Nightblades have it bad and Cloak is now nearly unusable (Previous Thread Expanded)

Banana

Class change people. Must be coming soon

Deathlord92

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im done, some people just dont understand that what effects one thing also effects others and cant see past there own little bubble.

Im just wanting a way that makes nb worth playing again that doesnt break stuff and from what i can see the invis is just part of the problem, it could be a different mech, something cool but just so it lets the class have identity, be fun to play, be effective to play and actually work.

I hope everyone gets what they are after.

Peace.

I do sort of get your point but shadow disguise belongs to the nb it’s the rogue class but what’s wrong with buffing dark cloak to make it more appealing then shadow disguise I myself use dark cloak a lot and I’m damn sure other hardcore nb mains do exactly the same.

MishMash

Rowjoh wrote: »

Re-spec your old NB into an awesome node farmer and PVP scout !

Simply sling on Jailbreaker and Fiords, transmog jewellery to swift, change race to Orc and slap on the Steed mundus !

WHOOOOSH !

LOL, that is very similar to what I did with my NB! My first toon in 2014 was a Stamblade and way back then it was a decent class to play in PvP... today due to the crappy changes I just play whack-a-mole style. I must admit I am a real threat to the farming trails though ... swoooooooooosh fast.

Ri_Khan

Nerf impen.

rfennell_ESO

Eatmyface wrote: »

Delete cloak. Delete snipe. Then we might see NB get some love again.

Until then, the class will just be associated with cowardly gameplay and exploits.

What came first? The chicken or the egg?

It's a viable question.

Fact is, that unless you went heavy armor brawler, you were always squishy as can be. The reason why many a nightblade went the snipe and cloak route is it was the only viable play style in most pvp.

Every build that isn't heavy armor brawler is one cc from giblets. It only takes a dozen times (or so) for you to charge into melee with a group and watch yourself get annhilated (no matter what you do) while your group keeps moving and the templar has to rez you.

The obvious solution was to use range and cloak to make yourself as untargettable as possible and snipe and poison injection to do damage.

Now that they have gutted most of those abilities wholesale... you are either a heavy armor brawler or dead.

Nyladreas wrote: »

5) Healing is below current standards, siphoning strikes feel underwhelming compared to example: crit surge, it needs a healing buff and should provide Brutality/Sorcery Buff.

Nightblade healing was always borked and broken. The only way it was even remotely useful was to consume the critical from shadowy disguise on your heal (preferably rally). When they "fixed" shadowy disguise, they reverted nightblades to their neutered state of healing.

Why they have chosen to make the changes they made is a mystery. Snipe and hide nightblades excelled at two things: Gibbing overextending fools and escape.

I never bothered much with Twitch, but when someone whispered me saying "Fengrush mentioned you in twitch" I would give it a look. It was usually some insults passed my direction, but the look on his face was that he knew he overextended.

People adopted the play style that was effective. It's not a measure of courage or bravery.

rfennell_ESO

Just to add a little that hasn't been mentioned.

When they began adjusting nightblades to eliminate the snipe and cloak style... we just went all damage.

The fact is that the play style was only effective if you went all in on it. That means no cc, no regen, no survivability.

That's not overpowered at all.

rfennell_ESO

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Why they have chosen to make the changes they made is a mystery. Snipe and hide nightblades excelled at two things: Gibbing overextending fools and escape.

I'll just add one final thing.

It was also the best possible build for making horses crash to the ground with crazy animations and a distorted whiney.

I'm pretty sure killing unaware horse tourists wasn't a big deal.

Just ask Elderhoff. If I had bothered recording regularly I would have made a video compilation of he and I giggling like mental patients over mount crashes.

martinhpb16_ESO

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

martinhpb16_ESO

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.

The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.

I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.

I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.

I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.

Stebarnz

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

Stebarnz

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.

The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.

I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.

I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.

I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.

what content do you use it in?

martinhpb16_ESO

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

martinhpb16_ESO

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.

The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.

I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.

I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.

I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.

what content do you use it in?

In every moment of my waking life, but i do dream about cloak in slumber if that counts?

hakan

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

That's why so many of us end up just running so often after we hit people.

