Greymoor is still for free for people who didnt buy it...

JamieAubrey

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Not my fault they had 3 maintenance and they still haven't fix it, so as far as I can see I'm entitled to keep the chapter as they have f***ed up 3 times now

sidious00

craybest wrote: »

so, the chapter appears as purchased, so i can't purchase it again, and i can't access skyrim,,, what to do? this is in PC US server.

You will have to buy it from their site.

Elsonso

JamieAubrey wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Not my fault they had 3 maintenance and they still haven't fix it, so as far as I can see I'm entitled to keep the chapter as they have f***ed up 3 times now

I don't see it that way. You know you did not pay for it. You know it is not being handed out for free to players. You should know you are not "entitled" to it, no matter how many times they try to fix it, until ZOS says you are.

vesselwiththepestle

It is fixed for me - I can't access Western Skyrim anymore.

stevenyaub16_ESO

Free antiquities skill for everyone!

ZOS_Mika

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vesselwiththepestle

I could still make use of some antiquities functions, although my access to Western Skyrim itself was cut since the maintenance this morning. I wrote a /bugreport in-game.

Ankael07

Elsonso wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Not my fault they had 3 maintenance and they still haven't fix it, so as far as I can see I'm entitled to keep the chapter as they have f***ed up 3 times now

I don't see it that way. You know you did not pay for it. You know it is not being handed out for free to players. You should know you are not "entitled" to it, no matter how many times they try to fix it, until ZOS says you are.

I also didnt pay for 300+ ping throught prime time, abilities not firing, input lag and an overall broken unplayable game.

Their incompetence hurts them for once and people complain about it

zaria

Elsonso wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Not my fault they had 3 maintenance and they still haven't fix it, so as far as I can see I'm entitled to keep the chapter as they have f***ed up 3 times now

I don't see it that way. You know you did not pay for it. You know it is not being handed out for free to players. You should know you are not "entitled" to it, no matter how many times they try to fix it, until ZOS says you are.

This, now I don't see going to Solitude an exploit as its too easy to do and causal player might believe its included in ESO+.
But don't be disappointed if you get kicked out tomorrow.

KappaKid83

Everyone, please do yourselves a solid and report your poor experiences to the Better Business Bureau, accountability needs to start somewhere.

Ratzkifal

Elsonso wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Not my fault they had 3 maintenance and they still haven't fix it, so as far as I can see I'm entitled to keep the chapter as they have f***ed up 3 times now

I don't see it that way. You know you did not pay for it. You know it is not being handed out for free to players. You should know you are not "entitled" to it, no matter how many times they try to fix it, until ZOS says you are.

Unless you think to yourself "oh, looks like I preordered it after all". Admittedly that's not going to be the case for most people but it is for some...

scorpius2k1

I really wish I could refund my Greymoor chapter purchase at this point, especially when they are basically giving it out for free. Also, not too impressed with how small the new chapter overland is and it looks unfinished. Blackreach is very cool however. Anyway, I remember this same "free chapter to all" thing happening last year with Elsweyr, but it was handled a little better. Amazing how the same issues, bugs, and performance problems keep coming back time after time. Says a lot about internal organization when the same patterns always happen, it also speaks neglect and irresponsibility. I love ESO and will still play but it's the last time I will pay for anything in this game. Bethedsa/Zenimax, what happened? You are a multi-billion dollar company that used to be respected now broken products and being a constant joke meme is the normal. Seem our money is better spent Elsweyr for things that actually work.

robertthebard

MashmalloMan wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just to confirm, we are seeing the reports about this and investigating. Thank you all!

After watching 4 weeks of no replies to many of the well prepared threads on the PTS, tons of feedback on awful sets dead on arrival and this got you guys replying within minutes.

Of course when it has anything do with people getting free content, your company is quick to chime in and shut it down.

ZOS needs to seriously work on their PR management. It's awful. You make too many empty promises.

