Proc burst damage is out of control

Firstmep

Sarousse wrote: »

90% of my death recaps in Cyro are from venomous smite & friends. Level 0 of skill required. Just run and spam. It's even worse than the out of control dots patch.

Funny thing is venomous is soo last patch, syvarra, sheer, unleashed are all better.
I bet the devs don't even know that syvarra is bugged, there's a reason ppl buy heavy chests for 1 mil gold.

BohnT2

There are so many balance issues with the newly buffed vate 2h:
It generates absurd amounts of additional damage for one gcd especially when used on a class like stamden or stamnecro which already have delayed AoE burst, we're talking about 6-7k additional damage on players every 5-6 seconds

The effect works on both bars, stacks can be generated even when sneaking or out of combat which makes ganking extremely easy, just spam leeching strikes 5 times and then get lots of extra burst.

The wind up time just isn't there as the set procs on medium attacks too meaning not only is the proc unavoidable because at one point you'll be hit by the heavy attack and the proc so you can never avoid the set.

The set is in desperate need of some hefty nerfs or much better a rework that doesn't include even more proc damage in the game

Derra

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

Mayrael

Hahah... This is just awful. I have no wish to adapt to things like this. After few pretty good and balanced months it gets worse and worse with each patch. This is just stupidly broken. Have fun, playing this parody of PvP, especially when everyone will run the same builds, who procs first wins. This game is a waste of time currently.

BohnT2

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

Derra

BohnT2 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

I´d argue that the 3 specs you mentioned don´t work without proccs if you put them against the good non procc enemys they´d find in cyro/ic/bgs.

Which would be stamden, stamcro, stamblade and magsorc.

The 3 old mag classes are flatout worse than those. They'll arguably even struggle against the not so good stam classes (sorc, templar and dk).

And yes - you´ll find the exception for each of them. One or two players who still manage to make it work. For the majority of the playerbase though - i don´t think so.
The issue being that most of the ppl that struggle on the mag builds hop on one of the top 4 specs and will manage to perform better.

From a solo to 4 player grp perspective.

MurderMostFoul

Powerful proc sets are bad for PvP in ESO. Having up to seven dots placed on you during the first global cooldown of a fight is imbalanced and bad design. I strongly believe the majority of dedicated PVP players agree on this, many of whom wind up running proc sets anyways because of how overloaded their power budget is.

I also believe that ZOS is aware of this as well. They have an interest in modifying the meta on a regular basis to keep people playing in order to adapt their builds. But I can't help but also believe that the proc set meta they are fostering now is partially intended to entice players to purchase Greymoor (Malacath). I know it is a business after all, but I hate to see profits impact balance in this way.

BohnT2

Derra wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

I´d argue that the 3 specs you mentioned don´t work without proccs if you put them against the good non procc enemys they´d find in cyro/ic/bgs.

Which would be stamden, stamcro, stamblade and magsorc.

The 3 old mag classes are flatout worse than those. They'll arguably even struggle against the not so good stam classes (sorc, templar and dk).

And yes - you´ll find the exception for each of them. One or two players who still manage to make it work. For the majority of the playerbase though - i don´t think so.
The issue being that most of the ppl that struggle on the mag builds hop on one of the top 4 specs and will manage to perform better.

From a solo to 4 player grp perspective.

Yeah no doubt that stamden/ Stamnecro are a lot better than any competitors while magsorc and stamnb are naturally better in OW than the old magicka specs.

Don't fully agree on them struggling against stamplar, stamsorc and stamdk but that's a discussion for another day and thread.

Atherakhia

I really don't understand how Malacath hasn't been nerfed to not work on proc sets yet. It alone is driving this meta because stamina classes in particular can go plate with dual proc sets and malacath compensates them for the damage lost. The fact that there are so few good proc options for mag has pretty much ensured they aren't part of this meta and the fact that even proc sets aren't enough to pull some classes (namely Mag Necro) out of the gutter because of how poorly designed that class is for PvP.

Stamina was out of control prior to this meta shift, but now that procs reign supreme and stamina have the majority of sets to choose from, there's no hope for mag.

Vizirith

BohnT2 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

All the classes would work perfectly fine without procs, they are just much more effective with them than stat based sets.

Atherakhia

Vizirith wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

All the classes would work perfectly fine without procs, they are just much more effective with them than stat based sets.

I disagree.

