ZOS you really need to fix this (PvP) - 2021 Update

DTStormfox

August 2021:

The same issues still exist today. I've also looked up some older discussions on this matter. It turns out that server lag is an issue that always existed. Take for example:

• this post from 2019.
• this post from 2018.
• this post from 2017.
• this post from 2016.
• this post from 2015.
• this post from 2014.

These posts are just a small selection of discussions on the Forums over the past 7 years. You (the reader) can make up your own mind about what this tells you.

April 2020:
This is probably one of a billion threats so far about the server lag. However, I wanted to mention that I have played this game since it was first available to the public, and I have seen some bad lag in the past.

After a few weeks of not playing, I couldn't help but notice that the lag on the EU server currently is extremely bad. And I mean, really really really bad. I have never seen the lag is so bad in this game before. I have seen some hiccups where server lag was temporarily extreme but that was temporary. The current lag is constant and that makes a hugely different experience. Since ZOS wants to see constructive feedback on the game on the forums, I present the following issues caused by lag:

- Abilities don't work by pressing the designated buttons unless you press them like a monkey on speed.
- Dodging doesn't work
- Getting stunned or knocked in the sky (such as with Take Flight) literally is delayed by several seconds and gets you glued to the ground for several seconds.
- Snares completely glue you to the ground and disallow you to use any ability or form of movement.
- Enemies dodging your attacks renders them invulnerable for not just a moment, but sometimes over 3-5 seconds.
- Damaging abilities simply don't 'land' on the enemy.
- Healing abilities simply do not heal or only after several seconds have passed.
- NPCs are sometimes invulnerable and teleport (slide) over the ground for seconds after being stunned.
- Mounting gets you stuck in the whistling part of the animation for seconds.
- People are rubber banding on screen.
- Random loading screens appear in the middle of nowhere.
- NPCs sometimes just appear out of nothing or disappear into nothing.
- Snare immunity abilities (e.g. from Forward Momentum) don't activate at all.
- Hard CC immunity abilities don't activate most of the time.
- Hard CC immunity after breaking free doesn't activate most of the time.
- Breaking free doesn't work > half of the time.
- Animations of abilities often do not work or do not show their visual effect when active.
- Animations of abilities stop halfway through the animation, costing resources but not applying the effect from the abilities.
- After dodge rolling, the ability bar greys out (a.k.a. you cannot activate abilities) for several seconds.
- Activating/using a potion is often impossible unless you really spam the button.
- Damage from abilities 'arrive' seconds after actually dealing the damage. (also received damage arrives seconds after being dealt to the receiver).
- Health desyncs
- Resource desyncs

In short: the lag is killing the PvP game.
It wouldn't hurt the game if some of the ESO: Plus money was actually spent on optimizing the servers or optimizing the games engine to reduce calculations needed on the server-side of the game.


UPDATE for PvE issues:
- Bosses lag out.
- Skills do not fire.
- NPCs are 'sliding' on the ground, and are often impossible to damage while they are 'sliding'.
- Random serverside lag spikes instantly kill players.
- Lots and lots of desyncs of resources (health, stamina, and magicka).
- Delayed resource recovery.
- Delayed damage 'hits' from direct damage abilities.
- Delayed heal 'hits' from direct heal abilities.
- Slow rendering of serverside content.
- Rubberbanding of players.
- Stuns caused by NPCs are delayed (delay between visual and actual effect).
- CC immunity after hard CC often doesn't activate and leaves you open to a series of stuns (obviously caused by serverside lag) draining all your stamina (if you still have anything left).
- Breaking free is sometimes 'blocked' even though the client-side of the game indicates that enough stamina resources are available.
- Resources sometimes simply drain without reason.
- Activating a buff or heal over time does play the visual but doesn't actually take into effect.
- Activating potions: well..good luck with that, it is nearly impossible.
- Light or heavy attack weaving is nearly impossible due to lag.
- Health desyncs
- Resource desyncs
- Random loading screens in PVE environments in random locations
- and the list continues...


