Top players really run meta build?

fred4

GRXRG wrote: »

One funny thing happened before, i was in imperial city, and when i run around i always rotate my buffs up in case of some sneaky nightblade which are always sneaking around. Few seconds later one guy ingage me from stealth. He stuns me and do few hits and go stealth again, i rotate my buffs and heals and i am full health ready for him, he stuns me, i break free and dodge roll immediately after and then i am dead.

Not good enough. If you know the NB is out there and nothing else is going on, you stand there and block for a while. If you have somewhere to go, keep moving, perhaps sprinting, otherwise stand and block.

NBs like nothing more than a stationary target who is not blocking, e.g. someone waiting for a flag to turn. Also, if you're not Psijic yet, I recommend that. The little block shield helps in these situations. Finally you might want to think of actively going after the NB. That means you have Immovability + Detect potions on you, which you quaff when you already see the NB. Do not use such potions speculatively. You won't find the NB. It's a huge waste. My anti-NB gameplay tends to go: NB ganks, I dodge roll / block / survive. NB disappears, I block. NB has no choice but to engage you with block up, which they prefer not to do. Usually they come back though. This time you have swapped to the detect potion. Once you drink that, you can't be CCd anymore and it's open season on the NB.

I see my death recap: 7k surprise attack, 2k light attack, 10k assassin's scourge (or will dont remember) 10k incap strike, 12k executioner, all happened within a second. So yeah i know hacks that cannot bypass the game 1 second global cooldown don't exist, so that was just a crazy desync server lag?

It sounds like it, to be honest. Those particular skills need 4 GCDs to land and they're all dodgeable, so you should have dodged at least one. Of course, if you told me that Snipe was involved or that the sequence of events was different, that would change things substantially. For example, if you dodge roll and then you get feared, that tends to lock you in an "unbreakable" stun - a stun that takes 2 GCDs to clear.

Nightblades don't have stacked burst that lands at the same time, like other classes do - when you forget about Snipe, Dizzying and heavy attacks at least. ZOS death recap isn't very good. On PC I recommend installing a combat log addon that gives you a much better picture of the sequence of events. FTC has one. If you using that, be sure to turn off the scrolling combat text. FTC is known to kill performance. It's the scrolling combat text part of the addon, which does that.

fred4

Of course you also have to learn distinguishing Cloak from Shade from Undo. Best practice: If the NB disappears, turn 180 degrees and look for her there. Gap close, if you can.

fred4

Kelces wrote: »

There are certainly weird things happening with some players. Why they won't tell you their build etc. is mostly because they don't want to reveal to others which so-called "broken" sets they use, so others would get eye to eye with those. Or if those sets are just genuinely powerful and it's something totally different, then this would become obvious if you were using them in the way they do, but failed to have similar effects.

In any case, changes would be on their way (AKA nerf hammer) and the opportunists won't have that advantage any more. Anyway, certain is that they don't like any competition.

I think some are playing mind-games. More likely they're playing stuff that's only marginally at the top or that merely suits their playstyle and they simply don't want ZOS to come after it with the nerf-hammer.

Septimus_Magna

The problem with 1vX videos is that you never know how good the X-amount of players are. In general PVP is a numbers game and a 1v2 against two good players is already incredibly difficult, no matter how good your build is.

PVP is a very different skill to other aspects that you encounter in ESO, learning how to mitigate dmg or how to burst properly can take a long time to learn. Each class and build has different strengths and weaknesses that you need to take into consideration. If you fight a stamDK your approach might be different than if you fight a magSorc. All these aspects makes the learning curve very steep.

Cirantille

There is no meta build for PvP.

That is the beautiful part of it.

So if you feel like you are lacking damage, check out the set lists and acquire them to your needs.

If you lack sustain, put your cps accordingly.

Etc you get the point.

Also it gets better with experience...

