DIZZY - THE WORST CHANGE EVER

Urzigurumash

evoniee wrote: »

destructive reach nerf, stam says no word.
dswing nerf, lose their minds.
OMEGALUL

Thing is D Swing has been bad since like late 2016 early 2017, it was finally good again. The other thing is Sword & Board's damage was greatly reduced, and there's many of us running 2h / s&b who need something that does single-target damage to full health opponents. Yeah Power Bash, you try it and see what you think.

NinchiTV

On the bright side, if you set up cp properly you will do 10% more dmg on the target while unbalanced. That means putting 75 points into thua when all these dots are getting nerf...so it might not be worth it. Also if you HA unbalanced it knocks em to the ground and your next DD ability hits 10% harder on top of the other 10%. Food for thought

evoniee

l2p and slot turn evil like dw or use HA into onslaught for that cheese.
the damage should be increased slightly.

mursie

stamblade - used cloak/surprise attack for stun or mass hysteria
stamdk - used the most OP stun in game instead - petrify
stamplar - used javelin for stun, which is getting buffed.

stamsorc - will likely need to rely on streak now for stun. change really hurts this class
stamden - will likely need to utilize snb stun or turn evil. change hurts but incoming buffs help a little
stamnecro - this class had almost zero identity for me personally already. of the 12 bar slots available, only 2 were class abilities (blastbones and spirit guardian). 2h and dswing was staple for this class that had no identity. The change will hit hard and not sure what the viable stun alternative is other than snb or turn evil.

mag is looking pretty good on the stuns. Vamp Drain is ridiculous. Alot of dmg and CC *cough*cough
magplars have javelin and topple
magsorcs have streak
magden and magcro both are perfect for vamp drain
magdk has the most OP stun in the game - petrify
magblade can cloak/conceal or mass hysteria.

BlackMadara

The new dizzy sets up a stun instead. You can stun with partial charged heavy attacks. So it'll go la- dizzy -> partial heavy (stun)-dizzy. Iirc you can also hide the ha charge behind the dizzy cast time. The stun will just be slower.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Most DPS have exploiter passive so you lose the CC but guarantee 7 seconds of increased damage from exploiter. I’m sure some classes will benefit from easier access to off balance+exploiter CP passive. For non CP though....idk what to tell ya. Lose lose there.

Abyssmol

Urzigurumash wrote: »

DucLIX wrote: »

Best changer ever you mean?
ESO wasnt fun with it, it was just a bunch of stamina chars spamming you Dizzy, dizzy, dizzy, dizzy, and then you die, with 4 dizzy 7k each.

That was because of the recent increase to damage and how much easier it is to land now. You were immune to the knockback and stun out of most of those swings, which is the thing this post is protesting

That is laughable...yes you are immune for the next 5 seconds and then stun again with a skill that hits for 5k to 6k in pvp. Why use any other skill. Damage plus stun, perfect!

Abyssmol

HaruKamui wrote: »

It lost its identity as a risky to use skill that deals good damage and CCs.

They changed how knockbacks worked in the same patch but removed it from a skill. Pretty funny. They could’ve just reduced the damage of the skill and kept the knockback. Or they could’ve made it a knockdown.

I keep hearing Dizzy needs a lot of damage and a stun because risky to use skill... tell me which skill is not risky to use. Have you hear of a gap closer?

Calboy

Dizzy now provides off balance, which gives an extra 10% damage from champion point passive. Onslaught ignore physical resistance so +10% is amazing for it.

Dizzy -> +10% onslaught -> execute - > goodnight, and feel free to throw in a fear or rune cage or fossilize if you want

usmguy1234

SodanTok

BlackMadara wrote: »

The new dizzy sets up a stun instead. You can stun with partial charged heavy attacks. So it'll go la- dizzy -> partial heavy (stun)-dizzy. Iirc you can also hide the ha charge behind the dizzy cast time. The stun will just be slower.

This part here seems to be mostly ignored in the hysteria. Sure its not same, but fact is anyone using dizzy has access to stun. So posts saying there are no CCs anymore or use this and that are mostly incorrect. Any successful hit with dizzy now opens 7s window where you can CC target on demand with 0.1s heavy attack channel. Its different way to play but still way to play.

Alfie2072

SodanTok wrote: »

BlackMadara wrote: »

The new dizzy sets up a stun instead. You can stun with partial charged heavy attacks. So it'll go la- dizzy -> partial heavy (stun)-dizzy. Iirc you can also hide the ha charge behind the dizzy cast time. The stun will just be slower.

This part here seems to be mostly ignored in the hysteria. Sure its not same, but fact is anyone using dizzy has access to stun. So posts saying there are no CCs anymore or use this and that are mostly incorrect. Any successful hit with dizzy now opens 7s window where you can CC target on demand with 0.1s heavy attack channel. Its different way to play but still way to play.

its a clunky way to play
also a 0.1s click for a heavy attack would just be a light attack, dont forget to factor in lag, the easy block (you feel a dswing hit, you literally know you are going to get stunned, enjoy blocking and kiting)

xselfish

Rip my DK Dunk.

