The one silver lining is that the added stat on the perfected version is so negligible that vMA can kiss my behind even with the upcoming changes. Still completely ludicrous that my current weapon is now equivalent to a normal clear drop, when I grinded vet for it. What a bold move considering how the game is rarely even... you know, working atm.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »No way I am spending so many hours of my life again to farm the "perfected versions". Not 1/100000000000.
What ZOS did was steal our efforts just to revive dead content. Did vMA like 50 times to farm all weapons I needed. No chance I am going that again.
They could have easily upgraded all current vMA weapons into Perfected and add a new, weaker weapon to drop from normal mode. But no, they had to ruin our gear so that we will play again a dead DLC content.
Most probably I ll just quit the game for good since it has turned into pointless, money-grabbing, unplayable mess. Its already been a month since I last PvP. Now to quit PVE too...
I guess my first question is whether it is even realistic, from the game/server perspective, to upgrade them? Is it even something that they could do, and get it right? I mean, I can see the "no soup for you" coming from them, but there might be more to it than just an arbitrary "no" decision.
You mean i can do normal and get the same stuff as all you vets , wow this is great.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »You mean i can do normal and get the same stuff as all you vets , wow this is great.
Normal will drop current Maelstrom weapons. Veteran will drop Perfected versions.
But people who spent hours and hours of their life to develop their skills and farm to get their Maelstrom weapons from Vet mode, will not see them upgraded to Perfected. On the contrary, they will have to do the same content again and again and again.
So I dont see how this is "great".
Moose_Scout wrote: »It took me a year to get the Master's Bow. When it finally dropped, I was shaking with excitement. Now it is just a piece-of-junk? I spend all my time in PVP. I specifically built a good PVE character, a magblade, to do vDSA. Now magblades are worthless, my gear is going to be worthless... pretty depressing really.
ZOS, you are invalidating our decisions to spend our TIME, our most valuable asset, in your game.
But ZOS gives zero craps about what the community thinks at this point. The game is big enough they will just look at overall stats and trends but ignore the player base that has made the game what it is. I joined in January 2015. Because of moves like this during this cycle, this will be the first month of canceling my ESO+ sub.
Way to screw long-time-players.
Moose_Scout wrote: »It took me a year to get the Master's Bow. When it finally dropped, I was shaking with excitement. Now it is just a piece-of-junk? I spend all my time in PVP. I specifically built a good PVE character, a magblade, to do vDSA. Now magblades are worthless, my gear is going to be worthless... pretty depressing really.
ZOS, you are invalidating our decisions to spend our TIME, our most valuable asset, in your game.
But ZOS gives zero craps about what the community thinks at this point. The game is big enough they will just look at overall stats and trends but ignore the player base that has made the game what it is. I joined in January 2015. Because of moves like this during this cycle, this will be the first month of canceling my ESO+ sub.
Way to screw long-time-players.
Moose_Scout wrote: »It took me a year to get the Master's Bow. When it finally dropped, I was shaking with excitement. Now it is just a piece-of-junk? I spend all my time in PVP. I specifically built a good PVE character, a magblade, to do vDSA. Now magblades are worthless, my gear is going to be worthless... pretty depressing really.
ZOS, you are invalidating our decisions to spend our TIME, our most valuable asset, in your game.
But ZOS gives zero craps about what the community thinks at this point. The game is big enough they will just look at overall stats and trends but ignore the player base that has made the game what it is. I joined in January 2015. Because of moves like this during this cycle, this will be the first month of canceling my ESO+ sub.
Way to screw long-time-players.
To be fair, it's not going to be junk. The perfect bonuses are negligible and not worth the effort to farm. The main issue as many see it, is the devaluation of player time and effort in earning something that can after greymoor releases be earned in normal. Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm glad zos have decided to provide a slightly lesser version of the weapons for normal clears. Its a good decision and I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity - - the bad decision is saying to everyone who has cleared vet that their rewards no longer count as veteran rewards, and if you want one, go run it another however many times. It isn't the stats on the bloody thing, but the fact that we've already earnt them many times over only to be told that we haven't.
Moose_Scout wrote: »So please, don't compare this to WOW updates with new content and new gear... this is not new content, just a random demotion.
Part of what makes ESO not like other MMORPGs is the combat, and the gear system, the 'unwritten' promise of horizontal progression you might say. Using the fact that other MMOs do x as an argument for why people who play ESO should stfu about ZOS doing things that it doesn't normally do and hasn't done in the last 6 years, or that breach the understanding of that 'unwritten' promise is a totally moot argument in this context. Especially when it misses the point of contention to begin with which is the setting of an entirely new precedent.
Moose_Scout wrote: »ZOS is like the evil kid on The Incredibles: "If everyone is super, nobody is"
vMA weapons will result in a DPS decrease on the wrong hands, they require skill to use like activating sinergies only on frost bar, not dropping AY stacks, keep siroria up, using spammables on front bar only, etc.
This Change won't help to raise floor, it will only make angry the veteran players with the regrind nonsense.
