Another event where support roles are denied loot from world bosses. Come on ZOS...

Fischblut

Solution. Solo the WB

Perfect time to solo world boss

zaria

Healers get rewarded for heals, however then its 50 on the boss people don't have time to take damage.

However this tend to be an first day problems with events so I focusing on getting the tickets that day.

LanteanPegasus

To all the people who basically say "just get good" or "adjust your gear": It doesn't work that easily due to simple math.

When there are 20 to 40+ people around a boss (and there often are during at least the first days of the event), then 8 to 28+ people won't get loot from it, no matter what they do. If you don't respec more or less everything from your tank(y) or healer(y) build the chance is much bigger to be one of the 8 to 28+ than to be one of the lucky dozen (because that's taken up by all those DPS guys that are otherwise waiting in dungeon queues for those scarce few idiots of us who actually bother with tank/healer ).
Of course that's more or less only a problem for people who don't own characters of all types, but those people aren't that scarce in ESO I think.

Jaimeh

B0SSzombie wrote: »

I wonder which is faster to grind, nAS or nAS+2? I would imagine the latter, but only if your group is fairly well coordinated...

With a PUG guaranteed nAS+0 will be easier and faster, I did a run with a zone group earlier, and there were so many deaths on the last boss... if it was +2, it would have fallen apart.

RedMuse

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

JJMaxx1980 wrote: »

You want this event to be for everyone but when I wait for a world boss I heal and buff and debuff and use my destro staff and I get nothing. My friend who’s a tank experiences the same thing. This is not a good experience for 2/3 of your player base.

👀 We aren't 1/3 or we have more people would complain

I guess that depends on how you add up the numbers. Technically I have a tank and two healers, but I never take the tank to events and my healers swap gears and abilities and fake mag DDs for the duration.

Brrrofski

Just put damage gear and skills on? Use a different character?

Who runs around as a tank or healer?

Kwoung

I am not convinced that the drops are granted to the top 12 contributors. We run WB runs every Friday in our guild and there are usually 20-24 people in group. The 12 that get loot varies wildly, I have both received loot and not, being one of the top DPS, while a level 10 taking a couple pot shots did get loot. I have received loot with a single light attack on many occasions.

In short, I think there is a great amount of randomness involved, but with 50 people all taking shots at a WB, chances are better than not you won't get anything. Had the same issue in Wrothgar when camping the Pale Order ring bit I needed, I was doing serious DPS and not getting to loot times more times than I did.

phileunderx2

Today getting loot on a dps is iffy. Best way to get stuff is from the quest coffers. So run your entire account through the quests.

VaranisArano

The Molag Bal simulacrum gives loots to 12 players at random, not just the top 12 DPS. So for all the players saying "just play a DD" consider that if there are more than 12 players, someone isn't getting loot. How is that fair?

As for ZOS, hey, you explicitly removed that loot limit for big group bosses like Dragons. How about you update the bosses in older content so that players don't miss out during events?

Rampeal

Let's face it. Zos caters to DPS players only. This is seen with their constant nerfs to healing and defensive sets and abilities. Even going so far to decrease healing by 50% in PvP and giving out sets that give near constant defile abilities with little to no effort of application.

They actually give people more incentive to be DPS than a support role.

Hapexamendios

Even on a middling DPS build you're not going to get anything from World Bosses. Just too many people and a stupid loot limit.

UntilValhalla13

Just drop a destro and throw down a blockade the second it respawns. Chances are, you're probably not even going to be able to see it because of the lag, so you need to use ground dots/ultis.

Skykaiser_Ọlọrun

Brrrofski wrote: »

Who runs around as a tank or healer?

People who enjoy being tanks and healers.

Sju

DukeCybran wrote: »

Yea. Only those who deal damage in the top 20 are qualified to loot.

Thia hasn't been the case for a long time. All you need to do is 3% damage, this was changed way back when.

AcadianPaladin

My magsorc dps was waiting for the Imperfect to spawn for the daily this morning. There were probably 50-60 players waiting but most of them were spamming ground AoEs. Once the boss spawned, I realized why. I cast surge and tapped my ult. The ult didn't go because by the time it registered there was no target. No kidding - the boss lasted less than 2-3 seconds. I didn't get any loot but got my quest completed, coffers, etc. No complaints - in fact I thought it was hilarious. I know it will ease later in the event. With all the extra loot in all those coffers, who cares?

driosketch

This is an issue just in CWC, right? (Why is that?) There were just 3 others at the WB in Vvardenfell.

UGotBenched91

Brrrofski wrote: »

Just put damage gear and skills on? Use a different character?

Who runs around as a tank or healer?

