Proc burst damage is out of control

Vizirith

I just want to kill and be killed by, oh I don't know, abilities? Proc damage accounts for almost 50% of my incoming damage on average.

JamieAubrey

Let me guess, Stamina sets ? of course they are, because ZOS LOVES stamina

Foto1

this is eso. we have to redo our builds every 3 months. adapt or die

relentless_turnip

I think the damage is fine and actually a good change in terms of build variety. They need to deter people from running multiple proc sets with a shared cooldown or Deminishing returns. Having a proc set as part of your build is perfectly fine, wearing 3 proc sets is madness. At this point your armor is playing the game for you.

FangOfTheTwoMoons

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Let me guess, Stamina sets ? of course they are, because ZOS LOVES stamina

Maybe in PvP they do, but Mag gets all the love in PvE.

HankTwo

What the OP forgot to mention is that on top of applying high burst damage in a single GCD, those 2 new sets deal their damage in a rather large, 8 meter radius. So heavy attacking into say a dawnbreaker + shalks combo or a leap is a potential group wipe right there. Imo those sets definitely look too strong... A bit off topic, but maybe proc sets should also have some form of universal CD system so that you cant proc multiple effects in a single GCD at all.

Ocelot9x

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Let me guess, Stamina sets ? of course they are, because ZOS LOVES stamina

Well, friends playing on pts are saying that the most cancerous proc are the Magicka ones as the pressure they can keep is insane

Vetixio

FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Let me guess, Stamina sets ? of course they are, because ZOS LOVES stamina

Maybe in PvP they do, but Mag gets all the love in PvE.

Its been the Elder Stamina Online since One Stamriel and still is just look at the new Dungeon Sets - Talfyg's Treachery: 5 items: Increases Spell Damage by 372. Increase damage taken from Flame and Fighter's Guild abilities by 10%. Ok nice spell damage buff but 2 drawbacks. Unleashed Terror: 5 items: When you deal direct damage with a Charge, Leap, Teleport, or Pull ability, you cut your enemy, causing them to bleed for 10 seconds, dealing 19734 Physical Damage over the duration. This ability can occur once every 10 seconds per target. Can be up 100% of the time on multiple targets and all you have to do is Crit Rush/Ambush etc wow so hard to use a Stam skill that by default cost less and hits harder than Magicka ones

Strider__Roshin

Hey you know how you said proc damage is out of control? Yeah that just buffed one of the sets you're using in this gif.

ssewallb14_ESO

Nice. Can't wait to try this out on a 40k HP Stam DK with 2x infused block cost reduction.

Recapitated

"Frenzied Momentum: Increased the damage proc from this set to 10834, up from 9028, to better account for the wind-up period of your Heavy Attacks; its total DPS was lower than other sets when getting multiple procs off cooldown."

Balancing burst sets according to how much DPS they do on a dummy lol

Nerhesi

Dont provide a 3-5 second vid.

Provide details - there is no way to see what you are complaining about.

Lapin_Logic

ZoS Brainstorming meeting

Employee 1 "We could make some sets like Viper, Tremorscale, Widowmaker"

Employee 2" But how would that be unique or make people want this new DLC?"

E1 "...We..Could make the proc stronger than pre nerfed Viper, We have a great community and no one would abuse combinations implement to 'raise the Floor' of lower skill players".

hexentb16_ESO

Dealing with proc builds...or any build for that matter is pretty easy [snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting]

BohnT2

Nerhesi wrote: »

Dont provide a 3-5 second vid.

Provide details - there is no way to see what you are complaining about.

Maybe the fact that in the video someone with 32k Hp gets deleted in 1 Gcd without an ultimate involved and the majority of damage comes from procs?

Nerhesi

BohnT2 wrote: »

Nerhesi wrote: »

Dont provide a 3-5 second vid.

Provide details - there is no way to see what you are complaining about.

Maybe the fact that in the video someone with 32k Hp gets deleted in 1 Gcd without an ultimate involved and the majority of damage comes from procs?

I see videos like this daily in a couple of discord channels. The problem the dont show is that this could be after 30 seconds of already fighting, where an ULT, a Proc, and CC are lined up. You also dont know the targets resists or if their mitigation is down because they havent refreshed buffs, or if they're not block canceling or doing other form of mitigation given how long the fight has been going.

This is why the combat log, and a longer video are needed. It doesn't matter if you get 30k hp deleted if you've let a fight get to that point and no defensive actions are being taken. I dont get 25k HP deleted in high mmr BGs unless I'm afk or I'm tapped on resources and/or a fight has been going for a while.

Lapin_Logic

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

Dealing with proc builds...or any build for that matter is pretty easy [snip]

Oh Enlightened one, please Dual the guy in the OP gif and demonstrate your superlative intellect.

Cinbri

And Oblivion Foe got buffed further since you can one-bar it now and easily combine with procset one bar, Foe other bar, monster set, mala ring...

Elvenheart

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

Dealing with proc builds...or any build for that matter is pretty easy [snip]

Do you mean pull your brain out of your head and defend yourself with it? 🧠

MincVinyl

Nerhesi wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Nerhesi wrote: »

Dont provide a 3-5 second vid.

