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Nightblades have it bad and Cloak is now nearly unusable (Previous Thread Expanded)
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Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Czekoludek wrote: »You still can one shot ppl (and should be able to if you have build focused 100% on damage, sacrificing everything else) but as a blade against good players you can do that by onslaught from cloak (hard to perform except when entering fight from cloak) or by bombing (mostly, incap ppl from stealth isn't really reliable way to do that). Sorcs for example are better gankers now then blades (they can engage from stealth/invis pots and kill ppl with burst combo that blade can only dream of) and can build that with some defence while Nb's to get similar (but still weaker) results need to go 100% into damage. As for bombing, currently necromancers are far superior in that then blades (harmony build, necro ulti bombing).
So why current blades build as glass cannon still hits weaker then other classes that have for example one defense set on themself? If because of cloak then yes, they should definitely change how it works now.
Ye there are specific situations that you can 1 shot that you can build for but not as effective as NB USED to be, which is what wont come back.
Nothing will beat being able to 1 shot someone from a place of no counter or danger and then be able to escape easily, which stamnb used to be king at.
Sorry but sorc ganking you with meteor have definitely better chance to escape (streak) then stamNB ever had. stamNB shouldn't be "that OP so half of the cyrodill needs to play them" (current state with stamdens and stamdks tbh) but they should reward you for skilled play. In the past they needed nerfs, problem is that ZOS pass this point with like next 5 patches with nerfs directed to nbs. Too much is too much0 -
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That was just an example to tell you the truth stamcro more of a threat then warden and you completely missed my point or just ignored it warden being able to kill multiple players so much easier then stamblade can kill one is unbalanced and incredibly laughable 🤣🤣🤣 just shows what a terrible state nb in lolDeathlord92 wrote: »
So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.
Can you SEE the warden coming? do you have time to react? Is this a case of awareness and lack of defence skills?
OR (old nb as thats what people want back, new cant really burst anymore) is it a case of one second you are running around or doing whatever and the next just dead with no idea what happened let alone a counter!
I mean come on man activate brain before fingers, a warden, that you can see, runs up and punches the floor with a blue ring around it then runs close and activates an ult WITH a cast time and then executes and this kills 3 afk potatoes? they deserve to die! 1 cc from the start and all that 'combo' is gone and the warden is now on the back foot vs three players.
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✭Not going to get too much into the other stuff, but it's a bit shameful if fixing cloak (which got broken in this patch) has become synonymous with "buffing nightblades".
When it comes to buffing the class, I think most people would agree the class was very lackluster in group vs group scenarios (e.g. BGs) in previous patch, even with an actual functional cloak.
What ZOS needs to do is fix the bugs introduced in Update 25 (gap closer spam, random projectiles etc etc breaking cloak) and then see where the class stands - we won't be seeing any class balance updates until the next chapter anyway and it's impossible for them to make proper changes if the class is held back by bugs.
You know your stuff when it comes to nb man, i would just love a fixed class that is effective and works well and most important has identity and is fun. 'fix' invis or 'change' invis or 'remove' invis but as far as i can see the invis part of this class holds it back more than helps it forward from a working effective class point of view, if they can get it to work then cool its just always been a 50-50 at best much less currently.
the best nb's ive seen and fought use the heal morph instead of the invis morph.0 -
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✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »
https://youtu.be/NEAP6VGVutg
https://youtu.be/gj5Pm0w4p5k
https://youtu.be/a8T2vPS8Ed0
All done in the last few days I feel like NB is in an amazing spot both Stamina and Magicka atleast from 1am-5am 😜
But yah let's be real pvp in general in broken right now not just NBs
wait until patch, but cloak hasnt really ever worked too well for me as im in the uk and play on pc na as pc eu is a joke.brandonv516 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Jesus, you are hard work, explaining things is tiresome.
The reasons im giving are why nb will never be buffed, if they buffed them back or did some suggestions what crazies are asking for AND kept invis it would be too strong!
HENCE why if you want the damage BACK invis is a problem.
Please tell me you understand now.martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.
The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.
I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.
I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.
I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.
what content do you use it in?
