this combination shouldnt be allowed to happen

Casterial

Fun fact, warden has 19 self buffs in the game. I believe there's only 21-25.

SidraWillowsky

June 2017: Warden class released.

December 2017: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

December 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2019: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

September 2019: "WARDEN CLASS GIVEN POTENTIAL BUFF THAT MAY MAKE ME DIE IN PVP... WARDEN CLASS PROBLEMATIC!!! NERF WARDEN!!!!"

How about instead of noting the fact that Warden has all of these buffs (we've had most of them before this patch and no one said a thing or cares, so I'm not sure why people are acting like this is surprising new information... the fact that you IDND'T KNOW should speak volumes about previous class performance) and crying for nerfs you all ASK FOR YOUR OWN CLASS TO BE BUFFED.

I play mostly PvE and main a MAGDEN. The class has been "LOL"ed at in the past and people have called it "meme status" because it had a reputation for being so terrible. So it's really, REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY annoying that ZOS is finally starting to pay some attention to the class and people are instantaneously whining about stuff. How about instead of taking the time to find reasons to nerf Wardens, you use that time to figure out ways that ZOS could buff your own class? Stop ruining things for other classes.

bearbelly

Glory wrote: »

I think the conversation should be more directed at how strong this set is.

Yes.
Let them do something about the set, which is a PvP set, and not do something to a class that has been ridiculed since its launch that will keep it from finally having something to feel somewhat decent about with regard to PvE.
(i.e., stop punishing PvE for something that is a PvP issue.)

Runkorko

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

June 2017: Warden class released.

December 2017: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

December 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2019: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

September 2019: "WARDEN CLASS GIVEN POTENTIAL BUFF THAT MAY MAKE ME DIE IN PVP... WARDEN CLASS PROBLEMATIC!!! NERF WARDEN!!!!"

How about instead of noting the fact that Warden has all of these buffs (we've had most of them before this patch and no one said a thing or cares, so I'm not sure why people are acting like this is surprising new information... the fact that you IDND'T KNOW should speak volumes about previous class performance) and crying for nerfs you all ASK FOR YOUR OWN CLASS TO BE BUFFED.

I play mostly PvE and main a MAGDEN. The class has been "LOL"ed at in the past and people have called it "meme status" because it had a reputation for being so terrible. So it's really, REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY annoying that ZOS is finally starting to pay some attention to the class and people are instantaneously whining about stuff. How about instead of taking the time to find reasons to nerf Wardens, you use that time to figure out ways that ZOS could buff your own class? Stop ruining things for other classes.

Betty Netch:
This ability and its morphs now grant Major Brutality and Sorcery at base, but the base ability no longer restores Magicka every second while active.
These abilities now remove 1 negative effect from you every 5 seconds.
Reduced the duration to 19 seconds from 22 seconds on the base ability.
Blue Betty Netch (morph):
This morph reinstates the Magicka restore functionality.
Reduced the final duration to 25 seconds, down from 27 seconds.
Bull Netch (morph):
This morph reinstates the Stamina restore functionality.
Reduced the final duration to 25 seconds, down from 27 seconds

cost nothing
give both major brutality and sorcery/ which is helpfull even now even if you are not hibrid build. and i think zos go in that direction judging from sets we get in new patch.
giving stamina or magica recovery
AUOTO!!! dispel every 5 seconds / both morphs/ meaning you get dispel even if you are cotroled/you forget to press it/ or you are away from keyboard.
all what zos need to do is to remove auoto dispel. make it dispel on recast, then is fine.
skill is buffed enough. i dont see reason to overpower it.
and this aouto cleanse with combination with some sets/ as you can see/ will make the class very powerfull in pvp. compared to other classes.
isnt a balance you want? or just to jump around on overpowered broken class?
and if you play pve mostly i dont see why are you concerned at all. it wont affect you anyway

bearbelly wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

I think the conversation should be more directed at how strong this set is.

Yes.
Let them do something about the set, which is a PvP set, and not do something to a class that has been ridiculed since its launch that will keep it from finally having something to feel somewhat decent about with regard to PvE.
(i.e., stop punishing PvE for something that is a PvP issue.)

We all know that netch is very usefull skill for magica builds and dont need buff. They do give dispell to stamina builds which is ok.
But auto dispel is way above normal buff, even if they make Betty cost resource.

So your suggestion is to ruin the set for all other classes just because ZoS need to remove the NOT needed auoto cast part.
Do you have a problem to cast it to dispel your negative effects?
I didnt see such problem posted on forums before.
Let most class in ruins and in the same time overbuff one (only because some devs may like it -reread MAY) is not a good move.
We all have wardens, so we all can get benefit of this change, but this is not the way.

