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ZOS we need to talk about this outfit.

MornaBaine
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So this has turned up in a datamine.

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You know when the new vampire costume came out my first thought was, "Wow I wish they had made a gown in that same kind of style!" And instead they apparently did THIS. The TOP is gorgeous. But... what the Hades were you thinking when you designed the bottom ZOS??? BOOTY SHORTS??? REALLY??? And boots. And, worst of all... the dreaded crotch flap. For the love of the Divines PLEASE rethink this! It's bloody AWFUL! Either give it a full length skirt or PANTS and, by all that is holy, get RID of the crotch flap. I'm begging you here. This is ridiculous.

Editing to add some things.
Disclaimer This conversation is experiencing some derailment as people argue about whether or not it's okay to have skimpy or sexy outfits. That's absolutely not the topic here. I called them booty shorts because that's what they are. I offered no judgement on those who wear booty shorts in real life. The problem with the outfit is that it is a terrible mishmash of conflicting styles that, individually, are perfectly okay, but that thrown together this way look absolutely terrible.

ZOS has done skimpy outfits right in the past. Here's an example:

Egg-Sister-Bias-Cut-Casual-Wear-Female-Front.jpg

It looks like something that belongs in Tamriel. If they want to make an outfit with the style of shorts they are using on this vampire costume I'm all for it. But please put them with an outfit that makes sense. Tamriel is woefully low on swimwear. By all means, hook us up!

Now as to the outfit in question, here's your obvious fixes ZOS:

Corseted-Riding-Outfit-Female-Close-Front.jpg

Holiday-in-Balmora-Female-Close-Front.jpg

Still sexy. No ridiculous flaps. Clearly, you already know how to do this since you've done it twice. If you're determined to change it up give us some different boots. Maybe some below the knee.

OR just give it a simple elegant skirt like this one:

Jarl-Justices-Formal-Frock-Female-Front.jpg

Better still... make it in both options. I'd buy them both in a heartbeat.

You made a lot of people really mad when you stuck pants on the Elven Hero costume even though the character that wears it in the trailer certainly showed some bare thigh. This is not the way to fix that.

Edited by MornaBaine on July 14, 2020 5:13PM
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!

  • SickleCider
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    Yes, I find this really distasteful. The vest, the shorts, the flap, none of the pieces of this outfit work together. It looks like one of those "sexy Halloween costumes." It should have (tight) pants, no flap, no window, and the coat should have tails. I think that'd make it a good outfit.
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  • volkeswagon
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    that mudflap is covering anything too racy
  • Aptonoth
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    Here's me actually liking it.
  • Elsonso
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    You don't like the Supergirl boots? :smile:
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  • radiostar
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    Either the cold shoulder or the chest cutout. Not both together.
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  • Dithieon
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    Next dlc: Vampire Hookers of Nirn
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  • Nord_Raseri
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    Remove the flap and I'm golden. Just need to find the right mask and I'm going full on luchador
    Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.
  • TX12001rwb17_ESO
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    Eeww

    That is all.
  • SickleCider
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    radiostar wrote: »
    Either the cold shoulder or the chest cutout. Not both together.

    I didn't notice the cold shoulder. It's just too much all together. It's not even a thing about being conservative, I just can't suffer fashion crimes!
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    tenor.gif?itemid=4347451

    It's so bad that it's good again, and I want to dye in crazy colors.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 14, 2020 2:18AM
  • xXMeowMeowXx
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    So this has turned up in a datamine.

    79tpSCF.jpg

    You know when the new vampire costume came out my first thought was, "Wow I wish they had made a gown in that same kind of style!" And instead they apparently did THIS. The TOP is gorgeous. But... what the Hades were you thinking when you designed the bottom ZOS??? BOOTY SHORTS??? REALLY??? And boots. And, worst of all... the dreaded crotch flap. For the love of the Divines PLEASE rethink this! It's bloody AWFUL! Either give it a full length skirt or PANTS and, by all that is holy, get RID of the crotch flap. I'm begging you here. This is ridiculous.

    Yes 100%!! Add a full length skirt plzzzzz 😊😊😊😊

    It would look so amazingly beautiful and bad ass in that material for us girl gamers 🦇

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    Please pass this on, no booty shorts on this vampiress outfit 🧛‍♀️

    Thnx for reading 😊

    Oh please fix the arm area too. It looks like a poet shirt got mixed up with something something.

    This is to help release your inner Goth Goddess....

