ESO Players base up 75% in the last 60 days

Jaxious79

There is a lot of chatter on here about how everyone is leaving and not buying the next chapter. Now my own experience knows this isnt true just based on logging into the game.

A nice poster tried to point out that steam numbers are tanking. Well me being me when someone says something I'm going to look.

Well it turns out in the last 60 days ESO steam population is up 75%. Other than last month the last 30 days has been the best Average and peak number EVER on steam. ESO is currently the 28th most playes game and the #1 mmorpg on steam.

Now I'm aware steam eso isnt a large percentage of players overall. BUT if some on here feel getting 100 votes on a poll translate to how the game is then it's fair to say a 75% increase and #1 current mmorpg on steam also holds water.

Giljabrar

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

Jaxious79

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

[snip] Maybe those new players will enjoy the game more because the toxic vets are bailing. There is always a positive when forum poster claim they are leaving in droves in my experience.

[Edited for Baiting]

Rake

We are/were in global pandemic state where ton of people were forced to stay home.
Guess what, many did play video games.

karekiz

In terms of total population of the game, the forums, or even those that have read the patches notes are probably super minority.

Talked with people that had 0 idea that Normal Maelstrom would be dropping weapons for example, and thats in the last week or two.

daemonor

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

[snip] Maybe those new players will enjoy the game more because the toxic vets are bailing. There is always a positive when forum poster claim they are leaving in droves in my experience.

[Edited for Baiting]


yes enjoy wiping on moon hunter keep normal indeed once you got nothing but roleplayers and housing fanatics left in this game.

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[Edited for Baiting]

Czekoludek

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

[snip] Maybe those new players will enjoy the game more because the toxic vets are bailing. There is always a positive when forum poster claim they are leaving in droves in my experience. [Edited for Baiting]

Guess what, without this "toxic"players there will be no theorycrafting around, more then half content creators will vanish and there will be even less info about this mmo on the market. Check your presious steam numbers, there was a free eso event recently + announcement of the new chapter + ppl stay in home because of pandemic. Free eso event is over and game suddenly lost almost 20% of the steam population and is still droping before the chapter release. Guess how many new ppl stay when other mmos will hit the market (New World or new WoW chapter that right now is praised cuz looks like it will be much better then BfA, to name the few).
All what's left will be housing/questing community and toxics like you.

xXMeowMeowXx

Those are bots boosting the numbers probably jk

Cx, I am still here since beta and will stay as long as I am having fun.

Though with that said, this has been the first time in all those years that I have started playing other PvP games too. The horrible performance coupled with the constant wild changes have pushed me that direction.

I still play PvP in ESO but not everyday, as I always did for years.

So numbers maybe going up but what are the real numbers of the longtime players leaving. Ik from my friends and acquaintances, that sadly a lot have left or are barely playing anymore.

Mainly due to performance....

Tandor

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

That's true of some of the forum PvPers and Trialists. The impact of them going is likely to be minimal given that they are only a small sample of a minority of the playerbase in the first place. In any event, I'd take most of the QQ posts with a proverbial pinch of salt, partly because we hear the same thing every update so far as balancing is concerned, and the whole time so far as performance is concerned, and partly because we know that those who leave for pastures new invariably return when they find that things are no different elsewhere and that ESO is actually the best game out there at the moment, warts and all. Moreover, most of those players don't say they're leaving, most say they're cancelling their subs, although whether they do so or not is never really established. I can well understand all the hot air, but that's very probably all it is most of the time.

gatekeeper13

Czekoludek wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

[snip] Maybe those new players will enjoy the game more because the toxic vets are bailing. There is always a positive when forum poster claim they are leaving in droves in my experience.

Guess what, without this "toxic"players there will be no theorycrafting around, more then half content creators will vanish and there will be even less info about this mmo on the market. Check your presious steam numbers, there was a free eso event recently + announcement of the new chapter + ppl stay in home because of pandemic. Free eso event is over and game suddenly lost almost 20% of the steam population and is still droping before the chapter release. Guess how many new ppl stay when other mmos will hit the market (New World or new WoW chapter that right now is praised cuz looks like it will be much better then BfA, to name the few).
All what's left will be housing/questing community and toxics like you.

From my personal experience, lots of of vet players have already left. In 1 of my guilds (and its a big one), only the newest members are active. Most veteran (and pretty skilled) players have vanished, some of them dont login at all.

Personally, its been 1+ month since I last played PVP in Cyro. As for PVE, I only do my crafting writs and logout. (I used to play like 6-7 hours daily).

The upcoming changes, performance and lack of worthy content is a huge letdown for me.

Mindcr0w

It is kind of silly to use global pandemic population numbers as proof that the population is going up. This is almost certainly a short term spike.

That said, cries of people leaving in droves are also likely very overblown. According to every MMO forum ever:

Every MMO is always dying.
It is always the vets that are leaving in huge numbers.
No one still playing any MMO after X Event will be able to complete any content because only hopeless scrubs will remain.