Provide details - there is no way to see what you are complaining about.

Maybe the fact that in the video someone with 32k Hp gets deleted in 1 Gcd without an ultimate involved and the majority of damage comes from procs?

I see videos like this daily in a couple of discord channels. The problem the dont show is that this could be after 30 seconds of already fighting, where an ULT, a Proc, and CC are lined up. You also dont know the targets resists or if their mitigation is down because they havent refreshed buffs, or if they're not block canceling or doing other form of mitigation given how long the fight has been going.

This is why the combat log, and a longer video are needed. It doesn't matter if you get 30k hp deleted if you've let a fight get to that point and no defensive actions are being taken. I dont get 25k HP deleted in high mmr BGs unless I'm afk or I'm tapped on resources and/or a fight has been going for a while.

These are highmmr players, alot of people know mediumricecooker. Also I was there when they were dueling, and what you can do with procs next patch is a complete meme. Until the stream team or some divine being heavily pushes to change proc sets, we will be stuck with them forever.

Other than that the maj/min changes are really good, definitely healthy for future gameplay and changes to the game.

olsborg

Canned_Apples wrote: »

@Ishtharo
There is NO sign of them changing this.
The new team seems to have given up on actually balancing the game and have decided to add an endless amount of proc sets and proc set buffs and p2w items instead.

I used to enjoy this game, but getting hit with 8 different proc sets at once from 40k health unkillable players is boring/bs.

Yea that pretty much sums it up rn. Sad.

Vizirith

Nerhesi wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Nerhesi wrote: »

Dont provide a 3-5 second vid.

Provide details - there is no way to see what you are complaining about.

Maybe the fact that in the video someone with 32k Hp gets deleted in 1 Gcd without an ultimate involved and the majority of damage comes from procs?

I see videos like this daily in a couple of discord channels. The problem the dont show is that this could be after 30 seconds of already fighting, where an ULT, a Proc, and CC are lined up. You also dont know the targets resists or if their mitigation is down because they havent refreshed buffs, or if they're not block canceling or doing other form of mitigation given how long the fight has been going.

This is why the combat log, and a longer video are needed. It doesn't matter if you get 30k hp deleted if you've let a fight get to that point and no defensive actions are being taken. I dont get 25k HP deleted in high mmr BGs unless I'm afk or I'm tapped on resources and/or a fight has been going for a while.

If you can't line up a guaranteed proc, ult and cc then I don't know what to tell you. Sure proc sets with a % chance proc is much harder to line up but we have more and more sets that can be procced on command. 30 secs worth of fighting? I sure hope so, if this was early in the fight it would be even worse because you are likely high on resources. Outside of ganks any decent player won't die early in a fight.

This gif shows what I am pretty sure is a magblade using the non invis morph of cloak. So he does have maj resolve up, unless he doesn't have the passive... Along with the 5% dmg reduction from minor protection. If he is in gold full light armor they'd still have minimum of 15 k sp resist and 12.7k phys resist.

WreckfulAbandon

How about those Malacath Magdens using Icy Conjurer? 40k tooltip easily in CP

At least I don't have to hear "bUfF mAgDeN" in every other thread around here anymore.

Waffennacht

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

How about those Malacath Magdens using Icy Conjurer? 40k tooltip easily in CP

At least I don't have to hear "bUfF mAgDeN" in every other thread around here anymore.

Feels like magden is in a solid apot

Atherakhia

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

How about those Malacath Magdens using Icy Conjurer? 40k tooltip easily in CP

At least I don't have to hear "bUfF mAgDeN" in every other thread around here anymore.

A 40k tooltip would only hit for 20k in PvP. 20k over 10 seconds is probably still less than Sheer Venom which can be done AE, does execute damage, etc. This game needs more mag sets

Recapitated

Atherakhia wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

How about those Malacath Magdens using Icy Conjurer? 40k tooltip easily in CP

At least I don't have to hear "bUfF mAgDeN" in every other thread around here anymore.

A 40k tooltip would only hit for 20k in PvP. 20k over 10 seconds is probably still less than Sheer Venom which can be done AE, does execute damage, etc. This game needs more mag sets

40k in CP sounds optimistic too.

Vizirith

I don't see how zos thinks this is a good direction for the game. Is anybody actually having fun with this playstyle? So far people either don't like it or they tolerate it and adapt.

Artorias24

Oblivion’s Foe: Oblivion’s realms have been full as of late with the poor souls affected by this set, so it is being reworked again. Whenever you deal damage with Soul Magic using the 5-piece bonus, you mark the target’s soul, dealing 12820 Magic Damage over 10 seconds.
This set will not refresh itself on targets it is already active on and will wait for the duration to end before reapplying.
Additional changes to the 2-4 piece bonus will be coming in the next PTS patch.


Yes, more procs pls. Thats what we needed.

Sarousse

90% of my death recaps in Cyro are from venomous smite & friends. Level 0 of skill required. Just run and spam. It's even worse than the out of control dots patch.

Firstmep

We just need to convince @FENGRUSH to make a build out of it, and it'll get nerfed in a jiffy.