Iskiab

fred4 wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

There are certainly weird things happening with some players. Why they won't tell you their build etc. is mostly because they don't want to reveal to others which so-called "broken" sets they use, so others would get eye to eye with those. Or if those sets are just genuinely powerful and it's something totally different, then this would become obvious if you were using them in the way they do, but failed to have similar effects.

In any case, changes would be on their way (AKA nerf hammer) and the opportunists won't have that advantage any more. Anyway, certain is that they don't like any competition.

I think some are playing mind-games. More likely they're playing stuff that's only marginally at the top or that merely suits their playstyle and they simply don't want ZOS to come after it with the nerf-hammer.

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned, if they said 300k gold for their build they might have been saying it as a joke. You can’t read someone’s demeanour in chat.

Like, if someone paid that and then was given the same build they were wearing it would be hilarious, not for the person paying, but for everyone else.

fred4

Cirantille wrote: »

There is no meta build for PvP.

That is the beautiful part of it.

So if you feel like you are lacking damage, check out the set lists and acquire them to your needs.

If you lack sustain, put your cps accordingly.

Etc you get the point.

Also it gets better with experience...

I don't agree entirely. For example I grew up as a medium armor stam DK without 1H + Shield and that has always been tough. I had exactly the problem that the OP has, I would be picked off by gankers, at least historically. Things change considerably with heavy armor and/or by using 1H + Shield. It just suits DK, not least due to their blocking passive.

I also don't see myself ever wearing anything but light armor on a magicka solo / small-scaler / DD build. You simply lose too much damage otherwise, something you especially feel on templar and NB, who have that crit damage passive.

In other words, there are trends. Stam DK and stamden, I'd go heavy. Stamsorc, stamblade, stamplar: I'd personally go medium. Magicka: Light. Magsorc and magden, I'd stack magicka. Magplar, I'd stack spell damage. Magblade, either approach can work.

Thogard

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

MartiniDaniels

GRXRG wrote: »

So for learning at stamden or stamplar what sets i should run?
A defensive set paired with a damage one and bloodspawn?

From my personal experience...
There are 3 staple things - damage-healing, mitigation, sustain. Try maxing out 2 of those and then work on one which is lacking, slowly adjusting it. Imo, in U24 best option is to run with high damage and high mitigation and minimal sustain and so your learning is how to sustain in such conditions against either tanky or high damage opponent(s). In 1st case you learn how to keep pressure against tanky guys, while keeping enough resources for burst, in second case you learn how to survive that high incoming damage, while trying to concentrate enough resources for your burst.
After you will be confident in such mode, sacrifice a bit of mitigation/damage for sustain and look what will change, then a bit more and so on until you find optimal combination for your playstyle.

As for the Pariah... ESO is very min-maxed game.. things work best if they are stacked. So you either have some big 6-7k WD+good sustain and rely on healing/roll-dodge/blocking for mitigation, or you are stacking a lot of resistances+protection buffs and 5-6k WD but minimal passive sustain and do a lot of heavy attacks. Pariah alone imo just boring and pointless. Pariah+Bloodspawn+minor maim+minor protection+major evasion that is very good combination to wear out your opponents while you picking proper moment for burst.

Kartalin

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

There are 3 staple things - damage-healing, mitigation, sustain.

I prefer to think of healing as a type of mitigation, especially as a magplar. Some damage you can take but you have to be able to recover from it, which means you have to consider the fight that you're in and gauge the quality of your opponents.

Thogard wrote: »

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Used to be so bad you thought I was good lol Glad you're able to enjoy a stamDK build that is not Warden.

SpiderCultist

ok, nobody will tell you this, and even less on a public forum

buy a good mouse and keyboard

I repeat:

buy a good mouse and keyboard

like every allegedly "pro" you see on twitch

if they don't get banned, neither should you

gl & regards

Thogard

Kartalin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

There are 3 staple things - damage-healing, mitigation, sustain.

I prefer to think of healing as a type of mitigation, especially as a magplar. Some damage you can take but you have to be able to recover from it, which means you have to consider the fight that you're in and gauge the quality of your opponents.

