Terrible Drop Rate for Dungeon Blueprints

Elara_Northwind

Holmarion19 wrote: »

Not sure what exactly you are referring to here Elara (love your homes and vids btw;)

If it's the "Elsweyr Platform Ancient Rectangular" then on EU yes, the plans are very expensive in Guild traders. If you only want a few items though then the actual furnishings, according to TTC, are being sold for between 14 and 25k each which does not seem unreasonable.

Thank you!

Yes, the item itself isn't crazily overpriced, unless you need allot of them, then it would get a little crazy It would be much nicer to be able to craft them, or even knowing somebody else who could craft them! I don't even know another person who has this plan on PC/EU, and I know allot of people

This plan is super rare on console too, which is where I know of somebody who bought the plan today for half a million gold, and this is cheap for that plan!

NolaArch

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

What are you referring to specifically? And how is it currently obtained? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a vet HM final boss drop any furnishing plans.

The furnishing plans are rarely obtained in containers in the new dungeons.

In that case hard mode would not affect their drop rate, since the game doesn’t even know if you plan to do HM until you get to the final boss. I’m not even sure Normal vs Vet affects the drops in most container types, just locked chests and boss drops AFAIK.

It does affect their drop rate, ZOS specifically said that it does.

I'm trying to understand here. What specifically did they say? Do the containers reset on activating HM? That seems a little wild. If that were the case, couldn't you port back to the beginning to loot containers without engaging the boss? Specifically, how did they say activating HM affected container loot? I'm genuinely curious.

Elara_Northwind

NolaArch wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

What are you referring to specifically? And how is it currently obtained? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a vet HM final boss drop any furnishing plans.

The furnishing plans are rarely obtained in containers in the new dungeons.

In that case hard mode would not affect their drop rate, since the game doesn’t even know if you plan to do HM until you get to the final boss. I’m not even sure Normal vs Vet affects the drops in most container types, just locked chests and boss drops AFAIK.

It does affect their drop rate, ZOS specifically said that it does.

I'm trying to understand here. What specifically did they say? Do the containers reset on activating HM? That seems a little wild. If that were the case, couldn't you port back to the beginning to loot containers without engaging the boss? Specifically, how did they say activating HM affected container loot? I'm genuinely curious.

No, I guess the boss must also have a chance to drop the plan, seeing as they definitely mentioned HM as well as vet when they talked about these furnishing drops. I'll see if I can find where it was posted.

Elara_Northwind

NolaArch wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

What are you referring to specifically? And how is it currently obtained? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a vet HM final boss drop any furnishing plans.

The furnishing plans are rarely obtained in containers in the new dungeons.

In that case hard mode would not affect their drop rate, since the game doesn’t even know if you plan to do HM until you get to the final boss. I’m not even sure Normal vs Vet affects the drops in most container types, just locked chests and boss drops AFAIK.

It does affect their drop rate, ZOS specifically said that it does.

I'm trying to understand here. What specifically did they say? Do the containers reset on activating HM? That seems a little wild. If that were the case, couldn't you port back to the beginning to loot containers without engaging the boss? Specifically, how did they say activating HM affected container loot? I'm genuinely curious.

I couldn't find the info from ZOS right now, it was in the patch notes though I think. Here is another thread about it though... https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/489695/new-scalebreaker-furnishing-plans-elsweyr-shrine-tower-can-anyone-make-them-yet

NolaArch

Thanks! That makes a lot more sense!

TheGreatBlackBear

Honestly raiding/running dungeons at the highedt level is expensive in terms of golding gear and potions. Rare plans/motifs are a nice way for raiders to make money. My guild sells VSS Hm carries to people can get the statue. They get their dragon we got gold for mats/pots. Everyone wins.

Saucy_Jack

As someone who knows all of the plans, but only got some of the rare ones (looking at you, dwarven/ayleid/elsweyr-dungeon purples) due to VERY INCREDIBLY SUPER-AWESOME FRIENDS AND DONORS, I can say that locking plans behind vet HM dungeons is a super kick-in-the-nuts move. I agree with the OP. If nothing-to-do-with-PVE top-tier furniture plans are locked behind what is essentially some of the highest-tier PVE content, then some nothing-to-do-with-RP top-tier PVE stuff should be locked behind highest-tier RP content.

LOCK THE BEST SETS BEHIND MASTER ANGLER!!!

Dusk_Coven

Masterpatula wrote: »

I think ZOS gets that the best activities for gold-making in this game fall outside high-end PVE and PVP, and so they want to put some ways into the game for these players to make some gold.

