Asylum Destro Staff change

Ezhh

Maulkin wrote: »

Is Asylum destro on 2 casts, even a valid option for other classes without the bug? Assuming PFGD is mainstay because of the Minor Slayer and many stat bonuses, does swapping MS for 3 willpower + Asylum even make sense dps wise unless you're an interrupter on vAS?

Yes, it's valid. You're even giving a possible scenario, though I never used it for that. I've been playing round with it for orb soloing on vCR, and though it's definitely easier to do on a magDK, it works on sorc too. Is it the absolute best approach? No idea. But I've seen many other sorcs using asylum destro for it too, and I enjoy experimenting with different set ups.

"Valid" doesn't need to be best in slot. Valid just means usable in reasonably serious groups without a huge dps loss. Since very few of us are actually score-pushing absolute end-game players (sadly most seem to be the reverse) it should be possible for quite a few set ups to fall into the area of valid.... Yet somehow barely anything does, even situationally, so it's a shame to lose an option for what seems like no real reason.

Nicalas

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Nicalas wrote: »

Did a little basic testing.

Equipped the Malacath Band of Brutality to remove critical chance.

Did 15 LA/15 Casts comparing Perfected Asylum Inferno to (2pc)Willpower Inferno w/Ele weapon.

What was the average uptime difference on Minor Vulnerability? You should test it on Target Iron Attro which is always affected by minor vuln. Or is this test on target attro already?

I used the Iron atro this time and included the # of each proc in the table.

Maulkin

Nicalas wrote: »

Concussion proc w/minor vuln and small variations in LA/S.

LA/S would not affect total damage, only dps. Unless you didn't do 15 light attacks. Also the iron atro has minor vuln permanently, which makes for a better test since a Warden Healer or DPS would keep 100% uptime on minor vuln for the raid.

The only thing I can think of, if your staves are same trait/enchant, is incidences of burning proc from the enchant.

EDIT: I hadn't seen your most recent post

Nicalas

What I am seeing is that the asylum destro no longer offers enough additional instances of burning to provide any meaningful or useful damage boost in the Every third cast form.

Olupajmibanan

Nicalas wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Nicalas wrote: »

Did a little basic testing.

Equipped the Malacath Band of Brutality to remove critical chance.

Did 15 LA/15 Casts comparing Perfected Asylum Inferno to (2pc)Willpower Inferno w/Ele weapon.

What was the average uptime difference on Minor Vulnerability? You should test it on Target Iron Attro which is always affected by minor vuln. Or is this test on target attro already?

I used the Iron atro this time and included the # of each proc in the table.

Yeah, thank you. After eliminating Minor Vulnerability volatility, the result is absolutely clear.

1) In case of DK (no1 Asylum inferno user) you simply switch Asylum Inferno for Perfect False God inferno (DKs used to run 5 elfbane, 2 Grothdarr/Zaan, 3 PFG, Asylum Inferno). That way you'll gain a lot of front bar stats while also making up for the sustain loss from dropping asylum inferno.

Verdict: Asylum ends in decon pile since there is clearly better option.

2) In case of magsorc (no2 Asylum inferno user) it's a matter of stat difference. Asylum Inferno + Imperial Wrath (109 SD + 833 crit + 1829 crit only on direct ranged attacks) VS Mother's Sorrow (1096 mag + 3590 crit). By switching to mother's sorrow you will gain 928 crit and loose 109 SD while alowing your big crit bonus to work with everything not only with direct ranged attacks. Minor vulnerability uptimes are super high even without AS destro (Tormentor alone makes like 70%, if you have warden in party it's 100% anyways) and additional burning procs, especialy on every third force shock simply aren't worth it.

Verdict: Asylum inferno into decon pile. Magsorcs situationaly used this for specific encounters, but if they wanted the extra uptimes on status effects, they could simply swap to Charged Mother's Sorrow inferno.

Maulkin

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

1) In case of DK (no1 Asylum inferno user) you simply switch Asylum Inferno for Perfect False God inferno (DKs used to run 5 elfbane, 2 Grothdarr/Zaan, 3 PFG, Asylum Inferno). That way you'll gain a lot of front bar stats while also making up for the sustain loss from dropping asylum inferno.

Verdict: Asylum ends in decon pile since there is clearly better option.

The verdict is clear but no sure I'd ever pair PFGD and ElfBane on MagDK. Not with the Vampire changes coming through at the same time as the Asylum nerf, as well the changes to Master's destro.

Olupajmibanan

Maulkin wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

1) In case of DK (no1 Asylum inferno user) you simply switch Asylum Inferno for Perfect False God inferno (DKs used to run 5 elfbane, 2 Grothdarr/Zaan, 3 PFG, Asylum Inferno). That way you'll gain a lot of front bar stats while also making up for the sustain loss from dropping asylum inferno.

Verdict: Asylum ends in decon pile since there is clearly better option.

The verdict is clear but no sure I'd ever pair PFGD and ElfBane on MagDK. Not with the Vampire changes coming through at the same time as the Asylum nerf, as well the changes to Master's destro.

I am not willing to return to melee spammable. Returning to whip (or Blood for Blood) means not getting invited over stamina classes again.

Decimus

I know most people are concerned over PvE when it comes to the change to Asylum Inferno, but I'd just like to point out that having it only work on 3rd cast completely ruins any prospect of using the staff in PvP - it's already a pita trying to land it twice in a row on someone dodging & LOS'ing, but 3 times? Thing is completely useless now & breaks up a lot of PvP builds.

Dillpat

Decimus wrote: »

I know most people are concerned over PvE when it comes to the change to Asylum Inferno, but I'd just like to point out that having it only work on 3rd cast completely ruins any prospect of using the staff in PvP - it's already a pita trying to land it twice in a row on someone dodging & LOS'ing, but 3 times? Thing is completely useless now & breaks up a lot of PvP builds.

especially trying to get 3 uses in 5 GCDs when buffs/heals/what not else needs to be cast.

Olupajmibanan

Last chance. I know that they generaly don't listen to feedback. They simply mindlessly do 20 uncalled changes and then change one back based on feedback to say "We listen to your feedback". I am used to this system but why this one thing back can't be Asylum Destro? It's like lottery: "Who will be the lucky winner of changing back the uncalled nerf?"

Olupajmibanan

Perfected Asylum Inferno Staff now can be definitely without any hesitation renamed into Mastic Sanded Ruby Ash Staff. I think this should be done to better match the name of the staff and its purpose.

colossalvoids

Well it's dead now officially, was nice to have something different for some years, all hail similar setups yet again.

Kolzki

This is a buff if you need bag space.

Jodynn

Perfected Garbage

kojou

I would save one staff in a box in your house... When they make another pass on trials gear that is underused it will pop up again and get a buff.

Kadoin

Yeah, you gotta hoard all of your stuff for the unknown future.

How did that one song go again? Oh yea I think it was:

I still believe
that some day you and me
will find ourselves with a buffed Syvarra Scales...

I had a dream
That someday ZOS will see
That nerfs don't appeal to you and me

Hmm that doesn't sound quite right...I thought the subject matter was different...
Hmm...Wwell, seems legit enough for these forums. There are no Brendas that play ESO right!?