Sahidom

Someone else caught onto the skill/gear combo; Yeah, 30% damage reduction is pretty sweet when the removal includes status effects (burning, chill, concussion, etc.), bleeds and DOTS, snares, stuns, and more... For the over-the-top, pair the set up with Iron Blood or Pirate Skeleton monster helm, and you have one tough Warden.

Edited: Or use Knightmare for an AOE minor maim and reduce incoming damage by another 15% factor.

Huyen

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

It mus be adresed, atleast If we want balanced game
Yes i do have warden, yes i can just keep silence and just use broken armor/skill combo when patch hits live.
And no, i dont like it.(the combo)
On pts atm warden is on better spot (imo) than most classes, and last thing i wana see every 5 second is to have nearly OP class with 30% FREE dmg reduction.
Netch cost nothing to cast/ and literaly auoto dispel one negative efect every 5 sec in pvp- free set proc with no efforts every 10 sec for 5 sec duration)
Opinions?

Funfact: half of the betty netch change is already live: both morphs give both brutality and sorcery.

Runkorko

Huyen wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

It mus be adresed, atleast If we want balanced game
Yes i do have warden, yes i can just keep silence and just use broken armor/skill combo when patch hits live.
And no, i dont like it.(the combo)
On pts atm warden is on better spot (imo) than most classes, and last thing i wana see every 5 second is to have nearly OP class with 30% FREE dmg reduction.
Netch cost nothing to cast/ and literaly auoto dispel one negative efect every 5 sec in pvp- free set proc with no efforts every 10 sec for 5 sec duration)
Opinions?

Funfact: half of the betty netch change is already live: both morphs give both brutality and sorcery.

True, and giving dispel to stam warden is enough of a buff.
Stil in live you cant dispel yourself / and grant 30% dmg reduce/ when silenced/stuned/feared.
Aouto part should go.
Dont pretend you dont see the problem:)
And no they give sorcery OR brutality

https://imgur.com/y9L3aUI

For some stam builds in pvp, macika recovery is the weak part.
Giving watden to choose what resource to FREE regen and still keep both sorcery and brutality is way overbuffed but i dont mind.
As i said, the problem is that auoto dispell.

NinchiTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5RtlpXsl8k[/url]

memes aside good catch OP

hasi

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

June 2017: Warden class released.

December 2017: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

December 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2019: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

Warden was the BiS Healer along with Templar for a long time, besides very few Raids, where Sorcerer would "outperform" or the Warden would be played as Tank.

It has a good group Utility and the awesome Health Buff, which was pretty much needed everywhere after Warhorn got nerfed a Year ago.

In Elsweyr and Scalebreaker both Mag and StamWarden were pretty decent, not top DPS but really close with the 2nd best DPS Class pretty much. Can't really remember how they performed about a Year ago, but they surely performed better than DK for a long time. Besides Morrowind, there I remember NBs and DKs still being good.

In PvP I personally saw few, but usually the People I saw playing Warden there were pretty OP. And I don't mean the Permafrost Groups...😉

Mayrael

Who wants to bet it will go live unchanged?

Sergykid

stop it everyone, it's shameful, seriously.

anyone can have 100% uptime on that set with a purge, templar also has on demand purge and can hold 100% uptime of that set.

in pvp you will have all the time dots and debuffs to cleanse. One every 5 sec is both underwhelming and a welcome change, so i would call it good balanced. It cleanses JUST ONE and you will always have at least 3.

/tc

Runkorko

Mayrael wrote: »

Who wants to bet it will go live unchanged?

I dont like to lose ...

Mettaricana

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

It mus be adresed, atleast If we want balanced game
Yes i do have warden, yes i can just keep silence and just use broken armor/skill combo when patch hits live.
And no, i dont like it.(the combo)
On pts atm warden is on better spot (imo) than most classes, and last thing i wana see every 5 second is to have nearly OP class with 30% FREE dmg reduction.
Netch cost nothing to cast/ and literaly auoto dispel one negative efect every 5 sec in pvp- free set proc with no efforts every 10 sec for 5 sec duration)
Opinions?

God help you have to apply a negative effect more than once... or counter play a little harder than spamming dizzying or snipe to win against the most lack luster class since the conception of the game.

Runkorko

Sergykid wrote: »

stop it everyone, it's shameful, seriously.

anyone can have 100% uptime on that set with a purge, templar also has on demand purge and can hold 100% uptime of that set.

in pvp you will have all the time dots and debuffs to cleanse. One every 5 sec is both underwhelming and a welcome change, so i would call it good balanced. It cleanses JUST ONE and you will always have at least 3.