I actually think gold is too easily made in a multitude of ways so they HAVE to make new "rare" items too difficult to get. Otherwise a combination of existing buying power plus too much supply equals no rarity at all. No rarity then means no exclusivity and reduced demand, making it "just another item".

"best activities for gold-making" -- whether that means generating gold from nothing or moving it around players is probably much less important than trying to find gold sinks and remove gold from circulation.

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

LOCK THE BEST SETS BEHIND MASTER ANGLER!!!

Need more achievements for that then. Unless you mean you only need Master Angler once and you get everything...
Maybe a token system where you turn in such-and-such combination of purple fish for plans?
Sounds like a fishy plan to me but it could be possible.

TheNightflame

Farming furnishing plans is the only replayability dungeons have. everyone already gets motifs from the crown store. The best part is, if you wait, prices drop SUNUFICANTLY so just let ourself wait as opposed to thinking you are entitled to somethinf the day it's released

Sporvan

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

I don't even know another person who has this plan on PC/EU, and I know allot of people

Elara I can craft all the Scalebreaker dungeon plans if anyone needs help. @Sporvan on PC EU

xeha_arwen11

Wow. Lots of animosity responding. Not surprised, I guess.

Anyway, I do agree with you, original poster. I've done the hardmode and gotten a couple of plans, and I think it's irritating because this game is dying off and it's super hard to even find a group to do content that difficult. They can have plans be rare, but they should put them in other areas of the game that more people can access via hard work but not something that is just impossible for them to obtain.

I disagree with the trader greed comment. Some traders are greedy, that's for sure. However, some of the items they put in the store took a huge amount of work to obtain, and it isn't fair for them to just sell them cheap when they worked very hard to get the item.

As for people thinking rare items makes them better than others and increases their social status and worth, that's a disgusting and embarrassing thing to think. Jesus. It's a video game.

iris56

I'm almost positive they aren't locked behind vet (if I'm thinking of the right furnishings) My boyfriend looted one in a normal run of LoM for a guildie.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with if being locked behind a dungeon - as long as its normal. Most of the housing people will want to do those dungeons on normal anyway to unlock the house.

Edited because I accidentally hit post before I was done typing...

Elara_Northwind

Sporvan wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

I don't even know another person who has this plan on PC/EU, and I know allot of people

Elara I can craft all the Scalebreaker dungeon plans if anyone needs help. @Sporvan on PC EU

That is incredibly kind of you @Sporvan thank you

VaranisArano

I'm struggling a bit with the idea that, roughly paraphrased, Housing stuff should only be included in the types of content most Housing players can do. Judging by this and past threads I've seen, Housing stuff should be kept out of PVP, Vet Dungeons, and Trials.

A. That's not really how ZOS does things. They like to spread out different types of rewards so players have incentive to try all kinds of content, especially their brand new content. That's real obvious with cosmetics like motifs, style pages, Housing, and event tickets. If you want all the rewards, ZOS will make you play all of the game.

B. Housing is for all players. Players who PVP, who run Vet Dungeons, and Trials have houses too and deserve to benefit from the rewards. No matter what the rewards, "casual" players who can't complete the content have always had to do without, pay ZOS, or pay gold to get it from players. (Example: the Factotum polymorphs)


So I'm really struggling with the idea, again very roughly paraphrasing, that the Housing Community is a bunch of casuals who interact with the game casually and so they should be able to get all the furnishings in game by doing casual content because they spend lots of money on Housing. That's just not how ESO operates. If you want all the rewards, ZOS wants you to play all of the game.

(For the "but Master Angler!" folks, I've done that. Wanting those fish was what started me on the road to playing PVP regularly, even though I started off hating the idea of PVP.)

Dojohoda

Like the motifs that required grinding and were justifiably expensive, perhaps hard-to-get furnishing plans will show up in event boxes in the future.

WrathOfInnos

@Elara_Northwind You’re correct, they are affected by HM because they drop from the final boss. I just found the quote in the 5.1.5 patch notes:

“Furnishings
There are 4 new achievement furnishings available from the Undaunted Quartermaster based on Scalebreaker accomplishments. Final boss kills in Lair of Maarselok or Moongrave Fane also have a chance to drop one of six new furnishing recipes, teaching you how to craft several shrines and floors from the ancient ruins scattered around Elsweyr. These can drop at any difficulty, but are more likely to appear in Veteran Hard Mode clears of Grundwulf or Maarselok”

They must be very rare drops. I’ve done both those dungeons several times on vet and HM and have not seen any of them.

