hard to find at all. The cheating is also getting more and more sophisticated to the point gaming companies don’t have the capital to fend it off, to try and do so would make games so expensive no one would really be able to afford it. The new tech out there is incorporating AI to monitor a game situation and to auto deploy or use abilities to counter what’s happening faster than what a human gamer can do. The sad thing is people actually think they are not cheating with this equipment but just using better hardware that anyone can use and if you choose not to well that’s on you... like losing a Nasar race, get a better car if you keep losing.

When I can stun a player and in just the break free animation they will fully heal and instantly kill me because they got off 5+ attack abilities off before I can even do one other ability after I stunned them…. Please, people are smarter than this. This game is saturated with cheating and the server desync is really just a cover becuase they cant counter it.

Why do people not post videos of the cheating, because when you do you are guilty of name and shame and you get punished not the ones committing the offense. I have sent in videos on people I caught cheating and you know what? They are still playing the game doing the same thing, nothing happen to them.

Here is the last thing I will say on this, Gamming tournaments were very puzzled in the past when they would host competitions about how players were so much better outside of the tournament then they were at the tournament. The first suspicion was perhaps its just nerves so they would have the players just play in room isolated from an audience but again the performance never matched how they did outside of the tournament, a long story short discovered most of these players were using cheating devices that simply helped them do better than the rest, without them they didn’t play so well so they had to come up with other ways of screening people for tournaments. Again, it’s a multi-billion dollar industry world wide and its only growing bigger every year.

Games need to change in a way they are played that makes the current devices useless.

Kryptonite_Kent

milllaurie wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Just listen to yourself. Autododge stuns. Ok. Reverb bash costs 2700 stam. Your rolldodge costs 3500 on a good day and ramps up in cost every time you use it.
By your theory all I have to do is try using reverberating bash on you a few times and you are out of stam dodging it.
Sorry, you do not need to be Einstein to see your logic is flawed.
Good players are that good because they know WHAT and WHEN to dodge. They make the decision judging many factors. They do it many times a second. Like this calculation I just made is not some astrophysics. Way better way to not get stunned is to block the stun if you anticipate/see it coming since it costs around 1500 stam on non sword and shield bar. Or, if you just saw your opponent consume his ult just get stunned and take your cc immunity for 7 seconds and use it to pull off your combo.
Since they just used their ult it is less likely they can use a defensive one so my combo might succeed.
I would only try to avoid the stun if I knew my opponent has his ult.

The other day I was fighting a magsorc. Actually one of the top players on my platform/server. I was on my stamden. He would dodge/walk through me/streak my every dizzying swing. Because he knew a stamden burst can one shot him. My dizzy-medium attack stuns him them DB and sub lands on him while he is on the ground so he can't block, followed by executioneer bash cancelled gg. That did not happen since he was very smart about it.

Being smart about when to avoid/take stuns is the key of player success. No trainer/3rd party program/whatever can't judge better than yourself.

Most of the cheat accusations come from players who like to pvp but don't know how. Good players spot good gameplay. Ask yourself: "how many duels did I do with my pvp guildies?", "How many times did I perfect my offensive combo on a dummy?", "How many times have I pushed my limits against more opponents?".
Because there are people who do all the time. They do not need any 3rd party programs to kill the ones who accuse them of cheating.

Read the post above yours... Miats used to actually do this, its not autoblocking everything, its autoblocking / dodging specific things like gap closing stuns... I mean I literally posted a video of someone hacking with a trainer and you come in here telling me no one could do this stuff, [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Miats would never auto dodge or auto block. It would show you a notification about an attack being channeled. (Note - a skill with a cast time - snipe, heavy attack etc). This information has been long removed from the api hence made inaccessible. Well have you asked yourself the questions yet?
A thing about your trainer - it enables you to fly and noclip through textures. Let me ask you this - have you ever seen anyone in cyrodiil flying? I have once. The guy was insta banned.
You are calling people cheaters because they outplay and kill you, not because the fly or noclip. The trainer you posted has nothing to do with people knowing how to kite, manage their resources and kill weaker players. It only enables you to do stupid stuff with flying and clipping through textures.

Dont put words in my mouth, I never once said I think people who kill me are cheating, not one time... and if you actaully watched the video and looked at what that trainer does its a lot more than flying, terrain hacking.. look at the tabs when he opens them, it has no death at a certain HP, become untargetable, hold attacks from firing to use all at once (which another person has a video showing this in action where you can hold certain attacks and then fire them off all at once, and he did it with a proc ability).... so yeah theres a lot more than terrain hacks... I seriously dont get why anyone in their right mind is in here denying this stuff when presented with actual evidence lol

PvP_Exploiter

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Theres definitely some kind of script that a select few people are running in pvp that autododges when you go to use a stun ability... they dont dodge hardly at all, but go to use a stun ability, even if they arent looking, or even if you spam it, and they will dodge roll like a bot, definitely not legit... also seen some that instead of using a dodge script will have a stun/fear script when you attempt to stun them... and dont try to say people are just reacting to certain abilities, no one would see every stun coming at them every time and hit a dodge roll every time with perfect timing

What you are describing is a program the can predict the future. Obviously cheating does happen considering the recent bans, but this is being blown massively out of proportion. Let’s at least keep our cheating accusations realistic, because this is genuinely unproductive at this point.