/tc

No one get that from you. You can stil have your 100% of the set, IF you resummon your betty.
Not get it auoto for free...

hasi

Sergykid wrote: »

stop it everyone, it's shameful, seriously.

anyone can have 100% uptime on that set with a purge, templar also has on demand purge and can hold 100% uptime of that set.

in pvp you will have all the time dots and debuffs to cleanse. One every 5 sec is both underwhelming and a welcome change, so i would call it good balanced. It cleanses JUST ONE and you will always have at least 3.

/tc

Yes, but Templars have to spend Magicka to make use of it, Wardens nothing.

5 sec isn't underwhelming, you have to conside having the DMG Reduction Buff up from Steadfast, so you can pretty much not care about the one other negative effect. Especially when you are Healing.

In hot Situations it might be a bit trickier.

Cerotonin

Test the set and tell us how it goes.

Runkorko

CeroSerotonin wrote: »

Test the set and tell us how it goes.

will make video later
dinner call

InvictusApollo

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

It mus be adresed, atleast If we want balanced game
Yes i do have warden, yes i can just keep silence and just use broken armor/skill combo when patch hits live.
And no, i dont like it.(the combo)
On pts atm warden is on better spot (imo) than most classes, and last thing i wana see every 5 second is to have nearly OP class with 30% FREE dmg reduction.
Netch cost nothing to cast/ and literaly auoto dispel one negative efect every 5 sec in pvp- free set proc with no efforts every 10 sec for 5 sec duration)
Opinions?

Think about this way: you can't choose when to get that Major Protection. Before you could use netch to activate Major Protection whenever you were getting a lot of damage. Now you can't. If you get lucky, you will have it when your enemy decides to rain deeath upon you. And if you get unlucky you won't have it then. This is actually a huge drawback for skilled players.
The only pro of this combo is that you save one GCD.

jadarock

I can already see where this is going...Why would it not surprise me if they give warden all the benefits of using that set with no drawbacks then turned around and nerf steadfast to the ground the following patch.
I use this set on my troll-cro but it costs me HEALTH to proc it smh zos

I dont see many using it now but itll become warden meta if this goes live.
If you're on xbox na in cyrodiil you should know who I am at this point 😉

Daemonai

I'm confused. Is there something about the interaction between Netch and Steadfast that increases the duration of Major Protection granted by Steadfast?

Because if not, the set will still only confer 5 secs of Major Protection every 10 secs to the user. That goes the same whether a Templar or Necromancer uses the set, or a Warden.

I don't see the issue.

TheGreatBlackBear

Threads like this is the reason why many PVErs despise PVPers.

Wolfpaw

I really dislike the Netch.

The animation is annoying & drags behind my toon when sprinting, going around a corner, lag, terrain change, etc...
Pts version clears some of the netch spam for a nerf ,& another skill taking up a spot that is pressed 2x a minute.

I wouldn't be heartbroken to see m.sorcery applied somewhere else, & netch scrapped.

Nirnroot420

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

June 2017: Warden class released.

December 2017: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

December 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2019: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

September 2019: "WARDEN CLASS GIVEN POTENTIAL BUFF THAT MAY MAKE ME DIE IN PVP... WARDEN CLASS PROBLEMATIC!!! NERF WARDEN!!!!"

How about instead of noting the fact that Warden has all of these buffs (we've had most of them before this patch and no one said a thing or cares, so I'm not sure why people are acting like this is surprising new information... the fact that you IDND'T KNOW should speak volumes about previous class performance) and crying for nerfs you all ASK FOR YOUR OWN CLASS TO BE BUFFED.

I play mostly PvE and main a MAGDEN. The class has been "LOL"ed at in the past and people have called it "meme status" because it had a reputation for being so terrible. So it's really, REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY annoying that ZOS is finally starting to pay some attention to the class and people are instantaneously whining about stuff. How about instead of taking the time to find reasons to nerf Wardens, you use that time to figure out ways that ZOS could buff your own class? Stop ruining things for other classes.

Somebody's never played PvP.

Runkorko

InvictusApollo wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

It mus be adresed, atleast If we want balanced game
Yes i do have warden, yes i can just keep silence and just use broken armor/skill combo when patch hits live.
And no, i dont like it.(the combo)
On pts atm warden is on better spot (imo) than most classes, and last thing i wana see every 5 second is to have nearly OP class with 30% FREE dmg reduction.
Netch cost nothing to cast/ and literaly auoto dispel one negative efect every 5 sec in pvp- free set proc with no efforts every 10 sec for 5 sec duration)
Opinions?