Grimm13

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

...snip...

Would you lock a new rare weapon behind a housing or (I know they don't exist but) a roleplaying achievement? Would you introduce a new epic set which can only be obtained through fishing, but also so rare that you would need to fish for days to get one piece? It's almost like ZOS don't seem to realise that there are a huge amount of different players who play this game, not everybody is into the same thing, which is what makes this game so wonderfully diverse in the first place. Why make these plans so rare, and why lock them (or the most chance to get them) behind vet hm dungeons, when the majority of the people who want to use these plans don't do vet, or in some cases even normal dungeons, because they physically feel like they can't.

...snip...

You are so correct that not everyone is into the same thing. I see here that ZOS is spreading out where you can find some plans in various parts of the game. This gives a range of people into different things the chance to acquire something rare that they can collect, sale or trade. With diversity of play come diversity of rewards.

spartaxoxo

Which plans are these?

Elara_Northwind

iris56 wrote: »

I'm almost positive they aren't locked behind vet (if I'm thinking of the right furnishings) My boyfriend looted one in a normal run of LoM for a guildie.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with if being locked behind a dungeon - as long as its normal. Most of the housing people will want to do those dungeons on normal anyway to unlock the house.

Edited because I accidentally hit post before I was done typing...

There is a chance to get it on normal, but it's much lower than even on vet where it's almost impossible! So you were not just lucky but like crazy lucky! Haha! Congrats though! I'm glad you found it

Elara_Northwind

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm struggling a bit with the idea that, roughly paraphrased, Housing stuff should only be included in the types of content most Housing players can do. Judging by this and past threads I've seen, Housing stuff should be kept out of PVP, Vet Dungeons, and Trials.

A. That's not really how ZOS does things. They like to spread out different types of rewards so players have incentive to try all kinds of content, especially their brand new content. That's real obvious with cosmetics like motifs, style pages, Housing, and event tickets. If you want all the rewards, ZOS will make you play all of the game.

B. Housing is for all players. Players who PVP, who run Vet Dungeons, and Trials have houses too and deserve to benefit from the rewards. No matter what the rewards, "casual" players who can't complete the content have always had to do without, pay ZOS, or pay gold to get it from players. (Example: the Factotum polymorphs)


So I'm really struggling with the idea, again very roughly paraphrasing, that the Housing Community is a bunch of casuals who interact with the game casually and so they should be able to get all the furnishings in game by doing casual content because they spend lots of money on Housing. That's just not how ESO operates. If you want all the rewards, ZOS wants you to play all of the game.

(For the "but Master Angler!" folks, I've done that. Wanting those fish was what started me on the road to playing PVP regularly, even though I started off hating the idea of PVP.)

What I am saying is that this particular furnishing is an important one for building, and that it should be just as easily obtained on normal as it is on vet, nothing more. As I stated before, many housing people are also very into pvp or pve, myself included, I used to pvp every single day and have most of those achievements, including the throne, and I agree that those items should be just for the achievements, this is not an achievement item though, it is an unnecessarily rare platform, not even fancy, a plain old platform, which ZOS has conveniently put on the crown store for almost 600 crowns a piece.

Elara_Northwind

Grimm13 wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

...snip...

Would you lock a new rare weapon behind a housing or (I know they don't exist but) a roleplaying achievement? Would you introduce a new epic set which can only be obtained through fishing, but also so rare that you would need to fish for days to get one piece? It's almost like ZOS don't seem to realise that there are a huge amount of different players who play this game, not everybody is into the same thing, which is what makes this game so wonderfully diverse in the first place. Why make these plans so rare, and why lock them (or the most chance to get them) behind vet hm dungeons, when the majority of the people who want to use these plans don't do vet, or in some cases even normal dungeons, because they physically feel like they can't.

...snip...

You are so correct that not everyone is into the same thing. I see here that ZOS is spreading out where you can find some plans in various parts of the game. This gives a range of people into different things the chance to acquire something rare that they can collect, sale or trade. With diversity of play come diversity of rewards.

I agree with you that people should try new things, variety is the spice of life, but at the same time some players who aren't into that sort of gameplay can't complete the dungeon on vet, they can barely complete it on normal, so why can't ZOS just allow the drop rate for this very plain ordinary platform, which is also available on the crown store, it's not like it is an achievement item, be just as obtainable on normal as it is on vet? Because they want their numbers to look better whilst people farm for gold, or they want people to spend more money on crowns when they need this item? Or maybe it is a mixture of both. I very much doubt that ZOS care about people enjoying experiencing different parts of the game. They care about money and figures, and this plan being locked mostly behind vet hm gives them just that.

