Why I hate PUGs
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I mean, if you go to zone and ask for 10k to buy a horse, you get blasted. Why is this different?
Any loot I have is because my group helped me.2 -
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I mean, if you go to zone and ask for 10k to buy a horse, you get blasted. Why is this different?
Do I really have to explain the difference between asking random people in zone and trading RNG drops within a group that completed content together?4 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For goodness sake, all of that is perfectly reasonable and obvious @Aurielle. My problem with that player was his failure to communicate, especially after the mistaken trade.
Perhaps the player was annoyed with you for whispering him out of the blue? Lots of people hate that addon for the intrusive whispers they receive, and won’t respond on principle.
It is not actually intrusive though, every data is open to the API directly or indirectly(yes, including someone else's exact DPS) and nothing is really private in ESO.
Generally what I have seen, as soon as I get a good drop, I get like 5-6 immediate whispers. If I need it, I say no and otherwise I give it to the first person. Yes, there are some jerks who demand a certain drop but that ain't gonna get them anywhere.
Good thing i play on console. No addons to worry about.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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Sgtmeg✭✭✭YO DUDE, I can at least attest to how *** salty I was over this incident too. A lot of people hyper focusing on the whole "O you whispered him the audacity" thing, which is silly in itself, but kinda funny that everyone's ignoring him sneaking off with my damn shield but w/e. I may or may not still be salty as *** about this encounter. To anyone wondering, I pursued the dude further, even tried adding him as a friend as there was absolutely no way at all for him to be confused that the shield was not for him, we made that very clear, but he never responded. Dude's just a snake, it be like that sometimes. Not everyone in pugs is a perfect angel just because they were bothered by "non-consensual whispering." As an edit, "the yahoo" was looking for Yol armor (never asked for weps and never whispered me or the OP afaik about the shield). It wasn't a mistake, dude knew what he was doing, took the shield, cut and run. I was busy trading some gear to someone else while this happened I think.
As an aside to the OP, I really appreciated you offering up that shield and idk if I properly thanked you for that even if it didn't work out. It took me another 3 hours on constant runs but I did end up getting one in the end
Hope people don't get to you too much on here. I'd never imagine people could get so upset about getting whispered. Edited by Sgtmeg on December 8, 2019 9:28PM6 -
Sgtmeg✭✭✭Add them to your ignore list.
I use my ignore list like a lifelong ban list. I won’t group with them, have them removed from any guilds I’m in, etc...
If it’s any consolation the person will go through life being a loser. Trust is the number one thing I look for when promoting people, people think it’s just a game but in reality things like this are a character flaw that pops up the rest of their life.
I've been running near constant runs of that trial so as many people as possible can get their gear during double loot and that person won't be joining for sure lol If you can't be a team player then you can't be a part of the team, simple as that.
Edit cuz comment saving is silly.Edited by Sgtmeg on December 8, 2019 9:37PM0 -
BalmoraRatgirl✭✭✭Lol. A good rule is to not go into any group with people you don't know expecting to be given their loot. Sure, some people are happy to trade, but there will always be people who aren't, especially it you're using an add-on they consider rude (the loot checker one); it is what it is. Find a guild to run trials and dungeons with if you want a better chance of being given loot.2 -
morrowjen✭✭✭✭✭It's ok to say in group that you're looking for x or x but don't whisper to them about what you see them loot from an addon if you don't know them or they didn't post it in group chat at the end of the trial. It's awkward for a lot of folks who want to keep their drop or those who've already promised it to someone else.2
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✭There is no way to tell on console correct? It’s just good faith. I trade away non-usable pieces because otherwise they just get deconned eventually.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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✭if you join a pug.. then you are a pug just sayin'
most PC players run UI addons that have the group loot feature. LUI & it's variants is very popular for the UI, group loot is just a bonus feature.
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mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭Well, first, I'm sorry that you lost the shield in that way. No matter what I say below, that kinda stinks and it was way rude of them to do that to another player.
That said, I can't stand people that use that add-on that tells them what loot people get. I find it WAY intrusive. No one should have the ability to know what's going into my inventory. If it were the type of game where loot was rolled for, or a Need/Greed system then fine. But that's not the way ESO works. Truthfully I think that add-on should be dis-allowed.