Thogard wrote: »

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Used to be so bad you thought I was good lol Glad you're able to enjoy a stamDK build that is not Warden.

i'll always think you're good, even if that goodness is wasted carrying a not-so-good guild

katorga

SpiderCultist wrote: »

ok, nobody will tell you this, and even less on a public forum

buy a good mouse and keyboard

I repeat:

buy a good mouse and keyboard

like every allegedly "pro" you see on twitch

if they don't get banned, neither should you

gl & regards

This. If you can't do the basic mechanics of playing - animation canceling, using LOS, and using reactive defences. You will get owned by player using the exact same class and build as you are. This is exactly my weakest area. And no I don't have the optimal mouse and keyboard.

Otherwise, damage = healing. If you go full damage, you have also gone full healing. Easy enough. If you are really good, block and dodge are all the mitigation you need.

Then figure out what am I missing...sustain? Do I get it back through skills, sets, food, race?

NMA is beyond me. Mathmatically it is not better than other damage sets, and it carrires a huge penalty. I don't know why it is a go-to set over other comarable alternatives.

MartiniDaniels

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Your average damage in video rarely goes higher then 5k with peak at 5700. You can have those numbers with pariah on jewelry, and with virtually 100% uptime, not 5 seconds in 20 seconds. Nice slaughter from 4:00 but if you had pariah+orc or bone pirate+more WD enchants instead of fury it will be the same or maybe even better.

fred4

Well, that is an arrogant post by Thogard, I have to say. I also happen to think he is correct. I started off with Reactive Armor in Cyro and was chuffed when I could survive against a single sorc. Sets like that can help you build confidence, but they won't win you any fights.

Having said that, my magblade main is probably quite off meta, yet I love her. Thogard hints at something I find infurating about the meta: You have to learn how to work with a minimum of sustain. You have to take him with a grain of salt, because he is playing a DK (sustains from ults), but in general he's right. To be effective, you have to build into as much damage as you can. That means you probably should include heavy attacks in your playstyle and you may not build for things like speed.

I loathe all that. I like speed. I like high sustain. I like being able to perma-cloak as a solo player, because it means I can avoid zergs. It's a double-edged sword. It can also make you complacent.

Is your goal to be a 1vXer? Is there a silent assumption that that's the pinnacle of PvP? It has been for me. However when I see the likes of Bubosh sitting on a resource, waiting for potatoes to arrive, that's not my idea of fun, so maybe I'm not cut out for it. Or at least not that. I hate stakeouts. I like to keep moving. When I see an opportunity, I like going after it. I like having the sustain and speed to keep up with people and on top of them. This means the damage of my build is compromised (a lot) and I cannot defeat good duellers on my own, but really ... what else is new?

I've been looking for an excuse to post this clip. So in the spirit of Thogard's post, these are my credentials. I can't do 1v22. I'm not sure whether Thogard does that every day. Perhaps he does, but I think most YouTube clips are cherry-picked and so is mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC4GRO7UUEk

Recording yourself - look up OBS Studio - can help you analyze your gameplay. Let me point out a few good and bad things about my clip. At the beginning, I'm just jumping in and out of the fight. There are too many NPCs around and it's really hard to target a player. Ideally you want to synchronise burst with your mate, but really my goal here was just to do something, anything, to take the pressure off him. Instead I jumped the Ogrim at one point. Kind of stupid, eh? I judged myself too squishy to stay in the middle of the fight. One NPC negate could kill me.

My fellow red is killed at 0:35 and the NB runs a detect on me at 0:47. I try to be a little bit tricky by doubling back twice and running across my rune. I would still have expected the NB to hit me, yet they did not. They were a bad player.

At 1:14 I get lucky, as I run over the crouching NB. This tends to happen on magblade. Cloak beats crouch. You see them, they can't see you. A bad nightblade is easily countered by a detection potion, which is my default potion and I'm using it here.