VaranisArano

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Elara_Northwind wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm struggling a bit with the idea that, roughly paraphrased, Housing stuff should only be included in the types of content most Housing players can do. Judging by this and past threads I've seen, Housing stuff should be kept out of PVP, Vet Dungeons, and Trials.

A. That's not really how ZOS does things. They like to spread out different types of rewards so players have incentive to try all kinds of content, especially their brand new content. That's real obvious with cosmetics like motifs, style pages, Housing, and event tickets. If you want all the rewards, ZOS will make you play all of the game.

B. Housing is for all players. Players who PVP, who run Vet Dungeons, and Trials have houses too and deserve to benefit from the rewards. No matter what the rewards, "casual" players who can't complete the content have always had to do without, pay ZOS, or pay gold to get it from players. (Example: the Factotum polymorphs)


So I'm really struggling with the idea, again very roughly paraphrasing, that the Housing Community is a bunch of casuals who interact with the game casually and so they should be able to get all the furnishings in game by doing casual content because they spend lots of money on Housing. That's just not how ESO operates. If you want all the rewards, ZOS wants you to play all of the game.

(For the "but Master Angler!" folks, I've done that. Wanting those fish was what started me on the road to playing PVP regularly, even though I started off hating the idea of PVP.)

What I am saying is that this particular furnishing is an important one for building, and that it should be just as easily obtained on normal as it is on vet, nothing more. As I stated before, many housing people are also very into pvp or pve, myself included, I used to pvp every single day and have most of those achievements, including the throne, and I agree that those items should be just for the achievements, this is not an achievement item though, it is an unnecessarily rare platform, not even fancy, a plain old platform, which ZOS has conveniently put on the crown store for almost 600 crowns a piece.

I get that. Like I said, I was responding more to the general gist of some housing threads I've seen talking about locking housing stuff behind hard content that Housing players don't want to do.

I'm sympathetic to the complaints about super low drop rates. That's something ZOS could easily change to alleviate the frustration, and while it would make the item less rare, that's not necessarily a bad thing and might even drive more players to do the dungeons if they had reason to expect it to not be a hopeless grind.

markulrich1966

on xbox EU I have seen exactly ONE of the new blueprints (Shrine, multilevel) in guildstores, and bought it.

For the tower (not blueprint, but furnishing), I have seen 1 offer in guildstores.

For the purple shrine 2 or 3 sellers, 2 of them with unreasonable prices.

The small shrine is more common and affordable.

The rectangular platform is sold by 5 to 10 people. Price is ok if you plan no larger buildings. As I actually need 60 blocks, we talk about more than a million though, so I contacted a seller directly for a cheaper mass-deal.


As I am a very active seller (>100k a day), I often visit guildstores to look for ingredients, and although I might have missed a few offers, the above description shows, that these items are extremely rare.

Now we have other rare furnishings too, like enchanted redguard brazier. But those are indeed special items, while a PLATFORM is a very common part, that should not be rare. Same for the shrines and towers, that are currently more like average parts to fill large spaces like moonsugar meadow.

So in my opinion, the rarity and hiding behind vet content is just another sign, that the current team loses the sight for the openworld explorer players, as it just happened too by nerfing rapid manoever.

I meanwhile think daily back to the good old Fallot4 times, with an editor that was comfortable in comparison to ESO, and my creativity was hindered much less by endless grinding (crafting skills, mats, gold) like in ESO. Guess I will give Fallout 76 a try to see, if the openworld aspect there meets more my expectations. Which is a pity, as I also often enjoy to craft and decorate in ESO.

The only reason I could do compounds like the pyramid and temple in moonsugar meadow is, that I spend 8 hours daily in the game (more at weekends). Meanwhile I feel powered out and think I will not be able to continue like this.

spartaxoxo

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm struggling a bit with the idea that, roughly paraphrased, Housing stuff should only be included in the types of content most Housing players can do. Judging by this and past threads I've seen, Housing stuff should be kept out of PVP, Vet Dungeons, and Trials.

A. That's not really how ZOS does things. They like to spread out different types of rewards so players have incentive to try all kinds of content, especially their brand new content. That's real obvious with cosmetics like motifs, style pages, Housing, and event tickets. If you want all the rewards, ZOS will make you play all of the game.

