DIZZY - THE WORST CHANGE EVER

loyalhabsfan

The snipe spam is cheese because it's from range, often paired with cloak so there is no counter; especially during lag... you're being hit from a distance and you have no idea from what direction and they often all land at once. That is clearly an issue that I would agree with.

Dizzy requires up front melee combat and has a cast time that you can visibly see/avoid. If the buff to Dizzy's cast time is an issue, than reverse it or continue to tinker with it. The skill was fine for 5 years until the cast time was significantly reduced... so wouldn't the reasonable thing to do be change back/increase that cast time? Keeping it the same and nerfing the damage/cc is just another example of band-aids on band-aids to try to satisfy everyone. Also, if someone is just chasing you and spamming dizzy, that's pretty easy to counter man.

jadarock

loyalhabsfan wrote: »

The snipe spam is cheese because it's from range, often paired with cloak so there is no counter; especially during lag... you're being hit from a distance and you have no idea from what direction and they often all land at once. That is clearly an issue that I would agree with.

Dizzy requires up front melee combat and has a cast time that you can visibly see/avoid. If the buff to Dizzy's cast time is an issue, than reverse it or continue to tinker with it. The skill was fine for 5 years until the cast time was significantly reduced... so wouldn't the reasonable thing to do be change back/increase that cast time? Keeping it the same and nerfing the damage/cc is just another example of band-aids on band-aids to try to satisfy everyone. Also, if someone is just chasing you and spamming dizzy, that's pretty easy to counter man.

I agree with most everything except your last point.
Again I finished top 25ish on xbox na in cyrodiil before they nerfed dizzy. Dealing with it on a non killing build was not fun or "easy" at all.....

Fix it so it's an option but not the default op skill for every stam build 😉

loyalhabsfan

jadarock wrote: »

loyalhabsfan wrote: »

The snipe spam is cheese because it's from range, often paired with cloak so there is no counter; especially during lag... you're being hit from a distance and you have no idea from what direction and they often all land at once. That is clearly an issue that I would agree with.

Dizzy requires up front melee combat and has a cast time that you can visibly see/avoid. If the buff to Dizzy's cast time is an issue, than reverse it or continue to tinker with it. The skill was fine for 5 years until the cast time was significantly reduced... so wouldn't the reasonable thing to do be change back/increase that cast time? Keeping it the same and nerfing the damage/cc is just another example of band-aids on band-aids to try to satisfy everyone. Also, if someone is just chasing you and spamming dizzy, that's pretty easy to counter man.

I agree with most everything except your last point.
Again I finished top 25ish on xbox na in cyrodiil before they nerfed dizzy. Dealing with it on a non killing build was not fun or "easy" at all.....

Fix it so it's an option but not the default op skill for every stam build 😉

Glad we can agree on some fronts! I don't really put much value on leaderboards as they are often just associated to time played and not necessarily individual player skill, but that certainly does take some dedication and heavy group play.

I think what's important to remember is everyone has a weakness. If you're playing a healer/support role and shooting for high AP in group play, you may encounter some solo players or dps roles who target you and can pack you up rq. Not all of them, but it's fair to assume that some of them will getcha. I have the same mentality as a dps who targets healers lol, some of em I'll encounter where I'm like yeaaah, this isn't working... I'mma dip... where others are quick work. Part of building your toon is buying heavily into crit/strength of heals vs your own self defense... so pick your poison, ya know? If someone kills you a specific way, maybe considering that as your weak spot could replace blaming the game for your opponents strengths as issues needing to be nerfed.

jadarock

@loyalhabsfan
I wasnt pointing out how good I am or am not
I was giving it as a reference to time spent in live pvp where broken things tend to show themselves quickly and often.
For the record I wasnt shooting for high ap as i dont run in the top guilds or zerg but I can read a map and help hold a chokepoint on my troll-cro like a champ lol

Davadin

bump. just wanna say that with a little bit of practice, stunning folks with it is pretty consistent.

at least, for a stamDK, it's much better than spending 4k magicka on Fossilize........

MentalxHammer

Davadin wrote: »

bump. just wanna say that with a little bit of practice, stunning folks with it is pretty consistent.

at least, for a stamDK, it's much better than spending 4k magicka on Fossilize........

I agree off balance stuns are totally viable, however there is one thing that should be tweaked. Off balance should not be purgable, if you go through all the steps to debuff with off balance into a heavy attack then the stun needs to be reliable. If you're reading ZOS please consider this!

Mayrael

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

bump. just wanna say that with a little bit of practice, stunning folks with it is pretty consistent.

at least, for a stamDK, it's much better than spending 4k magicka on Fossilize........

I agree off balance stuns are totally viable, however there is one thing that should be tweaked. Off balance should not be purgable, if you go through all the steps to debuff with off balance into a heavy attack then the stun needs to be reliable. If you're reading ZOS please consider this!

Definitely, it should be like roll dodge fatigue.