In every moment of my waking life, but i do dream about cloak in slumber if that counts?
no it doesnt as it doesnt make sense or add anything to a debate, but if thats your level then im happy youre happy.
Why do you insist that NBs asking for buffs are "crazies"?
You do know the class will get some buffs at some point right? Cloak is not holding the class back from this happening, it's just not our turn right now.
You not read some of the things people are asking for? All buff nb posts! Some of the stuff is wild!killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Jesus, you are hard work, explaining things is tiresome.
The reasons im giving are why nb will never be buffed, if they buffed them back or did some suggestions what crazies are asking for AND kept invis it would be too strong!
HENCE why if you want the damage BACK invis is a problem.
Please tell me you understand now.martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.
The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.
I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.
I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.
I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.
what content do you use it in?
In every moment of my waking life, but i do dream about cloak in slumber if that counts?
no it doesnt as it doesnt make sense or add anything to a debate, but if thats your level then im happy youre happy.
Sorry but only because people see it in another way than you dosen't mean they don't understand the game,more like you fail too see the point beside your personal (biased)one.
There are a lot of way to buff the class and rebalance cloak and counter,but if you think that cloak is the reason the class can't be buffed youre delusional.
Example remove the crit from it or add a cost increase every cast(like streak) but rebalance the counter and how they interact with cloak.
i would agree with you if cloak had no counter and was impossible to break but is not the case here.
The reason the class got nerfed is because many people can't deal with cloak for lack of skill or simply don't want to use a counter and so on.
In every game a play the rogue class:
In WoW is rogue
On warhammer was Witch Hunter/witch elf
Gw 2 thief
Swtor operative/sith assassin and so on.
The reason i(and for many other too i guess) play NB is because is the only class that is actually a rogue,if i want to play another class in medium with no stealth i can play a stamsorc/necro for example.
I don't think is too hard to understand such a simple thing but im sure you will come back again with "you don't understand the game".
Another non reader, ok.
Biased... If you bothered to read i play mag and stam nb, magnb is my main and first char i created any buff is welcomed by me, i want the class brought inline too so thats my biased point of view.
Cloak doesnt work currently, it never has and never will at least not to peoples expectations which is... to vanish completely, not take damage while invis and be able to escape any situation where they will die so they can re-engage at leisure. THAT is what people are asking for and wont be happy until this happens.
I get some people want a rogue class thats why if you bothered to read i said CHANGE cloak to some rogue based skill thats useable, effective, cool looking, has class identity and actually works so the class can be brought inline.
The things you are saying like remove crit and add spam cost, yes thats all good stuff and would be great if implemented well but that wont get the class brought inline and it also wont get cloak working in a way that people will be happy with.
Bottom line is the people who actually created this game no longer work for ZO$ so the people they have working there dont actually know how to rework things without creating more dramas than they try to fix thats why every single patch creates worse play and more bugs.
But whatever, ill just keep watching these buff nb threads and laugh at the dreams and tears from people who dont actually see the bigger picture. I hope you get exactly what your after. Peace.
Disagree. I actually like how Cloak works on console right now. And it has worked well in the past for me too.
But yes there are times it doesn't.
wait until patch
I play on EU and live in the USA I get better fps playing on EU I think it's odd but I enjoy it
wow, we are opposites lol, i cant play on pc eu and im in the uk, (not eu) that must be why
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✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
That was just an example to tell you the truth stamcro more of a threat then warden and you completely missed my point or just ignored it warden being able to kill multiple players so much easier then stamblade can kill one is unbalanced and incredibly laughable 🤣🤣🤣 just shows what a terrible state nb in lolDeathlord92 wrote: »
So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.
Can you SEE the warden coming? do you have time to react? Is this a case of awareness and lack of defence skills?
OR (old nb as thats what people want back, new cant really burst anymore) is it a case of one second you are running around or doing whatever and the next just dead with no idea what happened let alone a counter!
I mean come on man activate brain before fingers, a warden, that you can see, runs up and punches the floor with a blue ring around it then runs close and activates an ult WITH a cast time and then executes and this kills 3 afk potatoes? they deserve to die! 1 cc from the start and all that 'combo' is gone and the warden is now on the back foot vs three players.