B. Housing is for all players. Players who PVP, who run Vet Dungeons, and Trials have houses too and deserve to benefit from the rewards. No matter what the rewards, "casual" players who can't complete the content have always had to do without, pay ZOS, or pay gold to get it from players. (Example: the Factotum polymorphs)


So I'm really struggling with the idea, again very roughly paraphrasing, that the Housing Community is a bunch of casuals who interact with the game casually and so they should be able to get all the furnishings in game by doing casual content because they spend lots of money on Housing. That's just not how ESO operates. If you want all the rewards, ZOS wants you to play all of the game.

(For the "but Master Angler!" folks, I've done that. Wanting those fish was what started me on the road to playing PVP regularly, even though I started off hating the idea of PVP.)

What I am saying is that this particular furnishing is an important one for building, and that it should be just as easily obtained on normal as it is on vet, nothing more. As I stated before, many housing people are also very into pvp or pve, myself included, I used to pvp every single day and have most of those achievements, including the throne, and I agree that those items should be just for the achievements, this is not an achievement item though, it is an unnecessarily rare platform, not even fancy, a plain old platform, which ZOS has conveniently put on the crown store for almost 600 crowns a piece.

WHICH platform?

Elara_Northwind

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm struggling a bit with the idea that, roughly paraphrased, Housing stuff should only be included in the types of content most Housing players can do. Judging by this and past threads I've seen, Housing stuff should be kept out of PVP, Vet Dungeons, and Trials.

A. That's not really how ZOS does things. They like to spread out different types of rewards so players have incentive to try all kinds of content, especially their brand new content. That's real obvious with cosmetics like motifs, style pages, Housing, and event tickets. If you want all the rewards, ZOS will make you play all of the game.

B. Housing is for all players. Players who PVP, who run Vet Dungeons, and Trials have houses too and deserve to benefit from the rewards. No matter what the rewards, "casual" players who can't complete the content have always had to do without, pay ZOS, or pay gold to get it from players. (Example: the Factotum polymorphs)


So I'm really struggling with the idea, again very roughly paraphrasing, that the Housing Community is a bunch of casuals who interact with the game casually and so they should be able to get all the furnishings in game by doing casual content because they spend lots of money on Housing. That's just not how ESO operates. If you want all the rewards, ZOS wants you to play all of the game.

(For the "but Master Angler!" folks, I've done that. Wanting those fish was what started me on the road to playing PVP regularly, even though I started off hating the idea of PVP.)

What I am saying is that this particular furnishing is an important one for building, and that it should be just as easily obtained on normal as it is on vet, nothing more. As I stated before, many housing people are also very into pvp or pve, myself included, I used to pvp every single day and have most of those achievements, including the throne, and I agree that those items should be just for the achievements, this is not an achievement item though, it is an unnecessarily rare platform, not even fancy, a plain old platform, which ZOS has conveniently put on the crown store for almost 600 crowns a piece.

WHICH platform?

https://eso-housing.com/furniture/elsweyr-platform-ancient-rectangular

Elara_Northwind

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm struggling a bit with the idea that, roughly paraphrased, Housing stuff should only be included in the types of content most Housing players can do. Judging by this and past threads I've seen, Housing stuff should be kept out of PVP, Vet Dungeons, and Trials.

A. That's not really how ZOS does things. They like to spread out different types of rewards so players have incentive to try all kinds of content, especially their brand new content. That's real obvious with cosmetics like motifs, style pages, Housing, and event tickets. If you want all the rewards, ZOS will make you play all of the game.

B. Housing is for all players. Players who PVP, who run Vet Dungeons, and Trials have houses too and deserve to benefit from the rewards. No matter what the rewards, "casual" players who can't complete the content have always had to do without, pay ZOS, or pay gold to get it from players. (Example: the Factotum polymorphs)


So I'm really struggling with the idea, again very roughly paraphrasing, that the Housing Community is a bunch of casuals who interact with the game casually and so they should be able to get all the furnishings in game by doing casual content because they spend lots of money on Housing. That's just not how ESO operates. If you want all the rewards, ZOS wants you to play all of the game.

(For the "but Master Angler!" folks, I've done that. Wanting those fish was what started me on the road to playing PVP regularly, even though I started off hating the idea of PVP.)

What I am saying is that this particular furnishing is an important one for building, and that it should be just as easily obtained on normal as it is on vet, nothing more. As I stated before, many housing people are also very into pvp or pve, myself included, I used to pvp every single day and have most of those achievements, including the throne, and I agree that those items should be just for the achievements, this is not an achievement item though, it is an unnecessarily rare platform, not even fancy, a plain old platform, which ZOS has conveniently put on the crown store for almost 600 crowns a piece.