Mag Necro for example isn't working now with proc sets. It was barely working before they nerfed harmony. Mag DK also likely wouldn't be a contender. I can't even remember the last time I saw a MagPlar without both grothdar and overwhelming even prior to Malacath being a thing. MagBlade has always relied almost entirely on caluurion. This doesn't mean these classes are useless (Well I don't know about Necro, they're pretty worthless), but the amount of effort to pull off a win when compared to MagDen and MagSorc is quite extreme.

manny254

Atherakhia wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

All the classes would work perfectly fine without procs, they are just much more effective with them than stat based sets.

I disagree.

Mag Necro for example isn't working now with proc sets. It was barely working before they nerfed harmony. Mag DK also likely wouldn't be a contender. I can't even remember the last time I saw a MagPlar without both grothdar and overwhelming even prior to Malacath being a thing. MagBlade has always relied almost entirely on caluurion. This doesn't mean these classes are useless (Well I don't know about Necro, they're pretty worthless), but the amount of effort to pull off a win when compared to MagDen and MagSorc is quite extreme.

DK is the ideal user of OW surge. The burning sustain passive pushes DKs to running charged already. OW surge with charged gives you an insane up time on minor vuln.

hexentb16_ESO

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

Dealing with proc builds...or any build for that matter is pretty easy [snip]

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[snip]
If you think things through you can easily deal with nearly every build.

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Tolino

We can also add Stamsorc to this list.
Max. Stats Stamsorc (offensive) is garbage for a long time. They used mainly Procset before Malacath and Procset-Buff...

Kram8ion

Healbots,tanky blocktards also werewolves now are everywhere So I don’t see how procsets are even on the radar surely they’re the only thing stopping us all becoming the same boring play style this is eso not for honor

Xvorg

BohnT2 wrote: »

With the newly introduced sets in explosive rebuke and frenzied momentum proc burst damage has reached ridiculous numbers that are unbearable in PvP.

It's easily doable to one shot people with 35k Hp without using ultimates just by stacking 3 damage procs and there is almost nothing you can do against that, the room for error is very very small.


The person in this GIF had 32k HP and died without getting hit by an ultimate.

Please for the love of balance don't let explosive rebuke and frenzied momentum make it to the live servers this will ruin the game even more than procs already do.

You know what bothers me the most? At some point ZoS decided to nerf wings, reach, magnum shot among others, because they required "little" playing skill and there was "no" counterplay (we all know counterplay to those skills came in the form of a careful playing style). A couple patches later they just buff (again) procs sets which require much less skill on the attacking side and much more skill on the defending side...

relentless_turnip

Atherakhia wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

All the classes would work perfectly fine without procs, they are just much more effective with them than stat based sets.

I disagree.

Mag Necro for example isn't working now with proc sets. It was barely working before they nerfed harmony. Mag DK also likely wouldn't be a contender. I can't even remember the last time I saw a MagPlar without both grothdar and overwhelming even prior to Malacath being a thing. MagBlade has always relied almost entirely on caluurion. This doesn't mean these classes are useless (Well I don't know about Necro, they're pretty worthless), but the amount of effort to pull off a win when compared to MagDen and MagSorc is quite extreme.

In a one v one I think MagDK is one of the most OP classes. Open world it suffers a lot.

Vizirith

Atherakhia wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

Maybe that´s bc 60% of the classes are in such a bad shape they don´t work without proccs anymore?

Are there competetive anything magica (but sorc) running around without proccs?

I'd say the 4 old classes still work without procs, but with procs they become way way better.
Why play magdk without overwhelming and grothdarr? No point when both sets add loads of free damage, and give sustain either via the proc itself or burning

Same thing goes for magplar, why not use a set that adds 800-1k AoE DPS while also giving back resources.

Magnb goes the same way, if you have to hit 5 light attacks to procs will why not send a kjalnar proc along that deals more damage than will or soul harvest or why try to burst people down when a set like Maw gives you the pressure you lost after crippling grasp got nerfed, just enjoy the free barspace.

The only specs which heavily rely on procs to be useable are necromancer and warden, with necro needing the help a little more.

If the available class skills and the other skill lines just aren't capable of providing sufficient offensive power, people will rejoice to using sets that hand out free damage rather than buffing their own damage because their own damage is so lackluster.

All of this has become worse with the introduction of malacath along with proc sets getting a big buff and healing taking a hit which made it much easier to pressure someone down only by using 3 procs especially when playing no cp.

All the classes would work perfectly fine without procs, they are just much more effective with them than stat based sets.

I disagree.

