Skyrim Dark Heart Confirmed for the next expansion at Game Awards

SpiderKnight

Am I remembering the original trailers wrong? Didn't the Altmer behead that Nord? Maybe that was wishful thinking...?

cyclonus11

CassandraGemini wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

I like how this is "nostalgia milking" when that's pretty much what this entire game is, lol.

And where was this whining when Vvardenfell was released? That chapter was the most nostalgic thing they've done, dragons included.

Edit: Or with Gold Coast - Kvatch caused nostalgic EXCITEMENT - but no complaining... ???

Sure, but let's not forget that TES V was by far the most successful title they made - probably one of the most successful games of all time. There are certainly a lot of long time Elder Scrolls fans here, but more than likely also many people who have only known Skyrim beforehand. So, I guess you can say that the Morrowind/Oblivion related zones were fanservice - the Skyrim chapter does seem to be a bit more commercially motivated to me, compared to that.

Then why didn't they center the first expansions around it? Why did they wait 6 years? They were eventually going to have to touch Skyrim. It is a part of Tamriel, and a lot of it is missing from the map. It was inevitable.

I think these "nostalgia" complaints was always going to happen, whether they expanded Skyrim immediately after launch, now, or 5 years from now. It's complaining for the sake of complaining.

Well, they could have just made it a "normal" DLC zone, like Murkmire or Wrothgar, instead of a whole chapter.

Well, for one, Wrothgar was essentially a chapter - it was just released before they officially started calling stuff chapters. It has a trial, two public dungeons, etc.

Also, there's way too much Skyrim left on the map for it just to be a current-day DLC zone. It needs a chapter. Same goes for Black Marsh and Hammerfell.

('Complaint' comment wasn't directed at you specifically - just look at the other comments in the thread.)

Siohwenoeht

L_Nici wrote: »

They should have waited 1 year so they could make the Skyrim chapter to its 10th birthday.

November 2020, not 2021 is the tenth anniversary.
November 2011, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, November 2020.

cyclonus11

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

They should have waited 1 year so they could make the Skyrim chapter to its 10th birthday.

November 2020, not 2021 is the tenth anniversary.
November 2011, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, November 2020.

No.

2011 -> 2012: 1 year.
2012 -> 2013: 2 years.
2013 -> 2014: 3 years.
2014 -> 2015: 4 years.
2015 -> 2016: 5 years.
2016 -> 2017: 6 years.
2017 -> 2018: 7 years.
2018 -> 2019: 8 years.
2019 -> 2020: 9 years.
2020 -> 2021: 10 years.

But anyway, if they waited to the 10th anniversary, they'd be OMG MILKING NOSTALGIA!!1!

...oh wait...

Siohwenoeht

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

They should have waited 1 year so they could make the Skyrim chapter to its 10th birthday.

November 2020, not 2021 is the tenth anniversary.
November 2011, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, November 2020.

No.

2011 -> 2012: 1 year.
2012 -> 2013: 2 years.
2013 -> 2014: 3 years.
2014 -> 2015: 4 years.
2015 -> 2016: 5 years.
2016 -> 2017: 6 years.
2017 -> 2018: 7 years.
2018 -> 2019: 8 years.
2019 -> 2020: 9 years.
2020 -> 2021: 10 years.

But anyway, if they waited to the 10th anniversary, they'd be OMG MILKING NOSTALGIA!!1!

...oh wait...

We've said the same thing lol. The tenth year from release is 2020.

cyclonus11

Tenth anniversary is November 11, 2021.

MJallday

Bekkael wrote: »

Sounds fine to me. My main is a lovely, blonde DK Nord, so another zone from Skyrim will be welcome to quest in. Nothing much else on my game radar for 2020, so bring it on.

Wonder what the ESO plans are for the new Xbox and Playstation...

It’ll be inconsequential, it’ll support the old ones still and the new ones are backwards compatible. Well the Xbox project x is anyway

Siohwenoeht

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Tenth anniversary is November 11, 2021.

The completion of the tenth year is 2021, the beginning of the tenth year is 2020. Just as 2020 is the last year of the decade, not the 1st year of the next decade... There was no year "0" in the western calendar. Everything starts at year 1.

Heatnix90

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

More $$$ through milking nostalgia... It's already very tiresome for those of us who didn't play the single player games... Getting new stuff? Nah! Let's just get ESV v2.

Maybe, I'm minority on this but I am not thrilled when I see a viking-like character standing on a rock. It's generic, it's gimmicky, it's MEH!

You shut your mouth. Nordbro was the best character out of the original trailers

tplink3r1

redgreensunset wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Heatnix90 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Great. More dragons and nostalgia milking. *yawn*

What in that trailer even made you think "more dragons"?

Some people just garbage post for the sake of garbage posting, jfc.

yes...especially since they have basically done EVERY other region besides skyrim

Um, Hammerfell?

We have Hew's Bane.

TheFM

ulrik.igerupb16_ESO wrote: »

More Skyrim fanboy milking, eh? I hope the plot is more interesting than the one in TESV; I never bothered completing the main story because it got boring real quick.