And as a disclaimer:
- No, this is not an 'I quit threat'.
- No, it is not my internet connection (Speedtest: 19 PR, 51.44 Mbps download, 20.64 Mbps upload, and no packet loss).
- No, it is not because I am gaming via WiFi (I play al sorts of MMO games and they are all fine).
- No, it is not my FPS (which is >30 all of the time, which is reasonable).
- No, I do not own a potato (I can run Crisis on this, and I admit, old machine)
- Yes, I tried disabling addons.
- Yes, I tried repairing my game.
- Yes, I tried reinstalling my game.
- Yes, I tried clearing my computer's cache.
- Yes, I tried restarting my computer.

High_Solar

Pvp is really terrible at the moment both Cyro and bgs. I can't even understand whats going on at times, today i had a scenario where i was fighting another DK difference i was 2h/snb he was 2h/dw and i couldnt damage him can't even drop his health with me putting on him my dots, petrify and then spamming dizzy, nothing he is still on 100%. Dude breaks free, swaps to his 2h he fossilizes me hits me 4-5 times i die, literally doing the same thing i did minus the dots. I have a snb he has dw i should be the tankier guy, but nah. During the course of the whole bg dude was immortal and he wrecked everything. He was animation cancelling really fast his dizzies had no charge up animations and there were no heavy/medium attacks only light ones.

Next bg i was the guy in his shoes. 3 Guys on a flag trying to cap i charge and kill all 3 of them they managed to drop me to 50%. All of them were doing below 1.5k damage on attacks and skills, this has happens way to often on my end aswell, i might be in the top 5 damage dealers in the bg but sometimes my attacks also deal around 1.5k -2k dmg, and thats with around 3.5k -4k weapon dmg on a robe wearing magika build. And i know this shouldn't be the case in both scenarios. Latency and even FPS is getting worse for me with every patch. My normal latency in BGs is 120-140 with 30-40 fps. This wasn't like this 1-2 years ago.

DukeDiewalker

Not that performance was "good" before but ... it is all started to be absolutely unplayable since the block changes. Coincidence? No.

Arca94

This latest patch has really put all previous lag into perspective. It was bad before, but now it's on a totally different level.

I've played this game since beta and this is the first time I've quit due to performance, it really is just not worth playing right now if you're at all invested in doing anything mechanically challenging.

The fact that this was meant to be a patch to improve performance is utterly shameful.

xshatox

At this point i dont think they are not willing but probably doesnt have resources to do it or doesnt know how to fix it yet. Seeing their performance improvement that span 2 years i think they doing it by trial and error.

Thogard

No that can’t be right. You should check your ISPs. This was a performance patch.

Feizao

DukeDiewalker wrote: »

Not that performance was "good" before but ... it is all started to be absolutely unplayable since the block changes. Coincidence? No.

U N P L A Y A B L E
Just to bring down the skill gap. Reacting too fast with my defense punishes me.. pvp and pve
even tanking feels like crap.

Hymzir

My PVP sessions have gone from 2-3 times a week to 2-3 times a month. The performance is so bad that I simply can't deal with the aggravation more than that. I once used to play daily, but that was a long long time ago.

PVP doesn't pay the bills for ESO (which is just a roundabout way of saying "doesn't rake in the profits") so I don't really expect to see any changes on this front. Ever.

WoppaBoem

Spot on thank you,......

Crash427

It really bothers me that they flat out lied to us about the block changes. They said it was mostly a behind the scenes change and that the only thing we'd really notice is smoother animations. Well, we've noticed a lot more than that. And now they won't even own up to their mistake and at the very least revert the changes. Is it pride? Incompetence? I'm not trying to bash the devs, since that's against the forum rules, I just don't know what else to think since they haven't exactly given us much beyond "we're looking in to it."

Vaoh

Literally it’s never going to go back to how it was. Sorry but the sooner you accept that, the easier it will be to let go and play better games for PvP (games that actually work).