Mag Necro for example isn't working now with proc sets. It was barely working before they nerfed harmony. Mag DK also likely wouldn't be a contender. I can't even remember the last time I saw a MagPlar without both grothdar and overwhelming even prior to Malacath being a thing. MagBlade has always relied almost entirely on caluurion. This doesn't mean these classes are useless (Well I don't know about Necro, they're pretty worthless), but the amount of effort to pull off a win when compared to MagDen and MagSorc is quite extreme.

Well Magcro is practically a meme in pvp and doesn't synergize well with any proc sets. But the issue is that when you say you "can't even remember the last time I saw a MagPlar without both grothdar and overwhelming even prior to Malacath being a thing" it's because grothdar and surge are better than any stat based alternatives. That's the problem. I think you interpreted "working perfectly fine" to mean being perfectly viable going against somebody wearing proc sets, which isn't what I meant. I meant that if you weren't wearing proc sets and went up against somebody of equal skill using a non hard counter to your build wearing non proc sets you'd stand a chance.

Mobius0

Engine Guardian is also stupid and needs to not be targetable at the very least. I swear half the PvP population uses it now.

But for all the complaints, I do like that there are so many options for sets. Kinda like it was with SWG - The price you pay for having so much flexibility with builds, is that certain builds can be out of control. It's a constant battle for devs. The alternative is them ruining it like they did in SWG, and getting rid of all that flexibility.

I think that with a lot of those proc sets, they just need to make cleanse be cheaper or more effective. I also think they should have them tie in with your damage stats completely, including your crit. Instead of them untying it from your stats like they did, all they had to do was reduce the damage they do. That way you have to sacrifice more in order for them to be effective.

And what's with the 5% cost penalty on NMA? I don't know why they gate damage boosts so much. Also, with the upcoming buff changes, I noticed Slimecraw is getting It's teeth smashed in. That leaves almost no damage boosting helmet sets other than what? Balorgh and Molag Kena? We need more direct damage boosting helmet sets!

Joy_Division

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

There's caring and then there's not wanting to bang your head against the wall.

ZOS has flat out admitted twice in the past that proc sets were problematic (circa viper/blood mountain/velidreth and circa Sload's) and yet, here we are again.

They are either incompetent or blowing smoke up our butts because they really feel proc sets makes their PvP gameplay better.

BohnT2

Joy_Division wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's ridiculous that there aren't more complaints about procs. I guess nobody cares about PvP anymore at this point...

There's caring and then there's not wanting to bang your head against the wall.

ZOS has flat out admitted twice in the past that proc sets were problematic (circa viper/blood mountain/velidreth and circa Sload's) and yet, here we are again.

They are either incompetent or blowing smoke up our butts because they really feel proc sets makes their PvP gameplay better.

Not to mention them bringing sets back that directly contradict their reasoning for nerfing procs before.

Viper - nerfed because it was unavoidable proc damage
Vate 2h or explosive say hello

Sloads - nerfed because it was too much pressure (860 per second) to be dodgeable and have a rather slow traveltime rather than instantly applying

Sheer venom, OF, venomous smite, unleashed terror... are laughing right now

Procs in general can't crit anymore ~20% additional damage in pvp

Malacath being a flat 25% damage buff making crits on most classes obsolete and makes procs crit everytime basically.

And the list could be extended even more

Cinbri

Even on CP where previously proc sets were comparable to stat builds stacking procs became way to go.
It getting funny (not) to see how situation getting worse every 3 months.

olsborg

The majority of the pvp playerbase spoke up last time there was a proccmeta, zos listened then, so I dont for the life of me understand how they could circle right back to square one again..only worse then last time. The proccmeta is boring, toxic and devoid of any feeling of accomplishment.

hakan

olsborg wrote: »

The majority of the pvp playerbase spoke up last time there was a proccmeta, zos listened then, so I dont for the life of me understand how they could circle right back to square one again..only worse then last time. The proccmeta is boring, toxic and devoid of any feeling of accomplishment.

to me, this proves that they just do it on random. i cant really say they listen to cries for nerfing or buffing stuff. like there is a dart in the office and do whatever it lands on it.

i would be okay with these sets, they could be fun if they didnt nerf all the stuff back then for balance and whatnot.

Cinbri

hakan wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The majority of the pvp playerbase spoke up last time there was a proccmeta, zos listened then, so I dont for the life of me understand how they could circle right back to square one again..only worse then last time. The proccmeta is boring, toxic and devoid of any feeling of accomplishment.

to me, this proves that they just do it on random. i cant really say they listen to cries for nerfing or buffing stuff. like there is a dart in the office and do whatever it lands on it.

i would be okay with these sets, they could be fun if they didnt nerf all the stuff back then for balance and whatnot.