Don't even get me started on your awful comparison between a car model not being upgraded and VMA/VDSA weapons not being upgraded. Shameful.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I bought something, I'd want the company doing what they can to protect my investment. Seems like a pretty solid business practice to me.

scorpius2k1

robertthebard wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just to confirm, we are seeing the reports about this and investigating. Thank you all!

After watching 4 weeks of no replies to many of the well prepared threads on the PTS, tons of feedback on awful sets dead on arrival and this got you guys replying within minutes.

Of course when it has anything do with people getting free content, your company is quick to chime in and shut it down.

ZOS needs to seriously work on their PR management. It's awful. You make too many empty promises.

Don't even get me started on your awful comparison between a car model not being upgraded and VMA/VDSA weapons not being upgraded. Shameful.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I bought something, I'd want the company doing what they can to protect my investment. Seems like a pretty solid business practice to me.

LOL! Read what you said a few times and rethink it. A solid business practice wouldn't let something like this happen TWICE now. This also happened with Elsweyr. It shouldn't have happened in the first place. Your logic is a solid as ZoS!

Elsonso

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

I really wish I could refund my Greymoor chapter purchase at this point, especially when they are basically giving it out for free. Also, not too impressed with how small the new chapter overland is and it looks unfinished. Blackreach is very cool however. Anyway, I remember this same "free chapter to all" thing happening last year with Elsweyr, but it was handled a little better. Amazing how the same issues, bugs, and performance problems keep coming back time after time. Says a lot about internal organization when the same patterns always happen, it also speaks neglect and irresponsibility. I love ESO and will still play but it's the last time I will pay for anything in this game. Bethedsa/Zenimax, what happened? You are a multi-billion dollar company that used to be respected now broken products and being a constant joke meme is the normal. Seem our money is better spent Elsweyr for things that actually work.

Honestly? They are not giving it out for free.

robertthebard

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just to confirm, we are seeing the reports about this and investigating. Thank you all!

After watching 4 weeks of no replies to many of the well prepared threads on the PTS, tons of feedback on awful sets dead on arrival and this got you guys replying within minutes.

Of course when it has anything do with people getting free content, your company is quick to chime in and shut it down.

ZOS needs to seriously work on their PR management. It's awful. You make too many empty promises.

Don't even get me started on your awful comparison between a car model not being upgraded and VMA/VDSA weapons not being upgraded. Shameful.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I bought something, I'd want the company doing what they can to protect my investment. Seems like a pretty solid business practice to me.

LOL! Read what you said a few times and rethink it. A solid business practice wouldn't let something like this happen TWICE now. This also happened with Elsweyr. It shouldn't have happened in the first place. Your logic is a solid as ZoS!

Yes, attempting to fix this mess is a solid business practice. You should not be allowed access to something that you didn't pay for. In any other scenario, it's called "stealing". Here, it's called "taking advantage of a bug, aka exploit", and is punishable up to and including a permanent ban on the account. If it were me, I'd hand a few out too, to set an example.

KappaKid83

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

I really wish I could refund my Greymoor chapter purchase at this point, especially when they are basically giving it out for free. Also, not too impressed with how small the new chapter overland is and it looks unfinished. Blackreach is very cool however. Anyway, I remember this same "free chapter to all" thing happening last year with Elsweyr, but it was handled a little better. Amazing how the same issues, bugs, and performance problems keep coming back time after time. Says a lot about internal organization when the same patterns always happen, it also speaks neglect and irresponsibility. I love ESO and will still play but it's the last time I will pay for anything in this game. Bethedsa/Zenimax, what happened? You are a multi-billion dollar company that used to be respected now broken products and being a constant joke meme is the normal. Seem our money is better spent Elsweyr for things that actually work.

I am not sure it was handled "better" as the people who created Necromancers were allowed to keep those characters and face no punishment. I paid for Elsweyr to be able to unlock Necro and level that class along with access that specific zone and to see people exploit it without repercussion was a slap in the face to me as a consumer. It makes you feel like you should get on right away, exploit something and then hope the company tells you that you can keep it(which with their track record you have been able to in some capacity). It is just bad business IMO.