The cycle continues. WoW has been dying since at least 2006. Someone really needs to put that one out of its misery already.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Jaxious79 wrote: »

There is a lot of chatter on here about how everyone is leaving and not buying the next chapter. Now my own experience knows this isnt true just based on logging into the game.

A nice poster tried to point out that steam numbers are tanking. Well me being me when someone says something I'm going to look.

Well it turns out in the last 60 days ESO steam population is up 75%. Other than last month the last 30 days has been the best Average and peak number EVER on steam. ESO is currently the 28th most playes game and the #1 mmorpg on steam.

Now I'm aware steam eso isnt a large percentage of players overall. BUT if some on here feel getting 100 votes on a poll translate to how the game is then it's fair to say a 75% increase and #1 current mmorpg on steam also holds water.

Well, personal fact-checking is always a good thing, no matter the subject.
ESO players (like, I suppose, many MMO-players) think something like "I'm leaving = everybody's leaving", "one of my friend is leaving = everybody's leaving", etc...
The guild system emphasizes this, since guild members with strong bonds tend to influence each other into staying or leaving and therefore give the impression of a gamewide trend, which it isn't.

That being said, the current pandemic situation has put many, many people workless and homebound in front of computers and therefore into games. All video games (especially MMOs and their strong social component) have been benefitting from this situation. The interesting thing would be to know how ESO has managed in the past weeks as compared to other games/MMOs.
I for one believe ESO has been , is and still will be extremely successful in the coming years.

Jaxious79

Mindcr0w wrote: »

It is kind of silly to use global pandemic population numbers as proof that the population is going up as anything more than a short term spike.

That said cries of people leaving in droves are also likely very overblown. According to every MMO forum ever:

Every MMO is always dying.
It is always the vets that are leaving in huge numbers.
No one still playing any MMO after X Event will be able to complete any content because only hopeless scrubs will remain.

The cycle continues. WoW has been dying since at least 2006. Someone really needs to put that one out of its misery already.

That's my point. If the negative posters feel 100 votes on a poll on these forums proves their point then is fair to say the highest two months ever on steam prove the opposite.

AMeanOne

Oh yes, the huge influx of new players will love the 5 second long delay on abilities. It's such a great first impression.

Mindcr0w

Jaxious79 wrote: »

That's my point. If the negative posters feel 100 votes on a poll on these forums proves their point then is fair to say the highest two months ever on steam prove the opposite.

I wouldn't generally expect that responding to fallacious thinking with fallacious thinking would promote productive discussion.

Jaxious79

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

That's my point. If the negative posters feel 100 votes on a poll on these forums proves their point then is fair to say the highest two months ever on steam prove the opposite.

I wouldn't generally expect that responding to fallacious thinking with fallacious thinking would promote productive discussion.

But my thinking is fallacious its supported by raw data.

bearbelly

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

That's my point. If the negative posters feel 100 votes on a poll on these forums proves their point then is fair to say the highest two months ever on steam prove the opposite.

I wouldn't generally expect that responding to fallacious thinking with fallacious thinking would promote productive discussion.

Video game forums wouldn't exist without that paradigm.

Knightpanther

Jaxious79 wrote: »

There is a lot of chatter on here about how everyone is leaving and not buying the next chapter. Now my own experience knows this isnt true just based on logging into the game.

A nice poster tried to point out that steam numbers are tanking. Well me being me when someone says something I'm going to look.

Well it turns out in the last 60 days ESO steam population is up 75%. Other than last month the last 30 days has been the best Average and peak number EVER on steam. ESO is currently the 28th most playes game and the #1 mmorpg on steam.

Now I'm aware steam eso isnt a large percentage of players overall. BUT if some on here feel getting 100 votes on a poll translate to how the game is then it's fair to say a 75% increase and #1 current mmorpg on steam also holds water.

New expansion on its way = goldselling/boosting/account selling sites buying accounts to get ready.

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Ratzkifal

Wasn't the last free trial period less than 60 days ago? That's probably it...

Mettaricana

Up 75% 60days because the greymoor character uses the safe word skyrim causing thousands of skyrim hypers to swarm the game expected skyrim nostalgia kinda like when vvardenfell dropped its bomb the es3 nostalgia chasers came flooding

JusticeSouldier

Jaxious79 wrote: »

There is a lot of chatter on here about how everyone is leaving and not buying the next chapter. Now my own experience knows this isnt true just based on logging into the game.

A nice poster tried to point out that steam numbers are tanking. Well me being me when someone says something I'm going to look.

Well it turns out in the last 60 days ESO steam population is up 75%. Other than last month the last 30 days has been the best Average and peak number EVER on steam. ESO is currently the 28th most playes game and the #1 mmorpg on steam.