HllCntryHrrcane wrote: »I love this game and love the combat. I have refrained from commenting on this because I felt it would be addressed, but it looks like it may not. I like having so many set options to mix and match. I love the idea of a vMA and a Perfected vMA weapon. Same for vDSA. That being said, I think it is a terrible decision by ZOS to not upgrade all existing vMA and vDSA weapons that were earned in the same combat level that the new perfected weapons will drop in. All existing weapons should be upgraded...period. I will not enjoy farming for perfected versions under the current proposed conditions. I will be sour and likely will not do it. Also there is little incentive to battle through through Vet Arenas for the little gain that perfected is going to give. There should be more difference between the versions.
1. All existing weapons should be upgraded given that the arena difficultly is not being altered from which they were won
2. Perfect and normal weapons should have a higher difference as the difficulty of doing the content is not proportional to the gains in they give
3. if you ignore my previous 2 comments, a completion of the Arena content should allow for a choice in weapon reward...maybe not the trait but at least in the weapon type (i.e. destro staff, DW, 2H, Resto Staff, S&B)...whether you receive an ax or sword or infused or sharpened can still be random if you like but give some better incentive to doing the hard content
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @xynode
This as I stated before its no reason not to just rename and buff existing weapons, then add the normal version.I guess my first question is whether it is even realistic, from the game/server perspective, to upgrade them? Is it even something that they could do, and get it right? I mean, I can see the "no soup for you" coming from them, but there might be more to it than just an arbitrary "no" decision.
Yes, they can just upgrade all the existing versions into copies of the new versions. In fact, they should do this about a week in advance of the live changes for a few reasons:
A) "Early-access" for the people who earned it the hard way
Ensure that the upgrades are working properly before dropping the live changes
C) Avoid forcing players who already farmed that stuff the hard way having to do it again for no justifiable reason
D) Avoids having to come up with post hoc solutions to avoid f***ing the players from C over or simply doing so for no justifiable reason
khajiitNPC wrote: »I’m fine with farming it all again. In fact I’m glad they are doing it this way. I got so tired of seeing people paying to have someone run it for them. Looks like those who couldn’t farm it on their own have to pay again.
I have also been lurking hoping for some sort of communication. It sadly doesn’t look like we will be getting any. I found it interesting that you tagged a streamer. I sure hope that they aren’t making this stupid decision to not upgrade our vet weapons because some streamer wanted a reason to run vMA again.HllCntryHrrcane wrote: »I love this game and love the combat. I have refrained from commenting on this because I felt it would be addressed, but it looks like it may not. I like having so many set options to mix and match. I love the idea of a vMA and a Perfected vMA weapon. Same for vDSA. That being said, I think it is a terrible decision by ZOS to not upgrade all existing vMA and vDSA weapons that were earned in the same combat level that the new perfected weapons will drop in. All existing weapons should be upgraded...period. I will not enjoy farming for perfected versions under the current proposed conditions. I will be sour and likely will not do it. Also there is little incentive to battle through through Vet Arenas for the little gain that perfected is going to give. There should be more difference between the versions.
1. All existing weapons should be upgraded given that the arena difficultly is not being altered from which they were won
2. Perfect and normal weapons should have a higher difference as the difficulty of doing the content is not proportional to the gains in they give
3. if you ignore my previous 2 comments, a completion of the Arena content should allow for a choice in weapon reward...maybe not the trait but at least in the weapon type (i.e. destro staff, DW, 2H, Resto Staff, S&B)...whether you receive an ax or sword or infused or sharpened can still be random if you like but give some better incentive to doing the hard content
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @xynode
angelncelestine wrote: »I have also been lurking hoping for some sort of communication. It sadly doesn’t look like we will be getting any. I found it interesting that you tagged a streamer. I sure hope that they aren’t making this stupid decision to not upgrade our vet weapons because some streamer wanted a reason to run vMA again.HllCntryHrrcane wrote: »I love this game and love the combat. I have refrained from commenting on this because I felt it would be addressed, but it looks like it may not. I like having so many set options to mix and match. I love the idea of a vMA and a Perfected vMA weapon. Same for vDSA. That being said, I think it is a terrible decision by ZOS to not upgrade all existing vMA and vDSA weapons that were earned in the same combat level that the new perfected weapons will drop in. All existing weapons should be upgraded...period. I will not enjoy farming for perfected versions under the current proposed conditions. I will be sour and likely will not do it. Also there is little incentive to battle through through Vet Arenas for the little gain that perfected is going to give. There should be more difference between the versions.
1. All existing weapons should be upgraded given that the arena difficultly is not being altered from which they were won
2. Perfect and normal weapons should have a higher difference as the difficulty of doing the content is not proportional to the gains in they give
3. if you ignore my previous 2 comments, a completion of the Arena content should allow for a choice in weapon reward...maybe not the trait but at least in the weapon type (i.e. destro staff, DW, 2H, Resto Staff, S&B)...whether you receive an ax or sword or infused or sharpened can still be random if you like but give some better incentive to doing the hard content
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @xynode