Macro

Soul_Demon

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I haven’t seen a shred of evidence that anyone is using macros to get a combat advantage. There was one screenshot of a log that showed skill use slightly slower than the GCD, without even giving time stamps to accurately determine how much slower. 99% chance this was a player pressing keys to use skills.

I’d strongly caution against asking for more server checks to detect such things. Before cheat engine existed Cyrodiil was incredibly smooth. There would be hundreds of players fighting over keeps, and little to no lag. Obviously cheating couldn’t be allowed, so ZOS was forced to shift many calculations from the client to the server. It was never designed to handle all of that, and the result was that Cyrodiil lag has been a problem ever since. Cheat engine effectively ruined PVP for everyone.

I don’t think a tin foil hat theory about macros justifies additional server checks and calculations. It will just make the game run worse for everyone. I’d prefer if nobody used macros, but I also believe they are detrimental to the user and have little to no effect on others (still uses skills within the GCD). I’d lose a fight to a good player much quicker than to a macro.

So, if I understand you completely you recommend others not bother investigating any violations of the TOS due to your personal feeling that macros may not help.....and of course if you view the logs and see undeniable use of them its just a tin foil hat and not at all as real as your gut feelings on the matter so everyone should drop it for fear that ZOS's remedy causes problems. The things provided up to now for you are just not specific enough nor do they prove to you (a game player here and not ZOS employee or representative) that this needs to be even talked about and you even caution us due to the high chance it would simply explode like an atom bomb and ruin the game forever if ZOS were to look into the logs......Do I have that right?

Ok....not sure if that will work but lets see how that goes over.

NoSoup

There are some incredibly nieve views in this thread, either these people are actively using said macros and don't want ZOS pressured into detecting them or are just wow, really nieve.

A simple google search for light attack weaving macro will show there are numerous macros being shared online that automatically fire off a light attack before a skill and some that are even smart enough to queue them so if the player is using the next skill before the GCD is over it will hold off to fire both the LA and skill until GCD is over.

This is a big part of why I've withdrawn a lot from the game and not playing as much as I use to. In my mind its fairly easy to detech the players in my guilds using these macros. They're the ones that are always standing in red, make your eyes bleed in trying to show them the mechanics of certain trials/vDLC yet somehow manage near perfect rotations with over 90% LA weaving success.....yet can never manage to see the mechanic cues....

WrathOfInnos

Soul_Demon wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I haven’t seen a shred of evidence that anyone is using macros to get a combat advantage. There was one screenshot of a log that showed skill use slightly slower than the GCD, without even giving time stamps to accurately determine how much slower. 99% chance this was a player pressing keys to use skills.

I’d strongly caution against asking for more server checks to detect such things. Before cheat engine existed Cyrodiil was incredibly smooth. There would be hundreds of players fighting over keeps, and little to no lag. Obviously cheating couldn’t be allowed, so ZOS was forced to shift many calculations from the client to the server. It was never designed to handle all of that, and the result was that Cyrodiil lag has been a problem ever since. Cheat engine effectively ruined PVP for everyone.

I don’t think a tin foil hat theory about macros justifies additional server checks and calculations. It will just make the game run worse for everyone. I’d prefer if nobody used macros, but I also believe they are detrimental to the user and have little to no effect on others (still uses skills within the GCD). I’d lose a fight to a good player much quicker than to a macro.

So, if I understand you completely you recommend others not bother investigating any violations of the TOS due to your personal feeling that macros may not help.....and of course if you view the logs and see undeniable use of them its just a tin foil hat and not at all as real as your gut feelings on the matter so everyone should drop it for fear that ZOS's remedy causes problems. The things provided up to now for you are just not specific enough nor do they prove to you (a game player here and not ZOS employee or representative) that this needs to be even talked about and you even caution us due to the high chance it would simply explode like an atom bomb and ruin the game forever if ZOS were to look into the logs......Do I have that right?

Ok....not sure if that will work but lets see how that goes over.

Nope, that’s not at all what I said. Try reading it again?

People certainly use macros, and it makes them worse at the game. The times you seemingly get hit by more skills than the GCD will allow are a lag issue (in part caused by the anti-cheat measures I described), not a macro issue.

Feel free to investigate and report anyone you want. Ban all the macro users for all I care, maybe they’ll start a new account and learn to play. If you have any evidence I’d personally be interested in seeing it (the log screenshot earlier in this thread did not indicate macro use) but more importantly send it to ZOS. I don’t think any additional burden should be placed on the server to fix this non-issue.