WHICH platform?

But also a few other general structural furnishings, I think there are 8 of them altogether.

spartaxoxo

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm struggling a bit with the idea that, roughly paraphrased, Housing stuff should only be included in the types of content most Housing players can do. Judging by this and past threads I've seen, Housing stuff should be kept out of PVP, Vet Dungeons, and Trials.

A. That's not really how ZOS does things. They like to spread out different types of rewards so players have incentive to try all kinds of content, especially their brand new content. That's real obvious with cosmetics like motifs, style pages, Housing, and event tickets. If you want all the rewards, ZOS will make you play all of the game.

B. Housing is for all players. Players who PVP, who run Vet Dungeons, and Trials have houses too and deserve to benefit from the rewards. No matter what the rewards, "casual" players who can't complete the content have always had to do without, pay ZOS, or pay gold to get it from players. (Example: the Factotum polymorphs)


So I'm really struggling with the idea, again very roughly paraphrasing, that the Housing Community is a bunch of casuals who interact with the game casually and so they should be able to get all the furnishings in game by doing casual content because they spend lots of money on Housing. That's just not how ESO operates. If you want all the rewards, ZOS wants you to play all of the game.

(For the "but Master Angler!" folks, I've done that. Wanting those fish was what started me on the road to playing PVP regularly, even though I started off hating the idea of PVP.)

What I am saying is that this particular furnishing is an important one for building, and that it should be just as easily obtained on normal as it is on vet, nothing more. As I stated before, many housing people are also very into pvp or pve, myself included, I used to pvp every single day and have most of those achievements, including the throne, and I agree that those items should be just for the achievements, this is not an achievement item though, it is an unnecessarily rare platform, not even fancy, a plain old platform, which ZOS has conveniently put on the crown store for almost 600 crowns a piece.

WHICH platform?

But also a few other general structural furnishings, I think there are 8 of them altogether.

Okay. Thanks for the info. I agree these should be better drop rate..

MehrunesFlagon

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

Blaqmagik wrote: »

Almost as bad as me having to complete pve content in order to be able to competently compete in pvp. You'll be alright

Haha! Yes, we were talking about that too! Before housing, all I did in this game was pvp, and it was annoying having to farm dungeons, but at least I was able to do them. Some of these people literally have never even done a dungeon before, let alone a vet HM one. Again, I'm not talking about all housing people here, but many do only play the game for the housing aspect.

I agree though, they should probably make the best sets for pvp only available in pvp and same for pve, it would make people much happier

If you want hard or near impossible to get,you should look at The Yolo and Lokke statues and what they require to purchase.They require HM on those two dragon vSS.Also those things are bind on pick up,so no buying one from people that can clear either.

markulrich1966

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

Blaqmagik wrote: »

Almost as bad as me having to complete pve content in order to be able to competently compete in pvp. You'll be alright

Haha! Yes, we were talking about that too! Before housing, all I did in this game was pvp, and it was annoying having to farm dungeons, but at least I was able to do them. Some of these people literally have never even done a dungeon before, let alone a vet HM one. Again, I'm not talking about all housing people here, but many do only play the game for the housing aspect.

I agree though, they should probably make the best sets for pvp only available in pvp and same for pve, it would make people much happier

If you want hard or near impossible to get,you should look at The Yolo and Lokke statues and what they require to purchase.They require HM on those two dragon vSS.Also those things are bind on pick up,so no buying one from people that can clear either.

those are achievement furnishings, not standard parts.

Elara_Northwind

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

Blaqmagik wrote: »

Almost as bad as me having to complete pve content in order to be able to competently compete in pvp. You'll be alright

Haha! Yes, we were talking about that too! Before housing, all I did in this game was pvp, and it was annoying having to farm dungeons, but at least I was able to do them. Some of these people literally have never even done a dungeon before, let alone a vet HM one. Again, I'm not talking about all housing people here, but many do only play the game for the housing aspect.

I agree though, they should probably make the best sets for pvp only available in pvp and same for pve, it would make people much happier

If you want hard or near impossible to get,you should look at The Yolo and Lokke statues and what they require to purchase.They require HM on those two dragon vSS.Also those things are bind on pick up,so no buying one from people that can clear either.

Yes, those are difficult to obtain but are achievement furnishings, which should be. This is not an achievement furnishing, it is a very basic platform which is farmable (or should be) and is available to buy with crowns.