I didnt miss your point, any player on any class if they are good can kill 3 potatoes, i would love to see your 'insert any class' kill me and my 2 buddies easily, it wouldnt happen.
However i agree nb is in a bad state hence the post and my thoughts on why it is in a bad state.0 -
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✭Czekoludek wrote: »Czekoludek wrote: »You still can one shot ppl (and should be able to if you have build focused 100% on damage, sacrificing everything else) but as a blade against good players you can do that by onslaught from cloak (hard to perform except when entering fight from cloak) or by bombing (mostly, incap ppl from stealth isn't really reliable way to do that). Sorcs for example are better gankers now then blades (they can engage from stealth/invis pots and kill ppl with burst combo that blade can only dream of) and can build that with some defence while Nb's to get similar (but still weaker) results need to go 100% into damage. As for bombing, currently necromancers are far superior in that then blades (harmony build, necro ulti bombing).
So why current blades build as glass cannon still hits weaker then other classes that have for example one defense set on themself? If because of cloak then yes, they should definitely change how it works now.
Ye there are specific situations that you can 1 shot that you can build for but not as effective as NB USED to be, which is what wont come back.
Nothing will beat being able to 1 shot someone from a place of no counter or danger and then be able to escape easily, which stamnb used to be king at.
Sorry but sorc ganking you with meteor have definitely better chance to escape (streak) then stamNB ever had. stamNB shouldn't be "that OP so half of the cyrodill needs to play them" (current state with stamdens and stamdks tbh) but they should reward you for skilled play. In the past they needed nerfs, problem is that ZOS pass this point with like next 5 patches with nerfs directed to nbs. Too much is too much
never been sorc ganked, nb and necro gank only. As sson as i hear the meteor then i know whats comin.
I feel stronger on my stamplar than stamdk at the min. But as per the post NB is right at the bottom of my char list where it used to be right at the top.0 -
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It is for me, plus ive met a great woman from the U.S on here and some great people.
Performance is better for me on PCNA and (nothing negative on anybody here) ive found people are more friendly, running on EU there are a lot of different languages so a group is very quiet etc, but on PCNA the majority speak the Queens (well a rough approximation of it ) and communicate a lot more.
Just a btter overall experience for me, just my own experience.0 -
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Yes well everyone has different opinions on cloak I use both shadow disguise as I do love the assassin play style I’m not ashamed to admit I main shadow disguise and I do use dark cloak a lot to though many are saying dark cloak bugged I’m not sure haha but I don’t think getting rid of invisible is the answer eso has lots of broken skills but that’s just my opinion and believe me the only thing I care about in eso is nb both specs equally of the class.Deathlord92 wrote: »
That was just an example to tell you the truth stamcro more of a threat then warden and you completely missed my point or just ignored it warden being able to kill multiple players so much easier then stamblade can kill one is unbalanced and incredibly laughable 🤣🤣🤣 just shows what a terrible state nb in lolDeathlord92 wrote: »
So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.
Can you SEE the warden coming? do you have time to react? Is this a case of awareness and lack of defence skills?
OR (old nb as thats what people want back, new cant really burst anymore) is it a case of one second you are running around or doing whatever and the next just dead with no idea what happened let alone a counter!
I mean come on man activate brain before fingers, a warden, that you can see, runs up and punches the floor with a blue ring around it then runs close and activates an ult WITH a cast time and then executes and this kills 3 afk potatoes? they deserve to die! 1 cc from the start and all that 'combo' is gone and the warden is now on the back foot vs three players.
I didnt miss your point, any player on any class if they are good can kill 3 potatoes, i would love to see your 'insert any class' kill me and my 2 buddies easily, it wouldnt happen.
However i agree nb is in a bad state hence the post and my thoughts on why it is in a bad state.