When you do that, we're both stuck in combat. The worst part is the idiots who do this, cloak off, I get bored of looking, try and jog off, maybe hopefully get out of combat again, and they engage again. Rinse and repeat. A lot don't even seem to be using it as a tool to survive and win fights any more, just to be pests. It's just sheer stupidity.

Sorry, but my sympathy has evaporated. Also sick of stam sorcs who streak through you then just vanish off into the distance. If you're going to engage, fight. If you don't actually want to fight, do us both a favour and don't hit people.

If you really want to be a pest go to the crafting stations at Summerset and blast music.

and nobody cares about your feelings. its like you guys never played a game. different classes do different things. "my sympathy "boo hoo.

Tessitura

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.

MusCanus

Tessitura wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.

So even a dude that gets into BGs with no impen and with less than 20k HP shouldn't be oneshotted, am I getting this right? Cause any semi competent player can't be oneshotted nowadays, period.

Stebarnz

MusCanus wrote: »

Tessitura wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.

So even a dude that gets into BGs with no impen and with less than 20k HP shouldn't be oneshotted, am I getting this right? Cause any semi competent player can't be oneshotted nowadays, period.

C'mon man, of course someone with sub 10k resist, no impen and <20k health will be one shot by any class manned with someone who knows what they are doing, but.... not by another person with those stats and who doesnt know what the are doing.

If you remember the old zergbad ganks then you will understand those will NEVER come back, ZOS dont like em, SO all im saying is in order to get the class working properly invis has to go *to be replaced with something better that gives nb identity* Or for people who like to rp or roam around doing quests or whatever its a memento.

But people are clinging onto invis for there dear lives and then moaning it doesnt work and the class is rubbish lol, when the very thing that makes the class lack luster is the thing they are holding onto. Own worst enemy. I hate lung cancer but boy do i love those filterless woodbines!

killingspreeb16_ESO

[snip]

There are a lot of way to buff the class and rebalance cloak and counter,but if you think that cloak is the reason the class can't be buffed youre delusional.

Example remove the crit from it or add a cost increase every cast(like streak) but rebalance the counter and how they interact with cloak.
i would agree with you if cloak had no counter and was impossible to break but is not the case here.

The reason the class got nerfed is because many people can't deal with cloak for lack of skill or simply don't want to use a counter and so on.

In every game a play the rogue class:

In WoW is rogue

On warhammer was Witch Hunter/witch elf

Gw 2 thief

Swtor operative/sith assassin and so on.

The reason i(and for many other too i guess) play NB is because is the only class that is actually a rogue,if i want to play another class in medium with no stealth i can play a stamsorc/necro for example.

I don't think is too hard to understand such a simple thing but im sure you will come back again with "you don't understand the game"

[edited to remove quoted content].

Deathlord92

Tessitura wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.

So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣

Stebarnz

[Snip]

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

[snip]

There are a lot of way to buff the class and rebalance cloak and counter,but if you think that cloak is the reason the class can't be buffed youre delusional.

Example remove the crit from it or add a cost increase every cast(like streak) but rebalance the counter and how they interact with cloak.
i would agree with you if cloak had no counter and was impossible to break but is not the case here.

The reason the class got nerfed is because many people can't deal with cloak for lack of skill or simply don't want to use a counter and so on.

In every game a play the rogue class:

In WoW is rogue

On warhammer was Witch Hunter/witch elf

Gw 2 thief

Swtor operative/sith assassin and so on.

The reason i(and for many other too i guess) play NB is because is the only class that is actually a rogue,if i want to play another class in medium with no stealth i can play a stamsorc/necro for example.

I don't think is too hard to understand such a simple thing but im sure you will come back again with "you don't understand the game".

[snip]

If you bothered to read i play mag and stam nb, magnb is my main and first char i created any buff is welcomed by me, i want the class brought inline too so thats my biased point of view.

Cloak doesnt work currently, it never has and never will at least not to peoples expectations which is... to vanish completely, not take damage while invis and be able to escape any situation where they will die so they can re-engage at leisure. THAT is what people are asking for and wont be happy until this happens.

I get some people want a rogue class thats why if you bothered to read i said CHANGE cloak to some rogue based skill thats useable, effective, cool looking, has class identity and actually works so the class can be brought inline.