Watch what happens at 1:24. I took a risk finishing off the NB. I should really have switched to Impale. The necro was good. His main issue was IMO only being CP592, otherwise he would have probably had me. After his Onslaught, I cast Healing Ward into a dodge roll, leaving my rune, but I also block momentarily. You can hear the clang from his next attack, which would have probably killed me, had I not blocked.

It's about the habits you form. I made a conscious effort to cast Healing Ward before dodge rolls a while ago. The little block, though, that's a habit I seem to have unconsciously acquired. Watching the rest, you'll notice that I'm really bad a predicting D-Swing and whatever he's using (partial heavy I assume) to stun me. I rely on not being killed, getting up and recovering. This is a big achilles heel in my gameplay.

For what it's worth, I'm wearing Troll King, Caluurion, Eternal Hunt and Blackrose resto on this build. None of that is particularly off meta on it's own, except for wearing Eternal Hunt on magblade.

PhoenixGrey

Thogard wrote: »

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s almost everyone in this game.

Fixed ! yw

MaxJrFTW

Those builds require skill to make them work. If you're just getting into pvp you should probably use a dmg proc set and a defensive one. Run high recovery to heavy attack as little as possible. Let the game do some of the work for you until you're comfortable enough to make the transition.

Cathexis

Logically you would think they would but just in practicality I doubt it. The longer you play the more you understand what works for you, and in practicality the meta is more or less a fabrication.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Carespanker wrote: »

First rule to eso pvp theory crafting, there is no gear meta or Bis. There will always be something that does more in certain fields but nothing that does everything on its own. (new moon is bad btw)

Second rule of eso pvp theory crafting, know the basics. If you cant animation cancel, weave, or roll around corners to avoid damage you will have the same underperformance issues as any1 in the game making any build useless.

Third rule of eso pvp theory crafting, make sure it kills. The goal is to kill (Preferably faster than your opponent). Find 3+ sets that fit together, ask yourself how its going to kill with whatever gimmick your class can do to support its killingness then test it. If you still can't make it kill with numbers that look like it should kill repeat step 2 or find a new set.

The fourth rule of eso pvp theory crafting, make sure it lives long enough to kill. If it doesn't try finding a workaround through skills, learn how to dodge around corners better, or simply stop trying to 1vX every chance you get.

And the fifth and final rule to eso pvp theory crafting, Do not copy builds. 99.9% of the time you will be getting guides from people catering to alcast sheep. Which means they are looking for the "WoW Refugee" to give them a quick view on an easy copypasta build that doesn't teach you how to use it whatsoever, and everything that is second nature that they claim "everyone should know(aka everything in rule 2)" is simply left out. You will never have the same experience as them no matter how long they describe their gameplay to you so its best to just use them as a reference if you need a place to start and forge your own path.

I hope this helps.

Very well said.

Iskiab

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is nerfs. Meta changes but is being pushed towards medium/heavy armour stamina and going for max stats.

You can pretty much look at any set that deviated from this in the past 2 years and see it’s been nerfed.

You can either fight it or just accept and roll with it. Just be tanky enough so your high healing can be effective and you’ll do well.

Edit - The other thing is Pariah is a very popular set in BGs, never see it in builds posted though.

GRXRG

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Which set is better to not give up? Fury or nma?
For example is better to run nma/spriggan or fury/spriggan? Or instead of spriggan are there any other good alternatives like ancient dragonguard or not?
I feel like fury stacking doesn't feel my playstyle much and I'd rather have my damage always there when I need it instead of having a little small window to try my combi burst, any advice?

Kartalin

GRXRG wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Which set is better to not give up? Fury or nma?
For example is better to run nma/spriggan or fury/spriggan? Or instead of spriggan are there any other good alternatives like ancient dragonguard or not?
I feel like fury stacking doesn't feel my playstyle much and I'd rather have my damage always there when I need it instead of having a little small window to try my combi burst, any advice?