Strider__Roshin

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Odd, if this happens in Destiny Bungie says that it's their bad so they just fix it without punishing those exploiting it. Different companies different mentalities I suppose.

Dr_Sinister

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Odd, if this happens in Destiny Bungie says that it's their bad so they just fix it without punishing those exploiting it. Different companies different mentalities I suppose.

It's not punishment to the one who is in the wrong. Wtf is wrong with you? That's like saying the criminal who stole someone elses wallet gets nothing and they just make wallets that are theft proof *facepalm*

Hexi

JamieAubrey wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Not my fault they had 3 maintenance and they still haven't fix it, so as far as I can see I'm entitled to keep the chapter as they have f***ed up 3 times now

Yes, not my fault people who make movies, tv shows and games can't properly protect their data, so it's not stealing to pirate everything. /s

DTStormfox

I can't access the zone because I didn't buy it.
However, the Crown Store thinks differently about that purchase.

DreamsUnderStars

ZOS isn't giving out Greymoor for free, it's a bug in their code they are trying to fix. Enough with the petulant whining.

Dusk_Coven

bluebird wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

How did this hurt you again? I mean, you realize it's not intentional, and that it will be fixed? Such a party pooper. Never understood this. I'm glad people had a chance to look around a bit, it doesn't hurt anyone, and it's only temporary.

It devalues people's purchases, and results in legitimate players getting less value for money than exploiters. That's the issue, it goes against any sense of fairness. It's not hard to understand.

If the bug resulted in only temporary access, that's fine. But it likely won't be temporary. During the Elsweyr bug last year, people were allowed to keep their Necromancer characters they created due to the bug. If people without Graymoor can keep features of Graymoor (Antiquities skill line they may have picked up during the bugged access), it's more than a temporary thing. Especially since many people only bought the Chapter for the Mythic items and Antiquities.

That would mean that players who haven't bought anything get 2 of the major features of Graymoor (Antiquities skill line and Mythic items) for free. Which would benefit exploiters and be a slap in the face of legitimate players - players who bought Greymoor and players who didn't buy Greymoor and reported the bug and stopped playing there.

Oh, poor you. How terrible that you can access content you didn't pay for. I really understand that sad face of yours. Must be a pain.

That's actually a confused face. Not a sad face.
And it's quite admirable of them to let ZOS know by posting bug reports, even if this really should have been fixed by now.

Tell me again how it hurts those who paid for it, if those who did not gets a temporary - unintended - access to content they did not pay for, even if it means they can keep bits and pieces of it once the access is being revoked? "Not fair" is not enough, that's a subjective opinion and a feeling. How does it affect you negatively?

I already explained to you. Legit player doesn't exploit (instead of rushing ahead in content that they shouldn't have access to, in order to get as much stuff done as possible). If they ever want to have Antiquities or Mythic items, it will cost them the full Chapter price. Doing the right thing costs them money, while doing the wrong thing would have saved them money. That's not just a feeling.

Exploiters get to keep the Chapter features. Not due to a free giveaway, or random chance but due to their own active exploitative action (going where they weren't supposed to have access to, playing stuff they know they haven't bought). They didn't get Antiquities (and thus access to Mythic items) by an accident that happens randomly, but as a reward for actively participating in a bug.

So devaluing a purchase and insulting justice by rewarding exploiters is plenty reason enough to be harmed by this. It's harmful for the community as it encourages exploitation in the present and the future, and harmful for ZOS too as it undermines consumer trust. But fyi 'hurts you' is also just a feeling, or a figurative damage. Unless you think people are bleeding out in front of their computers lol. So yeah, bugs of this nature, if unresolved, are damaging.