ESO had amazing PvP but now it’s completely broken performance, animation, balance, and basically everything-wise. Rip Nick Konkle’s vision.

idk

I think it would be hard for Zos to not be aware of this right now.

fred4

High_Solar wrote: »

Pvp is really terrible at the moment both Cyro and bgs. I can't even understand whats going on at times, today i had a scenario where i was fighting another DK difference i was 2h/snb he was 2h/dw and i couldnt damage him can't even drop his health with me putting on him my dots, petrify and then spamming dizzy, nothing he is still on 100%. Dude breaks free, swaps to his 2h he fossilizes me hits me 4-5 times i die, literally doing the same thing i did minus the dots. I have a snb he has dw i should be the tankier guy, but nah. During the course of the whole bg dude was immortal and he wrecked everything. He was animation cancelling really fast his dizzies had no charge up animations and there were no heavy/medium attacks only light ones.

Next bg i was the guy in his shoes. 3 Guys on a flag trying to cap i charge and kill all 3 of them they managed to drop me to 50%. All of them were doing below 1.5k damage on attacks and skills, this has happens way to often on my end aswell, i might be in the top 5 damage dealers in the bg but sometimes my attacks also deal around 1.5k -2k dmg, and thats with around 3.5k -4k weapon dmg on a robe wearing magika build. And i know this shouldn't be the case in both scenarios. Latency and even FPS is getting worse for me with every patch. My normal latency in BGs is 120-140 with 30-40 fps. This wasn't like this 1-2 years ago.

Hahaha, I've been there. I was on a level 19 Transmute Crystal grinding character in the CP campaign inside a hostile keep. I was practically invulnerable to players and half the keep guards didn't react to my presence. I nearly funneled a full CP player to death, while he could do hardly anything to me. Wish I'd recorded it.

Jakx

Most importantly we got non-combat pet coding fixes. Which makes ZERO sense since they are deactivated anyway in places where performance is hurt the most lol.

Its quite obvious at this point its just something they cannot fix and have no intention of fixing. Its whether or not you choose to fall for the rouse.

Malthorne

I’ve been casually pvping since launch and last night was the absolute worst Cyrodiil performance ever I’ve witnessed. It was a literal slideshow at times.

Matchimus

Maybe not all doom & gloom for everyone. Is this the best time to obtain dyes for killing high lvl players cause they can't fight back? Maybe this is ZOS's way of making these dyes obtainable for the casual player...like vma weapons.

ShizaZepelli

@ZOS_GinaBruno have more than 1 month your people say something about this, we need a fix for this.

oxygen_thief

ShizaZepelli wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno have more than 1 month your people say something about this, we need a fix for this.

check you addons and reset you router. do you want to read it from them?

Parasaurolophus

The problems now are not only in PVP. My raid and I cannot finish the Navintas hardmod again and again, because strong lags and a desync start. The trial becomes unplayable.

ZOS_FalcoYamaoka

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nejcn001

Never played Cyrodill since of all the lag posts and time consuming.
Mostly stayed to BG's... but today we all had 200-300 ping in a BG...this is the last straw. BG's can be optimized unlike Cyrodil, since it doesnt need to scale with more players.

Vevvev

I still remember picking up the Hammer and it disappeared for 6 seconds before appearing in my hands. In that time I was thinking it went back to Oblivion or something and I'm lucky the EP didn't push through and get me while in the corner during the wait.

Also Siege weapons cancel the fire order in the worst of the lag which forces you to spam the fire button constantly. I've also seen enemies getting hit with attacks and the server not even registering the damage, and this was after hitting the button 5+ times just to get that ability to even cast.

Sometimes this lag spills over into the rest of the world when doing open world duels as well as in trials, dungeons, and battlegrounds. I love this game to death but the performance is making it very frustrating to play.

justaquickword

Breaking News. Obviously they don't need to fix it.

technohic

Next year they're going to Cyrodiil for the story of the year. Cant have PVP there for that.

Curious_Death

DTStormfox wrote: »