If you don’t like Fury then you could try NMA/bone pirate. You have more recovery built in so jewelry enchants and mundus can go towards damage, or you can mix and match to suit your play style. The downside is the drinks available are not as good as food, spring loaded infusion for tristat or dubious camoran throne (not sure how the new werewolf broth is).

fred4

GRXRG wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Which set is better to not give up? Fury or nma?
For example is better to run nma/spriggan or fury/spriggan? Or instead of spriggan are there any other good alternatives like ancient dragonguard or not?
I feel like fury stacking doesn't feel my playstyle much and I'd rather have my damage always there when I need it instead of having a little small window to try my combi burst, any advice?

By all means, Thogard or anyone, correct me, but I think a lot of damage sets are near equivalent. Fury, NMA, Spriggan, Shield Breaker, Seventh Legion back bar. You perform well in one combination, you'll perform similar in the others. That said, I'm not a huge fan of Fury myself.

One of my builds uses Shield Breaker front bar, 7th Legion back bar, leaving room for 2x Potentates (or Agility) jewelry. I like that combination for the health regen, pairing well with gold food and optional Troll King, which makes it worth stuffing some points into health regen CP. Also the Potentates damage reduction on both bars. You could substitute Spriggan or NMA in place of Shield Breaker, though. The latter simply gives you the most sustain. I think it's a little overlooked.

DUTCH_REAPER

There is only so much damage, resistance and regen one can attain with set ups. Finding the balance for you is what will help your play style. Not everyone plays the same. Building to the classes weakness and strengths is a hallmark of being a good player.

The Uninvited

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

There is only so much damage, resistance and regen one can attain with set ups. Finding the balance for you is what will help your play style. Not everyone plays the same. Building to the classes weakness and strengths is a hallmark of being a good player.

This!

I find that I do almost the same damage if I either use a damage set or a max stat set. Preferences for different setups of course, but it's either you choose 2 damage sets, means you put on recovery glyphs or vice versa. Same with picking mundus stone, resistances and so on.

Thogard

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Your average damage in video rarely goes higher then 5k with peak at 5700. You can have those numbers with pariah on jewelry, and with virtually 100% uptime, not 5 seconds in 20 seconds. Nice slaughter from 4:00 but if you had pariah+orc or bone pirate+more WD enchants instead of fury it will be the same or maybe even better.

@MartiniDaniels i run sharpened frontbar because I’m in a leap setup, not an onslaught setup. I’m in NMA fury and 3x infused wep dmg jewelry.

My setup is mathematically min-maxxed

Comparing pariah + orc to nord + fury isn’t even close.

Thogard

GRXRG wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Which set is better to not give up? Fury or nma?
For example is better to run nma/spriggan or fury/spriggan? Or instead of spriggan are there any other good alternatives like ancient dragonguard or not?
I feel like fury stacking doesn't feel my playstyle much and I'd rather have my damage always there when I need it instead of having a little small window to try my combi burst, any advice?

Why not just focus on learning how to sync up your burst? It’s an important skill set that you NEED to develop if you want to be good.

If you don’t mind being mediocre, sure, take a shortcut.

So many of the people giving advice here are telling you to use crutches. I’m telling you to learn how to play without them.

Practice doesn’t make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. If you really need sustain, run 2x infused wep dmg and 1x infused reduced cost instead of 3x infused wep dmg. Eventually you’ll grow out of it.

On stamden you’ll be using bonk (2h ult) to kill. Spriggan is a pen set that is redundant with 2h ult. You need to stack weapon dmg. Run 2h nirn greatsword. I’m on a 2h Sharp maul because I’m a DK and use leap, not bonk, but my stamden (my main) is 2h nirn greatsword

GRXRG

Thogard wrote: »

GRXRG wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Which set is better to not give up? Fury or nma?
For example is better to run nma/spriggan or fury/spriggan? Or instead of spriggan are there any other good alternatives like ancient dragonguard or not?
I feel like fury stacking doesn't feel my playstyle much and I'd rather have my damage always there when I need it instead of having a little small window to try my combi burst, any advice?

Why not just focus on learning how to sync up your burst? It’s an important skill set that you NEED to develop if you want to be good.

If you don’t mind being mediocre, sure, take a shortcut.