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✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
Yes well everyone has different opinions on cloak I use both shadow disguise as I do love the assassin play style I’m not ashamed to admit I main shadow disguise and dark cloak a lot though many are saying dark cloak bugged I’m not sure haha but I don’t think getting rid of invisible is the answer eso lots of skills but that’s just my opinion and believe me the only thing I care about in eso is nb both specs equally of the class.Deathlord92 wrote: »
That was just an example to tell you the truth stamcro more of a threat then warden and you completely missed my point or just ignored it warden being able to kill multiple players so much easier then stamblade can kill one is unbalanced and incredibly laughable 🤣🤣🤣 just shows what a terrible state nb in lolDeathlord92 wrote: »
So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.
Can you SEE the warden coming? do you have time to react? Is this a case of awareness and lack of defence skills?
OR (old nb as thats what people want back, new cant really burst anymore) is it a case of one second you are running around or doing whatever and the next just dead with no idea what happened let alone a counter!
I mean come on man activate brain before fingers, a warden, that you can see, runs up and punches the floor with a blue ring around it then runs close and activates an ult WITH a cast time and then executes and this kills 3 afk potatoes? they deserve to die! 1 cc from the start and all that 'combo' is gone and the warden is now on the back foot vs three players.
I didnt miss your point, any player on any class if they are good can kill 3 potatoes, i would love to see your 'insert any class' kill me and my 2 buddies easily, it wouldnt happen.
However i agree nb is in a bad state hence the post and my thoughts on why it is in a bad state.
I hear you, i also main a magnb, i want the class to work but after many hours of analysis i have just come to the conclusion its because of invis and the nerfs that came from being top teir pve dps for so long, that combination has caused the current situations.
I have seen some videos recently of nb's running around making kills on casuals and saying the class is 'fine', id love to see a video of a nb taking down me and my 2 buddies on stamcro, stamden and stamsorc, even just me on stamcro. BTW for you console nb players after patch blastbones when cast on you tracks you in cloak and still hits!! yay!2 -
merevie✭✭✭✭✭Yes, it is destroyed.
It is still playable if you like a challenge.
It is especially playable when the people who can normally smash us have broken rotations and are over confident in their greatness regardless.
Play nb like any stamina toon. Use roll dodge to off balance etc etc etc Just use the cloak as a stealth attack buff.
Cloak is also helpful around short range melee types to hit cloak for just a second so they mistime their heavy attacks and you can get in under them.
Combine being a Cheshire Cat with current skill delays, positioning problems and ye olde lag and cloak's an asset, even when it isn't firing when you think it is. They still have a hell of a time figuring out where to land anything.
Jumping off a keep into 30 people and Cheshire Catting them triggers an entire faction into squirrel chasing. Triggering guilds is super easy and puts them out of position. If you manage to kill a healer or a guild leader that currency lasts for a month and you can literally run them into whatever choke your faction is near by. oh no-don't kill me- arr I am nearly dead..roflEdited by merevie on March 7, 2020 8:14PM1 -
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I have always said a good stamblade v a good stamcro stam dk etc will very likely lose the fight sadly I have lost 1v1s against players that would have never beaten me before my nerfs against other stamblades tho there’s only few players that I lost to but I have also killed them to.Deathlord92 wrote: »
Yes well everyone has different opinions on cloak I use both shadow disguise as I do love the assassin play style I’m not ashamed to admit I main shadow disguise and dark cloak a lot though many are saying dark cloak bugged I’m not sure haha but I don’t think getting rid of invisible is the answer eso lots of skills but that’s just my opinion and believe me the only thing I care about in eso is nb both specs equally of the class.Deathlord92 wrote: »
That was just an example to tell you the truth stamcro more of a threat then warden and you completely missed my point or just ignored it warden being able to kill multiple players so much easier then stamblade can kill one is unbalanced and incredibly laughable 🤣🤣🤣 just shows what a terrible state nb in lolDeathlord92 wrote: »
So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.
Can you SEE the warden coming? do you have time to react? Is this a case of awareness and lack of defence skills?
OR (old nb as thats what people want back, new cant really burst anymore) is it a case of one second you are running around or doing whatever and the next just dead with no idea what happened let alone a counter!