The things you are saying like remove crit and add spam cost, yes thats all good stuff and would be great if implemented well but that wont get the class brought inline and it also wont get cloak working in a way that people will be happy with.

Bottom line is the people who actually created this game no longer work for ZO$ so the people they have working there dont actually know how to rework things without creating more dramas than they try to fix thats why every single patch creates worse play and more bugs.

But whatever, ill just keep watching these buff nb threads and laugh at the dreams and tears from people who dont actually see the bigger picture. I hope you get exactly what your after. Peace.

[edited to remove baiting comments]

Stebarnz

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Tessitura wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Thats not entirely true, this is a perfect example of how trying to balance everything without separation is a dumb idea. In BGs NB could still one shot people. While it is more then one shot that actually downs them, it is timed in a way that makes multiple heavy hitting shots hit all at once, leaving the poor dude that got caught dead with little to react to. No that person might not be built in the meta, and no that dude might not be good, but it still happened and ZOS does not like that it is happening. It's counter to fun gameplay and makes people quit. And before you say thats just skill, its not that hard to time it, I had it down in a day and I am far from a top tier player.

So I’m just using this as an example so it’s ok for a stam warden to just walk up to say 🤔 3 players and dawnbreaker sub assault them spin2win or 2 h execute in that simple af easy as hell combo but not ok for a class which is suppose to be a dps king to be able to burst down one player super fast lmao oh eso love your idea of class balance the headaches I get 🤣🤣🤣

Can you SEE the warden coming? do you have time to react? Is this a case of awareness and lack of defence skills?
OR (old nb as thats what people want back, new cant really burst anymore) is it a case of one second you are running around or doing whatever and the next just dead with no idea what happened let alone a counter!

I mean come on man activate brain before fingers, a warden, that you can see, runs up and punches the floor with a blue ring around it then runs close and activates an ult WITH a cast time and then executes and this kills 3 afk potatoes? they deserve to die! 1 cc from the start and all that 'combo' is gone and the warden is now on the back foot vs three players.

Unfadingsilence

https://youtu.be/NEAP6VGVutg

https://youtu.be/gj5Pm0w4p5k

https://youtu.be/a8T2vPS8Ed0

All done in the last few days I feel like NB is in an amazing spot both Stamina and Magicka atleast from 1am-5am 😜

But yah let's be real pvp in general in broken right now not just NBs

killingspreeb16_ESO

[snip]

Cloak doesnt work currently, it never has and never will at least not to peoples expectations which is... to vanish completely, not take damage while invis and be able to escape any situation where they will die so they can re-engage at leisure. THAT is what people are asking for and wont be happy until this happens.

No one is asking for cloak to be immune to everything but to work when it's supposed to work,especially when the game give everyone the tool to counter the skill.

And if cloak is the only reason they are afraid to buff the class as i said the skill can be rebalanced in another way,not removing the the most iconic class skill of the Nb class becuase you think is the only way.

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brandonv516

Stebarnz wrote: »

[snip] If you bothered to read i play mag and stam nb, magnb is my main and first char i created any buff is welcomed by me, i want the class brought inline too so thats my biased point of view.

Cloak doesnt work currently, it never has and never will at least not to peoples expectations which is... to vanish completely, not take damage while invis and be able to escape any situation where they will die so they can re-engage at leisure. THAT is what people are asking for and wont be happy until this happens.

I get some people want a rogue class thats why if you bothered to read i said CHANGE cloak to some rogue based skill thats useable, effective, cool looking, has class identity and actually works so the class can be brought inline.

The things you are saying like remove crit and add spam cost, yes thats all good stuff and would be great if implemented well but that wont get the class brought inline and it also wont get cloak working in a way that people will be happy with.

Bottom line is the people who actually created this game no longer work for ZO$ so the people they have working there dont actually know how to rework things without creating more dramas than they try to fix thats why every single patch creates worse play and more bugs.

But whatever, ill just keep watching these buff nb threads and laugh at the dreams and tears from people who dont actually see the bigger picture. I hope you get exactly what your after. Peace.

Disagree. I actually like how Cloak works on console right now. And it has worked well in the past for me too.

But yes there are times it doesn't.

