[Datamine] Dagonic Quasigriff Mount

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Iarao wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

So we're now getting some new quasigryphon creature - which is just a reskin of the awful heavyweight model. Yet still no sight of a normal welwa, echatere, netch, silt strider, wamasu or any of the other animals in Tamriel that are used as mounts.

there is a strider kind of mount. looks like a bug. not a fan. but did you say netch? unfortunately it would need to be a quasi netch so it cant fly. ok well glide. but still not on the ground.

@Iarao No, there're Nix-oxes, but no small silt striders. Like these:

And no a netch wouldn't need to be a "quasi" because they levitate/float. They don't fly around like a gryphon. They would work the same was the flying pets would, which is that it's a sort of invisible pillar under them which only make it look like they fly/float.

SickleCider

The choice of skeleton doesn't have me convinced. I think the senche skeleton, enlarged, would have been better. The details are beautiful, though. I'm a fan of all the subtle color gradations they've been doing lately.

magnusthorek

Fischblut wrote: »

Thank you for this datamine!

As owner of many Griffons in GW2, I am not satisfied by this Griff... Beautiful flying bird-cats



versus clunky non-flying bird-cat

But I really like the fluffy feathery tail of Quasigriff. And the fact that this mount can be earned by doing events Very nice, for an event reward!
And such a long wait time for those events If next event, Midyear Mayhem, is in June (!) for the last part of the personality...

Yeah, GW2 might be a bit childish to someone's eyes, and it's bugged, unstable and full of idiots that prejudice the gameplay, but the mounting system is impressive. Not only allows MANY creative styles (for those who don't know, ArenaNet transformed a beetle into an armadillo and a manta ray into a hummingbird just by reskinning them) but adds a nice and entertaining way to go from point A to point B (despite the achievements-tied races. I hate races)

Faulgor

I don't mind the re-skins. The Senche-raht skeleton is my favourite mount type, although what I really want is just a proper Welwa ...

Iccotak

James-Wayne wrote: »

Maybe this is the mount for the Hammerfell chapter next year because Summerset and Elsweyr is done and dusted.

2019: Canyon/Jungle

2020: Snow/Dark Caverns

2021: Swamp/Firescape

yeah I could see a Desert (along with some water & Sailing theme) for next year to contrast from the swamp, and there is still alot of Hammerfell yet to be explored. Also does the amor on that mount look reminiscent of Redguard style?

Redguard imagery does show some kind of gryphon, so it would make sense that maybe they have some type of breed of gryphons.

Faulgor wrote: »

I don't mind the re-skins. The Senche-raht skeleton is my favourite mount type, although what I really want is just a proper Welwa ...

I want a Wamasu mount when ZOS gets around to doing a full on Black Marsh chapter

miteba

It looks really amazing! But i am still waiting/hoping for an Scorpion mount

Alaztor91

If Weregryphons existed it would look like this.

LightYagami

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

Iccotak

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

TES lore is different that real world mythology. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gryphon

Gryphons in ES are not "hybrid animals", they have characteristics of other animals but are not directly related to those animals. We will find out more about this Quasigriff in the future.

The winged gryphon looks more like a four legged eagle and does not have lion-like hind limbs. The Quasigriff spends all time on the land so it is adapted differently.

phantasmalD

The feather details are very nicely done, but I could def do with less jacked and narrower front leg-stance; they look good on Senche-Rahts but here they seem pretty awkward.
We already had a decent Gryphon model, I don't know why you didn't use that one.

LightYagami

Iccotak wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

TES lore is different that real world mythology. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gryphon

Gryphons in ES are not "hybrid animals", they have characteristics of other animals but are not directly related to those animals. We will find out more about this Quasigriff in the future.

The winged gryphon looks more like a four legged eagle and does not have lion-like hind limbs. The Quasigriff spends all time on the land so it is adapted differently.

I was telling the guy about the real life design concepts of the new ESO mount. The design was originated from the legendary Griffin in the real world stories...

Shazanti

Oh wow.

I absolutely LOVE the head and neck, the detailwork with the feathers, and that tail! LOVE.

But...um...everything in between? What foul monstrosity is this? I mean, the saddle looks nice, but the body of the creature beneath it? Eww.

I've no problem with the lack of wings. I wish we could have winged/flying mounts in this game, sure- though what I really wish for is an Acrobatics skill so that my characters could actually *jump*, but I guess Acrobatics won't be figured out in Tamriel for a few hundred years yet. Anyway, no problem with it being wingless. Every problem with the absolutely freakywrong, seriously imbalanced skeleton.

SilverIce58

If it is created from an unstable morpholith, wouldn't the creature be daedric in origin? So maybe its from a daedric realm where it doesn't need wings to survive like Gryphons.

Iccotak

LightYagami wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

TES lore is different that real world mythology. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gryphon

Gryphons in ES are not "hybrid animals", they have characteristics of other animals but are not directly related to those animals. We will find out more about this Quasigriff in the future.