I mean come on man activate brain before fingers, a warden, that you can see, runs up and punches the floor with a blue ring around it then runs close and activates an ult WITH a cast time and then executes and this kills 3 afk potatoes? they deserve to die! 1 cc from the start and all that 'combo' is gone and the warden is now on the back foot vs three players.
I didnt miss your point, any player on any class if they are good can kill 3 potatoes, i would love to see your 'insert any class' kill me and my 2 buddies easily, it wouldnt happen.
However i agree nb is in a bad state hence the post and my thoughts on why it is in a bad state.
I hear you, i also main a magnb, i want the class to work but after many hours of analysis i have just come to the conclusion its because of invis and the nerfs that came from being top teir pve dps for so long, that combination has caused the current situations.
I have seen some videos recently of nb's running around making kills on casuals and saying the class is 'fine', id love to see a video of a nb taking down me and my 2 buddies on stamcro, stamden and stamsorc, even just me on stamcro. BTW for you console nb players after patch blastbones when cast on you tracks you in cloak and still hits!! yay!
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✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
I have always said a good stamblade v a good stamcro stam dk etc will very likely lose the fight sadly I have lost 1v1s against players that would have never beaten me before my nerfs against other stamblades tho there’s only few players that I lost to but I have also killed them to.Deathlord92 wrote: »
Yes well everyone has different opinions on cloak I use both shadow disguise as I do love the assassin play style I’m not ashamed to admit I main shadow disguise and dark cloak a lot though many are saying dark cloak bugged I’m not sure haha but I don’t think getting rid of invisible is the answer eso lots of skills but that’s just my opinion and believe me the only thing I care about in eso is nb both specs equally of the class.Deathlord92 wrote: »
That was just an example to tell you the truth stamcro more of a threat then warden and you completely missed my point or just ignored it warden being able to kill multiple players so much easier then stamblade can kill one is unbalanced and incredibly laughable 🤣🤣🤣 just shows what a terrible state nb in lolDeathlord92 wrote: »
So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.
Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.
Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.
Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.
You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.
There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).
This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.
Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.
Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.
90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.
Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.
But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.
Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.
Can you SEE the warden coming? do you have time to react? Is this a case of awareness and lack of defence skills?
OR (old nb as thats what people want back, new cant really burst anymore) is it a case of one second you are running around or doing whatever and the next just dead with no idea what happened let alone a counter!
I mean come on man activate brain before fingers, a warden, that you can see, runs up and punches the floor with a blue ring around it then runs close and activates an ult WITH a cast time and then executes and this kills 3 afk potatoes? they deserve to die! 1 cc from the start and all that 'combo' is gone and the warden is now on the back foot vs three players.
I didnt miss your point, any player on any class if they are good can kill 3 potatoes, i would love to see your 'insert any class' kill me and my 2 buddies easily, it wouldnt happen.
However i agree nb is in a bad state hence the post and my thoughts on why it is in a bad state.
I hear you, i also main a magnb, i want the class to work but after many hours of analysis i have just come to the conclusion its because of invis and the nerfs that came from being top teir pve dps for so long, that combination has caused the current situations.
I have seen some videos recently of nb's running around making kills on casuals and saying the class is 'fine', id love to see a video of a nb taking down me and my 2 buddies on stamcro, stamden and stamsorc, even just me on stamcro. BTW for you console nb players after patch blastbones when cast on you tracks you in cloak and still hits!! yay!
Agreed, my nb's have gone to the bottom of the list, not confident when running into pvp combat at all, stamcro, den, plar, dk, sorc, i just jump in confident i can tank/heal/manouver/damage pressure my way to a kill.4 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Put Major sorcery and major brutality on siphoning attack / leeching strike ...
Yes please! Fully support this. Logical and practical change.
ZOS, do it - do iit naow meow!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler and @ZOS_Gilliam (aka Batman & Robin) come check at that so simple yet QoL suggestion that would atleast make NB slot management and potion options more flexible. Pretty please consider such and be epic, give NB some love.
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✭✭✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
You sound like you would want to have it for free on every class....Kombinator wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
Invisibility potions...Kombinator wrote: »I love the part when i can run through the entire public dungeon without pulling a single enemy with cloak. Something you can't do with any of the other classes.
45sec. cd. Your turn!