I mean we were bound to have that part of tamriel eventually considering the devs said they want ALL of tamriel to be in the game by the end.

theyancey

Excellent. I'm in!

BozzyTheDrummer

The one place I’m not looking forward to going back to. I loved the game, but good lord Skyrim has been shoved down our throats from every outlet for years now. Lol I’m sure it will be fun, but I’m bummed haha.

The_Lex

Some of us haven't finished a Skyrim play through on the smart fridge platform yet!!

CassandraGemini

cyclonus11 wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

I like how this is "nostalgia milking" when that's pretty much what this entire game is, lol.

And where was this whining when Vvardenfell was released? That chapter was the most nostalgic thing they've done, dragons included.

Edit: Or with Gold Coast - Kvatch caused nostalgic EXCITEMENT - but no complaining... ???

Sure, but let's not forget that TES V was by far the most successful title they made - probably one of the most successful games of all time. There are certainly a lot of long time Elder Scrolls fans here, but more than likely also many people who have only known Skyrim beforehand. So, I guess you can say that the Morrowind/Oblivion related zones were fanservice - the Skyrim chapter does seem to be a bit more commercially motivated to me, compared to that.

Then why didn't they center the first expansions around it? Why did they wait 6 years? They were eventually going to have to touch Skyrim. It is a part of Tamriel, and a lot of it is missing from the map. It was inevitable.

I think these "nostalgia" complaints was always going to happen, whether they expanded Skyrim immediately after launch, now, or 5 years from now. It's complaining for the sake of complaining.

Well, they could have just made it a "normal" DLC zone, like Murkmire or Wrothgar, instead of a whole chapter.

Well, for one, Wrothgar was essentially a chapter - it was just released before they officially started calling stuff chapters. It has a trial, two public dungeons, etc.

Also, there's way too much Skyrim left on the map for it just to be a current-day DLC zone. It needs a chapter. Same goes for Black Marsh and Hammerfell.

('Complaint' comment wasn't directed at you specifically - just look at the other comments in the thread.)

Hm, yeah, you might be right about Wrothgar - I have only started playing 14 or 15 months ago, so that was before my time.

But I honestly think that no matter what the next chapter would have been, some people would always complain because you just can't cater to everybody's tastes at the same time. I personally don't really have any race or any zone I specifically dislike, so I can potentially get hyped for anything if it is presented interestingly enough. But if somebody just doesn't like Nords or doesn't particularly want to trudge through the snow, I can see how they would not be looking forward to the chapter, even if it doesn't have anything to do with TES V. It might just be a general preference thing.

B0SSzombie

So "Dark Heart" huh?

Is that in reference to Blackreach, a literal Dark location in the Heart of Skyrim?

Or is it going to be more metaphorical and reference something like Vampires. Snowy region makes me think it has to be Central-Northern Skyrim, like the area shared by Whiterun, Winterhold, and The Pale. Northern part of Haafingar as well.

The Reach, Falkreath, and Hjaalmarch on the other hand are not that snowy at all.

Jeremy

Noxavian wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyqoMwbCjvU

Link to the trailer. All of you that said it wasn't going to happen can suck it

Cool trailer.

But I do believe the time and resources used to produce those mini movies would be better spent on developing new systems for the game. With it's Champion Point system at a current standstill and much of it's content becoming overly simplified and meaningless for high level progression, the game is starting to stagnate. Flashy graphics is no substitute for involving game play.

B0SSzombie

Jeremy wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyqoMwbCjvU

Link to the trailer. All of you that said it wasn't going to happen can suck it

Cool trailer.

But I do believe the time and resources used to produce those mini movies would be better spent on developing new systems for the game. With it's Champion Point system at a current standstill and much of it's content becoming overly simplified and meaningless for high level progression, the game is starting to stagnate. Flashy graphics is no substitute for involving game play.

Two completely different teams doing those things. The Graphics and Cinematics dudes would have not idea how to program stuff into the game and vice-versa.

kenneth.friisb16_ESO

I'm looking forward to returning to Skyrim. I'm exited to see what parts of Skyrim we'll see. And to see if we get to holds separated by nothingness, just like Northern and Southern Elsweyr

And we only know what part of Tamriel is on the table now, we don't know what and if there will be an acompanying mechanic.

Tholian1

I love the cinematic trailers for ESO. Does the snowy landscape we see in the trailer mean we will finally get to go to Winterhold before the great collapse happens? I hope so.

Jeremy

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyqoMwbCjvU

Link to the trailer. All of you that said it wasn't going to happen can suck it

Cool trailer.

But I do believe the time and resources used to produce those mini movies would be better spent on developing new systems for the game. With it's Champion Point system at a current standstill and much of it's content becoming overly simplified and meaningless for high level progression, the game is starting to stagnate. Flashy graphics is no substitute for involving game play.

Two completely different teams doing those things. The Graphics and Cinematics dudes would have not idea how to program stuff into the game and vice-versa.