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Czekoludek

You still can one shot ppl (and should be able to if you have build focused 100% on damage, sacrificing everything else) but as a blade against good players you can do that by onslaught from cloak (hard to perform except when entering fight from cloak) or by bombing (mostly, incap ppl from stealth isn't really reliable way to do that). Sorcs for example are better gankers now then blades (they can engage from stealth/invis pots and kill ppl with burst combo that blade can only dream of) and can build that with some defence while Nb's to get similar (but still weaker) results need to go 100% into damage. As for bombing, currently necromancers are far superior in that then blades (harmony build, necro ulti bombing).
So why current blades build as glass cannon still hits weaker then other classes that have for example one defense set on themself? If because of cloak then yes, they should definitely change how it works now.

Stebarnz

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

https://youtu.be/NEAP6VGVutg

https://youtu.be/gj5Pm0w4p5k

https://youtu.be/a8T2vPS8Ed0

All done in the last few days I feel like NB is in an amazing spot both Stamina and Magicka atleast from 1am-5am 😜

But yah let's be real pvp in general in broken right now not just NBs

wait until patch, but cloak hasnt really ever worked too well for me as im in the uk and play on pc na as pc eu is a joke.

brandonv516 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Jesus, you are hard work, explaining things is tiresome.

The reasons im giving are why nb will never be buffed, if they buffed them back or did some suggestions what crazies are asking for AND kept invis it would be too strong!

HENCE why if you want the damage BACK invis is a problem.

Please tell me you understand now.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.

The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.

I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.

I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.

I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.

what content do you use it in?

In every moment of my waking life, but i do dream about cloak in slumber if that counts?

no it doesnt as it doesnt make sense or add anything to a debate, but if thats your level then im happy youre happy.

Why do you insist that NBs asking for buffs are "crazies"?

You do know the class will get some buffs at some point right? Cloak is not holding the class back from this happening, it's just not our turn right now.

You not read some of the things people are asking for? All buff nb posts! Some of the stuff is wild!

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Jesus, you are hard work, explaining things is tiresome.

The reasons im giving are why nb will never be buffed, if they buffed them back or did some suggestions what crazies are asking for AND kept invis it would be too strong!

HENCE why if you want the damage BACK invis is a problem.

Please tell me you understand now.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.

The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.

I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.

I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.

I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.

what content do you use it in?

In every moment of my waking life, but i do dream about cloak in slumber if that counts?

no it doesnt as it doesnt make sense or add anything to a debate, but if thats your level then im happy youre happy.

Sorry but only because people see it in another way than you dosen't mean they don't understand the game,more like you fail too see the point beside your personal (biased)one.

There are a lot of way to buff the class and rebalance cloak and counter,but if you think that cloak is the reason the class can't be buffed youre delusional.

Example remove the crit from it or add a cost increase every cast(like streak) but rebalance the counter and how they interact with cloak.
i would agree with you if cloak had no counter and was impossible to break but is not the case here.

The reason the class got nerfed is because many people can't deal with cloak for lack of skill or simply don't want to use a counter and so on.

In every game a play the rogue class:

In WoW is rogue

On warhammer was Witch Hunter/witch elf

Gw 2 thief

Swtor operative/sith assassin and so on.

The reason i(and for many other too i guess) play NB is because is the only class that is actually a rogue,if i want to play another class in medium with no stealth i can play a stamsorc/necro for example.

I don't think is too hard to understand such a simple thing but im sure you will come back again with "you don't understand the game".

Another non reader, ok.

Biased... If you bothered to read i play mag and stam nb, magnb is my main and first char i created any buff is welcomed by me, i want the class brought inline too so thats my biased point of view.

Cloak doesnt work currently, it never has and never will at least not to peoples expectations which is... to vanish completely, not take damage while invis and be able to escape any situation where they will die so they can re-engage at leisure. THAT is what people are asking for and wont be happy until this happens.

I get some people want a rogue class thats why if you bothered to read i said CHANGE cloak to some rogue based skill thats useable, effective, cool looking, has class identity and actually works so the class can be brought inline.

The things you are saying like remove crit and add spam cost, yes thats all good stuff and would be great if implemented well but that wont get the class brought inline and it also wont get cloak working in a way that people will be happy with.