So many of the people giving advice here are telling you to use crutches. I’m telling you to learn how to play without them.

Practice doesn’t make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. If you really need sustain, run 2x infused wep dmg and 1x infused reduced cost instead of 3x infused wep dmg. Eventually you’ll grow out of it.

On stamden you’ll be using bonk (2h ult) to kill. Spriggan is a pen set that is redundant with 2h ult. You need to stack weapon dmg. Run 2h nirn greatsword. I’m on a 2h Sharp maul because I’m a DK and use leap, not bonk, but my stamden (my main) is 2h nirn greatsword

You advice to run medium or heavy setup being a nord stamden?

Thogard

GRXRG wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

GRXRG wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Having a good build won’t make you an effective player.

But not having a good build can prevent you from being an effective player.

@GRXRG continue using NMA fury bloodspawn. But know that now you have to actually learn how to play.

Don’t slow your learning by equipping a sustain or a mitigation set. Can’t learn how to sprint while holding a crutch that prevents you from falling down, no matter how tempting it may be.

Don’t listen to most of the people here who are advocating crutches or advocating going off meta.

I used to be bad. Now I’m good.

Here’s a recent vid from my channel.

https://youtu.be/wavrnuyv_pg

Then go back and watch how bad I was in the first vid I uploaded.

Those are my credentials. Don’t ask for directions from people who haven’t been to the place you want to get to. Sadly that’s most of the people in this thread.

Which set is better to not give up? Fury or nma?
For example is better to run nma/spriggan or fury/spriggan? Or instead of spriggan are there any other good alternatives like ancient dragonguard or not?
I feel like fury stacking doesn't feel my playstyle much and I'd rather have my damage always there when I need it instead of having a little small window to try my combi burst, any advice?

Why not just focus on learning how to sync up your burst? It’s an important skill set that you NEED to develop if you want to be good.

If you don’t mind being mediocre, sure, take a shortcut.

So many of the people giving advice here are telling you to use crutches. I’m telling you to learn how to play without them.

Practice doesn’t make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. If you really need sustain, run 2x infused wep dmg and 1x infused reduced cost instead of 3x infused wep dmg. Eventually you’ll grow out of it.

On stamden you’ll be using bonk (2h ult) to kill. Spriggan is a pen set that is redundant with 2h ult. You need to stack weapon dmg. Run 2h nirn greatsword. I’m on a 2h Sharp maul because I’m a DK and use leap, not bonk, but my stamden (my main) is 2h nirn greatsword

You advice to run medium or heavy setup being a nord stamden?

Heavy

Alpheu5

Carespanker wrote: »

First rule to eso pvp theory crafting, there is no gear meta or Bis. There will always be something that does more in certain fields but nothing that does everything on its own. (new moon is bad btw)

Second rule of eso pvp theory crafting, know the basics. If you cant animation cancel, weave, or roll around corners to avoid damage you will have the same underperformance issues as any1 in the game making any build useless.

Third rule of eso pvp theory crafting, make sure it kills. The goal is to kill (Preferably faster than your opponent). Find 3+ sets that fit together, ask yourself how its going to kill with whatever gimmick your class can do to support its killingness then test it. If you still can't make it kill with numbers that look like it should kill repeat step 2 or find a new set.

The fourth rule of eso pvp theory crafting, make sure it lives long enough to kill. If it doesn't try finding a workaround through skills, learn how to dodge around corners better, or simply stop trying to 1vX every chance you get.

And the fifth and final rule to eso pvp theory crafting, Do not copy builds. 99.9% of the time you will be getting guides from people catering to alcast sheep. Which means they are looking for the "WoW Refugee" to give them a quick view on an easy copypasta build that doesn't teach you how to use it whatsoever, and everything that is second nature that they claim "everyone should know(aka everything in rule 2)" is simply left out. You will never have the same experience as them no matter how long they describe their gameplay to you so its best to just use them as a reference if you need a place to start and forge your own path.

I hope this helps.

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