The winged gryphon looks more like a four legged eagle and does not have lion-like hind limbs. The Quasigriff spends all time on the land so it is adapted differently.

I was telling the guy about the real life design concepts of the new ESO mount. The design was originated from the legendary Griffin in the real world stories...

Yes and they had a reasonable question as to why a Quasigriff would have the hind limbs of a lion when other gryphons, in the TES franchise specifically, don't have that at all.

It is a reasonable question and not at all outlandish to ask. The artist who designed the TES Gryphon deliberately moved away from a design that looked like a half/half hybrid - so I am curious as well as to why the Quasigriff has such very different mammalian looking hindlimbs.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26429

For ESO's gryphons, Slominski believed the beasts needed to have some logic behind the way they look in game.

“Instead of approaching gryphons as a literal combination of two creatures, I started from scratch, envisioning a winged, four-legged predator, evolved for flight, and with traits you'd also happen to find in big cats and birds of prey."

@SammyKhajit correct me if I am wrong but is your question referring to consistency of in-game lore?

Lugaldu

The longer I look at this monstrosity, the less I like it. Apart from the missing wings, it looks as if they had no fun anymore to adapt the rear legs to the front legs, so they just left the original Senche-raht legs of the model.

Ekzorka

People asking for a gryphon mount, ZOS created it.
But also ZOS answered several times that they're not going to make any flying mount because of locations' design, so it wingless.

TheImperfect wrote: »

Looks fantastic, hope it is the morpholith mount.

Yes, this one will be for a tickets/morpholith evolution.
Dataminers also have found a white version.

Iccotak wrote: »

It is a reasonable question and not at all outlandish to ask. The artist who designed the TES Gryphon deliberately moved away from a design that looked like a half/half hybrid - so I am curious as well as to why the Quasigriff has such very different mammalian looking hindlimbs.

Quasigriff is another one magical hybrid, like mantikora and vvardvark. You can read the descriptions here:
https://eso-hub.com/en/collectibles/quasigriff
https://eso-hub.com/en/collectibles/dagonic-quasigriff

LightYagami

Iccotak wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

TES lore is different that real world mythology. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gryphon

Gryphons in ES are not "hybrid animals", they have characteristics of other animals but are not directly related to those animals. We will find out more about this Quasigriff in the future.

The winged gryphon looks more like a four legged eagle and does not have lion-like hind limbs. The Quasigriff spends all time on the land so it is adapted differently.

I was telling the guy about the real life design concepts of the new ESO mount. The design was originated from the legendary Griffin in the real world stories...

Yes and they had a reasonable question as to why a Quasigriff would have the hind limbs of a lion when other gryphons, in the TES franchise specifically, don't have that at all.

It is a reasonable question and not at all outlandish to ask. The artist who designed the TES Gryphon deliberately moved away from a design that looked like a half/half hybrid - so I am curious as well as to why the Quasigriff has such very different mammalian looking hindlimbs.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26429

For ESO's gryphons, Slominski believed the beasts needed to have some logic behind the way they look in game.

“Instead of approaching gryphons as a literal combination of two creatures, I started from scratch, envisioning a winged, four-legged predator, evolved for flight, and with traits you'd also happen to find in big cats and birds of prey."

@SammyKhajit correct me if I am wrong but is your question referring to consistency of in-game lore?

Okay let me clarify...
The guy mentioned legs of dogs, I was simply trying to tell him that it's not likely a dog, but lion as the design was likely taken reference to Griffin... I'm not talking about any ESO lore but only dog vs lion...

My focus is only DOG vs LION of this particular mount, not the lore or other ESO creatures...

By the way I guess they simply re-skinned the big cat mount and that's why this new mount looks like that...

SammyKhajit

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

Never heard of such tomfoolery in the lands of Elswyr

Also, you are taking this one’s comments too seriously. Have you ever heard of humour?


It’s “the ability to find things funny, the way in which people see that some things are funny, or the quality of being funny”

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/humour

Supreme_Atromancer

Faulgor wrote: »

I don't mind the re-skins. The Senche-raht skeleton is my favourite mount type, although what I really want is just a proper Welwa ...

Yeah, tbh, its not reskins per se. I understand that when they engage an artist for something new, they want to get as much out of it as possible. I just think some of them are over-used, low-effort and uninspired. A little effort and knowledge of the lore would help. What if we got something meaningful to the story, like an Archein Reaver Guar or Renrijira Riverlands Bounder rather than just Ice Guar, Fire Guar, Fungus Guar, Blah Guar. Sadly, despite 25 years of source material, ESO overlooks the unique, in order to rehash and overuse the generic; the depth of "lore" is a random name slapped on their whatever pet or mount and what reads like a half-arsed blurb that no one will ever think about again (my guess is its not the writer's fault - its probably a different department filling marketing niches who are MMO people and are really out of touch with TES - the writers just have a list of random stuff that's gonna go through anyway that they HAVE to somehow make feel lore-friendly).

