DIZZY - THE WORST CHANGE EVER

zDan

Dizzying Swing (morph): This morph no longer knocks the target back and stuns them, but instead sets them Off Balance for 7 seconds.

Goodbye ESO it was fun...

WildRaptorX

Don’t forget about my beloved scattershot

Canned_Apples

Bye, Felicia.

Crucified4sin

Sure, I can see it being upsetting.. but to leave the game over the change of a single skill.. c'mon brother that's a bit rash. (Now mentioning the multitude of problems eso has, on top of the dizzy nerf.. that would be more reasonable.) Lol

Casul

If I am correct every class has a stun now, so they obviously wanted to disconnect stuns and high damage abilities.

sharquez

Wow what a curve ball. I think this might be a change for the better were it not paired with a big carve nerf. We will have to see how it goes.

HowlKimchi

Stam Sorcs got promised class identity. Result: they get to be pet sorcs too, but their main spammable and CC is wrecked.

DOT nerfs is nice tho.

BaiterOfZergs

If we’re being honest no decent hitting skill should have a cc whether we like it or not.

Insco851

Dumbest change 2019... and there’s been some really questionable ones but this one REALLY takes the cake.

EcclesiaFides

This is what happens when the devs take skill names too literally. Now instead of stunning you just become 'dizzy' lol.

C'mon ZoS. Damage nerf was definitely needed (and 17% or whatever sounds about right), but why take the CC off too? And replace it with Off Balance????

Be consistent. Isn't it your 'policy' that CC skills have the trade off of lower damage? So why lower the damage on D. Swing and remove the CC too? Do you even listen to yourselves?

ccmedaddy

This was long overdue tbh. ZOS made it clear a while ago that they don't want a single skill to CC AND deal burst dmg at the same time, which is how skills like deep fissure and frags have lost their stun. It was only a matter of time that dizzy got the same treatment.

chrightt

All the 2h players crying a river. Looks like I'm just going to have to retire my ez stamDK. We've survived worse. They're just making the value of hard CC a lot more. Stam players didn't cry their eyes out when destructive reach turned into a PoS destructive clench. If Magicka players can survive that, I see no reason why stam players can't.

Next patch is basically a we-all-suck-a-lot patch. Feeeeeeeeelllllllllllls goo- I mean badddddddddddd.

Iskiab

Good change. Doing BGs today over half of my damage taken was dizzy swing, it was dumb.

SpiderCultist

in spite of being an overused and overpowered skill I don't get it

I mean, how are we going to stun our enemies? stuns are the killers

Heatnix90

Damage nerf + stun removal, imagine the incompetence needed to gut a staple skill.

Leave the damage nerf, bring back the stun.

Urzigurumash

I agree, the single worst change ever, but just because it's so fun to use, and for a brief glimmer of time, it's been effective, or even consistently usable, in PvP.

DucLIX

Best changer ever you mean?
ESO wasnt fun with it, it was just a bunch of stamina chars spamming you Dizzy, dizzy, dizzy, dizzy, and then you die, with 4 dizzy 7k each.

Urzigurumash

DucLIX wrote: »

Best changer ever you mean?
ESO wasnt fun with it, it was just a bunch of stamina chars spamming you Dizzy, dizzy, dizzy, dizzy, and then you die, with 4 dizzy 7k each.

That was because of the recent increase to damage and how much easier it is to land now. You were immune to the knockback and stun out of most of those swings, which is the thing this post is protesting

DucLIX

Even without the stun damage were absolutely stupid, combien it to an Onslaught, and you take 7k+ per 0.8 sec.

ZarkingFrued

zDan wrote: »

Dizzying Swing (morph): This morph no longer knocks the target back and stuns them, but instead sets them Off Balance for 7 seconds.

Goodbye ESO it was fun...

This is what I've been talking about in reference to the skill in PVP. DEAR ZOS, ILL BE CLEAR, AND EVEN TYPE IN ALL CAPS TO EMPHASIZE THE LEVEL OF TRIGGERED I AM. THERE IS AN ABUNDANCE OF PLAYERS WHO ONLY PLAY WITH THE DIZZY SWING STUN BUILD STYLE. THAT IS AND HAS BEEN THE GAME TO THEM FOR YEARS. YOU ARE TURNING YOUR BACKS ON THOSE PLAYERS. Personally, I'm not happy to see it, I've always loved to get on an old dizzy swing build and just have fun trying to land them. Great risk reward playstyle, and the very core of 2h Stamina builds. How are you doing this without having a serious discussion about why you're killing a playstyle that is massively popular with every stam player? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please ensure our thoughts on this change are heard. It's going to cause a mass exodus of very talented and fun players to leave this game.

crazywolfpusher

Good change. I like this idea of hard CC abilities not being able to do tons of damage at the same time.

ZarkingFrued

ccmedaddy wrote: »

This was long overdue tbh. ZOS made it clear a while ago that they don't want a single skill to CC AND deal burst dmg at the same time, which is how skills like deep fissure and frags have lost their stun. It was only a matter of time that dizzy got the same treatment.

Here is the issue in itself. I think Dizzy Swing lovers would be more interested if it functioned in any way like deep fissure and frags. Fissure can be loaded, and then exploded allowing you to combo. Frags gets an instant cast proc with the relevant morph. Dizzy however, has no set up, no way to make it worth slotting period in PTS. It's a very bland skill that gives off balance, a niche status effect.

MasterSpatula

"Worst change ever" is a pretty bold claim to make about any single change to ESO in 2019.

Urzigurumash

MasterSpatula wrote: »

"Worst change ever" is a pretty bold claim to make about any single change to ESO in 2019.

If you're somebody who was D Swinging a few minutes after setting foot in Auridon in 2015 and haven't really stopped, it is the worst change ever. It used to knockback on the base morph, so like @ZarkingFrued says, it is a major change to the main way some have played this game for a very long time.

Kadoin

Crucified4sin wrote: »

Sure, I can see it being upsetting.. but to leave the game over the change of a single skill.. c'mon brother that's a bit rash. (Now mentioning the multitude of problems eso has, on top of the dizzy nerf.. that would be more reasonable.) Lol

When a single skill is a crutch, its perfectly normal. You wouldn't keep walking on a broken leg without crutches would you?

Well, maybe if you had a wheelchair...

Vapirko

The noobs have done it again.

twitch_zero

As an ocx player who can't use it due to latency I basically don't care.

Alienoutlaw

i dont really see the issue looking forward to some of the changes on my warden and the off balance will be useful with cutting dive bleed effect

Vapirko

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

i dont really see the issue looking forward to some of the changes on my warden and the off balance will be useful with cutting dive bleed effect

well yeah lol, ranged off balance, 7 bleeds that are stackable, minor vulnerably. lol.

HowlKimchi

It lost its identity as a risky to use skill that deals good damage and CCs.

They changed how knockbacks worked in the same patch but removed it from a skill. Pretty funny. They could’ve just reduced the damage of the skill and kept the knockback. Or they could’ve made it a knockdown.

Calboy

This is the best change in the patch notes.