Oh yes you can turn down to 30 with alchemy. Still in public dungeons you need 90% of the time.
Edit:
Can NB have free streak too ?
Yeah, plus I see sorcs doing this cool new thing where they can pretty much perma-streak. Which they use to get ahead of me when I'm farming. Not obnoxious whatsoever...
My stamblade is a crafter who sometimes goes out to do surveys. I regularly get interrupted when trying to cast Incapacitating Strike by mobs. It hits maybe 30% of the time, but if an enemy even looks at me funny while I try to hit them with Incap, I'm interrupted. Again, by OVERLAND MOBS. That's absurd. If any class SHOULDN'T have an ulti with a cast time, it should be the stealth class. Because it defeats the purpose of being stealthy when what are supposed to be our hardest-hitting skills now basically involve us yelling to an enemy that we're about to cast it.
Yeah and the Devs are like:
"We see your feedback about mudcrabs strange animations" but somehow they fail to see majority of players doesn't want cast times on skills. This is very frustrating.Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge2 -
Udrath✭✭✭✭I think the class is fine but cloak being bugged is not good for some builds.
Cloak is important to people running max magicka for the high tooltips, considering they have like 25-35% critical ratings. They depend on shadowy disguise for their critical. Alternatively many could have better luck running spell power/high crit with the critical damage multipliers and experiencing more critical heals with their heal-over-time effects, but they rather have a lot of max magicka to stay in stealth and shield stack.
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✭Moonsorrow wrote: »Put Major sorcery and major brutality on siphoning attack / leeching strike ...
Yes please! Fully support this. Logical and practical change.
ZOS, do it - do iit naow meow!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler and @ZOS_Gilliam (aka Batman & Robin) come check at that so simple yet QoL suggestion that would atleast make NB slot management and potion options more flexible. Pretty please consider such and be epic, give NB some love.
I think minor force on siphoning would be better. We definietely need more slots on bar, removing trap would help a lot0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »Moonsorrow wrote: »Put Major sorcery and major brutality on siphoning attack / leeching strike ...
Yes please! Fully support this. Logical and practical change.
ZOS, do it - do iit naow meow!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler and @ZOS_Gilliam (aka Batman & Robin) come check at that so simple yet QoL suggestion that would atleast make NB slot management and potion options more flexible. Pretty please consider such and be epic, give NB some love.
I think minor force on siphoning would be better. We definietely need more slots on bar, removing trap would help a lot
This is also a very interesting suggestion. I was thinking minor force on Relentless, Brutality on Siphoning... Buuut... This could be potentially nice as well.1 -
xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭A buff Nightblade thread? Do my eyes deceive me? There IS a divine being!!!New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
Gamer from Alaska (907 Gamers, Alaskan Gamers Unite!).
My little rant I guess?:
Don't nerf you, don't nerf me, nerf the sorc behind the tree!.
If you need help or advice, hit me up on Xbox: H4rry Poggers :D .
Also open to talking on Discord!
Ich kann Deutsch Sprechen bei der mittleren/zwischen Kenntnissen Ebene. Hallo! :D.
CP level 1000+! Playing since 2015.
My wishlist I suppose:- PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
- Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
- MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
- Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
- Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
- Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .
My 10 characters:- AD - xak-Morrowindx - Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. Hours: 107 days, 19 hours (2,568 hours).
- EP - Ich bin Groot - Orc Stamina Dragonknight. Hours: 2 days, 16 hours (64 hours).
- DC - Who Took My Bleach - Orc Stamina Sorcerer. Hours: 3 days, 18 hours. (90 hours).
- EP - Niada Zaennon - High Elf Magicka Nightblade. Hours: 15 days, 18 hours (378 hours).
- AD - Healsyournoobazzwithmemes - Argonian Magicka Templar. Hours: 1 day, 9 hours (33 hours)
- DC - Engulfing Traps - Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight. Hours: 7 days, 17 hours (129 hours).