Think about this way: you can't choose when to get that Major Protection. Before you could use netch to activate Major Protection whenever you were getting a lot of damage. Now you can't. If you get lucky, you will have it when your enemy decides to rain deeath upon you. And if you get unlucky you won't have it then. This is actually a huge drawback for skilled players.
The only pro of this combo is that you save one GCD.

Agree, but still give you 100% uptime with no effords from your side.
Even without set combo skill need to be reversed back to "ON summon"

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Threads like this is why many PVErs dispise PVPers.

Guess you are one of them?
Then tell me how reverting back Betty to "remove one negative efect when summoned" affect you as pve player??

Daemonai wrote: »

I'm confused. Is there something about the interaction between Netch and Steadfast that increases the duration of Major Protection granted by Steadfast?

Because if not, the set will still only confer 5 secs of Major Protection every 10 secs to the user. That goes the same whether a Templar or Necromancer uses the set, or a Warden.

I don't see the issue.

As templar or necro you need to be able to cast "purge" to active the set.
Not my foult that you cant see the problem

chrightt

jaws343 wrote: »

The set isn't really that great as it is. Considering every purge effect skill currently requires activation to initiate. Having a passive purge effect is the anomaly here, not the set.

Precisely this. Warden’s new skill is based off a 5s interval, meaning passive full up time for steadfast hero once per two purges.

Steadfast hero isn’t OP because it is hard to manually make sure you get the full value. Even proccing it once per 12s average, which is far more realistic, diminishes the value of the set by quite a lot. Especially with the nerf for fortified brass, steadfast hero is definitely BiS for wardens if they want a defensive option.

ChunkyCat

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

June 2017: Warden class released.

December 2017: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

December 2018: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

June 2019: Warden class is bland, weak, lackluster, and adds little to no group functionality. Few comment or even care that the class is underperforming.

https://youtu.be/M0nV8Eo0oFI

Original video published July 2017.

Ahhh, the good ol’ days.

olsborg

Change the set to «when you actively purge» and this issue isnt...an issue.

zaria

Its extremely scary to see fools screaming for more nerfs then we have an extinction level event coming in.

Fools who don't understand that asking ZoS for nerfs is like asking for close in air support from the death star.

Yes they remove it from warden then nerf other classes as much or more to balance it.
The dot nerf was an player request, yes I agree they went a bit to far and also nerfed AoE to much. Single target dots are very strong in PvP but not so much in PvE outside of some bosses.
---
I want an mod who links forum accounts who did nerf requests with players in game.
This would be an very nice tool who would be very nice then people ask for gear.

jadarock

zaria wrote: »

Its extremely scary to see fools screaming for more nerfs then we have an extinction level event coming in.

Fools who don't understand that asking ZoS for nerfs is like asking for close in air support from the death star.

Yes they remove it from warden then nerf other classes as much or more to balance it.
The dot nerf was an player request, yes I agree they went a bit to far and also nerfed AoE to much. Single target dots are very strong in PvP but not so much in PvE outside of some bosses.
---
I want an mod who links forum accounts who did nerf requests with players in game.
This would be an very nice tool who would be very nice then people ask for gear.

I'm trying to understand what pts would be for ...
Smh that's an ignorant take bud

Huyen

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

It mus be adresed, atleast If we want balanced game
Yes i do have warden, yes i can just keep silence and just use broken armor/skill combo when patch hits live.
And no, i dont like it.(the combo)
On pts atm warden is on better spot (imo) than most classes, and last thing i wana see every 5 second is to have nearly OP class with 30% FREE dmg reduction.
Netch cost nothing to cast/ and literaly auoto dispel one negative efect every 5 sec in pvp- free set proc with no efforts every 10 sec for 5 sec duration)
Opinions?

Funfact: half of the betty netch change is already live: both morphs give both brutality and sorcery.

True, and giving dispel to stam warden is enough of a buff.
Stil in live you cant dispel yourself / and grant 30% dmg reduce/ when silenced/stuned/feared.
Aouto part should go.
Dont pretend you dont see the problem:)
And no they give sorcery OR brutality

https://imgur.com/y9L3aUI

For some stam builds in pvp, macika recovery is the weak part.
Giving watden to choose what resource to FREE regen and still keep both sorcery and brutality is way overbuffed but i dont mind.
As i said, the problem is that auoto dispell.

The stam morph gives both sorcery and brutality tho. And Wardens in general lack alot of stuff that they try to fix with this ki d of stuff. So blame all the guys who shouted p2w premorrowind.