My typical response when someone asks for something that I haven't even had the chance to look at is first to make my dislike of the add-on clear, and then 1) apologize and say that I need it/gave to some else/already sold it, 2) twirl my hair and play dumb, and 3) if they had been a jerk through the instance - just ghost them.
So I dunno, maybe this is kind of a chicken/egg thing?"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
“There’s a difference between wanting to be looked at and wanting to be seen." ♥ Amanda Palmer
“A game is an opportunity to focus our energy, with relentless optimism, at something we’re good at (or getting better at) and enjoy. In other words, gameplay is the direct emotional opposite of depression.” ♥ Jane McGonigal
“They'll tell you you're too loud, that you need to wait your turn and ask the right people for permission. Do it anyway." ♥ Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez3 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭Add them to your ignore list.
I use my ignore list like a lifelong ban list. I won’t group with them, have them removed from any guilds I’m in, etc...
If it’s any consolation the person will go through life being a loser. Trust is the number one thing I look for when promoting people, people think it’s just a game but in reality things like this are a character flaw that pops up the rest of their life.
Not responding to someone who’s asking for loot in a video game is indicative of a “character flaw” that pops up in the rest of a person’s life? This person is, furthermore, a “loser” and will remain one for the rest of their life for not responding to a request for loot in a video game? Wow. That’s a bit dramatic and judgmental, don’t you think?
So agree Aurielle. And I find it super amusing how the person that used an add-on to snoop - something the average person wouldn't do in real life because it is considered intrusive to rifle through other people's stuff - is the good one and the winner, and the victim is the bad guy and a loser. LOL
"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
“There’s a difference between wanting to be looked at and wanting to be seen." ♥ Amanda Palmer
“A game is an opportunity to focus our energy, with relentless optimism, at something we’re good at (or getting better at) and enjoy. In other words, gameplay is the direct emotional opposite of depression.” ♥ Jane McGonigal
“They'll tell you you're too loud, that you need to wait your turn and ask the right people for permission. Do it anyway." ♥ Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez1 -
SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭Normally when I get attitude, I intentionally avoid healing and rezing that one person, works pretty well since they usually have something nice to say so I know it's working.0
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Heelie✭✭✭✭✭I never could understand how people feel that their loot is a private case, should everything be private then?
Name?
CP lvl?
Gear?
dps?
title?
pvp rank?Most OwOrated healer of all time2 -
BalmoraRatgirl✭✭✭I never could understand how people feel that their loot is a private case, should everything be private then?
Name?
CP lvl?
Gear?
dps?
title?
pvp rank?
Name - you choose what your name is, thus you choose what people see.
CP - true, others can see your raw number, but they don't know how you've allocated the points.
Gear - private (except sets like sanctuary which give other players a buff they can see on their own screens).
DPS - private as far as I know. My interface only tells me my own DPS as a percentage of the group damage. It does not tell me a random player's DPS.
Title - again, you choose what title others see.
PVP rank - I don't play PVP so I'm not sure if this is public by default.
But yeah, most of those things are already private/shown to others only by choice...1 -
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✭Just become selfish like others and refuse to give others drops that you don't need but know that they need. Continue the cycle of despair and vengeance. Yes, yes, let the hate flow through you.Xbox NA healer main
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Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭How can you hate this face?
Because they're genetically faulty creatures that we breed for god knows why while we ignore their inherent breathing problems. Just let the breed fade into history as one of mankind's mistakes, like with bell bottoms and tamagotchis.Xbox NA healer main
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✭✭✭✭✭Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »
My Winston is a beautiful specimen and he will not fade into obscurity! He is a beautiful creature that is not a mistake
Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!2 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭BalmoraRatgirl wrote: »I never could understand how people feel that their loot is a private case, should everything be private then?
Name?
CP lvl?
Gear?
dps?
title?
pvp rank?
Name - you choose what your name is, thus you choose what people see.
CP - true, others can see your raw number, but they don't know how you've allocated the points.
Gear - private (except sets like sanctuary which give other players a buff they can see on their own screens).
DPS - private as far as I know. My interface only tells me my own DPS as a percentage of the group damage. It does not tell me a random player's DPS.
Title - again, you choose what title others see.