I'm sure that's the case.

But the money - which is likely substantial - being spent on producing those cinematics could be spent elsewhere, no pun intended. It's a poor allocation of resources in my opinion.

Inklings

DARK HEART of skyrim.

We arnt going back to TES5. We arnt gonna be dragon borns and most likely wont see any dragons flying in the skys. Those that cant see past one word in the title are gonna feel really dumb when they give us more info on jan 16th.

Skyrim is my least favorite tes game and I'm super excited about this chapter cause I know the lore and what happened during this time period. Skyrim was a whole different place then what we got in TES5. There is a lot they could give us to be excited about! I cant wait!

Mitrenga

I'm very happy with the Skyrim decision. With many stability issues, Skyrim is the most risk free choice at the moment. If ZOS can also fix the stability issues with the PC EU, many will return to the game that they love to play. No pre-orders for me though, got to see the promised performance improvements in action first.

Ragnarock41

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

More $$$ through milking nostalgia... It's already very tiresome for those of us who didn't play the single player games... Getting new stuff? Nah! Let's just get ESV v2.

Maybe, I'm minority on this but I am not thrilled when I see a viking-like character standing on a rock. It's generic, it's gimmicky, it's MEH!

Do not talk [Snip] about the Nordbro he's trying his best

[Edit to remove censor bypassing]

Faulgor

Inklings wrote: »

DARK HEART of skyrim.

We arnt going back to TES5. We arnt gonna be dragon borns and most likely wont see any dragons flying in the skys. Those that cant see past one word in the title are gonna feel really dumb when they give us more info on jan 16th.

Skyrim is my least favorite tes game and I'm super excited about this chapter cause I know the lore and what happened during this time period. Skyrim was a whole different place then what we got in TES5. There is a lot they could give us to be excited about! I cant wait!

ESO already canonized Snow Whales, it's going to be much better than TESV!

All things point to Blackreach / Falmer lore being the focus of the chapter, which is great IMO because it wasn't really explored that much in TESV. And it also gives us an idea where the chapter will take place - given Blackreach's location, it's most likely The Pale and Winterhold. Which is also great, because Dawnstar and Winterhold seemed underdeveloped in TESV.

horizonxael

add suicide mode, make a dungeon and die a hundred times and complete the XD dungeon

Nomadic_Atmoran

SpiderKnight wrote: »

Am I remembering the original trailers wrong? Didn't the Altmer behead that Nord? Maybe that was wishful thinking...?

Nope. Just sent him to Coldharbor. But hes not the first to return from the dead here. The Breton was not just dead but full on falling apart from decay.

OG_Kaveman

Jeremy wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyqoMwbCjvU

Link to the trailer. All of you that said it wasn't going to happen can suck it

Cool trailer.

But I do believe the time and resources used to produce those mini movies would be better spent on developing new systems for the game. With it's Champion Point system at a current standstill and much of it's content becoming overly simplified and meaningless for high level progression, the game is starting to stagnate. Flashy graphics is no substitute for involving game play.

Two completely different teams doing those things. The Graphics and Cinematics dudes would have not idea how to program stuff into the game and vice-versa.

I'm sure that's the case.

But the money - which is likely substantial - being spent on producing those cinematics could be spent elsewhere, no pun intended. It's a poor allocation of resources in my opinion.

You are either underestimating the amount of money they make from people that see that trailer or overestimating how much it takes to make that trailer. Either way, the trailer is going to make the company more money then it took to make.

redgreensunset

Asardes wrote: »

Somers23 wrote: »

What if he didn't die, he could absorb the magic before

Well, Sai Sahan didn't have any problem with being left without a soul, Cadwell with being cut to pieces etc.

The fact that we never see Tharn's body tells me that they're at least keeping the possibility of his return open. And I never thought I'd say this but I wouldn't mind it. After the main quest storyline I was ready to murder him, would happily have let him get eaten by a dragon at the beginning of the Elsweyr story and not batted an eye, but like with Khamira even if I didn't really like him at the end I came to respect him, if grudgingly.
So no I wouldn't mind seeing him again, if only for a chance to have a conversation about the Amulet of Kings with him. We never did get around to discussing what he did with that.

Asardes

redgreensunset wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Somers23 wrote: »

What if he didn't die, he could absorb the magic before

Well, Sai Sahan didn't have any problem with being left without a soul, Cadwell with being cut to pieces etc.

The fact that we never see Tharn's body tells me that they're at least keeping the possibility of his return open. And I never thought I'd say this but I wouldn't mind it. After the main quest storyline I was ready to murder him, would happily have let him get eaten by a dragon at the beginning of the Elsweyr story and not batted an eye, but like with Khamira even if I didn't really like him at the end I came to respect him, if grudgingly.
So no I wouldn't mind seeing him again, if only for a chance to have a conversation about the Amulet of Kings with him. We never did get around to discussing what he did with that.

Would be funny to see him as a glowing ghoul, addressing the player with the cliche "smoothskin", considering how much radiation he absorbed from that explosion.