Bottom line is the people who actually created this game no longer work for ZO$ so the people they have working there dont actually know how to rework things without creating more dramas than they try to fix thats why every single patch creates worse play and more bugs.

But whatever, ill just keep watching these buff nb threads and laugh at the dreams and tears from people who dont actually see the bigger picture. I hope you get exactly what your after. Peace.

Disagree. I actually like how Cloak works on console right now. And it has worked well in the past for me too.

But yes there are times it doesn't.

wait until patch

Decimus

Not going to get too much into the other stuff, but it's a bit shameful if fixing cloak (which got broken in this patch) has become synonymous with "buffing nightblades".


When it comes to buffing the class, I think most people would agree the class was very lackluster in group vs group scenarios (e.g. BGs) in previous patch, even with an actual functional cloak.


What ZOS needs to do is fix the bugs introduced in Update 25 (gap closer spam, random projectiles etc etc breaking cloak) and then see where the class stands - we won't be seeing any class balance updates until the next chapter anyway and it's impossible for them to make proper changes if the class is held back by bugs.

Stebarnz

Czekoludek wrote: »

You still can one shot ppl (and should be able to if you have build focused 100% on damage, sacrificing everything else) but as a blade against good players you can do that by onslaught from cloak (hard to perform except when entering fight from cloak) or by bombing (mostly, incap ppl from stealth isn't really reliable way to do that). Sorcs for example are better gankers now then blades (they can engage from stealth/invis pots and kill ppl with burst combo that blade can only dream of) and can build that with some defence while Nb's to get similar (but still weaker) results need to go 100% into damage. As for bombing, currently necromancers are far superior in that then blades (harmony build, necro ulti bombing).
So why current blades build as glass cannon still hits weaker then other classes that have for example one defense set on themself? If because of cloak then yes, they should definitely change how it works now.

Ye there are specific situations that you can 1 shot that you can build for but not as effective as NB USED to be, which is what wont come back.

Nothing will beat being able to 1 shot someone from a place of no counter or danger and then be able to escape easily, which stamnb used to be king at.

Unfadingsilence

Stebarnz wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

https://youtu.be/NEAP6VGVutg

https://youtu.be/gj5Pm0w4p5k

https://youtu.be/a8T2vPS8Ed0

All done in the last few days I feel like NB is in an amazing spot both Stamina and Magicka atleast from 1am-5am 😜

But yah let's be real pvp in general in broken right now not just NBs

wait until patch, but cloak hasnt really ever worked too well for me as im in the uk and play on pc na as pc eu is a joke.

brandonv516 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Jesus, you are hard work, explaining things is tiresome.

The reasons im giving are why nb will never be buffed, if they buffed them back or did some suggestions what crazies are asking for AND kept invis it would be too strong!

HENCE why if you want the damage BACK invis is a problem.

Please tell me you understand now.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.

The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.

I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.

I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.

I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.

what content do you use it in?

In every moment of my waking life, but i do dream about cloak in slumber if that counts?

no it doesnt as it doesnt make sense or add anything to a debate, but if thats your level then im happy youre happy.

Why do you insist that NBs asking for buffs are "crazies"?

You do know the class will get some buffs at some point right? Cloak is not holding the class back from this happening, it's just not our turn right now.

You not read some of the things people are asking for? All buff nb posts! Some of the stuff is wild!

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

That is the comment of someone who doesnt understand.

Cloak has been used to troll for years and its powerful when initiating combat to get a one shot, zos dont want one shot hence nb is broke as a class, follow the logic.

Its purely pvp as in pve nobody ever uses it.

Nightblade has not been able to one shot for literally years. In fact its so long ago I cant even remember the last time I did it, maybe in year 2 of the game or maybe with a proc set.

You see when you write stuff like this its difficult to explain things that you are answering in the thing you wrote.

There should NEVER be 1 shots (like old style zergbad), the fact that nb's could is why stuff got nerfed and it all revolved around cloak, even the current max burst available for nb is based around cloak (as in the invis part).

This is why the skills got nerfed so they were able to keep invis, also the nerings from nb being top teir pve dps hurt the class so they got hit from both sides.