People who like playing tanks and healers.

jm42

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

JJMaxx1980 wrote: »

You want this event to be for everyone but when I wait for a world boss I heal and buff and debuff and use my destro staff and I get nothing. My friend who’s a tank experiences the same thing. This is not a good experience for 2/3 of your player base.

Slot 1 damage skill.

I did WB on my 810 cp DD with all damage skills and got the loot from the 3rd try only. Heal with 1 dmg skill has no chance

redlink1979

PC/Mac Patch Notes v2.6.4 (Update 12 & One Tamriel)

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

(...) Combat & Gameplay
- In order to get loot and XP credit for killing a mob, you now only need to deal 3% of its maximum health instead of the previous 10%.
(...)

Your problem involves how low your dps may be and how high the other players dps may be. If there are many players with high dps, you will miss the loot.

Starlock

redlink1979 wrote: »

PC/Mac Patch Notes v2.6.4 (Update 12 & One Tamriel)

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

(...) Combat & Gameplay
- In order to get loot and XP credit for killing a mob, you now only need to deal 3% of its maximum health instead of the previous 10%.
(...)

Your problem involves how low your dps may be and how high the other players dps may be. If there are many players with high dps, you will miss the loot.

Interesting. Very old patch notes - do we know if this is still how it works, I wonder?

In any case, it is good to just try to relax with it. If game stresses you then probably good to do something else for a bit. Games are supposed to be fun, yes?

VaranisArano

driosketch wrote: »

This is an issue just in CWC, right? (Why is that?) There were just 3 others at the WB in Vvardenfell.

There's only 2 World bosses in CWC.

Plus the CWC delve quests have a prerequisite quest, the Slag Town dailies are a competitive toxic morass of fighting other players for limited nodes, and the Crow dailies require half the zone story as a prerequisite and need specific junk/stolen goods.

If you want fast CWC rewards, the two bosses are your best bet.

Matchimus

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Adapt your build to the task at hand. Full Stop.

I think you had two more full stops than were necessary? Question mark.

redlink1979

Starlock wrote: »

(...)
Interesting. Very old patch notes - do we know if this is still how it works, I wonder?
(...)

I don't think any other changes have been done to this. At least I didn't found any other mentioning in more recent patch notes.

Avalon

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Adapt your build to the task at hand. Full Stop.

So... if you are a tank or healer, spend a lot of gold constantly swapping from one build to the other, also have a complete set of gear for swapping around, etc.

If you are a DPS, continue life as normal, you're good!

Yeah, that's not a solution, that's BS.

AlnilamE

I think ZOS should just remove the boss loot from the CWC bosses for the event (other than the quest items from the Imperfect).

That way nobody is disadvantaged.

Merlin13KAGL

100 people waiting to hit a daily?

• 60 aren't paying attention/afk.
• 15 are dropping AoE/dots.
• 5 are spamming heals.
• 20 are ready to drop their ults, nuke the boss, and leave, as it's a daily - no point in lingering after it's done.

I've done the WB dailies in Morrowind as a tank and gotten drops - group up. If you damage/heal/mitigate X %, it counts. It doesn't have to be all about DPS, but DPS is usually the easiest way to guarantee your odds.

Also, everyone's not camping the exact same daily every time. If you log in at prime time, it will be busy. Once people complete, it thins out. No matter how many alts they have, no matter how bad ass their DPS is, they still have to contend with the load screen, login, and transit bosses.

Miszou

Anecdotally, I've killed the 2 world bosses in Clockwork City multiple times on my tank and not received a single nugget of loot from either of them so far during this event.

So I log on to my damage dealer, die halfway through the first boss fight (like a total potato, having gotten used to being a tank), and collect my loot.

Boss respawns, I kill it, and collect my loot.

And again, boss respawns I kill it and get my loot.

I dunno what arbitrary nonsense this is, but it is patently unfair to support roles.

WySoSirius

I run heals tanks and dps. And get drops on all. It's all about using the right gear to trigger the drops.

But I do understand OPs frustration. There is a focus on everything in this game being all about dps and not the other roles. I hope the scales are balanced better in the future

Viewsfrom6ix

Honestly the loots are mediocre, you're not miss out on much. The quest turn in rewards are where it is at.

etchedpixels

I took one look at the world bosses, realised that there were 40 people continually spamming damage over time AoE attacks and that I wasn't going to hit it and went and did the quests from the crows and the maintenance ones. Took no longer than waiting for a boss respawn. Likewise in Vvardenfell did the Ashlander hunt which pretty much is a solo quest and the end of the hunt "boss" is no harder than a delve one so easily squished on my tanks or healers.

So there are plenty of ways to get tickets as a support role character.

Rewards were OK in motifs, jewellery to decon etc. Not sure what I am going to do with the tickets, probably save most of them in the hope the next event has something worth spending them on.