This is probably one of a billion threats so far about the server lag.
However, I wanted to mention that I have played this game since it was first available to the public, and I have seen some bad lag in the past.
After a few weeks of not playing, I couldn't help but notice that the lag on the EU server currently is extremely bad. And I mean, really really really bad. I have never seen the lag is so bad in this game before. I have seen some hiccups where server lag was temporarily extreme but that was temporary. The current lag is constant and that makes a hugely different experience. Since ZOS wants to see constructive feedback on the game on the forums, I present the following issues caused by lag:
- Abilities don't work by pressing the designated buttons unless you press them like a monkey on speed.
- Dodging doesn't work
- Getting stunned or knocked in the sky (such as with Take Flight) literally is delayed by several seconds and gets you glued to the ground for several seconds.
- Snares completely glue you to the ground and disallow you to use any ability or form of movement.
- Enemies dodging your attacks renders them invulnerable for not just a moment, but sometimes over 3-5 seconds.
- Damaging abilities simply don't 'land' on the enemy.
- Healing abilities simply do not heal or only after several seconds have passed.
- NPCs are sometimes invulnerable and teleport (slide) over the ground for seconds after being stunned.
- Mounting gets you stuck in the whistling part of the animation for seconds.
- People are rubber banding on screen.
- Random loading screens appear in the middle of nowhere.
- NPCs sometimes just appear out of nothing or disappear into nothing.
- Snare immunity abilities (e.g. from Forward Momentum) don't activate at all.
- Hard CC immunity abilities don't activate most of the time.
- Hard CC immunity after breaking free doesn't activate most of the time.
- Breaking free doesn't work > half of the time.
- Animations of abilities often do not work or do not show their visual effect when active.
- Animations of abilities stop halfway through the animation, costing resources but not applying the effect from the abilities.
- After dodge rolling, the ability bar greys out (a.k.a. you cannot activate abilities) for several seconds.
- Activating/using a potion is often impossible unless you really spam the button.
- Damage from abilities 'arrive' seconds after actually dealing the damage. (also received damage arrives seconds after being dealt to the receiver).

In short: the lag is killing the PvP game.
It wouldn't hurt the game if some of the ESO: Plus money was actually spent on optimizing the servers or optimizing the games engine to reduce calculations needed on the server-side of the game.

And as a disclaimer:
- No, this is not an 'I quit threat'.
- No, it is not my internet connection (Speedtest: 19 PR, 51.44 Mbps download, 20.64 Mbps upload, and no packet loss).
- No, it is not because I am gaming via WiFi (I play al sorts of MMO games and they are all fine).
- No, it is not my FPS (which is >30 all of the time, which is reasonable).
- No, I do not own a potato (I can run Crisis on this, and I admit, old machine)
- Yes, I tried disabling addons.
- Yes, I tried repairing my game.
- Yes, I tried reinstalling my game.
- Yes, I tried clearing my computer's cache.
- Yes, I tried restarting my computer.

yes i sign under this with both hands and feets!
(ps. writing coz of loading screen after /reload - coz i couldnt use any skill in cyrodiil except potions... and my mount runned in same place when use sprint)

MusCanus

idk wrote: »

I think it would be hard for Zos to not be aware of this right now.

Maybe "we're looking into it" doesn't mean what we think it means?



Maybe they need help?

khajiitNPC

As a long time player and typical cheerleader for [snip], I used to not give too much merit to the cries of the PvP community. My suggestion was always “get something besides a potato to play the game”.
Which I apologize for.

With the “performance patch” it is beyond horrendous and disrespectful to the PvP community. Yes I understand this is not only a Cyrodiil thing, but in my opinion it is the worst offender. Cyrodiil has never been this laggy and unstable. Fix your code! Get more servers! This is preposterous.

[edited for flaming]

Major_Lag

technohic wrote: »

Next year they're going to Cyrodiil for the story of the year. Cant have PVP there for that.

Well, they are certainly "killing it". In more ways than one...

Curious_Death

Some good times in cyrodiil

" 2020-04-26 20-06-47-65

ps. u25 and that block change... pls revert it back let client decide... now this how undo works... i had this plenty times... and got killed in "dance of undo bug" soo much fun.

Mr_Walker

ZOS_FelipeF wrote: »

Greetings,
We had to remove some posts due to violating our rules involving baiting and bashing. Please keep your posts constructive and civil. If you have any questions about the actions being taken, please take a moment to review our community rules here.

Nothing about... actually fixing any of these issues?

Pinja

Curious_Death wrote: »

Some good times in cyrodiil

" 2020-04-26 20-06-47-65

ps. u25 and that block change... pls revert it back let client decide... now this how undo works... i had this plenty times... and got killed in "dance of undo bug" soo much fun.

Wow it's like your wall bouncing in Gears