PVP rank - I don't play PVP so I'm not sure if this is public by default.
But yeah, most of those things are already private/shown to others only by choice...
none of these things are private through the APIMost OwOrated healer of all time0 -
Varkal2112✭✭✭Lmao at people saying an addon reading public data provided by the client is "intrusive". I literally never link any gear, if anyone wants something bad enough they'll have the addon and pm me to ask for it. If someone is asking you something and you choose not to respond because you don't like the addons they're using, don't expect that person to group with you in the future. It's one thing not to understand them, and another to actively ignore them. In any case, when you're running a trial (especially something like sunspire, which is full of bis gear people most likely need), it is an *** move not to give people the loot you don't need. That's the simple truth of the matter3
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Had an experience with that creepy loot snooping add-on. Some guy said in the grp chat before we started that he's looking for a chest or leg piece of a set. We all said sure ok and I kept his request in mind.
Then halfway through the dungeon, he suddenly linked the drops that other ppl and I got in the group chat and asking if he can have those. The other dude and I got legit creeped out and he asked "wth how did you know what I got??". I was initially willing to give my drops to him, but that snooping behavior is just so stalker-ish it completely pissed me off and I almost didn't give my drops to him.
I did give it to him in the end tho. I wish that add-on is banned... So creepy!4 -
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✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »
My Winston is a beautiful specimen and he will not fade into obscurity! He is a beautiful creature that is not a mistake
Why is it that half the people I come across with pugs name them Winston? Is it from a movie or something?Xbox NA healer main
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✭✭✭✭✭Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »
My Winston is a beautiful specimen and he will not fade into obscurity! He is a beautiful creature that is not a mistake
Why is it that half the people I come across with pugs name them Winston? Is it from a movie or something?
We named him after Winston ChurchillGrand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
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✭✭✭Had an experience with that creepy loot snooping add-on. Some guy said in the grp chat before we started that he's looking for a chest or leg piece of a set. We all said sure ok and I kept his request in mind.
Then halfway through the dungeon, he suddenly linked the drops that other ppl and I got in the group chat and asking if he can have those. The other dude and I got legit creeped out and he asked "wth how did you know what I got??". I was initially willing to give my drops to him, but that snooping behavior is just so stalker-ish it completely pissed me off and I almost didn't give my drops to him.
I did give it to him in the end tho. I wish that add-on is banned... So creepy!
Did he ask in the same way for each one? Ie,"<username>, may I please have <item>?" Some guildies and I had a dude doing this in a trial and it seemed like he was using an add-on to click what you wanted from the group loot "snooper" and it would autofill the name of the user who got it and the item.
If that exists then THAT is weird. That's the only time we've said no because if you're going to ask, at least don't use some weird bot mod or whatever.
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✭✭✭redlink1979 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »Yeah, happened to me many times. Someone gets sth I need. I politely whisper him, asking if I can have it. Just zero answer. No "I need it, sorry". No "I want it for my dd/tank/healer". Nothing. Absolute silence.
Whenever someone asks me to give him sth, I always respond. Dont know why some people fail to act like normal human beings.
You’re playing an international game, with people who speak many languages and come from many backgrounds. The person who isn’t responding might not speak English. They might have chat disabled because they prefer to play the game without that distraction. They might have severe social anxiety and struggle to respond to strangers. Or they might just be annoyed with the intrusive nature of the add-on and hate getting bombarded with whispers after every drop. Why accuse someone of not acting like a “normal human being” when there are so many valid and understandable reasons why a person might not respond?
You always get a notification if someone whispers/messages you or if you receive mail... If you ignore it or not, it's your decision.
I'm sorry but I regularly only notice whispers like 20 minutes later. I don't have any reason to be looking in chat. I'll try to keep chat visible when pugging dungeons to catch group messages, but I'll still often miss them because I'm busy playing a game.1 -
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✭✭✭If you sneak peak on my drops and then whisper me during the dungeon or trial, that's rude.
I don't even check my drops until the end, so I have no idea what I get and no desire to know thanks. Have some manners dude.
IF I want to trade it, I will say so to the group at the end.
If I don't say, it means I don't want to trade it.
Good luck getting your chestpiece and have fun.