Now I'm aware steam eso isnt a large percentage of players overall. BUT if some on here feel getting 100 votes on a poll translate to how the game is then it's fair to say a 75% increase and #1 current mmorpg on steam also holds water.

as each time when new chapter announced.
especially when it's built at strong basement like previous rpg Elder Scrolls.
it was at Morriwind release.
now we have Skyrim...
sure it's best advertisement.
but, nope, it's not constant result.
we have strong lag, bad attitude to playerbase !even idea of arena weapons to not be upgraded = no respect to player! and things I didn't wanted at all .
boring farm of "artifacts" + vampirism changed - both things are not for all community.
I don't want to buy greymoor. nothing interesting there for me except idk name of chapter.
very many highly dissapointed with that.
it's kind of replacement of old players with new ones.
but huge loose of core playerbase in general prolonged in time which will be highly visible in 1-2 month after Skyrim release.
when many new players will stop playing as it usually going on when game isn't reliable and will be clear that many old ones left also and something wrong in this citadel of pink glasses.

Ri_Khan

The Steam player stats are actually showing there's about 3000 less players on average this week than there was for the same time period last year. However small, that's definitely a loss. Just because it bumped up to 50K for a week during one of the most popular events of the year that happened to coincide with a free trial AND a global pandemic doesn't mean squat. Every game on Steam saw a massive increase as well.

Also, the last 60 days is showing less than a 50% increase, nowhere close to 75% as claimed in the title.

Taylor_MB

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

That's my point. If the negative posters feel 100 votes on a poll on these forums proves their point then is fair to say the highest two months ever on steam prove the opposite.

I wouldn't generally expect that responding to fallacious thinking with fallacious thinking would promote productive discussion.

But my thinking is fallacious its supported by raw data.

You can't say you're supported by data without taking into account influencing factors like... a global pandemic keeping millions of people at home increasing playership of literally every game.

If you want to be backed up by data, compare ESO steam charts to other MMO (steam) charts and see how the ESO player gain compares to the average against comparable games.

SydneyGrey

I suspect that if a person leaves the game, or hears of one person leaving, they then tend to massively exaggerate things and rush to the forums to claim that "everybody" is leaving. That's why I ignore posts like that. They always want to think that everybody else in the game feels exactly like they do.

Jayroo

everyone "leaving" is just people who are going to play new world for a week and realize they got 'black desert'd' and come back and realize how dumb it is that they quit over a vampire skill change when they never played it in the first place.

It's the cycle for every mmorpg I've ever played ever. People like to be mad at stuff than come back and keep playing it. only butthurt angry people use forums so popular posts end up being a circle jerk with 1 or 2 people disagreeing

x48rph

Almost every semi popular game has experienced a significant rise in population thanks to the epidemic. Lets wait until things calm down and then look at the numbers. It was on the decline before this whole mess started. Pretty sure that's why they picked skyrim for the expansion to begin with. It has fan appeal. I imagine there would of been an increase anyway as skyrim fanboys flocked to the game with the chapter coming out but it won't be long before the shiny fades away and they realize one, this isn't anything like skyrim and two, how much hot garbage this game is in terms of performance and what not and they will leave.

Jayroo

x48rph wrote: »

Almost every semi popular game has experienced a significant rise in population thanks to the epidemic. Lets wait until things calm down and then look at the numbers. It was on the decline before this whole mess started. Pretty sure that's why they picked skyrim for the expansion to begin with. It has fan appeal. I imagine there would of been an increase anyway as skyrim fanboys flocked to the game with the chapter coming out but it won't be long before the shiny fades away and they realize one, this isn't anything like skyrim and two, how much hot garbage this game is in terms of performance and what not and they will leave.

so you're telling me people come back to games they like even though it's flawed when there is not any better options?!

Commancho

Base game is dirty cheap. Most of new players will leave and it's normal life cycle of any game. However banning and censoring your community is not OK. Pushing out more paid content while the state of the game is unplayble for almost a year is not OK. I'm afraid that your hype towards new players is very exaggarated.

Nyteshade

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

Pretty much the case with every MMO, everywhere. "Vet's" are on every MMO forum for every game, saying the same thing from what I see, or at least the ones I play or have played.

Oh, for the good ole days when there were no forums

Sange13

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure people are specifying that veterans are leaving. We all know there's been a huge influx of new players.

It's the people who have been playing for years that are leaving, fed up with feedback being ignored, and server performance at it's worst point in this games history. Which is saying something, given its performance has never been the best on the market to begin with.

[snip] Maybe those new players will enjoy the game more because the toxic vets are bailing. There is always a positive when forum poster claim they are leaving in droves in my experience.

[Edited for Baiting]

Oh, yeah. Those players are so toxic for wanting a stable server to play on, not be constantly interrupted in PvP by random loading screens every 5-12 seconds, or being able to at least bring one friend into BGs since this is, after all, not only an MMO, but BGs themselves are supposed to be a team-oriented mode. Yeah, it's totally the players that are the problem here.