Way too many exploiters in the game and in the forums trying to reason their way out of why their exploit isn't an exploit. You see these frightened cheaters every time they exploit something, trying to shout down people and make the threads go away so they can quietly enjoy their ill-gotten gains.
And ZOS's mistakes and inability to fix things doesn't help. It just validates their exploit, emboldens them to do it again, and encourages others to join in next time. ZOS needs to make a statement about it as early as possible.

Dusk_Coven

DTStormfox wrote: »

I can't access the zone because I didn't buy it.
However, the Crown Store thinks differently about that purchase.

I wonder if your @name is similar to or close to someone else's @name and they fat-fingered it when they were giving access manually to someone.

dhboy123

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Odd, if this happens in Destiny Bungie says that it's their bad so they just fix it without punishing those exploiting it. Different companies different mentalities I suppose.

It's not punishment to the one who is in the wrong. Wtf is wrong with you? That's like saying the criminal who stole someone elses wallet gets nothing and they just make wallets that are theft proof *facepalm*

That is a terrible analogy.

Dr_Sinister

dhboy123 wrote: »

Dr_Sinister wrote: »

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

Odd, if this happens in Destiny Bungie says that it's their bad so they just fix it without punishing those exploiting it. Different companies different mentalities I suppose.

It's not punishment to the one who is in the wrong. Wtf is wrong with you? That's like saying the criminal who stole someone elses wallet gets nothing and they just make wallets that are theft proof *facepalm*

That is a terrible analogy.

Uh, not it's not. If you do something wrong knowing that it is wrong and it gets corrected, you aren't being punished by having your special toy that you don't deserve taken away. You don't get to keep something that doesn't belong to you

Jayne_Doe

I certainly hope that they're also able to somehow lock the antiquities system for those who didn't purchase Greymoor, just as they are locking access to the zone. They can keep the skill lines, but can't advance them or use the antiquarian's eye.

I'm not 100% positive, as I can't test this, but I think that for someone who had access to Summerset strictly through ESO+ and then dropped it, would no longer be able to access JC stations, even though they have the skill line.

And as far as the Elsweyr bug, at least it didn't happen at launch. Wasn't it a bug with the subsequent update? If I'm remembering correctly, at least by that point, the game had been on discount a couple times and many of us had been playing since it's launch.

This is a bit different, as players are getting free access at launch. I can see letting players keep their free necro and just locking access to the chapter, though I wish they would have just locked that character slot from being accessed. Thus they can keep it, but can't play it until they own Elsweyr.

So, I hope they figure out a way to lock the Antiquities system even if someone has the skill lines. As that's a pretty big selling point of the chapter (though, I suppose necro was for Elsweyr).

We'll see what happens. I'm disappointed, of course, that this happened in the first place, and equally disappointed at the players who feel that they're entitled to play what they didn't pay for due to this bug. But, if they get locked out of access to all chapter features and just get to keep what they already earned (including any antiquities and pre-order bonuses), then that's a good result.

Fawn4287

This is like when that kid in class reminded the teacher they hadn’t set homework yet

max_only

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

SHUT UP MAN

Spoiling it for others

You know, anybody who exploits it now may receive harsh disciplinary actions. Like it was when people started to "invest" gold from excessive bids return.
I mean if you value your account, it is better not to touch it. (I don't own Greymoor so i don't care if people receive it for free, it's just friendly remainder given the story with trading bids extra money)

@MartiniDaniels
Like the people who got free Necromancers and nothing was done to them?
Give me a break, this is a foolish statement

robertthebard

Fawn4287 wrote: »

This is like when that kid in class reminded the teacher they hadn’t set homework yet

Hey, don't let anyone stop you mate, you do you. Just don't come here whining about how you got banned for exploiting a known bug. You should know, however, that it won't be a direct result of forum posts. They're going to be looking at your game account to see what you've been up to. It's nobody's fault but your own, and if they decide "Well, they were all over the place on the forums trying to stop us from uncovering it, let's just permaban them", you've got no one to blame but yourself. You see, intelligent criminals don't talk about their crimes, you never know who's listening.