The side of this you guys don’t see is that a lot of players have spent a lot of time and effort mastering the mechanics of this game. The incessant accusations of cheating whenever someone see’s a player animation cancelling has genuinely become TOXIC.

Perhaps you should watch the video I linked directly above you before you start claiming this type of hacking isnt realistic... because it is... the video doesnt lie... also dont give me that "people been playing for years and became masters" line, I've been playing since 2015, I know cheats when I see them

The video you posted shows a program that is without a doubt against TOS, but think about what you said; a program that dodge rolls in response to your opponents CC would need to predict the future, which is obviously impossible. I've stated several times that I understand cheating does happen, but I genuinely think it is happening on a much smaller scale than people in this forum believe. I honestly think that the non-stop accusations of cheating are a bigger detriment to this community than the tiny amount of players that are actually cheating.

There have already been programs that do this, Miats for one before ZoS made them change it... so again, its completely possible to autododge or autoblock, and to program it to do to it against specific abilities... burying your head in the sand doesnt make this stuff cease to exist

Just listen to yourself. Autododge stuns. Ok. Reverb bash costs 2700 stam. Your rolldodge costs 3500 on a good day and ramps up in cost every time you use it.
By your theory all I have to do is try using reverberating bash on you a few times and you are out of stam dodging it.
Sorry, you do not need to be Einstein to see your logic is flawed.
Good players are that good because they know WHAT and WHEN to dodge. They make the decision judging many factors. They do it many times a second. Like this calculation I just made is not some astrophysics. Way better way to not get stunned is to block the stun if you anticipate/see it coming since it costs around 1500 stam on non sword and shield bar. Or, if you just saw your opponent consume his ult just get stunned and take your cc immunity for 7 seconds and use it to pull off your combo.
Since they just used their ult it is less likely they can use a defensive one so my combo might succeed.
I would only try to avoid the stun if I knew my opponent has his ult.

The other day I was fighting a magsorc. Actually one of the top players on my platform/server. I was on my stamden. He would dodge/walk through me/streak my every dizzying swing. Because he knew a stamden burst can one shot him. My dizzy-medium attack stuns him them DB and sub lands on him while he is on the ground so he can't block, followed by executioneer bash cancelled gg. That did not happen since he was very smart about it.

Being smart about when to avoid/take stuns is the key of player success. No trainer/3rd party program/whatever can't judge better than yourself.

Most of the cheat accusations come from players who like to pvp but don't know how. Good players spot good gameplay. Ask yourself: "how many duels did I do with my pvp guildies?", "How many times did I perfect my offensive combo on a dummy?", "How many times have I pushed my limits against more opponents?".
Because there are people who do all the time. They do not need any 3rd party programs to kill the ones who accuse them of cheating.

Read the post above yours... Miats used to actually do this, its not autoblocking everything, its autoblocking / dodging specific things like gap closing stuns... I mean I literally posted a video of someone hacking with a trainer and you come in here telling me no one could do this stuff, [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Miats would never auto dodge or auto block. It would show you a notification about an attack being channeled. (Note - a skill with a cast time - snipe, heavy attack etc). This information has been long removed from the api hence made inaccessible. Well have you asked yourself the questions yet?
A thing about your trainer - it enables you to fly and noclip through textures. Let me ask you this - have you ever seen anyone in cyrodiil flying? I have once. The guy was insta banned.
You are calling people cheaters because they outplay and kill you, not because the fly or noclip. The trainer you posted has nothing to do with people knowing how to kite, manage their resources and kill weaker players. It only enables you to do stupid stuff with flying and clipping through textures.

Dont put words in my mouth, I never once said I think people who kill me are cheating, not one time... and if you actaully watched the video and looked at what that trainer does its a lot more than flying, terrain hacking.. look at the tabs when he opens them, it has no death at a certain HP, become untargetable, hold attacks from firing to use all at once (which another person has a video showing this in action where you can hold certain attacks and then fire them off all at once, and he did it with a proc ability).... so yeah theres a lot more than terrain hacks... I seriously dont get why anyone in their right mind is in here denying this stuff when presented with actual evidence lol

Hard to follow so excuse me if you made this point earlier.
Are you saying the evidence is that cheating is possible, or happening? Also a lot of those could just be for show on a video, they are people of chaos after all.

If anyone has their own video evidence of someone cheating, in PvP, then I would be interested and please PM me links.

Also have to remember there are different communities and platforms. While no observations of cheats have appeared on my server during my prime time, during Australian or Asian prime time there is another full server of players. With very different circumstances.

Psiion

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