The Raht frame was quirky and interesting for that one, unique type of thing. Rehashing its weird form for other stuff was gonna be a tough sell, and really just draws attention to the low-effort nature of it. Yeah, its a "Quasigriff" with a random lore-name stamped on, but let's be real - they are selling us a gryphon, because that's what people were asking for. No one was asking for "skipped-leg-day birdie-raht."

LightYagami

SammyKhajit wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

Never heard of such tomfoolery in the lands of Elswyr

Also, you are taking this one’s comments too seriously. Have you ever heard of humour?


It’s “the ability to find things funny, the way in which people see that some things are funny, or the quality of being funny”

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/humour

Oh thank you. I just noticed that it's really interesting and funny!!!
Amazing!!!
Nice good humour

Supreme_Atromancer

Iccotak wrote: »

Yes and they had a reasonable question as to why a Quasigriff would have the hind limbs of a lion when other gryphons, in the TES franchise specifically, don't have that at all.

It is a reasonable question and not at all outlandish to ask. The artist who designed the TES Gryphon deliberately moved away from a design that looked like a half/half hybrid - so I am curious as well as to why the Quasigriff has such very different mammalian looking hindlimbs.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26429

@SammyKhajit correct me if I am wrong but is your question referring to consistency of in-game lore?

Slominski did a great job with his Gryphons, and it shows that he put a LOT of thought into the concept. I think he hit the nail right on the head.

Just for argument's sake, there's a fine line between verisimilitude and over-rationalising. The Duck-Billed Platypus is an excellent example of a weird, hybrid beast that if you had never heard of, and read about in a fantasy book, you might come to the conclusion that the writer had never bothered to make feel even remotely realistic or believable. The forces of environment on organisms over millennia might be understood in retrospect, but no caveman could have looked at the first proto-marsupial and anticipated the very real evolutionary forces that produced the cute little bird-beaked beaver thing with poisoned talons and electric-current-generating snout, and neither should writers have to.

We could say that its convergent evolution and that the Quasigriff is named for its superficial resemblance, but its not actually closely related. I'd love to know that it was a deliberate design choice, but my guess is that the people doing the Quasigriff might have forgotten about the design principles of the Gryphon.

GreenHere

zaria wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

It......has no wings? Even if they just fluttered in the wind....a bird mount with no wings is weird....

Ostrich riding is a* thing, the problem is that you can not control them.

(emphasis mine; and I had to fix that typo because it's an pet peeve of mine)



Well not with that attitude, @zaria ! You gotta give them rigorous hand signals and whatnot to let them know where you want them to go!

colossalvoids

Just remembering how heavyweights are... ehm, running? with expedition and full mount speed upgraded makes me dislike it before actually mounting.

SammyKhajit

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

The hind legs look like dogs.

A hawk dog hybrid?? If it’s an event freebie... maybe this one will grind for a free mount... but it’s really not appealing to be honest.

Have you not heard about what "Griffin" is?
It's a hybrid of eagle and lion.
FYI:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

Never heard of such tomfoolery in the lands of Elswyr

Also, you are taking this one’s comments too seriously. Have you ever heard of humour?


It’s “the ability to find things funny, the way in which people see that some things are funny, or the quality of being funny”

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/humour

Oh thank you. I just noticed that it's really interesting and funny!!!
Amazing!!!
Nice good humour

Thank you! This one is very grateful that you have the good grace to concede

Fischblut

Just remembering how heavyweights are... ehm, running? with expedition and full mount speed upgraded makes me dislike it before actually mounting.

I also dislike the basic running of Senche-Raht.
But since changes to Major Gallop (so that it's permanently activated from passive) and getting +10% mount speed from CPs, I started to enjoy that hilarious gait at such high speed I extremely rarely use my Senche-raht, but I was really surprised when I tried it with those changes.

Kredo

Yet another Senche-Raht reskin aka the mounts with, by far, the worst running animation

SickleCider

In defense of the Senche-Raht's gait, what struck me the first time I mounted one is that, as opposed to other mounts, they utilize length of stride to achieve speed, and there's a believable follow through. It's a bit cartoony, and it makes some players sea sick, but it's a well done animation. . . .

. . . That is too unique to be used for other creatures.

SydneyGrey

Kredo wrote: »

Yet another Senche-Raht reskin aka the mounts with, by far, the worst running animation

I disagree. That honor applies to the bear.
I like the senche-raht's animations. I can't stand being on a bear for more than a minute at a time, though, which is a shame since they look awesome.

KalyanLazair

I share the same sentiment as others. It looks okayish, but the fact this is a senche-raht reskin and it has no wings is very off putting. It doesn't really need to fly, they could just make it so it opens its wings when jumping and I'd honestly be happy enough with it. I really wanted a gryphoon mount but this is not exactly what I had in mind.

Lugaldu

KalyanLazair wrote: »

I really wanted a gryphoon mount but this is not exactly what I had in mind.

Probably nobody who dreamed of a griffin mount had something like that in mind ...