- AD - Verführung - High Elf Magicka Sorcerer. Hours: 5 days, 9 hours (129 hours)
- DC - Deadazz catch these birds - Nord Stamina Warden. Hours: 6 days, 21 hours (165 hours)
- EP - So Bendy - Wood Elf Stamina Templar. Hours: 1 day, 15 hours (39 hours)
- EP - Smash that mf Like button - Breton Magicka Warden. Hours: 20 hours, 20 minutes.
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xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭Also, can we PLEASE make buffing Siphoning Strikes one of the highest priorities? I think it was in 2019 that I made a post about how it DESPERATELY needs to be addressed. I spent a ton of time that day trying to gathering facts about the history of the ability and the various changes it's been through, along with *some* conjecture, but the comment section devolved quickly into a sheitshown. "nO, bUfF mY cLaSs" "*incoherent comments*" etc.
What ZoS did to SS after Morrowind is a complete and utter travesty, along with how Cloak (and the Nightblade class as well!) has been both mistreated AND neglected over the years.New to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
Gamer from Alaska (907 Gamers, Alaskan Gamers Unite!).
My little rant I guess?:
Don't nerf you, don't nerf me, nerf the sorc behind the tree!.
If you need help or advice, hit me up on Xbox: H4rry Poggers :D .
Also open to talking on Discord!
Ich kann Deutsch Sprechen bei der mittleren/zwischen Kenntnissen Ebene. Hallo! :D.
CP level 1000+! Playing since 2015.
My wishlist I suppose:- PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
- Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
- MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
- Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
- Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
- Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .
My 10 characters:- AD - xak-Morrowindx - Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. Hours: 107 days, 19 hours (2,568 hours).
- EP - Ich bin Groot - Orc Stamina Dragonknight. Hours: 2 days, 16 hours (64 hours).
- DC - Who Took My Bleach - Orc Stamina Sorcerer. Hours: 3 days, 18 hours. (90 hours).
- EP - Niada Zaennon - High Elf Magicka Nightblade. Hours: 15 days, 18 hours (378 hours).
- AD - Healsyournoobazzwithmemes - Argonian Magicka Templar. Hours: 1 day, 9 hours (33 hours)
- DC - Engulfing Traps - Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight. Hours: 7 days, 17 hours (129 hours).
- AD - Verführung - High Elf Magicka Sorcerer. Hours: 5 days, 9 hours (129 hours)
- DC - Deadazz catch these birds - Nord Stamina Warden. Hours: 6 days, 21 hours (165 hours)
- EP - So Bendy - Wood Elf Stamina Templar. Hours: 1 day, 15 hours (39 hours)
- EP - Smash that mf Like button - Breton Magicka Warden. Hours: 20 hours, 20 minutes.
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Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »Also, can we PLEASE make buffing Siphoning Strikes one of the highest priorities? I think it was in 2019 that I made a post about how it DESPERATELY needs to be addressed. I spent a ton of time that day trying to gathering facts about the history of the ability and the various changes it's been through, along with *some* conjecture, but the comment section devolved quickly into a sheitshown. "nO, bUfF mY cLaSs" "*incoherent comments*" etc.
What ZoS did to SS after Morrowind is a complete and utter travesty, along with how Cloak (and the Nightblade class as well!) has been both mistreated AND neglected over the years.
When you say this about a class that was top teir pvp and top teir pve dps for 2 years actually hurts your argument, it is in the place it is now because of the nerfs due to this.
Relax and think of the entire picture and the knock on effects rather than saying buff 'me'. What you should say is buff the gaming experience everyone shares.
NB main players rarely widen their veiw to the big picture, i guess its the type of player the class attracts.Edited by Stebarnz on March 8, 2020 1:22PM0 -
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Considering you've been flip-flopping and acting as devils advocate throughout this whole thread. I'll take this as a compliment from you for us NB mains. Since we've only been given nerfs for a long time due to people like you, acting like they know the class when they dont.NB main players rarely widen their veiw to the big picture, i guess its the type of player the class attracts.
Agreed but considering there is alot of skills for NB that need to be buffed due to ZOS continually nerfing the class. They've got alot of work cut out for them.xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »Also, can we PLEASE make buffing Siphoning Strikes one of the highest priorities?