Urzigurumash

SodanTok wrote: »

This part here seems to be mostly ignored in the hysteria. Sure its not same, but fact is anyone using dizzy has access to stun. So posts saying there are no CCs anymore or use this and that are mostly incorrect. Any successful hit with dizzy now opens 7s window where you can CC target on demand with 0.1s heavy attack channel. Its different way to play but still way to play.

7s window for the target to be cleansed, cast CC immunity, cloak or roll dodge away. Anyway you slice it it's less stunning. It might be a buff overall in CP with Exploiter, but I don't see how it's not a complete loss for No CP, other than making the Truth set quite strong.

Lord_Sando

Calboy wrote: »

Dizzy now provides off balance, which gives an extra 10% damage from champion point passive. Onslaught ignore physical resistance so +10% is amazing for it.

Dizzy -> +10% onslaught -> execute - > goodnight, and feel free to throw in a fear or rune cage or fossilize if you want

Good luck landing this out numbered. dizzy was already risky when out numbered this make it not wroth it.

but hey javelin got buffed to ignore resist so who cares.

Dottzgaming

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I both simultaneously laugh and cry every time I see this meme xD

chris25602

Idinuse wrote: »

zDan wrote: »

Dizzying Swing (morph): This morph no longer knocks the target back and stuns them, but instead sets them Off Balance for 7 seconds.

Goodbye ESO it was fun...

Said all Sorcs when knock-back was removed from Crystal Frags.

I don't think this could be overquoted ...

Emmagoldman

Iskiab wrote: »

Good change. Doing BGs today over half of my damage taken was dizzy swing, it was dumb.

Not trying to be mean but how? Dizzy has an obvious animation to its channel, and if they do manage to hit you, you can break free. It’s a skill that once you get some skill under your belt is pretty easy to “see it coming”

ZOS has this approach every patch in which they just throw everything out. It’s moronic at this point. If it is over performing, then do a slight dmg nerf. Why remove the cc and go in and hard nerf the dmg?

Juhasow

Dont worry guys You can now stun someone with heavy attack as dizzy will apply off balance

Juhasow

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Good change. Doing BGs today over half of my damage taken was dizzy swing, it was dumb.

Not trying to be mean but how? Dizzy has an obvious animation to its channel, and if they do manage to hit you, you can break free. It’s a skill that once you get some skill under your belt is pretty easy to “see it coming”

ZOS has this approach every patch in which they just throw everything out. It’s moronic at this point. If it is over performing, then do a slight dmg nerf. Why remove the cc and go in and hard nerf the dmg?

I dont have a time now but normally I would link some expectations vs reality meme.

Emmagoldman

Just to add, How is it this far in a games development and they need to make changes to a skill on this size? Shouldn’t we be at a point in which small changes are being made, not changing something that’s been there forever?

JusticeSouldier

zDan wrote: »

Dizzying Swing (morph): This morph no longer knocks the target back and stuns them, but instead sets them Off Balance for 7 seconds.

Goodbye ESO it was fun...

Especially with onslaught meta, dizzying in current form at Live shows itself as overpowered garbage.

if u weave it with short heavy attack done right after - it will be same effect but without knockback (with almost always broken breakfree).
It's extremly good change, I'm really glad they done it at least.
We forced to be more skillfull to use it - it's cool.

Rhaegar75

The bad: loss of a very significant skill

The good: some utterly crap PvPers who are used to press 2 buttons will have to learn to play. I know a few Stamden who are considering moving to hello kitty online

Conclusion? I don't know...maybe there was a less drastic change to consider

Fur_like_snow

It reminds me of how a NB needs to cloak->SA to get a stun off it’s like 1 1/2 GC just for a chance to stun barring a block, roll dodge or LOS. It might be a net gain in CP from exploiter but No CP is another story.

Vlad9425

Dizzying swing combo with Onslaught was very strong and if you had a DOT like poison Injection ticking it was basically game over for many builds. I'm guessing this is another nerf designed to cater to Noobs though.

JusticeSouldier

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Dizzying swing combo with Onslaught was very strong and if you had a DOT like poison Injection ticking it was basically game over for many builds. I'm guessing this is another nerf designed to cater to Noobs though.

it's a thing to make gap between skillful person and n00b bigger

TheUrbanWizard

Oh I don’t know, might find some use for that gold Truth gear in my bank

FearlessOne_2014

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Dizzying swing combo with Onslaught was very strong and if you had a DOT like poison Injection ticking it was basically game over for many builds. I'm guessing this is another nerf designed to cater to Noobs though.

it's a thing to make gap between skillful person and n00b bigger

Which I am happy with.

Wolfpaw

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

Oh I don’t know, might find some use for that gold Truth gear in my bank

Just finished farming jewelry & weapons today for my Warden,,..cutting dive spam inc.

SneaK

See a lot of people that clearly don’t understand how this is a terrible change. You thought being stunned from D Swing was annoying, well get ready for the unblockable stun spam/aoe fear meta on every stam class next patch.