Yep. Buffing procsets... while nerfing skills to ensure that you will use procsets.

ne.ga.kurai_ESO

Firstmep wrote: »

We just need to convince @FENGRUSH to make a build out of it, and it'll get nerfed in a jiffy.

He’s been running an [snip] since Venomous came out.

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Vizirith

hakan wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The majority of the pvp playerbase spoke up last time there was a proccmeta, zos listened then, so I dont for the life of me understand how they could circle right back to square one again..only worse then last time. The proccmeta is boring, toxic and devoid of any feeling of accomplishment.

to me, this proves that they just do it on random. i cant really say they listen to cries for nerfing or buffing stuff. like there is a dart in the office and do whatever it lands on it.

i would be okay with these sets, they could be fun if they didnt nerf all the stuff back then for balance and whatnot.

I'm pretty sure they do it so you have to buy the new chapter. Most people right now are running greymoor sets, which means they have to either buy the BoE sets or buy the dlc for the BoP sets. Summerset had sload's, Elsweyr had NMA and now we have all these proc sets. The question is whether at this point they think they got enough people to buy the new content and can nerf the new sets. The markarth sets probably won't be nerfed until enough people buy it via crown store (those without eso+).

Atherakhia

Vizirith wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The majority of the pvp playerbase spoke up last time there was a proccmeta, zos listened then, so I dont for the life of me understand how they could circle right back to square one again..only worse then last time. The proccmeta is boring, toxic and devoid of any feeling of accomplishment.

to me, this proves that they just do it on random. i cant really say they listen to cries for nerfing or buffing stuff. like there is a dart in the office and do whatever it lands on it.

i would be okay with these sets, they could be fun if they didnt nerf all the stuff back then for balance and whatnot.

I'm pretty sure they do it so you have to buy the new chapter. Most people right now are running greymoor sets, which means they have to either buy the BoE sets or buy the dlc for the BoP sets. Summerset had sload's, Elsweyr had NMA and now we have all these proc sets. The question is whether at this point they think they got enough people to buy the new content and can nerf the new sets. The markarth sets probably won't be nerfed until enough people buy it via crown store (those without eso+).

This is often said about ESO and its expansions, that the reason things are so poorly tuned and overpowered at release and nerfed shortly thereafter is specifically to sell expansions. While it may look like that, I question if any player legitimately does that. And would said player be stupid enough to fall for the same buff/nerf from one expansion to the next?

And if so, why is it always the stamina sets and never a worthwhile mag set in these releases?

Daffen

For every one shot dreamers out there wanting to have an overpowered build, try this. Stamdk any race, heavy armor doylemish, new 2h arena wep backbar, frontbar sergeants mail dual wield. Any monster set, can be defensive.

Put on any skills you want, it doesnt really matter all you need is momentum, fossilize, leap and spin2win.

Heres the combo: buff up momentum and keep defensive casting healing skills to build up stacks, when you have max stacks fossilize your opponent and immediately heavy attack them with dual wield. This will proc 2h and doylemish (they will break free but still immobilized) and sergeants mail is doubble dipping with dual wield. If its a tanky opponent you might need to leap him before you start spinning.

Congrats you now have an op build that will kill anyone that dont expect your combo.

Vizirith

Atherakhia wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The majority of the pvp playerbase spoke up last time there was a proccmeta, zos listened then, so I dont for the life of me understand how they could circle right back to square one again..only worse then last time. The proccmeta is boring, toxic and devoid of any feeling of accomplishment.

to me, this proves that they just do it on random. i cant really say they listen to cries for nerfing or buffing stuff. like there is a dart in the office and do whatever it lands on it.

i would be okay with these sets, they could be fun if they didnt nerf all the stuff back then for balance and whatnot.

I'm pretty sure they do it so you have to buy the new chapter. Most people right now are running greymoor sets, which means they have to either buy the BoE sets or buy the dlc for the BoP sets. Summerset had sload's, Elsweyr had NMA and now we have all these proc sets. The question is whether at this point they think they got enough people to buy the new content and can nerf the new sets. The markarth sets probably won't be nerfed until enough people buy it via crown store (those without eso+).

This is often said about ESO and its expansions, that the reason things are so poorly tuned and overpowered at release and nerfed shortly thereafter is specifically to sell expansions. While it may look like that, I question if any player legitimately does that. And would said player be stupid enough to fall for the same buff/nerf from one expansion to the next?

And if so, why is it always the stamina sets and never a worthwhile mag set in these releases?

Would a player use the best sets for at least 6 months before it's nerfed and something else becomes BiS? Yes they would.