Its difficult for me to sound like i want the class to succeed, which i do, when you dont understand what im actually saying.

Choose... crap damage and low utility with invis or.... something else like a different rogue based skill something good that keeps nb relevant and keeps identity and is fun and effective which lets the entire class get rebalanced and reworked.

90% of nb is snipe or cast from range and then try to escape when they are seen but mainly as soon as they are seen they die, 10% can actually play some using cloak affectively but not really as 100% defence kind of 50-50 offence and defence.

Plus also the suicide bomber, which is about as much fun as you can have with nb currently kill more than you die kind of approach.

But but previously you said that NB got nerfs because of one shots. But one shots are a thing of the long distant past. You are talking about NBs from years ago not the recent past. I'm not sure what you are suggesting tbh.

Jesus, you are hard work, explaining things is tiresome.

The reasons im giving are why nb will never be buffed, if they buffed them back or did some suggestions what crazies are asking for AND kept invis it would be too strong!

HENCE why if you want the damage BACK invis is a problem.

Please tell me you understand now.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Im agreeing with everyone who wants nb to work and get sorted, i want this also.

The reason as ive said that they struggle to balance it is cloak in pvp and because it dominated for so long in top tier pvp.

I dont use cloak in pve as its not needed ever, and dont use it in pvp as i feel you have to sacrifice so much to make it work, you have to build speed and use shade and be squishy with everything about timing and the amount of lag and skill and ult delay its too frustrating for me to such a build.

I understand to get the class balanced in pvp they have to change invis to something inline with the class but not something that can be used so effectively.

I want to use cloak, to be a stealth class. i dont want to be like all the rest. its part of NB identity. Frustrating for you maybe but actually a great deal of fun for many.

what content do you use it in?

In every moment of my waking life, but i do dream about cloak in slumber if that counts?

no it doesnt as it doesnt make sense or add anything to a debate, but if thats your level then im happy youre happy.

Sorry but only because people see it in another way than you dosen't mean they don't understand the game,more like you fail too see the point beside your personal (biased)one.

There are a lot of way to buff the class and rebalance cloak and counter,but if you think that cloak is the reason the class can't be buffed youre delusional.

Example remove the crit from it or add a cost increase every cast(like streak) but rebalance the counter and how they interact with cloak.
i would agree with you if cloak had no counter and was impossible to break but is not the case here.

The reason the class got nerfed is because many people can't deal with cloak for lack of skill or simply don't want to use a counter and so on.

In every game a play the rogue class:

In WoW is rogue

On warhammer was Witch Hunter/witch elf

Gw 2 thief

Swtor operative/sith assassin and so on.

The reason i(and for many other too i guess) play NB is because is the only class that is actually a rogue,if i want to play another class in medium with no stealth i can play a stamsorc/necro for example.

I don't think is too hard to understand such a simple thing but im sure you will come back again with "you don't understand the game".

Another non reader, ok.

Biased... If you bothered to read i play mag and stam nb, magnb is my main and first char i created any buff is welcomed by me, i want the class brought inline too so thats my biased point of view.

Cloak doesnt work currently, it never has and never will at least not to peoples expectations which is... to vanish completely, not take damage while invis and be able to escape any situation where they will die so they can re-engage at leisure. THAT is what people are asking for and wont be happy until this happens.

I get some people want a rogue class thats why if you bothered to read i said CHANGE cloak to some rogue based skill thats useable, effective, cool looking, has class identity and actually works so the class can be brought inline.

The things you are saying like remove crit and add spam cost, yes thats all good stuff and would be great if implemented well but that wont get the class brought inline and it also wont get cloak working in a way that people will be happy with.

Bottom line is the people who actually created this game no longer work for ZO$ so the people they have working there dont actually know how to rework things without creating more dramas than they try to fix thats why every single patch creates worse play and more bugs.

But whatever, ill just keep watching these buff nb threads and laugh at the dreams and tears from people who dont actually see the bigger picture. I hope you get exactly what your after. Peace.

Disagree. I actually like how Cloak works on console right now. And it has worked well in the past for me too.

But yes there are times it doesn't.

wait until patch

I play on EU and live in the USA I get better fps playing on EU I think it's odd but I enjoy it

ZOS_Ragnar

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