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✭✭"NB have had it bad", has been the most used class through a majority of ESO's life in PvP and also the devs fave overall class.
wanna know why they are getting kneecapped at this point?
dependency on stealth burst.
wanna know why they suck in most PvE situations?
dependency on stealth burst.
they need to stop this dependency and give them more sustained damage, otherwise as long as cloak damage burst is required to win fights they will eventually get nerfed into ONLY being viable if they can stay stealthed.
PvP wise they are ONLY useful as gankblades because of the absurd damage they can crap out from stealth. this needs to go if they want to make NB more usable anywhere else, even a slight damage buff of like 5% damage buff from stealth crit damage would be low enough to allow them to buff everything else to make nightblades more useful than just being 1 shotters.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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✭✭✭If you want to remove Cloak from the Nightblade then we should also remove the Templers ability to Heal and the Dragonknights ability to Block, does that sound fair?
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✭"NB have had it bad", has been the most used class through a majority of ESO's life in PvP and also the devs fave overall class.
wanna know why they are getting kneecapped at this point?
dependency on stealth burst.
wanna know why they suck in most PvE situations?
dependency on stealth burst.
they need to stop this dependency and give them more sustained damage, otherwise as long as cloak damage burst is required to win fights they will eventually get nerfed into ONLY being viable if they can stay stealthed.
PvP wise they are ONLY useful as gankblades because of the absurd damage they can crap out from stealth. this needs to go if they want to make NB more usable anywhere else, even a slight damage buff of like 5% damage buff from stealth crit damage would be low enough to allow them to buff everything else to make nightblades more useful than just being 1 shotters.
The "absurd damage they crap out" is 10% more weapon/spell damage for one hit that crits. (Note: that is not 10% more total damage.) As a magblade, half the time I don't even see their health bar move when I open from cloak Unless it's against another Nightblade (unless they're wearing light armor & using no shields — which is basically no one.)
Stamblades may be different, but there's no such thing as "absurd damage" on a magblade — absurd damage is what literally every single other class does to me even though their defense, healing, and literally everything else is infinitely better.4 -
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Considering you've been flip-flopping and acting as devils advocate throughout this whole thread. I'll take this as a compliment from you for us NB mains. Since we've only been given nerfs for a long time due to people like you, acting like they know the class when they dont.NB main players rarely widen their veiw to the big picture, i guess its the type of player the class attracts.
Agreed but considering there is alot of skills for NB that need to be buffed due to ZOS continually nerfing the class. They've got alot of work cut out for them.xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »Also, can we PLEASE make buffing Siphoning Strikes one of the highest priorities?
If by playing devils advocate you mean giving my opinion then taking other peoples and discussing without having a bitching match then i agree.
Did you also read the part where i said i main magnb? prob not, but you went right for that key board saying people like 'me' wanting nb nerfs, makes sense!
Why dont you blow us all away and tell us the buffs or changes you would put in place and how you think it would effect pve and pvp? Id love to hear seen as you must be the authority casting dispersions from your high tower.Edited by Stebarnz on March 8, 2020 7:44PM0 -
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✭✭✭One thing they could do to buff pvp and not touch pve is to remove the requirements of light attacks from siphoning strikes and merciless.
Just make them build one stack every second or proc in combat. I don’t know if that’s be OP, but it’s a huge limiting factor for NBs.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Keep cloak as a memento for the rp'ers and balance the class properly!
Its not used in top tier pve and its not used in top tier pvp so get rid and get the class something that is still roguey but not invis and bring the class inline.
Everyone still wanting cloak and class to be higher damage, it wont happen while invis is there! FACT!
Yes i play both magnb and stamnb and no i dont use cloak
Sorry you don't speak for the majority.
I speak for the people who understand this but you are certainly correct that is not the majority as made clear by the wild things people post.
I picked this class 6 years ago because of Cloak...4 -
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✭Some changes that will help nightblade would be to speed up the projectile speed of the bow to where it’s a guaranteed hit if you cc your opponent and are at point blank range. It’s currently hard to gauge how much of a damage buff Nightblades need because the damage is so unreliable. A healing increase on siphoning strikes would also help nightblade survivability.0