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj2miRJ6bZs

    PLEASE NO STRIPPER
    OUTFITs 🙀 It is not pretty or cool.
    Edited by xXMeowMeowXx on July 14, 2020 2:44AM
  • Taleof2Cities
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    I'm guessing you're aware by now, @MornaBaine, but not everything that is datamined makes it to Live.
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    I love the OP's description. It is funny. Had me thinking of who wears short shorts then adding in the thigh-high boots while finishing it all off with ESO's infamous crotch flaps which destroy the appearance of pretty much any outfit.

    Anyhow who gets the "who wears short shorts" reference will show their age.
  • Athyrium93
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    I actually like it... Well except the crotch flap
  • Nareya726
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    No offense to anyone who likes it, but I'm really not a fan of the shorts either. I'd love to see it made into a gown, but even changing the shorts to leggings with the thigh-high boots would be a vast improvement for me. I don't mind sexy outfits, but this one just feels way too out of place.
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    PLEASE NO STRIPPER
    OUTFITs 🙀 It is not pretty or cool.

    And even if you like 'stripper outfits', that crotch flap is awful. Who designed this mess?

    edit: and yeah, it would be better with either a skirt or pants. Although pants might make it too close to the Holiday in Balmora outfit.
    Edited by Kiralyn2000 on July 14, 2020 3:42AM
  • Aisleyne
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    Nareya726 wrote: »
    No offense to anyone who likes it, but I'm really not a fan of the shorts either. I'd love to see it made into a gown, but even changing the shorts to leggings with the thigh-high boots would be a vast improvement for me.

    I think I would actually prefer it with leggings as well. The flap being so much longer than the shorts looks rather strange to me. As a side note, can we get some calf length boots for a change? It seems like every single costume comes with the thigh boots. I'd love to see some below the knee instead of over it.
  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    Lmao this costume is for comical relief
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  • tomofhyrule
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    So this has turned up in a datamine.

    79tpSCF.jpg

    You know when the new vampire costume came out my first thought was, "Wow I wish they had made a gown in that same kind of style!" And instead they apparently did THIS. The TOP is gorgeous. But... what the Hades were you thinking when you designed the bottom ZOS??? BOOTY SHORTS??? REALLY??? And boots. And, worst of all... the dreaded crotch flap. For the love of the Divines PLEASE rethink this! It's bloody AWFUL! Either give it a full length skirt or PANTS and, by all that is holy, get RID of the crotch flap. I'm begging you here. This is ridiculous.

    Ooh, new datamine?

    But I have to agree about that outfit. It would look gorgeous with a full skirt like the Breton Coin dress or Oblivion's Finery costume.
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    Dithieon wrote: »
    Next dlc: Vampire Hookers of Nirn

    Oh...please expand on that as a title of a story, please!!

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6856540#Comment_6856540

    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
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  • HappyTheCamper
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    It makes you wonder how many different crotch flap variations the design team has hanging up as concept art in the office.
  • Nord_Raseri
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    idk wrote: »
    I love the OP's description. It is funny. Had me thinking of who wears short shorts then adding in the thigh-high boots while finishing it all off with ESO's infamous crotch flaps which destroy the appearance of pretty much any outfit.

    Anyhow who gets the "who wears short shorts" reference will show their age.

    Awesome. Was just listening to another song of theirs yesterday. And yeah, destroy all flaps!
    Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.
  • Syldras
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    Poor lady. Must have been all confused due to low blood level, so she forgot to put on a skirt before going outside. Or is she a new worker at the Ebony Flask?
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  • wild_kmacdb16_ESO
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    Does seem to be a case of identity crisis with this outfit. Business up top, party down below?

    Either cover up the bottom half or make the top half skimpier.
  • DUTCH_REAPER
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    I feel bad. I am at the other end of the spectrum saying ZOS please make the outfit more [snip]. I’m so sorry guys. I know. I’m ashamed.

    [edited for inappropriate content]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 15, 2020 12:49PM
  • Ratinira
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    These boots and shorts need ripped tights to complete the image 😏
  • Tigerseye
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    What is the point of shorts with a crotch flap?
  • redgreensunset
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    Holy ***, my first reaction was, "I need that, stat. Where can I get my grubby hands on it". ZOS, please leave it as it is.
    Okay maybe if I had one small gripe it would be to shorten or remove the crotch flap, it's kinda in the way. But that's that.
  • Tigerseye
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    With these conflicting messages (daring shorts, but with a super-modest crotch flap), it's like they are trying to please all the people, all the time, but ending up pleasing no one.

    Also, what exactly are they covering?

    The only private parts game characters can have are the ones the devs decide to give them.

    Meaning, if they don't give them any, they are like dolls down there; completely smooth.
  • Syldras
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    It's more or less the traditional female Dunmer outfit, without skirt and with a very weird tailcoat, gloves and crotch flap added.
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    Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
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