And why should the nag be the one to get it? You can give it to someone who waits until the end when people start offering stuff up.
I have no problem with people asking. On the other hand, some people feel uncomfortable being put in the spot where they have to tell someone 'no.' They don't want to be cast in the bad guy role. I have felt guilty before saying, 'no, I want it' for a piece I wasn't sure I was going to use, but I wanted to keep to figure out. I would have preferred not being in that position.
I agree with OP that taking the piece traded by accident wasn't cool. But if you are going to put people on the spot asking for their gear, be prepared for some to not like it.
To be clear, OP was not 'wrong' to ask and the other player was not 'wrong' to be annoyed by him asking. Sometimes we just have to accept that we are different.Varkal2112 wrote: »Lmao at people saying an addon reading public data provided by the client is "intrusive". I literally never link any gear, if anyone wants something bad enough they'll have the addon and pm me to ask for it. If someone is asking you something and you choose not to respond because you don't like the addons they're using, don't expect that person to group with you in the future. It's one thing not to understand them, and another to actively ignore them. In any case, when you're running a trial (especially something like sunspire, which is full of bis gear people most likely need), it is an *** move not to give people the loot you don't need. That's the simple truth of the matter
The whispering them about their gear is what feels intrusive. Feeling intrusive is a subjective experience.Edited by DaveMoeDee on December 9, 2019 6:16AM2 -
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The whispering them about their gear is what feels intrusive. Feeling intrusive is a subjective experience.
If you don't like receiving whispers, set it to offline. You aren't doing the trial alone, you are playing with 11 other people.
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✭I think I’d be pretty annoyed if someone whispered me out of the blue in the middle of a trial because they have an intrusive add-on installed...
If people want to share their loot, they’ll say so at the end of a run. You aren’t entitled to anyone’s drops, and people are under no obligation to share stuff with you if they’re not actively grinding for the piece you’re seeking. Many people don’t immediately NEED certain gear pieces, but will hang on to them, just in case.
This^
If someone /w about something I drop I just put him in ignore list.
I link at the end drop I don't need, that all.
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Ugh yeah, when people try to sell trial gear that they get, I call them out. Jerk move IMO. Anyway, many of them have said that they do it because others did it to them. Yes, that is a great way to "pay it forward" (or in this case "charge it forward" da dum tsh); revenge charging people who were 99.9% not the ones who charged you.
Though I did find it kind of amusing when someone got an AY dagger back when it was the BiS set and everyone and their mom needed a dagger and then proceeded to threaten to decon it if no one paid enough for it.
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And then there's all the players who don't really check their drops, or don't bother to link stuff - not because they want to keep it, or are unwilling to trade, but just they forget, or don't care unless asked - i.e. they assume you're using the addon, or prefer everyone is pestering the group for stuff at the start (and then promptly don't remember you asked for it at the end). And then there's the players who just drop out of the group - you never asked for the stuff, so they immediately assume you're not looking for it. Others will refuse to trade anything exactly if you asked at the beginning, just to make sure that someone is guaranteed to lose in any case.Alienoutlaw wrote: »personally i am more than happy to trade gear i dont need with pugs in trials or dungeons...
How am I supposed to find out which kind of jerk player you are?
You could stop thinking of your fellow players as ‘jerks’. Might be a start.
This entire thread is really about politeness and what constitutes politeness when asking for loot that you are seeking. And remembering that politeness is how others feel about our actions rather than how we feel.
Personally I’m very happy to share stuff if I don’t need it. But I won’t know what I’ve got or whether I need it until the end. I find it’s f*gg* rude of another player to look into my loot before I have, and really f***g** rude to whisper me about it. It’s as if they feel they have a right to have it and that their immediate, compelling need for it takes precedence of my game playing enjoyment. And it takes me out of the experience of doing the trial, dungeon or whatever. And it’s counter productive because I then deliberately won’t give it to them. I’d rather give it to someone else or decon it.
I get you are desperate for that Advancing Yakuda dagger, but the polite way to do it is to say “btw lf Advancing Yakuda weapons” at the start and see if anyone offers them at the end. And it’s perfectly acceptable to remind the group of that at the end. If no one offers you, then no one wants to trade.
Anything more than that is getting rude1
